The Evolutions & Constants of Final Fantasy

Dear Jonathan Toyad, 

I have almost completed ff13-2, just had no reason to rush out and buy it at release, instead waited till December 2012 and got it for 9$.

You know, it really is not a matter of linearity or open sand box style of play, team size, or whether the hero is male or female. Like it has been said so many times before it is all about the story. Take FF12, I really can not remember who was the main protagonist or bad guy or even why they were questing to begin with. Shame to ff12 had the best combat system, to me anyways. 

In ff13 I loved the characters, the art style, and voice acting alot- but the convoluted plot, the lack of a threatening enemy left the game forgettable, and hard to keep playing. 

Do you remember a game called Suikoden 2 and Wild Arms also. Now that was some story telling. The main hero could have easily been a guy created by the story which you followed or a person you put your own self in and played. The bad guy was loved, hated, feared, sympathetic, and cool all at the same time in Sui 2. 

Square Enix still puts out the production values better then any other Japan based studio, but like you mentioned they are starting to use it as a crutch. Linear story telling has to be done more because you cannot have thousand of hours of voice work trying to predict all the actions of a gamer. Set pieces and production costs so much they can only add in what the player has to play, not some remote village that has no part of the story in it. 

Skies of Arcadia allowed tons of exploration but you could only go so far before needing to advance the story. 

ALL, I mean ALL rpg games need to give you that feeling of awe and wonder through a child's eyes of seeing a world not of their own for the first time. Take GRANDIA - while the adventure and environments were nothing new to old school rpg gamers - it was all new and wondrous to the characters - and that is what made it. 

I played a weak combat/production game called Alundra but still remember the story and the characters reaction to the story. 

It is impossible to make everyone happy since so many more people who play JRPG's are those who have played them so many times before.  But there is one thing that all of us will agree - as long as the story is strong and engaging - everything else can be debated as what can be done better- not what made the game go wrong. 

A constant? Well, it's been an awesome series sine 1987. I 'd called that pretty constant.

First, Squall For The Winner!

Second, Jonathan you're funny!! But fix the wires in your tee-shirt! You're such a mess! :D

i have played and finished XII,X,X-2,VII,XIII,VI.VI and VIII(maybe XII too) were the best 

Final Fantasy X showed that so called linearity isn't a bad thing - but that was because they had fantastic story, a magnificent sidegame, great music, a wonderful battle system, deep and likeable characters, graphics that caught your eye and didn't let go, and a setting which was both relatable and fresh,

Final Fantasy XIII wasn't horrific because it was linear, but rather because it didn't have a story, sidegame, its music was mediocre, its battle system was down right atrocious, its characters barely registered, and when they did they tended to be irritating, the graphics were detailed but soulless, and I can't remember anything of consequence about the setting. The best that can be said for it is it was all flash and no substance.

The main thing is the story and gameplay, though. All the FF greats (for me the best three were 6, 7, and 10) had an engrossing story, and stellar gameplay. That's what FF has to return to: 12 wasn't bad, but it was let down by the battle mechanics and a story which felt like a bit more could have been made from it.

13 should simply be held up as a shining example of what not to do.

Really enjoying these videos, but with that last comment he might as well have said:

"So what about it guys? Do you wish for a return to quality storytelling, complex characters and nonlinear gameplay?"

Since Square-Enix seems genuinely not to know the answer to this I will say yes. Yes, I do indeed, sir.

Started playing the FF series with FFIX. It still remains my favorite. But FFX comes in a close second. My brothers all say FFIII was the best of the them all but I have yet to try it. As for my experience with the later games I was very dissapointed in FFXII on account of the poor story. It started out well enough and it had some great characters. But it felt lacking in the end, no mind blowing twist. I felt the game was only half ended when I actually finished it. FFXIII had the same issue even worse. Along with a story that felt unfinished was a linear plot, lvling system, and world that beame monotonous and took away one of FF's major strengths in world exploration. FFXIII did have good characters more or less, I liked Lightning, Snow, and Fang a lot. But it needed a character like Auron (mysterious mentor and leader) in it to balance it out better.

As for gameplay, I loved FFX the most with the idea of switching the characters in and out as needed. You were never thinking 'I wish I would have put this guy in' or 'Dang, I need to lvl this persons abilities more.' I was fine the the experimentation in FFXII and FFXIII with the idea of real time battles instead of turn based. But FFXII kinda just turned into a confusing mess of blue, red, and green lines that took away from the battle itself. FFXIII was much better but camera angles got very confusing at times.

After FFXIII I was getting a bit worried SquareEnix had lost it's touch with what made Final Fantasy games so special. Deep story, engaging battle system that made you think tactics, versatile characters and relationships between them that delved deep into the story itself, and a villain you loved to hate. But with the release of FFXIII-2 my hope was kindled again. I loved the story, extremely engaging. The battle system was much much better and felt like it still had a bit of the FFVII and FFIX touch to it while still keeping the innovation of FFXIII. I enjoyed how both Sarah and Noel played so well into the story and were central to what happened in the world. The time travelling element, though inconsistent at times, brought back the feel of open world exploration that was missing in FFXIII. And I especially loved Caius as the anatogonist.

Now I'm not saying FFXIII-2 was a return to glory, it wasn't, but it surely seemed to point in that direction. I am definitely hoping for a FFXIII-3 that brings everything full circle.

Last note is the fact that the one area where all the FF's have never failed are the amazing graphics and wonderous cutscenes.

I miss the sandbox like style of the previous Final Fantasy games.  Bring that back please.  FFVI for the snes was my first FF game and that game will always be the best in my eyes. When FFVII came out I loved the hell out of it but I felt it took alot from FFVI, like for instance instead of espers it was the cetra(Ancients), and so on and so on.  FFIX makes honorable mentions.  FFVIII had a great interesting world to explore, and especially liked the side story of Laguna.  Wish they would write a novel based on Lagunas Travels.  Anyways, bring back the sandbox style of the previous FF games.

FF13, the only final fantasy game that I didn't finish. Got too boring and stopped playing it half way. What's happening to the series.

FFVII to FFX are the best in my opinion..well except now thou..

After FF10, every final fantasy has been crap. I miss the turn based fighting system, the open world exploration, the amazing graphics and storyline. Ever since squaresoft became square enix, the franchise has never been the same. 

To respond to the question 'should the changes be welcomed, or the old ways reborn?' (or something to that effect).. I think there needs to be a change in the Final Fantasy name with these newer games. It no longer looks or feels anything like a FF from before VII. I've been around since FF1 was first brought to the NES everything has changed so drastically that I almost feel like I may have given the newer games a fighting chance if they had gone under a different name. I say that because FF has already been etched in my mind in a specific and profound way. The newer games take away from those great experiences and memories rather than enhance them. 

There used to be a time where Limit Breaks really brings ease to defeating UBER-HP Bosses.. 

I don't agree with everything you say but have watched a couple of your vids and have really enjoyed them. Great stuff Jonathan.

Oh where did FF had gone

Ugh FFX theme song gave me goosebumps... so many good memory's

can anyone tell me why youtube and videos not working in firefox ???

Final Fantasy is just a brand. Everyone of importance who worked on the classics left Square during or shortly after the merger. What I would love is for Mistwalker or Monolith Studios to put out another expansive 16-bit jrpg with all the same attention to design, story, and music that the old Squaresoft teams are capable of.

FF1-10 best games all this new crap is garbage nuff said

his accent's freakin difficult to understand.

I have only played from FFX onwards and still feel that FFX is the best. Not only in story-telling and character development (as well as having awesome characters like Kimahri), but also the combat system and other meta-games such as Blitzball.

FFX-2's fighting system (the semi-real-time battles), excluding the silly dress-spheres is probably the best system I have seen. I couldn't get into FFXII, and FFXIII's fighting engine was a simplified and dumbed-down version of FFX-2.

I think a nice blend between FFX and FFX-2 would be the best kind of fighting system. And I think there needs to be more asian themes (like in FFX) in future FF games - most seem to be based on Euro.

FInal Fantasy was a well renowned and worshipped series ever since the days of VI, VII and VIII....after that we are seeing a decline....not in the way that its completely bad but in a way that there are mixed opinions on the new games especially XIII....XIII brought a complete change and had the greatest graphics 4 a Final Fantasy game to date but what caused the mixed opinions is the story and battle system...As for Versus XIII, it doesnt even look like one but that cant be a bad thing since its putting in the action RPG style of Kingdom Hearts and that really is a great thing in my opinion...its about time the series took some initiative in the action RPG line...bottom line is, gone are the days of the old series, change is what we really need even though we dont realize it.....best example is Call of Duty...u can see how the fans h8 the news CODs due to the same things repainted and pasted...

I love the FF series! Well,all but the recent two,I think they should be more like the older games;however, you can't fault them for trying something new. That said, I saw a playthrough demo on YouTube of ff Versus, and thought, ''this does'nt look like a FF game!'',but it's still in the making so mabe they'll fix the combat,mabe I'm the one who cares about that,as oppose to the more flashy,here today,gone tomorrow games,that this ff Versus looks like it's headed;hopefully we see it in this century!

The games were best before they became 3D in my opinion. IV is my favorite, but I do think that V and III are very under appreciated. Every game after VI was okay, but not as good as the classics on the NES/SNES. I've always been under the opinion that the 16 bit era was also the golden age for RPG's.

I think Square Enix did well to release FF Dimensions recently so gamers can re-live the "traditional" style Final Fantasy.  For a series that spans 14 iterations (excluding spin-offs) I think it is nice to have some variety, for better or worse.  Can't wait to see what they will do in Lightning Returns.

im in love with Final Fantasy ^.^ 

Now that I'm thinking about, where the hell is my FFX HD?! C'mon, Square. If it's just a remaster it shouldn't be taking this long....

VI is my fav, had a great story with interesting characters all wrapped up with a crazy clown lol. The past games were good, i still remember playing IX (My first FF) then going backwards but over time other series have copied the FF type for other games such as the Suikoden games. It does have to evolve with the times but while i like XIII the linier gameplay was annoying, we wanna return to some places to look for missed items or just look around for the hell of it. Ive played all offline FF games (1-10, 12 and 13, online doesnt interest me) and each was unique in its own way. I just hope that they start seperating the online games from offline (Instead of 14, give it some subtitle like the Wii titles...)

i liked final fantasy xiii, i dont where does all that hate come from. and personally, i think FFX is the best one so far. storytelling and graphics are mainly why i was so into final fantasy in the first place so i dont get why you guys hate xiii so much...

Look folks, old FF games are nice, but the series can't just stay that way. When it comes to turn-based combat, casuals aren't gonna like it that much cause it gets stale, and on top of that, it isn't competitive like Pokemon is. So yea, new direction needed to keep FF on the map. I would have preferred if they kept things similar to XII with the freedom, hunts. and customization, but that's just me (spent a good 60 hours on that game...failed to unlock only 1 thing Q_Q). Still, the absolute WORST thing they could do is go backwards to full-blown turn-based combat.

How do you see, dude?

Final Fantasy VIII is my personal favorite, for some reason it has the perfect mix of storytelling and gameplay. Every garden needs good seeds.

In my opinion and i mean in my opinion i still think that versus can save the series from the disaster its at by the hands of XIII.

Final Fantasy lX is my personal favorite, followed by Vl and V. 

The latest games to the series have been a pretty big disappointment to me but it still hasn't stopped me from playing them and getting an enjoyment out of them. I can't say they were at all memorable games to me, but still something worth playing. It may not be on the same level of what FF lX or Vl put off on the scale of greatness or replayability but something a fan shouldn't miss.