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[+] i wonder what it would be like if DH got a job abroad (non-western country) where mid... 16 replies
- but if you are going to try to raise them in a neurotic, NYC fashion- you'll just be spinning your wheels. There's no such thing as food allergies, car seats, play dates, etc. You do get to spend a ton of time with your kids though and can feel free to bring them everywhere with you since it is such a family-friendly part of...
Talk : : June 04, 2009
i wonder what it would be like if DH got a job abroad (non-western country) where middle class people have domestic help, just to get us through the rough childhood years. we have a toddler and want to have another DB but have little money, no family help and we're not spring chickens anymore. our NYC friends are childless so we never see them anymore. It's so hard already with demanding jobs and no help. what do we have to lose?
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.04.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag ]-
ummm, clearly we want another DC or we wouldn't be talking about this....
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^any moms from india on? DH has a prospect there, small southern coastal city, nice salary.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Mom from India. Try Singapore if you can. All the benefits, and you have less of a culture adjustment and many many ex-pats there to make your life as easy.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 11:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]aren't jobs over there more likely to be for UMC professionals? OP- what does dh do?
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 11:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]M from I, is that a question from op or to op? Jobs in India OR Singapore are going to be mostly UMC professionals. Most likely the jobs will be similar, pay will be similar and the companies that make you an ex-pat (which you should prefer and try to get) are the same. The difference is in the cultural adjustment required, safety, stability etc. India is a good gig for the young and for homesick Indians. There is a huge cultural component to it. Singapore is much more of a universal work culture and very suitable to anyone with kids.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: DH's salary would be $150k. I'm assuming that's princely and we could afford a full time domestic for a few years and save some $? we wouldn't be staying long enough to worry about school....and no, i've never been to india but grew up in an indian community, childhood best friend was indian etc and always very drawn to the culture.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]$150K is definitely not middle class. Even in the new India of bankers and top managers in technology firms, it's still quite good. That would put you squarely in the very upper class, especially in a small coastal town in the South (btw, I love Kerala, if it's there that you are going). With the exception of Mumbai and possibly Delhi, $150K goes quite far.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Have you have ever been to India? The life of the middle class is *truly* hard and very much on a budget. They may have a maid for a few hours, but they'd be carefully looking at every rupie that they spend. I think you are referring to the UMC, or even more correctly, to the upper class. So unless your husband's offer is comparable to that of an expat, you'd be worse off. Also public schools of any quality are non existent and the competition for the good private ones is absolutely insane (NYC pales by comparison). Go and spend some time there before you make such a move.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 03:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"to get us through the rough childhood years"... I don't understand this statement.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 03:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: i mean the baby/toddler part. having two at a time, no help, living in NYC, working your ass off. rough.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]we're expecting our second in january, first is 22 mo old, and we have nobody here to help. we do have kind neighbours and a good sitter, but no family and that makes a big difference. i can see the draw of going somewhere where you can get help, but if not don't despair...you CAN do it on your own. first year will be tough but not impossible :)
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Just moved back from South Asia where we had a driver, a chef and a houseboy (who did the grocery shopping and cleaning). Other families had full-time nannies. It may sound like a dream, but it is not for everyone. If you are flexible about your children, it
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but if you are going to try to raise them in a neurotic, NYC fashion- you'll just be spinning your wheels. There's no such thing as food allergies, car seats, play dates, etc. You do get to spend a ton of time with your kids though and can feel free to bring them everywhere with you since it is such a family-friendly part of the world.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
A friend of mine did that. Moved to Singapore for three years. Absolutely loved it! When through major withdrawl when they had to come back.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 03:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sounds like a fantastic idea, and the schools are great.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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[+] My 22 month old dd has to have a blood test tomorrow because they feel like she may b... 3 replies
Talk : : June 03, 2009
My 22 month old dd has to have a blood test tomorrow because they feel like she may be allergic to cats and we have 2. They said they would run the whole childhood allergy panel and childhood allergy food panel depending on how much blood they can get. Does anyone know how much blood they need and how long dh will have to hold dd while they are taking blood from her arm? I am dreading it!!!
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.03.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag ]probably a few seconds maybe ten seconds. it
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's quick and they use a butterfly needle. My dd loved that it was shaped like a butterfly. Got her mind off of the needle. Bring some great band-aids..her fav. characters
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]don't tell you child about it until it's about to happen and don't make a big deal about it. it's much worse trying to draw blood from an older kid.
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[+] i have been eating like the biggest pig laterly - pizza, cookies - the whole thing. ... 7 replies
- cut out junk, sugar and white flour. That pretty much eliminates all the "bad" foods that are so readily available and easy to overindulge on. I do this for 5...products, you will feel much better. Generally, women do not tolerate wheat, and form allergy/addiction to it....
- just eat like a normal person. binging on junk food and then "cleansing" is ridiculous. just get back on track with a normal,...
Talk : : June 03, 2009
i have been eating like the biggest pig laterly - pizza, cookies - the whole thing. i feel so gross and bloated. i am considering doing a meal replacement diet for a few days to get back on track. usually i am really healthy and work out at least 3 times per week. i just need to clense my system. stupid idea?
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.03.09, 07:47 AM [ Flag ]I don't believe in "cleanses" or buying/making weird concoctions, but I have found it useful to cut out junk, sugar and white flour. That pretty much eliminates all the "bad" foods that are so readily available and easy to overindulge on. I do this for 5 days or a week and find it lessens the cravings
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 08:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree, try cutting out ALL bread and wheat products, you will feel much better. Generally, women do not tolerate wheat, and form allergy/addiction to it.
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np I think you're right. And when I don't eat wheat, I eat WAY less of everything else.
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Eh, I really don't believe that whole wheat is bad for me, sorry, nor does it get me craving other carbs. I eliminate white flour just because it eliminates so many of the tempting, available options and forces me to think out my choices a little better.
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I found the cabbage soup diet a great way to get back on track.
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]just eat like a normal person. binging on junk food and then "cleansing" is ridiculous. just get back on track with a normal, sustainable diet.
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know that she is suggesting that this would become her way of life. I did the 10 day lemonade thing and it was a great kick-start. For some it easier to get back on track eating healthfully by taking a drastic step.
[ Reply | Options ]06.03.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] For those of you who have dcs with food allergies, how often do you go to the allergi... 2 replies
Talk : : June 02, 2009
For those of you who have dcs with food allergies, how often do you go to the allergist for checkups? Our allergist suggests every 6 months, but I hate to subject my dc to those skin prick tests.
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.02.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag ]our allergist doesn't do the prick test. little drops of liquid. no big deal. dd loves going.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]don't they then prick the skin after putting the drops of liquid? that's what our allergist does.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 07:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Enlighten me: pls. provide example of a "Helicopter Mom." If it's what I think, I co... 73 replies
- I'm a vegetarian but I would never try to force so many food restraints on a dc. She is totally setting herself up for the...
- my child has serious peanut allergies---i am v/vigilant w/food in all facets of life; are you considering me a helo, too...
- Some of us are very sensitive to kids' allergies and never let our kids eat near other kids we don't know. I know one allergy mom who's always around at snack time, but absent when her...
Talk : : June 01, 2009
Enlighten me: pls. provide example of a "Helicopter Mom." If it's what I think, I could perhaps---unknowingly---be committing this mortal sin. Please give specific example of this grave error in judgement.
73 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.01.09, 06:00 PM [ Flag ]It's a mom who follows her kids around on playground equipment, who is obsessed with what the kid eats/drinks, who flips out if their child gets hurt, bugs teachers if dc is not getting all As, believes that dc is never at fault, is overinvolved in their lives, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OK, so in the playground I should watch db from afar? And ignore all the scenarios of an amber alert after kidnapper grabs my db and runs faster than I can?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. Let them just play. As long as you can see them, it's fine. The chances of a stranger abduction are slim to none. My kids are allowed to play alone in the yard (gasp), and can go pretty far away from me. It helps teach them boundaries.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you in NYC? do you have any idea the number of pedophiles who walk among us?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np - I live in NYC and I don't think that the parks we frequent in the UWS allow adults unless they are accompanying kids. But if you are OP, sounds like you didn't come for answers, but to justify your being a helicopter mom. If that's the case, there is no way anyone is convincing you to do what you have decided its the best way to parent.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NYC law - all adults on a city playground must be accompanied by a child under 12. Someone questioned my FIL while he was sitting on a bench in a Central Park playground doing a crossword puzzle while MIL had DD in a swing.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you kidding me? Who questioned him---surely not a NYC cop. Was it the guy in the green Parks Dept. outfit with a rake in his hand?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No - it was a mother. FIL hadn't shaved in a few days, was wearing a paint-splattered sweatshirt and looked pretty grubby. He told me that he explained that he was there with his granddaughter, pointed her out and showed her the diaper bag sitting next to him. He's pretty thick skinned and didn't get offended. FWIW, according to a friend of mine in the DAs office, a few of those "Parks Dep't" guys you think aren't working are actually cops.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]cool, glad to hear that bc i've often thought how screwed i'd be if i ever needed their help.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I wish sometimes i had the nerve to say that to someone suspicious looking in a playground. but, most times i don't. creeps me out, though
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I do it all the time. are you kidding?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, i'm not. i think a lot of people look strange, particularly in this city. it'd be just my luck i would pick out the poor unshaven gramps just doing his crossword puzzle for me to cry "wolf" on.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you do it all the time? maybe you should find a new playground that isn't populated by suspicious individuals
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You really ask solo people all the time to identify there child? I cry false! Unless you want to tell us that you look to strike up a conversation with men in playgrounds, b/c that's who you mean, right?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No one has ever asked this question of a woman---only a man.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was asked if I was accompanying a child in an uptown playground(by a father), and am most assuredly, a woman. I've done this to men and women alike, over a couple of decades(I've cared for many kids-my own, relatives' and their friends), but not as a preemptive strike. We do need to watch our kids and their surroundings, but I've spent years "ducking the rotors" of helicopter caregivers. I'm often stunned when I read about nannies sitting on their behinds; I mean, if kids are at a playground I'd hope there's real work they're doing: developing confidence, autonomy and socializing.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]btw-most parents I know have done their 'recon' by trial, choosing playgrounds with regulars, limited entrances/exits, high fences if very spacious parks and planting themselves with as good a panoramic view, as possible. Ime, the worst helis are visiting grandparents; Even our kids understand what we refer to as "the grandparent bubble". The best we can do is try to set examples and hope they'll chill.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]logical since overwhelming majority of child predators are male.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
far fewer than you think there are. Anyway when was the last time you heard of a mom chasing a kidnapper? I've never heard of it. They look for targets that they won't get caught
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]okay, okay. so it's a constant worry and a recurring nightmare. tell me in your most vulnerable hour you don't worry about some obscure sh*t happening to your child.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]of course, but you can't let it interfere with your child's development. They need far more freedom than we give them to learn to make wise decisions. If we are always there to protect them, then they don't learn on their own. It's scary, but it's good for them
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank god that finally someone admitted to it being a scary thing for a kid to run off on his/her own! I think the "helicopter moms" are the ones setting protocol for how other Moms should behave!
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it's scary because of all the stories we hear, but in reality our kids are much safer than we think. Here's a great article: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/05/04/free_range_kids/index.html
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you'd better get over this eventually, because when your kid is 11, her/his contemporaries are going to be going to school alone on the bus/subway...and it only gets worse from there. your job is to teach your kid to be independent. You can't do that by being a helicopter mom. it's hard, but it's reality
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes. And they know that they can't get away with just grabbing a kid off a playground. There are too many adults watching the kids and just enough cops (uniformed and plainclothes) to keep them away. The ones who have real relationship with your DCs are the ones to worry about. Most kidnappers are relatives and most pedophiles know their victims.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA you have to keep a watch, not in NYC was at a children's museum and a man tried to enter by himself, looked totally shifty, he and the manager spoke, and he ended up walking around with an employee, but still you have to question his motives. and all this coverage of that boy etan's disappearance is heartbreaking
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not that it makes it any less scary, but that was over 20 years ago AND a SIX year old was walking to a bus stop himself.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It depends on how old they are. New walkers need more supervision/assistance than 5 y/o's. DC will be fine as long as you can see them and they can hear your voice. Stranger kidnappings off a NYC playground are way, way too risky to try and DCs need to learn some independence.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh my God - you are a freak! Perhaps ignore all the scenarios of putting your kid in a car and some carjacker puts a gun to your head.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I remember seeing a segment on a news magazine show years ago. The mom had children away at college and had their class schedules. She would call to wake them up every morning. Call after each class. Call to remind them it was time for their next class. Help write papers for their classes. Just way too involved.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Also, parents of kids with SN cannot just let them play completely unattended on the playground in NYC. These kids often have poor safety awareness and cannot read social cues, may get upset if another child grabs a swing or a toy in the sandbox. Be careful with using that label on the parent if you do not know the child...
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you! just think its a harsh label when you really don't know the full picture sometimes
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
shlepping your 12 year old to the gym and leaving him/her in the daycare with the babies on a saturday morning instead of trusting them at home, during day light hours, for an hour and a half
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. Do you know someone who did that?!
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG, my babysitter for my 3yo is 11. what a contrast!
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my boss's kid was a sophmore at oberlin and still faxed papers home for a proof read
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So, my gf who only allows organic and insists her 4yo ds "dislikes" meat, milk, eggs, cheese, etc, etc, etc. is by definition a "helicopter" nutrition Mom?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]goodness, I'm a vegetarian but I would never try to force so many food restraints on a dc. She is totally setting herself up for the child to become addicted to McDonalds as a teenager as a form of rebellion.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's what i think, but she is not receptive to hearing this. she'll have to deal with that when the time comes.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Moms that do every homework assignment with their kids, get involved in kids' social dynamics constantly, and don't allow their kids to make mistakes and learn for themselves. The Moms whose kids will call them from college and be pathetic enough to ask them what classes to take, what to major in.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ooops. I must be the anti-thesis of a helicopter mom. DC is a nervous kid and I rarely pick him up when he falls or wants to be picked up (is 2yo). In my defense, I'm very pregnant. So I'm the one sitting on the park bench while DS is running around the park and coming to me every 10mins to update me on which piece of park equipment he is currently playing on.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh, so it's your kid i'm picking up and breaking up the spat with when i'm chasing my kid around. thanks alot, lady.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 06:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No way my kid gets in fights. Did I mention he was the nervous sort? If he did pick a fight, I think DH and I would actually feel proud of him. As it is, the last time I arranged a playdate he sat on my lap for 1/2 the playdate because the visiting kid enthusiastically shoved (hugged) him on arrival!
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]back off, moron
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]who are you referring to as a moron?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My toddler has physical disabilities but not so bad as to be obvious, I have to shadow dc because of frequent falls and I know others must think of me as helicopter mom, don't be so judgmental of others!!
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]right on. amen. ptl
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is ptl?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]praise the lord, pass the loot, whatever
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Hmm, am I a helicopter mom if I am following my 19 mo around the playground since she doesn't know what will kill her
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here: that's exactly what i'm saying. i just think there's a finer line than the average UB schmo would have you believe between a "helicopter mom" and a loving, caring, and god forbid---protective---mom.
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is there at your playground that will kill your 19 mo that requires you to stand over her?
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 05:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ladders and stairs!
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What are you afraid will kill her?
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Actually, I should have said this: ladders, stairs, those gaps in the play equipment that you can walk right off of, and children flinging toys down the slides. Sorry. Any mom who isn't pretty close to her 19mo child on five or six foot high play equipment is acting pretty dumb in my book.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 10:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm a helicopter mom on the playground with my 22 mo since i know the equipment is not necessarily designed for children her age. so i stay within range in case there's a fall. otherwise i keep an eye on her from a short distance and that distance will increase as she gets older and can handle monkeying around the place on her own.
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am a helicopter mom at the playground cuz my son gets pushed around.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe it's b/c his mommy fights his battles
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So the gal who leaves her 18mo at home with a baby monitor only on a Saturday night would be disqualified?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my child has serious peanut allergies---i am v/vigilant w/food in all facets of life; are you considering me a helo, too?
[ Reply | Options ]06.01.09, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Some of us are very sensitive to kids' allergies and never let our kids eat near other kids we don't know. I know one allergy mom who's always around at snack time, but absent when her child(Big for her age with SERIOUS physical impulse issues)is leveling an innocent bystander! That one should hover a bit more!
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think it is hard to be a heli mom with young kids, but you can have "warning signs." What you need to watch out for is getting too involved in your older kids lives. I was a TA in graduate school and used to get MANY phone calls from parents about how little Johnny or Susie was an A student and the B I gave him or her on a lab must have been a mistake. That's a helicopter parent and it's hard to justify that as being "overprotective"
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 05:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so, helicopter parents are the same as micromanagers?
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, but earn a helluva lot less!
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
DH loves to tell the story of the offer his IB extended to a 24 year old who told an MD he had to consult with his parents and then had his parents call to negotiate for him! Watch out heli moms!
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you insist on going down the slide with your 3 year old? Stand beneath them if they climb more than 12" in the air? Do you speak for DC when dealing with other kids, and not let them work it out? Use plastic cups with your 4 year old, lest they break a glass and get hurt? Do you tell dc to "be careful" more than once an hour? Can dc be mussed or dirty?
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 05:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]BTW, not being a helicopter mom, means you can recognize at what point certain parental behaviors are no longer necessary. Being on top of a new walker, or SN child who does need you is not the same as stalking your 4 yo waiting for the moment you decide they "need" you.
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 05:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
When you go to a mommy and me art class, do you help your toddler do the project the "right way."
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 06:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The fact that you are aware of the "helicopter mom" syndrome might indicate that you are not. Examples: hiding under a chair in front of your child for their kindergarten picture to make them have a good picture, going down the slide with a 3YO (going down the slide with a 1-2YO is okay), going to school with them , etc
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]my husband goes down the slide all the time with our 3yr old. i think he misses his youth!
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's the excuse HPs make
[ Reply | Options ]06.02.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
dc, uws, op, fil, mil, dd, da, ub..... *head spins clean off*
[ Reply | Options ]06.04.09, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I am so surprised. In our school, all parents were told no nuts and the teachers ask... 1 reply
- sorry. meant to reply to the peanut butter allergy mom....
Talk : : May 29, 2009
I am so surprised. In our school, all parents were told no nuts and the teachers ask before serving foods and sometimes even read the list of ingredients.
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.29.09, 07:59 PM [ Flag ]sorry. meant to reply to the peanut butter allergy mom.
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[+] dd was given a snack at preschool, baked by one of the moms, which had peanut butter.... 18 replies
- I'd make a list of "safe" foods and also keep a stash of "safe" snacks at...the fact that there are many kids with peanut allergies, and be sensitive to it. she is obviously clueless...no nuts and the teachers ask before serving foods and sometimes even read the list of ingredients....
- home to ALL parents that there is an allergy in the class would be helpful. But ultimately,..., but teach her to start asking "Is this food safe for me to have?" whenever she is...
Talk : : May 29, 2009
dd was given a snack at preschool, baked by one of the moms, which had peanut butter. teacher knows dd has a peanut allergy but did not realize the snack had peanuts. he gave dd an epi and I had to rush her to the ER. i know now they'll be supercareful and will not give her anything other than the snacks i provide for her. for other moms with allergic kids, what have you done to minimize the risks to your dcs? fwiw, there is no nut-free preschool in our area so that is not an option.
18 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.29.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag ]omg is your dc ok?? how scary!
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the mom who baked the snack is a f&%$ing moron. the school should have sent out a letter to all parents letting them know it is a nut-free classroom. that is seriously neglectful. signed, teacher in a pre-k
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The mom is not a moron - how the heck was she supposed to know. Plenty of schools actually serve peanut butter. You are right though that the preK should have sent a letter to avoid such situations.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]any mom in this day and age should be aware of the fact that there are many kids with peanut allergies, and be sensitive to it. she is obviously clueless or just plain inconsiderate.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There really aren't THAT many & some schools actually still serve peanut butter. The school should make parents aware & the teacher should know not to let a severely allergic child chomp down on peanut butter.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA. A note home to ALL parents that there is an allergy in the class would be helpful. But ultimately, it's the parents' and the teacher's and the child's responsibility to protect the child. The baking mother probably feels horrible and it was certainly unfortunate.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.09, 08:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yeah, all shared snacks should be nut free - they should have told all parents this.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'd make a list of "safe" foods and also keep a stash of "safe" snacks at school (including cupcakes or some other treat for birthdays and class parties). I'm a teacher and it takes extra effort on my part - but it has to be done. I prefer this arrangement b/c there's less guess-work (and if I'm ever unsure, I can just go to the safe foods).
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't forget to send the bill to the school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]is this a joke?
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or get a good lawyer
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 07:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am so surprised. In our school, all parents were told no nuts and the teachers ask before serving foods and sometimes even read the list of ingredients.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 08:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]same in my dc's school as well in the schools I have worked in (and that's a few).
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 08:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm not in NYC but am shocked that schools actually allow treats baked by moms to be served at all. Most schools use store-bought treats because who knows what kind of conditions the homemade stuff was made in or what it's made with.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.09, 09:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You must go to a public in a rough district.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.09, 09:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
where do you live. I live on UWS but toured preschools all over the city (some uws, some downtown, close to my office, some east side close to dh's ofc) and every single one of them was nut-free.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.09, 09:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can't rely on other people if there is a serious allergy. Teach your dc not to eat anything that you don't provide. Make sure the teacher has something on tap to give him/her when other kids are getting treats. No matter what rules the school may try to enforce, you still have to be responsible.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]First, I am shocked that someone would send in a treat with peanut butter without asking the teacher for permission, and that the teacher would not ask about ingredients. Second, your daughter is probably a little young for this, but teach her to start asking "Is this food safe for me to have?" whenever she is given food by anyone other than you. It's better to use this phrase than "Can I have this?" which to an uninformed or distracted adult just means "Am I allowed?" Using the word "safe" signals to adults that it is a health concern. I'm glad there was an epi on hand and she was OK - I'm a teacher and this is a major worry of mine.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] My ds is severly allergic to peanuts. His preschool is not nut free. I want to ask ... 16 replies
- but one explainging the severity of your dc's allergy - and asking me not to include peanuts AT...) that they give to kids with SEVERE peanut allergies and they are allowed to take them to school....enough to potentially feel self-conscious from your "outing" his allergy, he's also probably old enough to know not...else's food, in case it has nuts in it....
- sorry - my dd has allergies as...of that one (I've heard of sesame allergy, but not that prevalent!)...
Talk : : May 29, 2009
My ds is severly allergic to peanuts. His preschool is not nut free. I want to ask the parents not to include peanuts or nuts in any snacks they bring for the class. Do you think a letter from the school (where they would state that a child has this allergy but not name my ds specifically) would be better than a letter from me? I don't want my ds to feel self-conscious. Or do you think it will have a bigger impact if I wrote a personal letter to each parent.
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.29.09, 11:35 AM [ Flag ]Ask the principal what he/she would even permit.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 11:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would discuss with the school first but do what you feel you need to to protect you dd.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^ ds (sorry)
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
All I can do is tell you how I would react. I would glance at a letter from the school and make a mental note that I can't have peanuts in stuff I send FOR THE CLASS. I probably would not mention to dh. If I got a letter from you - a brief one, but one explainging the severity of your dc's allergy - and asking me not to include peanuts AT ALL in MY dc's food - I would abide and make sure that I told dh to do the same. Good luck! Hope dc outgrows it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would pay more attention to a letter from a concerned parent but maybe both would be better. Some people just don't care and wouldn't do it unless the school asked them not too. I definitely wouldn't let my dd take anything with peanuts in it to school if I knew someone had a bad allergy. I just heard too that the now having peanut sniffing dogs (like drug dogs) that they give to kids with SEVERE peanut allergies and they are allowed to take them to school. You might want to check into that too.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no matter what you do about letters, I wouldn't rely on providing information. People forget. Your ds has to be careful. You can also ask the teacher to check all treats for nuts. In severe cases, the dc isn't allowed to have treats at all and the parent provides something to be given to him when the other kids are having snacks. How you approach this depends on how severe the allergy.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how old is your ds? If he's old enough to potentially feel self-conscious from your "outing" his allergy, he's also probably old enough to know not to eat anyone else's food, in case it has nuts in it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]bs
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sorry - my dd has allergies as well, but since she was 5 (in K, when she "might" start to feel self-conscious for being singled out for any reason) she knows not to eat food from the other children in case it has something in it that could hurt her.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am pleased and surprised that so far, no mean UBer has demanded to know why OP is sending her ds to a non-nut free school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]WHen I was touring preschools last fall, every single one (UWS) was a nut and seed-free school. I thought that was the norm now. Talk to your psd.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]seed-free?
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, i'm still not sure what it means. are lots of kids allergic to sesame seeds or something?
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know - I've never heard of that one (I've heard of sesame allergy, but not that prevalent!)
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why don't you just find a nut free school? I specifically chose a non-nut free school for my dcs because I am so worried I would forget or screw up and don't want to be sued if an allergic kid takes my dcs food and eats it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np Our preschool is "nut aware". NO school that has parents bring in snack can safely say it's "nut free".
[ Reply | Options ]05.29.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Anyone have advice on spotting milk/formula allergies in babies? I'm switching 6mo dd... 4 replies
- It might be the formula and her body is adjusting to the "new food". I think some babies find it hard to digest the milk-proteins at...
- real milk/dairy allergies usually manifest themselves in redness/itchiness around the mouth and labored breathing. stomach...answer to this question, but would urge you to discuss any potential allergies/sensitivities to milk/dairy or anything else with your ped. i wouldn't...
Talk : : May 28, 2009
Anyone have advice on spotting milk/formula allergies in babies? I'm switching 6mo dd from breast milk to formula. Have worked up to 5 oz formula / 2 oz breast milk per bottle. She had a few days of one poop every other day. Then one poop with blood in it (I panicked and called ped, he said it could be the formula or could be a stomach virus, don't worry unless it repeated.) Since then, one week of about 8 poops per day, all of which look normal but surely too frequent? Do you think it's the formula? Any suggestions? TIA.
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.28.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag ]It might be the formula and her body is adjusting to the "new food". I think some babies find it hard to digest the milk-proteins at first but their little bodies will eventually adjust. Until then you'll see some weird pooping. Maybe try Alimentum or Nutramagen or lactose-free formula. My baby did well on the lactose-free formula mixed with breast milk.
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]real milk/dairy allergies usually manifest themselves in redness/itchiness around the mouth and labored breathing. stomach issues usually signal a sensitivity to dairy, but not an allergy. your ped's response to the blood in the poop is odd, imo, as i can't imagine a causual link between bloody bowels and milk ingestion, but i'm not a doc.
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Interesting. She also had redness around her mouth a week ago but this has gone with no change in diet. I could try Alimentum or something similar - if that seems to suit her better should I keep her on it or transition back to the regular stuff? This is pretty confusing, I don't want to "diagnose" her as lactose intolerant and limit her diet if I don't have to.
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]for some reason i can't reply to your post below. anyway, i really don't know the answer to this question, but would urge you to discuss any potential allergies/sensitivities to milk/dairy or anything else with your ped. i wouldn't switch just to switch -- at the least, i would want to get guidance from my ped on this. good luck! as the first post suggested, it's probably just your baby's adjusting to the new "food."
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] The public school lunch post made me think - can you bring lunch to private? 39 replies
- you. suppose you wanted to send your child with food from home?...
- food. What do you mean by "all kinds of food"?...
- is that for allergies? in all grades or just the lower?...
- good for them. just not my kind of food, nothing wrong with liking your own food....
- than allergies. They don't want kids bringing food into school period....
Talk : : May 27, 2009
The public school lunch post made me think - can you bring lunch to private?
39 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.27.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag ]Depends on school. Not at ours.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you. suppose you wanted to send your child with food from home?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why would you want to do that? You're paying 35k a year, for goodness sake--why not save yourself the hassle of making lunch?!
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i just asked. what do you care?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Go for it, then. Just know that your dc will likely be the only one in his/her class sitting there with a lunch box.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
No food from home at my dc's school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]is that for allergies? in all grades or just the lower?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]All grades--preK-8. I think it's about more than allergies. They don't want kids bringing food into school period.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 03:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what if the child is a really picky eater and would not want to eat anything at school? sucks for them?
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 05:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
really? They won't allow you to pack a lunch? That's crazy.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 03:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you think it's crazy, it's obviously not a school for you.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 03:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why would you do that? At our private, the kids have several choices. And there are always bagels and such for the picky eaters.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]for the same reason that i send food to the public, and i'm sure they don't have all kinds of food on the menu.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Our private has great food. What do you mean by "all kinds of food"?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh please. let me know when they start making oxtail and rice and peas.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Huh?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly. maybe i want to make pasteles or pemi.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are a freak and should be homeschooling
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 06:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]because we don't eat the same food you do?
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Today at my dc's private, the lower school kids had a cold lunch: chilled pea and yogurt soup or cantaloup and citrus soup; chix or shrimp caesar salad; Asian beef noodle salad. Sounds good to me.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not to me. but thanks
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why? Point is, there's something different everyday--and it's not all grilled cheese, fries, burgers and grease.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]good for them. just not my kind of food, nothing wrong with liking your own food.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're not eating lunch - you DC is.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and what kid in her right mind would eat that? chilled pea and yogurt soup?
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Hello mom at my dc's school -- what grade?
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np:100% organic fruits and veggie, antibiotic free meats and poultry, fish that isn't overfished and doesn't contain a lot of mercury, a variety of ethnic foods. Basically, what I serve at home.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]now you're just joking.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np She's not.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Ross?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 03:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do they test it for mercury?
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 08:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It is the same at my house too. 100% organic, no antibiotics, no mercury. These particular chemicals are not good for brain development and have negative effects on reproductive organs later in life.
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 06:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]whatever-then keep your kid in a bubble and home school
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 06:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I have a friend who is chef at one of the more hoity-toity privates. Those kids eat really well.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
our doesn't allow it. But the lunch menu is varied and pretty healthy. Organic when they can. Lots of healthy choices. Very little junk.
[ Reply | Options ]05.27.09, 08:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Does that mean lunch is included in the tuition? Or do you have to pay extra?
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 05:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]included-
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 06:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
omg, I had no idea the tuition included lunch. how plush.
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We have to - there is no lunchroom - and it has to be kosher and nut-free (Heschel).
[ Reply | Options ]05.28.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] what should be our grocery budget for a week? 2 adults and 2 kids. 24 replies
- it depends. do you "need" organic food? any allergies? are you on any special diet? kosher?...
- will try to summarize: 1. stop purchasing prepackaged convenience foods and make it yourself instead. Look at your food...extras of various type. BTW, eliminating all prepackaged convenience food is a godsend from a nutritional perspective, not only...very impractical and still wouldn't buy me enough food to feed my family....
Talk : : May 24, 2009
what should be our grocery budget for a week? 2 adults and 2 kids.
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.24.09, 04:51 PM [ Flag ]$50. http://www.budget101.com/Ebooklet/EBooklet_Fam4.pdf
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i can't open the link but i really don't htink it's possible with any semblance of tasty food.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just click on the link. Worked for me.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you for that wonderful suggestion. i wonder why i didn't try it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: you have to download the pdf, which I'm skimming and will try to summarize: 1. stop purchasing prepackaged convenience foods and make it yourself instead. Look at your food bill and see what costs most: salad dressings, cake mixes, gravy, soup, tortillas, self-rising flour, etc. all convenience. 2. buy seasonings/spices in bulk. 3. don't buy bread; either bake it or buy at a discount bakery. 4. buy meat in bulk. a butcher can then slice and flash freeze it cheaply. 5. use a crock pot. 6. grow your own herbs. 7. purchase veggies in season and can them yourself. 8. use substitutions. 9. freeze, even if individual portions; always use leftovers; vacuum seal. 10. 'going to the restaurant' means taking stuff from freezer and family can choose from a printed list, menu-style. 11. Once a Month Cooking 'OAMC': an entire day or weekend of cooking, working with planned menus, and freezing everything. 12. cleaning supplies: vinegar, baking soda, and borax. 13. eating out: "not very often:" instead, print recipes from budget101.com. 14. make your own petfood from rice, vitamins and organ meats, whatever's cheapest. 15. only gadgets used are a hand mixer, crock pot, vacuum sealer, pressure cooker, freezer. 16. always plan menus before cooking, and plan 30 days ahead. 17. So, the monthly budget is $30 for meat, $50 for loss leader purchases, $120 basic grocery items. Side dishes always used: salad, refried beans, pasta, rice, potatoes. That's pages 1 through 21. P. 21 thru 37 are pretty much meal plans and recipes.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 09:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or: thanks for the summary. i think it's very impractical and still wouldn't buy me enough food to feed my family.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Our cleaning and paper goods supplies alone would take up most of this (laundry detergent, sandwich bags, trash bags, paper towels, toilet paper, cat litter, etc.)
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
well the suggestions in there are things like make your own bread, can your own vegetables, buy meat in bulk (as in a whole side of beef)....not exactly practical suggestions for a lot of families.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Many of these articles are not geared for wohm who live in small apartments in nyc. Buying bread does not bust our budget, buying fresh veggies and chicken does. I guess the trick is to buy at places like Western Beef, or Costco, or Trader Joes' at the best value and figure out ways to stretch one meal into two.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think if one is very careful, it could be done with 100/week. There should be enough money for fresh vegetables, fruit and meat. Canned vegetables may be cheaper, but they have almost no nutritional value, frozen is better. Take advantage of special, eat fruit and vegetables that are in season. Control portions, so that there is no leftovers to throw. Unless money is extremely tight, I'd cut from other part of the budget and try to eat a well balanced diet, with quality ingredients -- to me it's more important than clothes, vacation, extras of various type. BTW, eliminating all prepackaged convenience food is a godsend from a nutritional perspective, not only a saving.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 06:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: actually, i find prepackaged convenience foods are cheaper.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i think it depends on the prepackaged convenience food. kraft mac and cheese: cheap. hot dogs: cheap. those four minute meals from freshdirect: not so cheap.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
$50 won't even get me halfway down the produce aisle
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
should or could? it should be whatever you can afford.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 04:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it depends. do you "need" organic food? any allergies? are you on any special diet? kosher?
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG. Ours is over $200/week for 2 adults and one older child.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am with you. For two adults, two kids, one 7 and one 3, I spend about $150/200 a week. Our milk budget alone is sky high.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 11:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We're a family of four, and I must spend 350/month.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]we are a family of two and I spent at least $300. We don't go out v. often and I use my groceries to make lunch.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ours is about $400 a month. plus occasional runs to the grocery store to pick up little things we're out of and eating it out once or twice a week.
[ Reply | Options ]05.24.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my target is $100/week but it's hard. two adults, three kids.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 06:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]think it depends on how old the kids are, but 100/week would be very tough. I don't know how so many people here do it!
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]$200 a week for us, 2 adults, 2 kids. The suggestions about making your own bread seem ridiculous when you can get a 2 loaves of sliced bread for $5. I have cut back on pre-packaged foods and drink boxes and paper towels but feel like organic food is better and worth the price.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 01:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i posted above that we have a 100/week target and yes, it was much easier when dcs were younger. even something like chicken, i used to be able to buy a package of four bottoms and it fed the whole family, now we need one with six. do that for every meal and it adds up.
[ Reply | Options ]05.25.09, 04:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Does Anderson have more individualized attention than NEST or is it just an impressio... 31 replies
- posted here before that they are allowed paras for dcs with life-threatening food allergies! yet every class seems to have them!...
- could say that Anderson is full of kids with life threatening food allergies. Perhaps that is a trait many gifted dcs have....
- Paras are assigned to kids often who have medical needs that require supervision: severe food allergies, diabetes, etc. That's usually the case at Anderson....
Talk : : May 19, 2009
Does Anderson have more individualized attention than NEST or is it just an impression?
31 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.19.09, 09:42 PM [ Flag ]I'd be really surprised if anyone has actual knowledge about both to answer this.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 12:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Good answer!
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 01:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I spoke via email to one Nest parent who said there are a number of parents at Nest who are happier at that school than their other children's schools, including one parent who commutes from way upper manhattan to go to Anderson. I have no personal knowledge though--was just asking to rank K choices for myself! gl.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 06:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Does one teacher offer more individualized attention than another teacher at the same school? Yes. So I think everyone's experience will vary depending on what teacher their kid has.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 01:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I cannot speak about NEST, but at Anderson there are at a minimum 2 teachers in the class (a main teacher and an AT) and very, very often a para. These three people work together throughout the year, so there is a lot of stable adult supervision for the children. When the kids work in small groups or individually, they get a lot of attention from at least one of the grown ups. In K there are 25 kids, in first it used to go to 28, but now they say it will stay at 25. Also, I wanted to point out that these 3 adults are with the class for the full year and get to know the students very well. IMO this is better than having several student teachers that come in the classroom less regularly and continuatively.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 05:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]why are there paras in all the classes? are there kids with some kind of special needs? We've had kids in 3 different public schools in NYC and in all of them the paras are the ones that scream at the kids using inappropriate syntax and vocabulary. I would hate for one to be in my kid's classroom!
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto. would not like paras in the classroom at all and am very glad our school doesn't have them.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Paras are assigned to kids often who have medical needs that require supervision: severe food allergies, diabetes, etc. That's usually the case at Anderson.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think you had a bad experience. My dc's K para at Anderson is so sweet we often see her outside of school and dc will runs up and hug her.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np, I really think you have a unique experience with that para. Most would agree that paras are as or described.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np (and not an A parent) my understanding is that the PTA raises money for the ATs. As an aside -- There was some stink that the DOE was going to forbid the Principal from going out and hiring ATs/paras at will. They were going to have to go through DoE for this.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would guess that having an extra adult or two in the class would mean more individualized attention. However, as a Nest parent, let me offer another perspective. The admin and the teachers say that they do not want assistants in the classroom, that the classrooms operate more efficiently under the guidance of one great teacher. Although I had my doubts at the beginning of K, I can say now that the classroom runs as well as they promised, and that dc gets tons and tons of attention from the teacher. And I, for one, am relieved not to have the burden of fundraising for an extra 24 staff members for the school. Last year, Anderson (k-8, 2-3 classes per grade) raised over $1 million according to my parent tourguide. Last year, Nest (k-12, 3-5 classes per grade) raised $220,000. As long as the classroom experience is great and dc is learning, I'm more than happy to forgo this extra fundraising. JMO
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 05:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nest (k-12, 3-5 classes per grade) raised $220,000. As long as the classroom experience is great and dc is learning, I'm more than happy to forgo this extra fundraising. JMO
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 05:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not sure why you're bragging that your school is filled with cheapskates! obviously that extra $$ could be used for things other than asst. teachers if you cared to raise it. at our school we have what i think is the best of both worlds. one very qualified asst. teacher who floats among classrooms. the $ is spent to pay for someone more qualified than a student teacher type, but there isn't one in every classroom 24/7, so it doesn't cost a fortune, nor is anyone stepping on toes. it couldn't be more efficient from what i've observed. the reason it works at nest with one teacher is because the doe allows nest to keep their class sizes small. whether that is fair or not is an argument for another thread, but one teacher in a classroom wouldn't work at many places.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^won't work in every school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is about Nest and Anderson, not gen eds. I would argue that it would work fine at Anderson as it does at Nest based on the similar child population, but I'm not putting down either school - both are great, obviously. Just trying to answer OP's question.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but nest has more dcs in the classroom.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nest has 21 in K and 1 and then 25ish, A will now be capped at 25. Pretty much the same. And I think our class would have been just fine this year with 25 kids and 1 teacher (although I obviously love the 21 kid size)
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
No bragging, just appreciation that the school does not "waste" (my opinion)money unnecessarily. I don't see a need to wring money out of parents based on the idea that more is necessarily better.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Anderson is a small close knit community that cares about the well being of dc's and also cares about it's teachers, has a lot of community involvement and therefore is very effective in fund raising. This is what has made this school so special.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree. not the same at nest.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This is silly. Assistant teachers do no class teaching, though occassionally they asnwer questions and help kids when working at tables. Paras definitely do nothing at all in terms of teaching instruction. So, 95% of teaching is done by one person only. While some kids may be getting individualized work, they are not getting individualized teaching instruction.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]this isn't true at our school. the asst. teacher takes dcs out of the classroom for small-group reading instruction, for instance.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree. the ATs in every classroom are overkill. would prefer smaker class size. often the ATs end up being assistants so the teachers can go and UB or whatever...have free time whenever they want throughout the day.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not like this at our school. they are drawing up lesson plans, attending meetings with outside experts, or even just xeroxing. btw, the difference between 22 and 25 dcs is nothing according to recent studies.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
In my dc's class at Anderson they often split up into three group to do more individual work. Dc's that are extremly bright get seperate work individully tailored as there are only one or two in each class.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do the kids at Anderson need more attention for some reason? It sounds like some must have special needs or other issues requiring a para. Maybe Anderson accepts more "twice gifted" types?
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]some a mom posted here before that they are allowed paras for dcs with life-threatening food allergies! yet every class seems to have them!
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 07:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So i guess you could say that Anderson is full of kids with life threatening food allergies. Perhaps that is a trait many gifted dcs have.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think the school has found a loophole and managed to exploit it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
They're NOT in every class. As kids with medical issues get older, they become better able to monitor their own issues. It's in the lower grades with young children that a class is more likely to have a para, assigned to a particular child.
[ Reply | Options ]05.20.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Follow up to the asian/eastern european post: I came from eastern europe and find the... 92 replies
- seen the fashion on display and the tchatchkes (not to mention the inedible food) for sale, i find it sort of amusing you'd think a table...some type of volunteering you would enjoy (teaching disadvantaged kids math? animal shelter? food kitchen? treasurer for school?)...
- to buy. The reason they ask to bake because some kids have nut allergies, and you can't always know the ingredients if you buy. So much...
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Follow up to the asian/eastern european post: I came from eastern europe and find the concept of volunteering enigmatic. What is the point of forcing busy parents to do work that any uneducated person (hired for $15/hr) can do equally well or better. I very much prefer to write a check than participate in a bake sale (which I find tacky). Somebody, please, explain me the point.
92 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.18.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag ]you miss the point. volunteering means they aren't forced to do it. they do it because they want to carve out some of their time to help others less fortunate. many of us in the states, were brought up with this inclination/desire to help others. obviously if you don't have the time, you can write a check, and if you don't have the desire or inlcination, you don't HAVE to do anything.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but isn't it somewhat mandatory for private school parents (in a sense that you will be looked at disapprovingly if you don't volunteer)? Again, I am not against helping less fortunate but would prefer to do it with money than my time.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and that's your choice. but the added benefit of volunteering is the sense of community it engenders.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i don't think there's anything wrong with that, but i personally think it's more gratifying to volunteer. i volunteered for habitat for humanity to build homes in new orleans after katrina and it was amazing to actually see the fruits of your labor and to meet the people you were personally helping.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: this is a very good point. but your cause was very noble. i am mostly asking for "bake sale" type of activity. it looks to me that it is just a way to entertain bored SAHMs.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're just a troll looking to pick a fight. if you don't value community at your school and want to justify your laziness by calling everyone who does a bored sahm, fine. write your check and don't bother rolling up your sleeves and pitching in. you clearly value your job over a sense of community at dc's school fwiw, i woh and i volunteer. because it's important to me and because i understand that there are some people who can't just write a check but can spend an hour or so manning a booth or baking a tray of brownies and i choose to support them and to teach my dc the value of helping others through hard work, not just by writing a check. have a nice night.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're a victim of the hype (NP). A lot of these events are for bored SAHMs to have something to do/something to feel powerful about. Hence the PTA and Boosters Club drama at most schools.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 01:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it's called being involved. building a community. bonding with parents and children and doing something that benefits all of you. not treating your dc's education like it's the verizon bill to be paid every month. sorry you find bake sales tacky, but it doesn't sound like you are the epitome of sophistication yourself.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she's obviously a fake troll. somebody please explain me the point? i mean, natasha of rocky and bullwinkle fame speaks better english than that.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]obviously english is not her first language, what don't you understand?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Did anybody explain to you that command of foreign language and degree of sophistication are two different things? I am sure you are more comfortable with articles but I doubt that you can have an equal conversation with me on many subjects.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sorry, but anyone who doesn't understand the value of volunteering isn't very sophisticated.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]beg to disagree. i grew up in the country where "volunteering" was mandatory (not sure if you can understand this). So it is a matter of a cultural differences (as I specifically mentioned in the post), not sophistication. In my books the good test for sophistication will be if you tell me what is the current exhibition at MOMA, or what is played at BAM without looking it up.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ so sorry - cultural differences not a cultural differences, but it was an honest typo!
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]troll alert.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how does knowing what exhibitions are at moma (i think it's the american west show still, but don't quote me on that--i didn't google) make you a better person than helping people in need? i don't care what your cultural background is, anyone who doesn't recognize the importance of giving of themselves is a small person.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it is not american west, and we were not talking about "a better person". a better person is not equal to a sophisticated person, that is all.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the american west show runs until june 8th.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sorry, my bad. I missed this one when I went last week.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so you're a wohm who has time to go to moma every week but not to volunteer at dc's school? so selfishness is a cultural thing now? huh.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]good point. how busy can she really be?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You can help people in need by writing a check
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 01:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
why would someone hire an "uneducated person" to man a bake sale at their school? agree with poster above. you're a troll.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]because it's much more compelling for a VOLUNTEER, who is not being paid for his/her time to raise money for a cause than for a PAID EMPLOYEE (even someone who's not paid a lot) to ask for money which essentially will go to pay his/her salary...even in higher level major gift fundraising situations ($5,000 plus) it's always more compelling for a volunteer trustee to do a fundraising "ask" than for a salaried employee, like the school director!
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you "the despotism of mediocre" poster?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol. no, the only despot she knew was tito.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how do you know she is not the poster?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: the post you are referring to was stupid and obnoxious, I didn't even read the thread.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 10:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am also Eastern European. Even though I don't have the same definition of what it means to be sophisticated I very much understand and agree with the OP. I think it is a cultural difference in this case. I also find the type of volunteer events at schools that OP is writing about in very bad taste.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so don't participate. but don't pretend it's a cultural thing not to want to help with your hands and not your money (which i seriously doubt you contribute either). it's laziness and snobbery, pure and simple. having visited eastern europe and seen the fashion on display and the tchatchkes (not to mention the inedible food) for sale, i find it sort of amusing you'd think a table of cupcakes somehow offends your aesthetic sensibility. but whatever.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This sounds beautiful. But just to be on the record, I do contribute as much as I can afford: 3-4 K a year for all fundraising activities.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was not the OP I just merely said that I also understand this as I am from the same region. I do find it amusing how you see a bake sale to help a rich private school raise money for some BS that they don't really need "HELPING OUT". There are plenty of worthy causes and volunteer work is valuable but I often feel that in schools it is more for parent socialization and show off.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no one said anything about rich private schools.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op's dcs attend a tt "rich private school"
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We were asked to "volunteer" to try to get donations for private well funded nursery school. I do think that in NY I have seen the concept of “volunteering” applied very inappropriately.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i sort of understand where you are coming from, did my share of 'subbotniks'. When did you come here? seems like you are going thru a sort of a cultural shock, the adaptation really takes time.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: Yep. Was referring to "subbotniks" indeed
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not sure i understand. this is like me saying my dad made me mow the lawn every saturday for free so i'm not going to go to harlem and paint the walls of the local school. i did my share of "subbotniks" too!
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i'll explain you the point, hon. you should be down on your acid-washed denim knees kissing our a$$es and selling enough cupcakes to stock a hostess truck for the chance to send your dc to school here and not in some country where you're forced to volunteer.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My god, you guys are just proving my point.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: Aren't you even embarrassed by your reply?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]come on. she was asking for it calling volunteers tacky and no better than uneducated workers. seriously, she's trolling.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I called BAKE SALES tacky!! You have comprehension issues (in your own language).
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, and by implication the people who run and support them. i'm not sure why you think we're all so much stupider than you are. but we're not.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think she was saying that YOU'RE stupid.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 02:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ROFLMAO!
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Maybe OP is running for a class parent or Benefit Chair. She sounds just like an Asian mom that I know. I don't want to volunteer, I just write a check, I lie that I'm working. After saying all that, she's now a very active parent in school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]perhaps she is be asian, and says she is eastern european not to be outed?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i am russian, and i love bake sales, though i don't bake so we just buy something and donate. and i love volunteering though i hate subbotniki (mandatory saturday labor in old russia). op, you really don't understand how offensive your post might seem to some people, and you must be very proud of your "education", but trust me, if it's from the US, you were somewhat of an admission mistake, since you failed to learn the most important thing - respect, and you failed to learn about the culture of the country where have chosen to bring up your children. also, many people in this city don't make $15/hr. I doubt your dc's teachers make that money.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^from the US school
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It needs to come from the heart. It's not a cultural issue or difference, it's one of spirit. If you don't get it that's fine but you are not going to get by posting on UB or reading posts on UB.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]???
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yeah sure.... however you sound like you are so much above everyone and everything...
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
One more thing for the russian poster. Generally, you are not suppose to buy. The reason they ask to bake because some kids have nut allergies, and you can't always know the ingredients if you buy. So much hypocrisy on this blog. BTW, I actually did get the answer to my question, so i am satisfied. Thanks all.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's not the case in my dc's public school, they raise money for the school
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
and for the russian poster, what exactly do mean by "admission mistake"? Not sure I was passing any admission test.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think she means admitting you into this country. she's embarrassed by you.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There is not such thing as "admitting" to the country for professionals. I didn't come as a refugee, you know.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it doesn't really matter how professional you are.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You people just have issues with reading comprehension. I am saying there is NO admission, you just get a job and come. Clear? The intelligence level of this discussion is really embarrassing. Time to go and do something more entertaining.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you sound like a mid level banker or consultant. What? they shut down the moscow office?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]huh? you get a job and you just come? see, there's this thing called homeland security these days.... oh, never mind. you obviously are fakelana fakenetsova.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: I can't just leave this thread, it is so hilariously stupid. HS didn't care about my bake sale activities.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np - are you still in your nuclear shelter - don't get out, wait for another 20 years. OP is ridiculous, but you are really ignorant and obnoxious. You make it easy for OP to feel actually good after this debate.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why is it obnoxious to call op out on her bs?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's not a bs to be a professional in NY.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 07:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]way to miss the point, moron.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 04:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]calling people names really shows the strength of your argument
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OR: you brag how educated and sophisticated you are, so if your education came from an american school, you would be imho an admission mistake.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Admission to my grad school was based on my GRE scores, not bake sales experience.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 09:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
because it's fun and community building, because your kids cannot just write a check, and this shows them that they can still help others (and many parents and adults cannot afford just writing a check, either). If you don't enjoy bake sale it's better to pay, I agree, but there must be some type of volunteering you would enjoy (teaching disadvantaged kids math? animal shelter? food kitchen? treasurer for school?)
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I guess, I just don't enjoy community building.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's part of being a human being.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
That's because you want the govt to take care of everything so that you don't have to lift a finger and volunteer.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What are you talking about? I am paying my private school through the nose, pay huge taxes, and would never get anything to do with the govt, including public education.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 09:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm still confused about what she wants to hire someone to do for 15 dollars an hour.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]take on the exruciatingly tacky task of selling rice crispy treats for an hour or so while she checks out the american west exhibit at moma, apparently.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks. I feel like I'm totally following her logic now!!! ;)
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: you got it, except I actually missed this particular exhibition because I didn't find it interesting (but it is a totally different subject).
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 09:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Actually, I'm a New Yorker, a public school mom, and I mostly hate to volunteer. I give big bucks instead, because I really can't deal with spending 20$ and an hour to bake a great cake that's going to be sold for 12$. It's just too stupid. I spend hours w/my dc in the schoolyard, so I can talk to other parents, etc. But I'm middle aged, I've worked loads of crap jobs and just want some time to do work I really care about, not stand around selling stuff, even for my dc's school. Why's that so terrible?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's not terrible. but you're not really teaching your dc much about the value of volunteering. and the excuses you make--i'm old, i'm tired, i made a lot of stupid choices and now i just want people to let me be ME--are just that. excuses. who spends $20 on their bake sale stuff, btw?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'd love to know what you consider big bucks. if twenty dollars sticks in your craw.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, you're right, I should just make a quick box cake, but I can't see actually offering something to strangers that I wouldn't consider good enough for my own family. A high quality cake with great organic ingredients, good chocolate, etc, actually costs money. But I don't mind that, it's just the absurdity of time/ingredients being worth more than what the cake will earn back. I've heard many moms complain about that. As for yearly contribution, about 1K, which is nothing at privates, I guess, but I'm sure my public can use it more that a cake! I highly value and admire the efforts of other, btw, but don't know if I need to copy them. I do other kinds of community-based activities, so isn't that a model, too?
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 05:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm Asian, disagree with a lot of points OP made, but I have to say that volunteering as a required and expected concept is really stressful for me as well. I'd much rather write a check. It's not that I value my time more that others, but the idea of a bake sale, tree plantation (volunteering at riverside park), manning a booth etc is VERY alien to my culture. And people volunteering are usually very gregarious and extroverted moms (woh or sah) who make me uncomfortable. The only time I have volunteered and found it gratifying was when I taught inner city kids math and science to prep them for SATs and that was free. I also found it a more meaningful way to contribute.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 08:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: Thank you, you understand. This type of volunteering would make me happy, simply because a) I can see how it is helpful b) not everyone can do this so my personal (not just monetary contribution) is meaningful. I actually did something similar (not in my school, and it didn't occur to me to call it "volunteering") but can't say what because I can out myself. Something I care about and my dc is into. But "bake sale" at a private school - different story.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 09:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. Asian too, and I prepped kids for the SAT in college and post-college, which I felt really good about, especially when some of them contacted me later with their scores and college acceptances! Nowadays I do walk/run fundraisers, but only for worthy causes (i.e. curing a disease, global poverty). I'm also OK with donating something to a bake sale or raffle if it's for a good cause for the school, but most of these non-school related bake sales and other "charity" events are for bullshit organizations.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 01:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: very well said. I feel the same way. I found bake sale an inefficient use of energy and time and that makes people fat too! and I can see that the socialization part of volunteering can make introverts uncomfortable.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
bakesales are such a relic of the past!! it's amazing how much they still go on!
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 09:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not Asian or East European but I think bake sales are popular with the Urban Baby types because they are easy and obvious, while cutting a check for several hundred isn't and there's a chance someone might not notice you "volunteering". What every cause needs is cash not meaningless stuff like cupcakes. Unless you can do something useful like teach math or reading.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 03:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am German and the kind of parental involvement in child's school that can be found here in NYC is different from what I grew up with. That said, it is a different culture here and I decided to move here and raise my children here. Thus, I always find some things I can volunteer for at my child's school. You can always pick and choose what you feel comfortable with.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 05:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do not listen to meanines. I am Russian, and I completely understand where you are coming from. I have done enough volunteering, including medical missions in 3rd world countries to understand that this is a game for bored rich people. "It's easier for a camel...", you know. Go ahead and buy your cookies: we always did, and DD was not complaining. We just come from a culture where all volunteering was mandatory, so it never felt natural.
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's unnatural here too, just in a different way.\
[ Reply | Options ]05.19.09, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Please don't ignore the fact that the Americans are the fattest people in the world. ... 32 replies
- but you can't force someone to eat a food they don't like.. IN moderation...
- eat while we are at it. No more Starbucks, fast food, or unhealthy dining in general. And also lets ban televisions....Bonnie Blair. She favors pbj as a pre-event/training/recovery food and they tracked the digestion and metabolization of her...some crappy examples-sometimes-won't harm our kids(outside of allergies and other issues) as much as rigid control....
Talk : : May 15, 2009
Please don't ignore the fact that the Americans are the fattest people in the world. Don't feed children whatever they want. They have no idea what they really need. It is your job, as a parent, help them to develop healthy eating habits. Only Americans ask their children what they want to eat, pack a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch and give a glass of juice through out the day. You have to have an attitude " if you don't like something on the table, so what ? Eat that or don't eat. You are not going to get substitutes, period"
32 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.15.09, 09:57 AM [ Flag ]thanks for the lecture
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 09:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Tram Lady? I'm now sure you're an underpaid cnet troll.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here. Hi, fat mom. I am not the Tram lady.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Tram Lady tagger and sadly, It might make you really upset to meet me on a beach. I'm very fit, happy and way over the self-appointed nutritional experts here. Tram Lady was based on a recent thread. Fat Mom is an overused, low iq attempt at an insult.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol, my thoughts exactly.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's totally Tram Lady.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm Tram Lady (wow I've got a pseudonym!) and am totally upset that someone's stealing my thunder. I promise this is not me who started this thread. Absolutely promise. Though I do think someone is trying to start trouble and moonlight as me which should be flattering but really isn't.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I agree that it's our responsibilities as parents to teach healthy eating habits. We only let the kids have one 6 oz of juice a day, desserts only on special occasions etc.. the 5 year old actually chooses "white milk" at school over chocolate... but you can't force someone to eat a food they don't like.. IN moderation.....
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You've picked the wrong board. Go lecture to the mid-westerners. NYC is one of the healthest cities in the country.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Spanish Harlem has one of the highest obesity rates (and diabetes rates) in the nation. Not only that, there are A LOT of fat kids below 96th street.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I dare say Spanish Harlem moms are not on this board. NYers have a longer life expectantcy than the nation's average: http://nymag.com/news/features/35815/
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Doesn't mean there aren't huge health problems up there. That said, you can even go to Ballet Academy East and see many, many overweight kids with affluent parents--all clambering to get crappy snacks and juice from the vending machines.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, of course there are fat kids. What I was trying to say is that NYers tend to be healthier, skinnier, and live longer than the rest of the country in general. So perhaps this post will do more good in the midwest or south.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So your argument that "Americans" are the fattest people in the world is based on the situation in Spanish Harlem?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not OP. But it is a fact that America is the fattest country in the world.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA. The juice, fast food, processed food and the truly incessant snacking (have to bring a snack everywhere--kids never stop eating!) have created what's becoming a public health disaster.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]snacking isn't the problem, snacking is actually very good for your metabolism. what you are snacking on is the problem.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right. But these kids aren't eating carrot sticks and apples. Almost always Goldfish of some sort (the multi-colored ones are popular). Nutritional zero.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: And you knew it would only be so long before someone started in on the evils of Goldfish. Should we discuss Gogurt next?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Gogurt is crap. That covers it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
why do you care? goldfish are delicious.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Thanks, but I think you're preaching to the converted here. I'm pretty sure all us "psycho moms' on UB have a handle on passing along healthy eating habits.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what's wrong with pb and j?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]all natural peanut butter is high in good fats & protein. homemade jelly or even store-bought jelly without added sugar is fine. i give my kids pb&j all the time.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My kids loooove them some pb and j. When they wake up with a nightmare they ask, can we split a pb and j? it will make us feel better? little scammies
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Nothing! I have a nutritionist, and she recommends whole-grain toast with natural pb as a great breakfast.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Let's control what adults eat while we are at it. No more Starbucks, fast food, or unhealthy dining in general. And also lets ban televisions. It totally leads to a sedentary lifestyle.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and the internet
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, surfing the internet and spending hours on UB has got to be worse than any junk food.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]There was an amazing little film about the speed skater, Bonnie Blair. She favors pbj as a pre-event/training/recovery food and they tracked the digestion and metabolization of her pbj! My kids have pb&honey on multigrain bread on a frequent basis with zero negative effects. While I agree that premade,pasteurized juices aren't a good addition and we don't consume them, it's more proven that deprivation is at the root of many eating disorders. It's safe to say that there's good sugar, fat and starch but that some crappy examples-sometimes-won't harm our kids(outside of allergies and other issues) as much as rigid control.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's not just food, either. Wii Fit is not the same thing as getting some real exercise (thought it's at least better than sitting around playing Mario).
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly. What the NY Mag article quoted above said was that, despite the stress of being in NY, NYer are healthier for one reason: no cars. You walk everywhere. Every subway trip is a quick StairMaster workout. Because you don't drive to huge supermarkets, NYers buy their groceries every couple of days, ensuring they are getting fresh produce.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Preschool always gives DC sweets for snack. I've asked them not to give him sugar be... 26 replies
- Would it help if you "remind" the teacher directly of his "allergy" to sugar?...
- . much as people think that it does, but if this bothers you you have to look for schools that have similar food "rules" to yours....
Talk : : May 12, 2009
Preschool always gives DC sweets for snack. I've asked them not to give him sugar because he has a strong reaction. Today he acted up there and I found out they had a sugary snack. It seems to go hand in hand. Why would they allow this? I'm thinking teachers has a sweet tooth!
26 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.12.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag ]teachers have....
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG. Don't you think I realized that after I typed it. I figure women on here are bright enough to figure out when it's a typo. Thanks. Spell Patrol mom.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]just plain lazy.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not worth a response. OP
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]heh heh heh.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh man you are annoying.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]woman you mean.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
think it's worse if he's the only one who doesn't get a treat
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Would it help if you "remind" the teacher directly of his "allergy" to sugar?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: don't misuse the word allergy. Just be honest and consistent. What kills me is I sent a ds who loved regular cows milk to school. He came home a kid who always asked for chocolate milk.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]same with all 3 of mine. annoying.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The worst part is they then have the gall to tell my kid they don't like the snack he had one day -- not healthy. (It was sun chips.)
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think you are making excuses. sugar does not really do that. they are probably thinking you hover too much. relax. a little fruit snax or whatever won't kill him. oh and kids are supposed to act up a little in preschool
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree. there was actually just an article in the NYT science section in recent weeks; studies show that "sugar hyperactivity" is a myth.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it is still not good for them, especially in excess as is often the case with all the parties, sales, etc. at school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 04:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]its a snack...a tiny snack. the kid's misbehavior on one day is developmentally appropriate, not a reaction to sugar.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 04:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Every time he's had a bad day it seems to go hand in hand with sugary/chocolate etc. snack.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 05:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, too much sugar is not so good for kids, but cannot blame behavior issues on it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 04:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't know if you're watching but had to leave for a while. OP here. It's not just the sugar. He reacts really strongly to anything with chocolate or red dye. I'm not the kind of mother either that doesn't let my kid eat what the others eat. I've just started putting it together. Other kids don't act up the way mine does and It CAN be triggered by what he eats.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Other than sending in a special snack for him to have every day (or forbidding him to have snack at all, which I think they really won't allow for), you're going to have to live with it. I agree with OP, sugar doesn't affect behavior really as much as people think that it does, but if this bothers you you have to look for schools that have similar food "rules" to yours.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]define sugary snack -- are we talking candy, or more like gogurt?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Marshmallows, chocolate, Whip Cream, Ice Cream with Sprinkles etc. OP
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Sounds like teachers were just trying to be nice.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA with OP. My kids in public PreK & K will have cookies & grape juice for snack & then maybe in same somebody's bday cupcakes & juice, gift bag candy,or else it is bakesale stuff, and ice cream day treats. We are going to a new school next yr & I am pretty sure they try to keep the # of sweets to a minimum. And why can't they just serve water!!!
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Because everyone would insist on bottled water.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you. Someone that understands! OP
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] My almost 2 year old son has mild excema (sp?) according to his doctor. He has what l... 6 replies
- I would take him to an allergy specialist just to be sure. My ped at first said that my DS had extreme dry skin turns out he has low level allergies to a few things. Also, I would use only very mild soap and not a lot...it helped. In addition I used other Mustela products. I also payed close attention to the food she was eating. I think we have found the "culprits": in my dd's case...
Talk : : May 12, 2009
My almost 2 year old son has mild excema (sp?) according to his doctor. He has what looks like a little rash on his face, red bumps on his upper back and some on his chest and red bumps on his lower legs. Acquafor doesn't seem to work well enough. The doctor suggested over the counter hydrocortisone. Would you take him to a pediatric dermatologist now? Or do you think it's work trying the over the counter stuff? any experiences with this anyone can share?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.12.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag ]I'm surprised your ped didn't give an Rx for a mild hydrocortisone ointment. That clears it up quickly for my dd.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Get Aveeno cream with oatmeal in it. Works wonders. Also give oatmeal baths (Aveeno has those too).
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 10:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would take him to an allergy specialist just to be sure. My ped at first said that my DS had extreme dry skin turns out he has low level allergies to a few things. Also, I would use only very mild soap and not a lot of it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would try "Mustela- Stelatopia for dry and eczema-prone skin". My pediatrician recommended it for my dd. Her excema was worse than your ds's and it helped. In addition I used other Mustela products. I also payed close attention to the food she was eating. I think we have found the "culprits": in my dd's case her rash got worse after drinking apple or orange juice.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 10:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I also like the Stelatopia cream. It's expensive but worth it, especially in the winter.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ShiKai Borage for kids worked really well for ds - just use it every night before bed and all the little patches went away and stay away.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Poll: What did you pack your kids for lunch today? 64 replies
- really? what if yuor dc has an allergy?...
- they will ban the food but otherwise it's OK. If a mild allergy, they will ask...mean it isn't funny that traditionally "Jewish" foods are so mainstream that they are mixed with...
- What is in the UB banned food list?...
- They heat the food at my son's school....
Talk : : May 12, 2009
Poll: What did you pack your kids for lunch today?
64 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.12.09, 06:07 AM [ Flag ]sandwhich (ham and "monster" cheese), apple, carrot sticks, white milk; (snack is handfull of pretzels and a banana)
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're a really good mommy.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks. (BTW I'm a dad.)
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
your "sandwhich" reminds of my nana -- she calls a sandwich a "sandridge"
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Ham and cheese quesadilla; apple slices; 2% milk; mint Milanos.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you had mint Milanos and milk in your house and they made it into the lunch box? "You're a better man than I Gunga-din."
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]They can have the Milanos, but the Mallomars are all mine!! lol
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow, so literate so early in the morning!
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you mean alliterative? I'm confused.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"you had" poster: The post above you is making reference to my quote of Kipling. "you are a better man than I Gunga-din."
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Tabouli mixed with feta cheese in a pita pocket, low-fat cottage cheese, carrot sticks, apple, 2% milk. Snack is palmful of Cheerios.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ham & cheese on a whole wheat challah roll, sliced yellow peppers, small apple, small bag of pirates booty & water.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]something mildly ironic about a ham and cheese on a challah roll.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not if you aren't jewish. I never even thought about it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. i'm just saying that it's ironic.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Haha yes, ITA.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: ITA. I remember when Burger King started selling a Ham and Cheese on a bagel (before bagels were common outside of NYC) and I found that pretty funny, too.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^oops, I forgot to add that they advertised it as a "traditional breakfast" or something like that.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So do you only eat rice & beans and salsa on a tortilla wrap? Only ever put taboule on a pita bread? Only clam chowder with sourdough? You're silly & territorial. Did you personally invent challah?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Boy, you are taking this personally. I think it sounds yummy and I'm happy you found something delicious to prepare. It doesn't mean it isn't funny that traditionally "Jewish" foods are so mainstream that they are mixed with ham all the time. Sorry, but I grew up in the midwest, and no one except Jews even know what a bagel was.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^even "knew" what a bagel was. Clearly, everyone eats bagels now.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not taking it personally- It seemed like you were claiming only jews should eat challah in the most kosher fashion. I grew up in the midwest too- and I knew what bagels were. They came frozen in a bag of 5-6. Remember Lenders? ; )
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not the poster that said "ironic", but saying something is ironic is world's away from claiming only Jews should eat it. I do remember frozen Lenders since it was the only thing available. But in the '70s (when I grew up -- you may be younger) most of my friends didn't even know what bagels were, probably because those Lenders bagels weren't very good, so why would anyone buy them?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: "Only clam chowder with sourdough" What are you talking about? I think most Americans would put sourdough squarely in the San Francisco/PNW category. Clam chowder is a New England invention. (Coastal Canada can argue some credit but I think they'd lose a fight over origins.)
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ interesting thing- chowda' was originally made to soften the hard tack (like a rock hard biscuit) which was made of the infested flour on a sailing (fishing) ship. That is why crackers are the bread of choice for chowder.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I thought the same thing...
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Chicken nuggets, potato chips, chocolate milk. Snack: Nachos.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]see ANY of the other above posts for alternate ideas for a decent lunch for dc.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np Oh, blow it out your bunghole.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
fake- you're just looking for people to respond.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]chocolate fudge and a pint of whiskey
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]mmm, sounds good. Maybe some bacon for a snack.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh my God--that sounds like MY ideal lunch. Maybe with some pecan pie on the side.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I usually throw in some twinkies for a snack.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
pasta with butter (in a thermos), carrot sticks, cantelope, cheese stick, milk
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]this is our kids' packed lunch too (nearly every day) but we mix up the fruit/veggie
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
2 string cheeses, fruit cup, apple juice, 2 bottles water, pretzels, granola bar
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you starving your dc for any particular reason?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
now that you asked....i usually pack a peanut butter sandwich and a boxed drink. his teacher told me he hasn't been eating his sandwiches and maybe i should send something else. so this mornign i cooked up some pasta. if he doesn't eat every single bite of that pasta, i'm going to ram it down his throat for dinner. (whew. thanks for letting me get that anger out!)
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what school still allows PB?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]all public schools
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]really? what if yuor dc has an allergy?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think parents usually know if their kids are allegic to pb
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there's a separate table for dcs who bring pb at our school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]is there a separate drinking fountain too? do the pb kids have sit at the back of the bus?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: Our public school does and ds takes a pbj sandwich every day. His best friend has peanut allergy and it hasn't been a problem (and mom is okay). Kids are careful and respectful, but simply eating peanut butter hasn't been an issue for 3+ years.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: it's private school. they allow peanut butter. i don't know what public schools do but i think with privates it's a case by case basis.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: our private is case by case also. If there is a severely allergic dc in the class they will ban the food but otherwise it's OK. If a mild allergy, they will ask you to put a note in the lunchbox just alerting them to the food so the allergic child can sit apart from the dc w/the food.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 07:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
hummus on pita, cut up apple, pretzels
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What is in the UB banned food list?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]honestly, there are nutjobs here who post that pretzels are an unhealthy snack. but most of the vitriol is saved for goldfish and gogurts. oh, and juice, of course.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and peanuts and anything with wheat or fat or sugar/corn syrup. I wonder sometimes if crayons are not the perfect UB snack.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]then I should stop making my 1 yo take them out of her mouth. they are her fave!
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 02:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]funny. -or
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my dc's teacher won't let her bring pretzels b/c it's not a healthy snack. ridiculous, imo.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I told my kid's teacher if she had issues with my choice of snack/food she was welcome to call me.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
tuna salad (w/mayo, lemon, pickles and capers! it's good) in whole wheat pita. 2 % milk. cucumber slices and snap peas. fruit leather.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]chicken nuggets, corn, and dates.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]aren't they cold by the time it's lunch time?
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np. my dc eats cold chicken nuggets for lunch occasionally.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]They heat the food at my son's school.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
$3.00
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have no idea. Nanny packed.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 12:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i don't have any idea what my kid ate either
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 03:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Newbie Question....I feel like an idiot asking this, but how do you know how much sol... 3 replies
- 4 days, after that went well I introduced next food - squash (I think), then waited a few days, introduced next. This was to check for any allergies or bad reaction (in poop, etc), and to not...loves veggies now anyway. Basically, I'd cook the food, then puree it and feed it to her. You...still opening her mouth, I'd defrost another food cube, I wouldn't stop feeding her just...GL, I'd look online at these baby food sites (google baby starting solids or something like...
Talk : : May 08, 2009
Newbie Question....I feel like an idiot asking this, but how do you know how much solid food to give your 6 month old, and when to start introducing new items? My baby is currently eating rice cereal every day and of course breast milk, but I am not sure if he should receive fruits and veggies yet, and if so, how much, how often? (We see the dr next week, but I like advice from real moms!) Thanks!
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.08.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag ]I gave rice cereal first for about 4 days, after that went well I introduced next food - squash (I think), then waited a few days, introduced next. This was to check for any allergies or bad reaction (in poop, etc), and to not overwhelm db with too many things at once.
[ Reply | Options ]05.08.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I gave db solids about an hour after breastfeeding, twice a day to start (in am and early afternoon, like 2pm or so). I started with rice cereal, but quickly changed to oatmeal cereal because she got constipated. Then, bananas, apples, pears, sweet potato. with a day or two in between. I didn't do the veggie first thing, and she loves veggies now anyway. Basically, I'd cook the food, then puree it and feed it to her. You can freeze in an ice cube tray (they also have special ones for baby food). I basically fed her as much as she wanted, so if she was still opening her mouth, I'd defrost another food cube, I wouldn't stop feeding her just because there was no more food. GL, I'd look online at these baby food sites (google baby starting solids or something like that).
[ Reply | Options ]05.08.09, 11:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Super Baby Foods recommend about 3-6 ounces for a 6 m.o., but my ped said to feed the baby whatever he is willing to eat.
[ Reply | Options ]05.08.09, 11:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] what is the most sanctimonious thing someone has said to you (or that you have read o... 42 replies
- to a birthday party and read all the labels on all the food being served so I assumed she had a child with an allergy, so I asked if there were some dietary restrictions that I could...expiration dates--I guess it is a big issue, kids getting fed expired food at parties...
- EXACTLY. And it's a sell-by date, not a "this food will immediately develop colonies of salmonella, listeria and e coli" date....
Talk : : May 07, 2009
what is the most sanctimonious thing someone has said to you (or that you have read on UB) lately?
42 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.07.09, 04:51 AM [ Flag ]op: me first, I just had a mother tell me, re: my child's tights: "wow, I can't believe that she can handle those cheap tights myyyyyyyyyyyyyy (child's name) can never wear any cheap fabrics because of her sensitive skin and I won't even risk it with our second"...I said "oh yeah that's too bad"
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 04:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow that was rude!!
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 05:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]how does she know they are cheap?
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 06:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]great question, she knew just by looking, she was that good (the are actually the hannah andersson white cotton, so not cheap at all...but we aren't opposed to wearing the little leggs variety around here either)
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Heh, love the whole 'Princess and the Pea' mystique around sensitive skin that some women get into.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 06:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
"Oh, I could never be a SAHM. I'd be bored silly."
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]YES! and, "I could never SAHM because I need intellectual stimulation." really love that one. Me? Oh I just need Days of Our Lives, thanks
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 09:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm a P/T WOHM. I don't know how SAHM don't go crazy, and I don't know how F/T WOHM stand to be away from their children.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 06:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow, that really covers all the bases there!!
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
A mom came over for a playdate and said that she could never live in a house this small and she doesn't know how I did it. BTW House is 2000 sq ft.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I've heard that one before along with the derivates: I don't know how you function without help, I don't know how you cook without a miele, I don't know how you survive on a ________'s salary...so lovely
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yeah, that's really bad. sanctimonious and in very poor taste (and shows that you have no class!)
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you sound immature and frakly, not ready to be a mom
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Most of us are immature before we have children.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the crazy person who was blasting the woman whose grandmother is being evacuated from a fire
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]eeek, who was that?
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]don't know, but earlier (when I was on at lunchtime I think) a woman posted that she was worried about her 90something grandma who was evacuating from a fire, and this person started blasting Santa Barbara. search for it - it was disgusting
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I picked my dd up from having dinner with her friend and she was wearing a totally different outfit from what I sent her in and the mother informed me that what she had been wearing was unsuitable for the restaurant they went to (but never even mentioned that they were eating out when inviting dd for dinner) and that we could "keep the clothes"
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's kind of funny, actually (hope they gave you nice stuff!) - but odd that she didn't tell you they were going out!
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think she thought that she was providing us with some sort of charity, she sort of whispered it to me like it was "our little secret"...
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]eww, that's bad then. I know once or twice a friend of dd's has wanted to play "dress up" in her closet, and i usually let her go home in what she's wearing when she leaves (as long as it isn't dd's favorite dress or something), but would never do it like charity
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]odd thing is, we are not struggling...we don't go around showing off and I like a bargain as much as the next guy, but we are doing quite well, so I was really surprised
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, unless she is a close friend I'm sure she doesn't know your financial situation, and she's either 1) naive and was just trying to be "helpful" or b) elitist and thinks children should only be dressed in mini boden or petit bateau or something like that
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'd go with b
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not really something someone said, but something they did: mom met myself and ds at the door and, using a wet wipe, wiped my ds's hands and made him take off his crocs so she could wipe his feet (yes, I know crocs are horrible and annoying but he got them as a present and loves them) before she would let him into her home
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]another swine flu crazy
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think Crocs on kids are adorable--on grown-ups, dubious unless you are Mario Batali.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I had a mom come to a birthday party and read all the labels on all the food being served so I assumed she had a child with an allergy, so I asked if there were some dietary restrictions that I could help with and she told me that she was checking expiration dates--I guess it is a big issue, kids getting fed expired food at parties
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is weird - NEVER heard of it nor would it have crossed my mind!
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]haha, me either
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My mom brought blue cheese to a party and had someone want to throw it out because it expired like 2 days before or something. She was like "i
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^"It's BLUE cheese lady!" No kids (or pregnant ladies) at this party.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]cheese doesn't really go "bad" anyway
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]EXACTLY. And it's a sell-by date, not a "this food will immediately develop colonies of salmonella, listeria and e coli" date.
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]at fairway they even post signs about how "sell-by dates" are required in the US, but no such thing exists where most of the cheese is produced (france, spain, uk, etc), and they are meaningless
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I was asked by a mother to watch a group of parents' children because they had tickets to a benefit dinner and they knew dh and I "weren't attending"
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]now, that is just RUDE
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ouch that was bitchy! What did you do? End up watching them?
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]funny, I posted this yesterday and never knew anyone responded to me! No, I did not watch them, I sort of looked confused for a second when she asked me and said, that I wasn't available and then, she offered to PAY me ("of course we would pay you, she says) and I was like "NO" (in a really high pitched voice), while shuffling my dcs away from her.
[ Reply | Options ]05.08.09, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Not a totally sanctimonious thing, but still annoyed - I am pregnant and still keeping my clothes regardless, bff searches through my closet and says "You know..... you're not going to get any skinnier now or after bubs is born, do you mind if I have your clothes?".... ahhhhhh NO!
[ Reply | Options ]05.07.09, 08:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]haha
[ Reply | Options ]05.08.09, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh MAN! Too funny. An honest and tactless friend. I like her! ;)
[ Reply | Options ]05.08.09, 06:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] have a toddler with nut allergies and just found an open bag of cracker jacks in a bo... 25 replies
- carefully. Finally, to what extent have you discussed the allergy with your nanny? Does she understand the implications of...the back story here. how serious are the peanut allergies? how long ago was child diagnosed? has this ever...wash hands afterwards? has nanny been informed of the allergy and it's seriousness?...
- can trust -- I wouldn't be on OP's case about having a nanny -- food allergies are very easily managed with basic sanitation...
Talk : : May 04, 2009
have a toddler with nut allergies and just found an open bag of cracker jacks in a bottom cabinet in my kitchen. nanny walked in this morning and i asked if it was hers and she said yes. i lost it. wwyd?
25 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.04.09, 05:04 AM [ Flag ]I'd let her go. That's really stupid and incompetent.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]geez, im so distraught about this. she is sweet with my kids and flexible. but i know this is bad. its just that i see so many rude impatient nannies with kids at these little classes in the city and i feeel like id be getting rid of someone who i know is patient with the kids
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yeah, and someone patient enough to have to calmly perform CPR when your child has a reaction to the peanut residue that could have been left on her hands after pigging out on said cracker jacks!
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
fire her. Irresponsible and piggish.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, thanks. im going to be sick. this stresses me out so much. she"s been with us over a year and kids do like her.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]how do you find someone new that you know will be sweet with kids and is responsible???
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I guess my question would be was this the first issue (and yes, I realize how GRAVE this issue is) you have had with the nanny. I have no idea why she would do this, but maybe seeing you "lose it" was enough tell her that she can NEVER, EVER do something like that again
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, I have no clue how your nanny is and if you've had issues with her before. BUT, I would let it go if this was the first time. How much does she know about your child's allergies?
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I started having problems w/ a nanny I'd been using for 12 mos. She was warm and patient w/ my baby so it was very hard to let her go. But she didn't respect me -- would break rules I'd given her behind my back, not respect dd's nap times, feed her things I'd specifically told her not too. It took me four months to fire her (tried warnings first) and by the time I did it got really petty and unpleasant. Was hard to find a new person but when I finally did she was a million times better.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh wow. very helpful. thanks. how did you find someone new?
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 06:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh, god, it was brutal. I advertised in the Irish Times, and other places. I interviewed dozens of people. Hired a couple and fired them right away. Finally I called a name off a lampost in the nabe and this person turned out to be our Mary Poppins: young, fun, warm as toast, and totally reliable. We loved her, and she loved us. Happy ending!
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think that it was foolish, but if you like her I would just discuss it. Tell her she has to be much more careful then that and that you don't want her to bring in any snack to the house that has nuts. It's pretty simple.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree with above poster, as a mom with 2 dcs with nut allergies. I would re-explain the issue, and have her practice with the demonstrator epi pen a few times. Just the thought of having to use the pen keeps our nanny extra vigilent.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]another mom of a dc with nut allergies. i think a lot of it depends on the back story here. how serious are the peanut allergies? how long ago was child diagnosed? has this ever been discussed with the nanny? does this child still nap, b/c if not, when exactly is the nanny eating this? does nanny know to wash hands afterwards? has nanny been informed of the allergy and it's seriousness?
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
A few points here. The first one is that some people on here seem to be acting like the fact that she was "pigging out" on Cracker Jacks is as bad as the allergy situation itself. Get over yourself. The second issue is that a growing number of experts are changing their tune on "residues". Talk to an allergist about it. Many are now recommending that peanut products be allowed in the house as long as they are used carefully. Finally, to what extent have you discussed the allergy with your nanny? Does she understand the implications of nut products? Have you expressed your feelings on how you want foods separated? How severe is your child's allergy? There is not enough information here to warrant the "FIRE HER!" responses.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think the residue issue isn't hte point here. the point is that it *is* a medical situation and the op, as the parent, gets to designate the household rules. so if she ever said "don't bring peanut products into the house", then it's a fire-able offense, imo. (is there a correct word of spelling for that?) i'm also curious if the op keeps the house completely nut free.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Since there are about 2 peanuts in boxes of cracker jacks now, maybe she didn't realize they have nuts?
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's what I was thinking. a lot of people are just not aware. it's your job to give her a list and show her the packages of things that could have hidden nuts in them. Educate her --she'll probably be more vigilant than someone new having made a scary mistake. My best friend's kids have allergies and I'm super aware and always worried and still have to ask her about it from time to time. And I'm super diligent. I say give her a chance to prove she can make it right.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
tell her to put them on the top shelf instead.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If this is the only issue you have with her I'd give her another chance. Stress the importance of this.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can only really trust you/dh and family with your kids, nannies are basically employees there is that 1 in a million chance of finding one that really cares about your kids but to most of them it's just a job.
[ Reply | Options ]05.04.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Here's a thought: Raise your own kid! If dc is that allergic, you shouldn't trust care to anyone. If dc has a reaction, it's your fault.
[ Reply | Options ]05.12.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have a kid with food allergies and the problem with this attitude is that at SOME point your child will have to leave home to go to school -- or a party, a friend's house, a playdate, etc. I am a SAHM but my kid goes to preschool a few AMs a week, you have to figure out who you can trust -- I wouldn't be on OP's case about having a nanny -- food allergies are very easily managed with basic sanitation and careful avoidance of the allergenic foods. Your comment was thoughtless.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]agreed. what is this mom supposed to do--handcuff herself to dc for the rest of the kid's life?
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The odds are slightly greater than one in a million. And even those nannies who see it as a "job" often still recognize the importance of having someone else's life in their hands. The "just a job" thing doesn't fly - you put your life in the hands of many people whose care over you is "just a job". That said, most of the nannies in this city are terrible, and the fact that so many of them are hired says a lot about the priorities of people in New York.
[ Reply | Options ]05.18.09, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I just gave my DS peanut butter for the first time. If he is going to have an allerg... 10 replies
- 't always have as defined of a border as pimples. Good call on the doctor. You don't want to risk it with food allergies. Hives also tend to get bigger as you itch or it persists....
- them, then about 2 minutes later started pawing at tongue and threw up. got tested a week later with diagnosis of peanut allergy...
Talk : : May 01, 2009
I just gave my DS peanut butter for the first time. If he is going to have an allergic reaction, when will it happen, and what should I look for? Am a bit nervous....
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.01.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag ]It would happen almost immediately. Look for troubled breathing, swelling of the face, hives, itching...
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]when mine first reacted, he started coughing and coughing - couldn't stop. He also tugged at his ears/scratched at his neck, saying his throat was itchy. I hear some break out in hives.
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks to both of you. He just got some pimples/hives (what's the difference) under his eye, so I've called doctor.
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]give him some benadryl!
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]depends on the age...the doctor will tell you
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
hives don't always have as defined of a border as pimples. Good call on the doctor. You don't want to risk it with food allergies. Hives also tend to get bigger as you itch or it persists.
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
FYI, it doesn't always happen the first time. You may not get hives. they may just act weird.
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]he will first of all tell you he does not like the taste. my DC ate some reeses pieces and at first said liked them, then about 2 minutes later started pawing at tongue and threw up. got tested a week later with diagnosis of peanut allergy
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^^ then told me that the taste was terrible after all
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
really, that fast 1st try? So if il's gave db a lick of PB he is not allergic and no worries from here out (5 months)
[ Reply | Options ]05.01.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] ive read that babies cant be diagnosed with allergies - family history of eczema, al... 3 replies
- food allergies, yes, but seasonal allergies were diagnosed when ds was 3....
Talk : : April 25, 2009
ive read that babies cant be diagnosed with allergies - family history of eczema, allergies and ashthma. anyione have a child under 1 that's been diagnosed w allergies?
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]04.25.09, 04:46 AM [ Flag ]mine did but he also broke out all over in hives when he had something with milk in it
[ Reply | Options ]04.25.09, 05:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]food allergies, yes, but seasonal allergies were diagnosed when ds was 3.
[ Reply | Options ]04.25.09, 05:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Go to a good ped. allergist (Dr. Sampson at Mt Sinai is the best) and they can do scratch tests on the arm. Went to test dc for seasonal and discovered he was allergic to nuts. Per md kept him off nuts til 3 and now not allergic at all! It's really useful to know these things.
[ Reply | Options ]04.25.09, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Could my almost one year old have a topical allergy to chicken and turkey? When he ha... 5 replies
- were either foods seasoned in anything? Or breaded?...
- What does the rash look like? Allergy hives are usually larger and swollen looking vs. eczema or irritated skin....
- red with little bumps, but it's appearing when he eats those foods (has happened multiples times, and when I have cooked those foods with...'s not hives, then it's not an allergy. My db has allergies and also sensitive skin, so we've seen both types of rash and...
Talk : : April 16, 2009
Could my almost one year old have a topical allergy to chicken and turkey? When he has eaten those foods with just a diaper on he has gotten a crazy rash on his stomach? And also, should I assume he will be allergic to eggs (we haven't tried those yet) and not make a bday cake with eggs in it? I have no experience with allergies.
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]04.16.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag ]were either foods seasoned in anything? Or breaded?
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 10:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nope.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What does the rash look like? Allergy hives are usually larger and swollen looking vs. eczema or irritated skin.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not like hives. More eczema like, red with little bumps, but it's appearing when he eats those foods (has happened multiples times, and when I have cooked those foods with absolutely nothing else.) I'm puzzled.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If it's not hives, then it's not an allergy. My db has allergies and also sensitive skin, so we've seen both types of rash and been tested multiple times at our allergist. Most likely it's contact/sensitivity. Maybe when you feed him turkey/chicken he rubs his tummy more often than when he eats other foods. Or more of it falls out of his mouth. Try coating his tummy with Aquaphor or Vaseline (regular petroleum jelly) before you feed him chicken/turkey, so that there's a barrier. If there's still a rash, then you might want to talk to your ped to get suggestions for a dermatologist or allergist.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] vegetarians, please help: i am above my ideal weight (5'9" and 157lbs), but not obese... 38 replies
- average. Home made Indian, Chinese, Moroccan, Greek, and Italian food are great ways to go....
- wanting to eat ehalthy, but if you eliminate junk food, sugary stuff, refined carbs, you could achieve your goals...you can think of (energy level, toxins in animal-based foods, allergies, environmental, and for some of us, moral)....already slim, lost over ten pounds without restricting my food consumption whatsoever. I think one big difference is that...
Talk : : April 15, 2009
vegetarians, please help: i am above my ideal weight (5'9" and 157lbs), but not obese. i am 40 and need to lose over the next 6 or 7 months. i have tried everything and cannot stick to any diet (although low carbing has worked in the past). during the last 3 days i have decided to try a vegetarian approach, so i can have grains, fruits, and good carbs ususally not allowed in the other diets. i feel much better, not craving things. do you think this will help my weight loss? thanks
38 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]04.15.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag ]no, i don't think so. Protein is so key to weight loss and it's hard to get enough as a veg. But, I'm 5'5 and your weight (post par) so maybe my advice isn't so helpful.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]When I became a "no cows milk" vegetarian I was competing in track and field. I improved greatly and increase my muscle weight by 2 pounds and loss 4 pounds of fat. Vegetarians eat a lot of beans (black, chick, northern beans), soy milk or cows (though I stopped eating cows because it slows athletes down due to lactic acid build up in the muscles). They also eat fish, shrimp, eggs. I have been vegetarian for 16 years now. Even when prego. I had a fat baby 97% though, I my self, am smaller then average. Home made Indian, Chinese, Moroccan, Greek, and Italian food are great ways to go.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am planning to keep fish and as well as cows low fat milk in the beginning. but I am very "scared" to eat corn, rice, etc, since they are almost forbidden in other diets. I hope it works, because I felt “satisfied” during these last days, which never happened in other diets.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ do you consume canned beans or you cook them from scratch? thanks
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Veg here. My DH and I love love love food ! Treat yourself to a nice cooking pot and frying pan and go to town ! Think of it as food exploration. Enjoy all the new tastes try out new seasoning. Take a cooking class. Some veggie food is bad. But there are 5 million vegetarians in the U.S. and they eat food from around the world. It is hard not to have fun with it and get excited about the accomplishment of a great new dish. Try something new ! Eat a variety.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Check out the ethnic isles in the grocery store. I would replace two meals a week with vegetarian for now and work your way to 4. You will reap the benefits. Eventually you will get to 5 and then 6 days. And enjoy.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What you need to do is eliminate animal meat and protein, and all forms of dairy. Replace with plant proteins. Your diet should consist primarily of raw veggies, fruits, a limited amount of whole grains and nuts/seeds.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is difficult, because it is very restrictive and I believe I will not be able to carry on.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: sounds like you could use weight watchers. you don't seem to like extremes - low carb, vegetarian, etc. check out ww or jenny.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Plant protein is important but some veggies need to be cooked like potatoes and squash.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's VEGAN, not vegetarian.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I just started the phenomenally successful "Skinny Bitch" book, and it seems to me that's what they're telling me in the first chapter. I just don't think I can do it though. Was vegan years ago, but married to a complete carnivore---I think it's impossible.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Try just two veggie meals a week. Indian, Italian (eggplant parm?) or Chinese is an easy way to go. Replace another night with seafood. And there you have 3 of 7 meals vegetarian. And less cholesterol.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]eggplant parm is less cholesterol? I don't think so!
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you kidding? Indian, Italian & Chinese foods are typically extremely high in fat.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Your BMI is only 23. If you work out and get into good shape you wouldn't even have to lsoe weight, 157 would be fine for your height. But you'd probably get down into the lower 150's-
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But I have too much fat. I wanted to "lose the fat" and then work to build muscles. Also, i want to eat on a "plan' that I feel satisfied, and the other diets always left me longing for that corn on the cob 9i do not need the butter), rice, roasted potatos, etc...
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Building the muscles willhelp to lsoe the fat, especially for women older than 35 as muscle mass starts to decrease. I udnerstand about wanting to eat ehalthy, but if you eliminate junk food, sugary stuff, refined carbs, you could achieve your goals without dieting or becoming vegetarian.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i do not eat unhealthy, i just eat A LOT. my husband is an amazing cook, and i overeat, and because i am always cutting the carbs, I eat a lot and do not feel satisfied. so i thought that by allowing myself the good carbs and cutting the heavy calories protein, i could do better. i agree with the workout, but it is a struggle.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you should add a vegetarian soup with your meals (carrot soup; vegetable soup, especially one that is pureed)(check out the original moosewood cookbook from library for your husband!). and a hearty vegetable. cut up cucumber or beets.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 07:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]also helps to have a protein rich breakfast. what works for me is egg whites on rye toast. have m-f for breakfast!
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is m-f - sorry for ignorance
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]sorry- monday through friday!
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
another question: do you buy regular eggs and dispose the yolks or you buy the eggs in the carton? thanks
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i buy my breakfast at work. egg beaters are good though and there is less waste.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks again.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no problem. have come up with several filling meals for both us: sauteed brocoli rabe and a baked potato, with a vegetarian soup of your choice; pumpkin ravioli over greens; iceburg lettuce with beets and crumbled feta cheese; sweet potato, arugla, and chick peas salad; asparagus omlette; veggie dumplings and sauteed green beans (get dumplings in chinatown or at fresh direct). i really think i need to become a vegetarian chef.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks, very sweet of you. and I looove dumplings. i have to start thinking with a vegetarian mind.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
AGREED! We need to shift our view of ideal weight in this country-
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Most likely yes, as long as you exercise and not overdue it on the "good carbs." Some good vegan/vegetarian blogs out there to give you good food ideas: fat free vegan kitchen; vegan yum yum; vegan lunch box.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i feel so much better. it is weird, and i also did not eat too much. during the last 3 days i did not lose any weight though.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you don'te weight in 3 days! You clearly just need to learn portion control and exercise. i think that would get you where you want to be. Everyone can exrecise 30 mintues a day, even if it means sleeping 30 minutes less. That's really the only way you'll lose weight and keep it off at 40.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's right. i hope it works, because i feel great and i also do not feel that i am deprived from the foods i like, although i am eating them in moderation.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 08:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i dont eat red meat...i do eat chicken and fish, but try to eat less of both. wheneever i have a vegan lunch, if i do it correctly, i always feel better. lunch yesterday that filled me up: fresh greens with cup of chick peas; cup of blueberries with lowfat yogurt.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would recommend a vegan diet (i.e., no animal products including dairy and eggs) for weight loss as well as just about every other reason you can think of (energy level, toxins in animal-based foods, allergies, environmental, and for some of us, moral). I went from almost vegetarian (eating fish occasionally) to vegan, and, though I was already slim, lost over ten pounds without restricting my food consumption whatsoever. I think one big difference is that when you are vegan you cannot be tempted by a lot of the "extras" like baked goods which contain dairy and eggs -- this results in a lower sugar intake as well. It also makes you think more about what you are eating and why you are eating it. (Number one, I guarantee you will not eat out as much because it's not easy when you're vegan.) There are plenty of plant-based protein sources.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i hear you, but i do not think i am ready for it. i feel very happy with my vegetarian diet right now. i will give it some time, see if it works and then maybe later start "removing" items in order to move into vegan. i will fail brutally if i go vegan now.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Former veg here. It can be unhealthy if you rely too heavily on carbs and cheese. But otherwise, it's hard to be overweight as a vegetarian. I used to limit myself to one cheese-oriented meal per day (cheese sandwich, slice of pizza, whatever) and stick to veggies, whole grains, fruit, legumes and low-fat dairy the rest of the time. I felt great for about 5 years, then suddenly craved meat constantly so I listened to my body and started eating meat again.
[ Reply | Options ]04.16.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] My 3 yr old has some food allergies, and was invited over to a friend's house for lun... 13 replies
- -- yeah, I am pretty nervous with her around food when I am not around. She does go to...
- Just make sure that everyone knows about the allergy and teach her that she's only allowed to...
- OP here -- One allergy book I read had a mom explain that her...
- OK, just as an FYI "Dd has food allergies so we usually bring her food...would offer but she should decline and just serve food your child can eat (that is what I do...
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My 3 yr old has some food allergies, and was invited over to a friend's house for lunch/playdate. (I'd be there, too). I would like to bring my own food from home -- and I'd explain why to the mom (who I know a bit, and who is very nice, and actually outgrew a food allergy of her own). It's not rude to bring my dd's own food, is it? I just feel like it is safer for her and easier on the hostess. Just making sure this isn't considered really off of me to ask. Otherwise we could just go right after lunch instead?
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]04.15.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag ]not rude at all. my gf just had to take her 2 yo to the ER because she didn't bring food and dc was fed PB. get used to being assertive about this.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]VERY assertive about it. Especially when your child is a little older and hacing drop-off playdates with nannies who don't speak fluent English.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here -- yeah, I am pretty nervous with her around food when I am not around. She does go to preschool but the teachers are great and trained to use epipen. I don't mind being rude if it means protecting my kid but I'd obviously prefer to handle things in a way that is respectful of other people...
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 10:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just make sure that everyone knows about the allergy and teach her that she's only allowed to eat the things you send for her. And if there is some special treat being had, that someone needs to CALL you for the ok. I find that sending a treat with her that she can share with her friend helps. Sometimes. It's frustrating, but it needs to be done. As long as she is polite, nobody should be offended.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ths is a good idea -- how old is your dc, and what are htey allergic to? THanks for the advice!
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 10:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]6 and a variety of nuts. Thus far no (major) emergencies, but constantly afraid. For us, playdates are the primary concern. Don't want her to grow up fearful so we have to encourage her to go to friends' houses. But there is a constant and underlying problem with the nannies. Many of them are lovely people, but it can be hard to truly communicate the severity of the situation with them.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 11:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My 6 y/o nephew is deathly allergic to peanuts. He knows what he can eat and what he can't and when he has a doubt (which can be very often), he knows to ask for something he knows he can eat (fruit, etc.). A little healthy fear can save their lives, but at some point DC will have to learn to take responsibility for themselves. GL.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Which is all well and good unless you're dealing with someone who does not understand the severity of the situation, like I said. DD knows that she can eat goldfish. She knows that she can eat crackers. However one of her friend's nannies once offered her crackers that had been in a bag next to peanut butter cookies. That's where the problems lie.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here -- One allergy book I read had a mom explain that her son had an allergic reaction to eating a sandwich that was cut by the same knfie as a p.b. sandwich. I think these things, sadly, happen a lot. Stressful as can be but hopefully they'll find a cure for this and it will all be moot someday!
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This is nice of you ! It saves the other mom from worrying about what she can offer and not. It makes life easier for everyone. But yes you should always mention it to new play-date's moms.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OK, just as an FYI "Dd has food allergies so we usually bring her food with us, I hope that's okay." or something?
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 04:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would love that.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would offer but she should decline and just serve food your child can eat (that is what I do for friends with allergies). If you are there she can even it past you before serving.
[ Reply | Options ]04.15.09, 04:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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