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Against his better judgement Johnny wades into the raging gender debate sparked by the #1reasonwhy hashtag.
although the "point is no less true", you can't compare segregation, genocide and stripping of rights to a mild sexism found on videogames.
Loved the show, good job Johnny!
I'm not entirely sure if I got the point of the video or the issue behind the hashtag that started it, but if this is about why there are so few women working in the industry, I think it has much less to do with sexism and discrimination than it has to do with interest. Even if video games are becoming more mainstream and less geeky than they were, there are still few girls who are interested in games. I'm studying game development in college and I can tell you the guy:girl ratio in the student body is pretty extreme
Soundaholic92 tell that to mechanic engineering or microbiology...
Soundaholic92 Very good point. I've been gaming for two and a half decades and the amount of female gamers around, both in real life and online are few and far between. This is why whenever a girl joins an online game all the guys go gaga over her because women in games are a rarity. Granted I'm talking about gamers instead of developers/publishers, but typically the majority of people in the gaming field are so because of their love for the genre, hence the same principle applies.
Of course with that in mind, in any male dominated profession, there will naturally be sexism, it goes with the territory. I've yet to work in a place where there isn't sexism of some sort, it's part of human nature and it is inescapable, however many rules and laws we have to curb said behavior. Naturally I hope it improves in gaming and elsewhere, but logically it is to be expected when joining a patriarchal, macho sub-culture. It's almost like complaining about sexism in the WWE....
As with any profession, it will take a long time for things to change, and chances are it probably won't until there are enough female gamers within the industry to make a noticeable difference. Slavery and segregation took centuries and then decades respectively to end, whereas sexism has been around since the dawn of mankind, so chances are it'll take awhile. It won't change until the few women who are in the industry make a stand to alter things for the betterment of their gender.
I thought I'd read the comments on this vid, see how people are mulling it over. I thought, maybe, the gaming community would listen to rational, moral argument for once.
Damn, I was wrong.
All the same, thanks Johnny for not being an a$$hole.
forcefactor13 There was no rational argument in this video. There wasn't even an argument.
So I don't know where that comment came from...
Slashless forcefactor13ar·gu·ment [ahr-gyuh-muh?nt] : an oral disagreement; verbal opposition
forcefactor13 Slashless the words could have been mixed up, don't be a dictionary freak because it isn't got anything to do with misunderstanding of a definition
hombreg1 forcefactor13 Slashless Dude, you need a dictionary and a grammar rule book. Also, there was an argument, clearly you should've been paying closer attention.
So I wonder if it was purposefully done that the gamespot video player brought up a bunch of DOA boobie videos in relation to this "poor female gamers' video. #1reasonwhy feminism fails.
Pretty sure Johnny's native american name would be 'Slanted Beard'. You should run a comb through that thing. Anyway, sexism is good, because sexists are honest about how they feel about women which then in turn gives you the opportunity to change their opinion with rational arguments. Sure, it's not fair that you have to prove your own worth to a bunch of bigoted strangers you owe nothing to, but this is the real world, not a Disney movie. You're not a special little princess and your white knight is just a hipster with a crummy beard. Good luck.
Oh and I forgot that you made the idiotic comparison between the English Anti-Catholicism burnings, and Slavery between this nonsense in the gaming industry. Are you serious?
I think this is funny. This was the problem with the first article. I was watching that last page because I had a problem with the manner in which these "women" ( That term isn't sexist is it? ) articulated themselves. The comments published by "women" provide no information, it WAS just whining. If the women published in the article expressed themselves in a persuasive manner the backlash would not have been so harsh. Now this clip is just more of the same, disregarding intelligent comments that were made, and demeaning anyone that disagreed with the issue. The people so heavily supporting this issue are totally discounting market share, demographics, consumer base, staying power, and brand loyalty. I have no problem with women in the gaming industry but to complain about things like " Women having boobs in armor." is ridiculous. If you gave Tomb Raider more...conservative, features would Tomb Raider have even been the success it was? If women want to work, design, play, and create in the video game industry that's great! However, video games are an escape, an escape overwhelmingly purchased by male consumers. My point being some of these in game subjects, such as boobs in armor only there to be, how did you so eloquently put it, "titalatious" should not be changed. For lack of a better example it would be like clothing the models in Playboy because men looking at nude women is sexist. Not only will you not hold the market that way, you will lose consumers to a medium that does have what the consumer wants. P.S. Sorry about the wall of text.
Evan21 "If you gave Tomb Raider more...conservative, features would Tomb Raider have even been the success it was?"
Uh that's a stupid hypothetical question, but I as a kid played Tomb Raider because it was one of the first 3D platformers (and a challenging one at that) with adventuring, exploration, and some combat. When you're playing Tomb Raider, you're seeing the perspective of the back of Lara Croft not from the front. You don't even see her breasts that much so if that's the one selling point they failed at delivering that!
digi_matrix Like you said as a kid, but I for one was old enough to realize the hype just because of her figure. Just because you either are not old enough to remember or realize doesn't mean it didn't happen.
digi_matrix "She appears almost invariably with brown shorts, boots and small backpack, a dark green or blue sleeveless top, holsters on both sides of her hip for dual wielded pistols. Over the course of the series, her 3D model has undergone gradual graphical improvements, as well as enlarged (and later reduced) breast size."
Yea this is straight from wiki even today. Her breasts are undeniably a trademark of the character. Funny, also in the article it states she was "the most successful video game heroine of all time." I wonder if the movies would have been so successful had they not cast the voluptuous Angelina Jolie, and instead went with someone with less sex appeal?
Evan21 digi_matrix to be honest, I've never really felt that sex appeal influences popularity in gaming. rumble roses's got boobies, yet it isn't a smashing-hit popular fighting game like SSBB...
hombreg1 Evan21 Exactly, it takes being in a good game to sell. X-Blades, BMXXX or whatever sexploitation game didn't sell because they were using sex appeal to hide shit games, and players are quick to notice that.
I love how seriously people take internet comments these days. Yes, he found some terrible comments about sexism on the internet.. But you can find terrible comments about ANYTHING on the internet. Occasionally people actually mean what they are saying, but most of the time they are simply spewing hyperbolic comments that are much more extreme than their actual beliefs. The other side of this that I find frustrating is that the media doesn't bother to make sure that sexist claims are legitimate before they turn them into headlines. The result? People get annoyed by everything getting blown out of proportion and eventually stop even paying attention to the subject as a whole. Then, when a legitimate case comes along that deserves some attention, nobody pays attention to it either.
tushwacker Well said.
Someone's had too much drugs this morning.
What the hell? Where's the Far Cry 3 one?
DiamondDM13
Simple. Gamespot screwed up again. Try again later on today.
blackwingzero DiamondDM13 apparently the editor messed up....
Is just me... or the Far Cry 3 special looks like the Women's Cry special from last week ?
where is the far cry episode
5000man Good question... hmm?
bad link gamespot...........
Wow! I loved the part where they mention the dudes in Gears of War, because it's exactly what comes to my mind whenever I see a "Gaming sexism" article. F*ck yes! You don't hear us scrawny armed nerds complaining about that do you!? Who is keeping this retarded subject alive? Go to hell.
MaxBlaze funny thing, they charge us with "insecurity" for keeping the female stereotype alive but even though we have stereotypes directed to men, they don't see us whine about them. they may call it power fantasy but the fact is that in the end, games tned to put TOO MUCH responsability on men rather than women. this leads me to think that the ones with "insecurity" issues are women, since they seem to mix up media based stereotypes with reality. PSD: Actually, from a biological, purely rational point of view , man's got it tougher when it comes to nature. In almost every species, males are required to prove themselves to ANY female. same thing happens with people, as a man, you've got the responsability of making women like you so that you can keep up the genetic heritage of your family. this means then that men that can't get woman to like them end up being biological failiures and as such, should skip the second to last step in the biologic cycle and die. women on the other side are just expected to act nicely and wait for someone... if they like that someone that is, which is overly "empowering" on their part.
I just noticed something funny: none of Gelugon_Baat's comments have gotten any likes (immature, I know, but had to say it) :P
contraigon Dude that guy is so ridiculous. Everyone that knows him on here can't stand him. The same comments day after day on EVERY page. He holds true to the "I know you are but what am I?" mentality. No one every likes anything he has to say. He is the epitome of troll.
@Evan21 Well, I'm about 99%sure she's a girl, but well said nonetheless.
Well, all I can reasonably say is this:The vast majority of people buying games are males. It shouldn't be surprising when the portrayal of characters are built to interest and appease that crowd.
As for sexism in the workplace for game developers, unless you have actual statistics for how the gaming industry compares to other industries, the only thing you have to go on are stereotypes that *might* be based on some truth, or how characters are portrayed in their games, which as I've already indicated, are slanted more toward what sells. If we view the industry through these slanted glasses, of course we see them as sexist. But that's not the same as verifiable statistics, is it?
Marscaleb YES YES FINALLY a common sense approach! Good for you! This has been my argument the whole time!
LMAO the accents from the comments~!!! xD
There's a meme about this: "I can't believe we still have to protest this s***". Fact of the matter is both men and women seek employment to pay bills. This is what separates the developed nations from the oppressive, dictatorial regimes of developing nations. Whomever designs, writes, spawns a video game doesn't matter. Whether it's marketable or provides the publisher with good revenue does. Yay capitalism! Gender plays little role in character design. Imagination does. That is not a gender-specific trait. The cloak of Internet anonymity has just allowed for the abrasive, caustic comments to exist and help perpetuate archaic beliefs. Respect and courtesy provide universal benefits to all.
PuffinGod After reading through your unnecessarily pretentious comment, I don't believe you were able to grasp what is upsetting the majority of the people commenting. It's not about women in the gaming industry it about changing some aspects of the gaming industry that they have grown to love.
vieri_hornray Oh, you double-post too. Hey, you can post as much as you like - but there are people who are wise enough to know that you are spouting drivel.
Gelugon_baat Weasel and Drivel, you done nagging? Try disproving my points instead of your weasel drivel for once, like that would give your post any more credibility lmao. I have given you statistical facts, you have given us nothing but weasel drivel, Christ, you women sure can go at it with your pointless redundancy. Further proving my point, that most women are all talk, which is what your predominated occupation points to, all talk little function. So keep consuming the products we men created for you, lets just hope redundancy don't drag our economy down the gutters or all your hard earned, ahem god given comforts and rights may one day be taken away from you should the nightmare occur, remember what is good for the advancement of our society, i.e recognizing and supporting our intellectually inventive men behind the scenes who are constantly innovating new products and sustaining our economy, are far more crucial that your limited mindset of feminist rights. At the end of the day men are always the advancement of our civilization just as it has been since the subset of humankind, and women are equally as important in making sure that humanity survive with their childbearing abilities, and nurturing skills and crucial support to fill out certain sectors of our economy unable to be taken up by men, they make up the numbers in manpower, and that is equally crucial despite their lack of inventive abilities, take it for what you will, women and men are never the same and never will be.
vieri_hornray That's a lot of narcissistic ranting and delusions.
Also, I am not seeing any facts - just a lot of weasel words and irrelevant cherry-picking.
contraigon
Gelugon_baat contraigon Rinse and repeat babeh.
vieri_hornray The same can be said about you.
Babeh you are always following my lead in rhetorics, but I admit I stole your one liners.
Gelugon_baat I've noticed that instead of making valid arguments, you have simply insulted all of the fairly strong points against feminism and patted yourself on the back for the vast political knowledge you allegedly posses. The only real argument I've seen is you mentioning that a woman invented kevlar, which was somewhat pointless, considering the point you were arguing against was simply that men create MOST, not all, inventions.
contraigon "Fairly strong"? No, they are just "points" that are borne from narcissism and insecurity, and with very little hard facts.
What's pointless is someone else - someone else that you agree with - brought up the issue of inventions in the first place. That's just adding to the noise - just like you had when you brought up the matter of the human anatomy.
So much noise.
Gelugon_baat Thank you for proving my point.
contraigon If your point is that you are a narcissistic person that sees only one side of the issue and thinks that everyone else is wrong, then it's proven alright.
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