So basically the same as MS, I said publishers wouldn't go for anything less. The only real difference is MS is making DRM easy for publishers and developers while sony is making them impliment their own version.

In the end used games on playstyaion and xbox is all but dead, cause let's face it used game sales are bad for us on the development side. I know the overstaturation and risk aversion are bigger problems but used sales still hurt us and now that that isn't an issue maybe publisher will actually tackle the bigger issues.

except is not basically the same. Its the same as it is on current consoles. Xbox went too far in requiring a 24 hour check-in system. Also the game industry has been around for a very long time, living side by side with used games.

good to see PS4 is not dictating DRM tho what the game pubs do is another thing. Looks like they learned their price lesson from the PS3 launch.

Statement from Sony now says Tretton was referring only to used games online.

The Online Pass stuff, apparently. So...not the same as MS. Again.

If EA says their game will have DRM on PS4 it will have it. So it's the same. One company has the balls and position to do it. While the other neither has the guts or the current stroke to do it. After the PSP PSP Go, the 3rd place PS3, and the failing Vita. Sony can't do anything that will have an bad effect on them. They need a win, and they need it bad! The real funny thing is the console that allows used games. Has the userbase that buys fewer of their exclusives new. Where Xbox owners consistently buy their games.

I was surprised at first because Sony did this with PS3 before MS. So saying they would implement no limitations on used games resell and such was very surprising. Personally, I think Tretton has no clue and is being informed what to say, when the decisions which are usually contrary to what he says are being made further atop.

Sony has clarified that Tretton was only talking about online games. Used single-player offline games will be able to run on the PS4 without publisher-based DRM:

http://www.gamefront.com/sony-third-party-drm-refers-to-playing-u
sed-games-online-only/

So, as a couple of people said above, it'll work the same way the PS3 works now.

EA eliminated is online passes and there was much rejoicing. We ALL know that EA is going to use some form of DRM (be it PS4 or xBone) to continue to charge gamers for the ability to play EA games.

EA stated that they were going to include micro transactions in all their upcoming games. APRIL FOOLS. The backlash was immediate and sever and they retracted that statement almost immediately with some PR bullshit about how it was only a consideration not something that was going to actually be implemented. The fact that it was even up for discussion should be a giant red flag for everyone involved. (e.g. deadspace 3)

Publishers claim that they are losing money to piracy. And they very well may be. So legitimate users have to put up with completely awful DRM schemes and get treated like criminals. Do the pirates have to endure the DRM? No. Why? because they removed it and are no longer bothered by its invasiveness. Stopping piracy is only half of the story though. the other half is about stopping third party sales (used game sales) so they do not loose out on any money. Publishers want TOTAL CONTROL.

So we are moving forward into always online. Big brother Microsoft is going to be checking in on you just to make sure you are playing nice. Lets face it. If a publisher asks sony to, I am sure they will say yes to that request.

What happens when a game does not sell well?
Oh, game sales were down because of piracy.
Games sales were down because of used game sales.
The game didn't do well because [insert bullshit excuse here].
At NO point do they take ownership and say "maybe the game wasn’t really that good."

Where are the conversations from publishers about how to offer their customers an exceptionally great gaming experience? This is not happening because they are too busy trying to answer to Wall Street and maximize their profits And that does not include giving 2 shits about their customers.

What the gaming industry really needs is to fail and fail big.
Will that be the end of gaming? Not by a long shot because from the ashes new developers and publisher will rise and maybe, just maybe they will actually respect gamers and treat them as valued customers instead of trying to milk them for every penny they can.

What Sony, Microsoft etc.. seem to forget is that in EU, the right to sell purchased digital products (even downloaded dlc's and addons) is permitted by EU law.

Sources:

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/c
p120094en.pdf
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118245-EU-Court-Legaliz
es-Selling-Used-Digital-Games

The more articles I see on this site the more I see a dramatic swing in MS support. It is almost like a company email was sent out to any Xbox Done dev saying please make good PR press - fast. Out of no where there are posters I haven't heard from ever on these articles posting in support of MS. It has to be a conspiracy.

I'm really disappointed, I was hoping this headline from IGN, not from Gamasutra, and while technically correct, you can see from the people commenting the impact you're having with this type of "news". Please, take into account those elements while coming with a new headline. Gotta admit it is the least sensationalist so far, but it still leads to confusion.

How there is such confusion over this is confounding. Sony's PS4 is open to ALL business models that a developer and/or publisher want to implement.

All this means is that when we are all Googling up information on our favorite games, we just have to check if DRM is on it and what type. It could be as simple as finding a review that takes into account that DRM IS a factor when considering the purchase of games.

Indie devs can self-publish on the PS4. Now ask yourself this... how many indies do you think are going to go crazy with DRM on the PS4? I guarantee 'DRM Free' will become a bullet point for games in this upcoming ecosystem. If indies flourish on the PS4 by the simple fact they aren't clogging up their fans' lives with DRM then Triple A's risk a chance of losing sales by the simple fact they are using DRM.

PS4 will allow DRM to become an exacerbated stigma that players like me will AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE. That squarely focuses my attention on games that I may not have given a chance.

Personally though I'm still working through Age of Wonders 1. I bet CD Red Projekt is laughing up a storm over all of this (I bought the game through GoG.com)

I thought this would be the case based on how they said it. So much "we won't do this," and "we won't do that." Totally left the door open to, "we wont do this at all... I don't know about those publishers though."