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[+] someone distract me. i'm tired of feeling sorry for myself. can't we have a stupid a... 23 replies
- that is such a nice post - only someone who has been through hell can understand. signed, someone about to try ivf#7 and considering DE....
- DE? I know someone who went thru IVF 7 times and has 4 kids. Believe me, hang in there. After 5 miscarriages, we started the adoption process. The...
Talk : : February 15, 2009
someone distract me. i'm tired of feeling sorry for myself. can't we have a stupid argument about something?
23 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.15.09, 05:03 PM [ Flag ]-
lol. not quite a change of subject, is that?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Happy longtime public school parent here. What exactly is the cause of your misery? (Schools obviously...but what's your situation.)
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, not schools. you know the nut that has been posting for two days about her miscarriage? that's me. now i'm having a panic attack and i really need to be distracted.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm so sorry. I've never had an mc. It must be just terrible.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Let's talk. Where did you go to college and what did you major in?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. economics major from a cuny school. i was just thinking recently that it seems like nearly all posters here are college graduates. do you think that's accurate?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree. I was a music major. Leaving tomorrow to go visit my alma mater. First time in 14 years!
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]cool! that's going to be an experience. we were such babies when we were in college. at least, i was. do you do anything related to your degree now?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I do. I was a voice major. I still sing some professionally (small stuff) and teach lessons. Used to work in classical music radio. How did or didn't you use your econ degree?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]for a couple of years i worked in financial companies. then i switched fields and although i'm not working in finance/economics now, i got my job b/c they were impressed with my financial background.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I've had 5 miscarriages and 2 healthy children after 9 1/2 years of fertility issues that ran the gamut. My heart truly goes out to you. It will get better, I promise. Be good to yourself and let yourself feel whatever you may feel. Don't pretend, just go with the flow :)
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. i'm really lucky b/c i had healthy kids before the miscarriages. which i think makes it easier for me philosophically. but it's so hard to have it snatched away. trying to readjust all my thinking, all my plans, etc. and the anxiety. this feeling of instability b/c you start realizing anything can happen and it can happen to you, not just to other people.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What the miscarriages and fertility have given me is perspective. When I'm exhausted (which is a lot these days), I remember how sad and hopeless I felt without my kids. Be grateful, which I know you already are, so push through this. I know that having a plan is comforting, but life gives us what we want and don't want. Do something special for yourself this week (eat a brownie, go a for a walk, get a massage, read a junky magazine...something!)
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks very much.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: that is such a nice post - only someone who has been through hell can understand. signed, someone about to try ivf#7 and considering DE.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]de?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]donor egg.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you feel empowered by having the option or do you feel like it's a last resort, hail mary type of thing?
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]totally empowered and hopeful. not hail mary at all. the odd are so much better than the crap i have seen with my own eggs. wish i had moved to it sooner.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that sounds great. good luck!
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 06:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
DE? I know someone who went thru IVF 7 times and has 4 kids. Believe me, hang in there. After 5 miscarriages, we started the adoption process. The adoption fell through and we lost the baby girl. I now have a 3 yo boy and 10 week old girl....one of each! I'm not overly religious, but GOD has a plan! We are blessed and so will you be!
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. i think my plan is to move on to donor egg - tired of waiting for god to figure things out for me.
[ Reply | Options ]02.15.09, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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[+] Anybody hear about what the octomom's fertility doctor did. He did IVF on a 49 year o...
Talk : : February 14, 2009
[+] I was watching Dateline with Octupussy last night. She has 3 kids with various soecia... 13 replies
- np: how did she get $ for ivf? isn't that hella expensive? and does she have any help w/ her kids?? i can barely take care of two kids by myself. go figure 6 or 8 or 14!!...
Talk : : February 14, 2009
I was watching Dateline with Octupussy last night. She has 3 kids with various soecial needs (autism, speech delay/"tiny amount of autism", & I can't remember). They said she receives $ for their disabilities. Does that mean she gets money to pay for their services, while here in NYC we just get services either in or out of school? Financial payment doesn't strike me as a good way of doing it. Anyone know? I have heard that NYC has a much better quality than most states including CA.
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.14.09, 04:33 AM [ Flag ]NY does have top-notch services. I didn't see the Dateline, but I know my sil is a speech pathologist, and she says NY has some of the best services in the country (and that the test to be certified in the state of NY was much harder than in other states). When our ds was in Early Intervention for speech in NJ, we had to pay on a sliding scale. But, I hear in NY, EI is free.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 04:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, I have heard NYC is great comparatively from many people in the biz. But why would CA just give $? There must be some rules about how you use it as otherwise a mom could spent on whatever, right?
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's true. MANY poor people move to NY state with their kids who need services--even if they're broke enough to be homeless (because NY state also guarantees shelter for families).
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Let's hope she doesn't pull up stakes and head here. We'll all be wearing barrels after we cough up for that idiot's brood.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
omg. is she being called Octopussy?! lol. hadn't heard that before.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Someone on UB posted that the other day. Fitting, I think.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Perez started it. Hilarious.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Don't know, but I hope they're not just sending her a check. You KNOW she's spending it on acrylic nails and plastic surgery. And exactly how does a woman with six kids get enough time/rest to recover from PS? This woman is a scammer extraodinaire!
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: how did she get $ for ivf? isn't that hella expensive? and does she have any help w/ her kids?? i can barely take care of two kids by myself. go figure 6 or 8 or 14!!
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The check is for the child. She has put the child on disibility, it's supposed to be life long. I think the check is federal. so she's getting three disability checks per month. The state or city she lives in also provides services and schooling.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So does it go into a trust? Is it supposed to used for food/shelter? My kid can't work either, but we still shell out for food/shelter ourselves.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 10:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No the mother can spend every dime anyway they want. There are many cases of fraud, kids on disibility when there's nothing wrong with them. Mothers can get doctors to fill out paperwork by claiming they've seen child have seizure... things like that.
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 11:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So why does an autistic child need money?
[ Reply | Options ]02.14.09, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Thinking about TTC#3. 3yo conceived IVF, 9mo pregnant naturally after 1 failed IVF. ... 3 replies
- Not exactly bleeding for you with #3. IVF was awful and I never would do it for a third child. Crazy!...
Talk : : February 13, 2009
Thinking about TTC#3. 3yo conceived IVF, 9mo pregnant naturally after 1 failed IVF. But with 9mo it was a surprise and due to low hormone level they gave me progesterone suppositories.....officially I always had unexplained infertility, but I am now 36 and worried I won't be able to get pregnant again.
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.13.09, 08:40 PM [ Flag ]Not exactly bleeding for you with #3. IVF was awful and I never would do it for a third child. Crazy!
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 08:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, definitely don't want to do IVF...just want to have another baby....I know I am so blessed already with 2
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 08:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]IN my little NYC bubble 36 is considered young to be having even number one. You have many years to get pg. You should be totally fine.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 09:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Arrgghh. Started IVF #4 today. Started Lupron shot and then realized Lupron shots sho...
Talk : : February 13, 2009
[+] For IVF'ers - did you do anything to mentally/physically "prepare" for the first cycl... 4 replies
- I didn't do IVF but wanted to wish you luck!...
Talk : : February 13, 2009
For IVF'ers - did you do anything to mentally/physically "prepare" for the first cycle, and did it help? Doing acupuncture and trying to eat heathily, but that's about it.
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.13.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag ]I didn't do IVF but wanted to wish you luck!
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. Acupuncture and a healthy meal service (Nutropia) both times. Worked once! Now we're trying again. No acupuncture, but eating well, lots of water... who knows!
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just did acupuncture, once a week for about 6-weeks prior. Then before and after on the big day. They only transferred one embryo and it stuck - I'm now 11-weeks! Good luck! Oh, and I also cut out caffeine and alcohol completely.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How soon before the procedures did you cut out alcohol and caffeine? I've switched to decaf and am not a huge drinker, although I enjoy wine. I thought I would try to enjoy the Valentine's Day weekend with some wine, and then truly abstain. I'm on BCP and start Lupron on February 20th. My retrieval and transfer will be early in March.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I was cancelled from ivf on day 8. today, is day 29 and no period. I'm usually 27/28 ...
Talk : : February 12, 2009
[+] trying to conceive again--first dc was easy to conceive, now having a hard time. Any ... 2 replies
- It took me 15 months to conceive my third baby after an 18 year hiatus. LOL. I had the dreaded unexplained/secondary infertility. Ugh. Low FSH. No medical issues. I was ovulating. Had 1 failed IUI and 1 failed IVF. Found out the IVF failed on my 37th birthday. Ugh. But I'm now 30 weeks pregnant. I have to say acupuncture if you can afford it and chinese herbs if you are into alternative medicines. Also temping. I didn't get pregnant from temping alone, but I found...
Talk : : February 12, 2009
trying to conceive again--first dc was easy to conceive, now having a hard time. Any special conceiving tricks and tips?
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.12.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag ]It took me 15 months to conceive my third baby after an 18 year hiatus. LOL. I had the dreaded unexplained/secondary infertility. Ugh. Low FSH. No medical issues. I was ovulating. Had 1 failed IUI and 1 failed IVF. Found out the IVF failed on my 37th birthday. Ugh. But I'm now 30 weeks pregnant. I have to say acupuncture if you can afford it and chinese herbs if you are into alternative medicines. Also temping. I didn't get pregnant from temping alone, but I found it helped me to really get to know my cycle. Big difference between getting pregnant at 17 than at 37.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Try the OvuQuick ovulation kit. You can get it over the counter at non-chain pharmacies. If you ask, they will order one for you. It is much more accurate than the brands sold at Duane Reade/RiteAid.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] do you believe in acupuncture and chinese herbs to enhance fertility and help IVF? 6 replies
- Yes! My first IVF failed though I did acupuncture. But I went to a new...she put me on Chinese Herbs 3 months before my second IVF, but I got pregnant the good ol' fashion way. Now 30...a coincidence but I was thrilled to have to cancel my second IVF because I was already pregnant. LOL. I did paperwork, testing,...August and found out I was pregnant in August. My second IVF was to start the first week of September. Was on the...
Talk : : February 12, 2009
do you believe in acupuncture and chinese herbs to enhance fertility and help IVF?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.12.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag ]i think acup. can help with fertility
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think they can help sometimes, but they didn't work for me
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes! My first IVF failed though I did acupuncture. But I went to a new acupuncturist and she put me on Chinese Herbs 3 months before my second IVF, but I got pregnant the good ol' fashion way. Now 30 weeks. The acupuncture and herbs could have been a coincidence but I was thrilled to have to cancel my second IVF because I was already pregnant. LOL. I did paperwork, testing, even a cut a check for the second IVF.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did she give you an idea of how long the treatment takes to be effective? In other words would acupuncture for several weeks be helpful?
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ideally she likes to start 6 months before the procedure but she felt 3 months would be enough time for me to get the benefits from the acupuncture and herbs. I think part of the reason she put me on the herbs was because I was working with a 3-month timeframe. I went to her in June, July and part of August and found out I was pregnant in August. My second IVF was to start the first week of September. Was on the schedule and everything at NYU. LOL. She's Victoria Koos at Yin & Tonic.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Many congratulations by the way. What a relief not to have to go through that awful experience again.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I was cancelled from ivf on day 8. today, is day 29 and no period. I'm usually 27/2... 1 reply
Talk : : February 11, 2009
I was cancelled from ivf on day 8. today, is day 29 and no period. I'm usually 27/28 cycle. abdt? does it usually come later
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag ]Mine came two weeks after I was scheduled to get my period. I did go in for a PG test though just to make sure in the meantime.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Posts on OctoMom are so tired. Like it or not her many kids are here - donate towards... 26 replies
- I think it should be examined and maybe this will prompt the ivf medical field to start self-regulating a little stricter. There needs to be some checks and balances....
- as we may think it - we was just "using up" the embryos from past IVF attempts. Apparently she had used 6 embryos on each of her past attempts and all...was a quack. She should have had no more than 2 embryos implanted during each IVF for her age range. At the most 3 if she wanted to be pushy. An...
Talk : : February 11, 2009
Posts on OctoMom are so tired. Like it or not her many kids are here - donate towards her kids or zip it.
26 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag ]I think it should be examined and maybe this will prompt the ivf medical field to start self-regulating a little stricter. There needs to be some checks and balances.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]On UB? I think lessons have been learned.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sure. it's just another social outlet for expressing thoughts, view, etc. were you around when the election was going on. there were a lot of political hashing, etc. it's good and healthy to do that, including doing that on ub.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Those kids should be adopted out into families who can properly take care of them.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I suppose ther aren't horror stories about maltreated adopted kids.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry, but a person with NO income other than dole money and parents of modest means can't possibly care for 14 children. Fact.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And that whatisthecouples name that have 13 kids and still going are better parents?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The Duggars? Yes they are better parents.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]having 13 dcs is child abuse. no matter how much money they have.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]They have 18 kids, actually. A few are over 18. No IVF. Would I do this? No. But I have a hell of a lot more respect for them than I do for Nadya Suleman.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]itda. why should i respect someone for not knowing when to stop i know someone who was one of fourteen and he claims it was tantamount to child abuse. he wrote a book about it actually. i see the duggers and nadya suleman in the same light.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Jim Bob Duggar has fairly significant real estate holdings, actually. They get NO govt money.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]They did at one point. Someone dug it up from one of those cable news shows. Not that I'm holding it against them, but they are not all that pristine themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they also pay NO taxes.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
LOL. I gave (and will continue to give) when I send my big tax checks. So I'll comment if I like, thanks.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ah so you begrudge her a few food stamps???
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: as well as the disability payments made for her kids suffering from disabilities.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. Yes I do. Nothing short of a total abdication of responsibility to purposely get pregnant seven times over when you have NO means of supporting yourself and your children. Her attitude toward the autistic one is gross (seems thrilled that he needs her SO much). The woman belongs in a mental hospital and her kids should be placed for adoption.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Don't forget about the $50,000 grand of debt she's in and guess who will pay off that debt.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I do. Don't forget her <cough, cough> student loans and disability checks she gets. For one kid with ADHD and another with a speech delay. Give me a damn break.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You do realize that you've just contributed to giving her more attention, right?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]When she gets on TV and allows cameras into the hospital so everyone can gawk at her much too small babies, I'll talk about her all I want. I can't stand these high order multiple parents and their begging.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it should be noted that weird as we may think it - we was just "using up" the embryos from past IVF attempts. Apparently she had used 6 embryos on each of her past attempts and all but one had resulted in a single live birth (one set of twins) so it was not off the mark for her to expect one child out of this.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Only a quack of an MD would go along with that request. In any case, given that she's poor with no income, one would *think* six kids would be more than enough.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Her doctor was a quack. She should have had no more than 2 embryos implanted during each IVF for her age range. At the most 3 if she wanted to be pushy. An irresponsible quack doctor treating a crazy ass bitch for infertility. Recipe for disaster. But fertility treatments are so unregulated in this country, it's pretty much a free-for-all.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I think octuplet mom wants to be Angelina Jolie. 35 replies
- And she used it for living expenses and IVF and plastic surgery. Doesn't seem like enough....
- her desire and decisions to do so many ivf's with so many embryos is alarming, to...
- ivf is 25K at the most per cycle. it...honestly believe that she could afford plastic surgery, IVF treatments, clothing / feeding her children on roughly $18K...daily living expenses. her 165 went solely to ivf and surgeries....
Talk : : February 11, 2009
I think octuplet mom wants to be Angelina Jolie.
35 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag ]I can't believe she denies plastic surgery! They had tons of "before" pics of her, she was actually pretty without the weird lips.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She obviously needs help..mental that is. She seems to have issues deeper than she can admit. Bring 14 children into this world and thinking we're all going to dig into our pocket and pity her is insane. I feel sad for the kids.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i actually agree/sympathize with a lot of her statements. the thing that really made me feel she wasn't being realistic was her saying she'll get a job and make money with no problem. what kind of job is she going to get that will pay for childcare for eight kids. it's going to be four years before they are in school, even p/t. if i were her, i'd hire a couple of assistants and open up a daycare. (i, personally, would not send my kids to her. but she's educated, seems great with kids, and other than a small mental healthy issue, would be great at operating a daycare)
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL, I wouldn't have thougt of that. Do you always see the glass half full?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you serious?! she is a total psycho. nothing she says makes sense. open a daycare?? wow.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA with you. I was completely turned around in a good way by her interview. so many kids live in deplorable and horrible conditions and are physically and emotionally abused. she seems to at least really love her kids and came across somewhat intelligent, even if she is a bit naive and overly optimistic.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]With all due respect, you are way off the chart. This is not about being optimistic v. pessimistic. Bringing 14 kids into this world without any kind of meaningful plan or resources is irresponsible and abusive. The doctor who facilitated this is equally irresponsible, greedy, and unethical.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. And HE should foot the big for the whole brood.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly. I'm the OR and agree dr was the one who acted totally and reprehensibly irresponsibly. His license should be pulled immediately. as for the mom, don't see why is she is being treated so differently than the duggars who are on DC #19. imho, she's a lot smarter and wants the kids for better reasons than those crazies.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]They pay their own way. She doesn't. BIG difference.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
would love to be a fly on the wall in the duggar's master bedroom. mrs: "get the f#&*#&$ away from me!"
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Hmmmm. And I saw her as manic and delusional. ANYONE can "be good with kids" while the cameras are rolling, by the way.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np from above: other than financially, she was managing the other kids just fine. that's not easy. i think her desire and decisions to do so many ivf's with so many embryos is alarming, to say the least. but so many of her other comments made a lot of sense to me. and again, her kids certainly seem happy.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]am convinced you are stupid. she is not managing her other kids. they live with her mom. her mom is paying for everything, plus food stamps, plus disability pay. "they seem happy"?? how could you possibly know that and/or imagine that being cramped in a three bedroom house.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she is not managing her finances at all. that's different than handling the kids. granted, i'm basing my opinion on a short clip from a tv program.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np Pretty sure Caylee Anthony's mom could pretend to be mother of the year in the context of a one hour interview (if her kid was still alive).
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
She has ***14*** kids, not 8.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I felt so bad for the older ones during the interview... they seem to be aware of how much more their lives are about to suck.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
but her idol, angelina jolie, has had tons of plastic surgery, too. she could just afford better doctors. (and actually, she's looking pretty creepy these days herself.)
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Would love to know where Octomom got the cash for all that plastic surgery in addition to her 7 IVFs.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]me too.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she got a settlement from a riot that took place at the psychiatric ward she used to work at.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right. It was 165k. And she used it for living expenses and IVF and plastic surgery. Doesn't seem like enough.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ivf is 25K at the most per cycle. it's enough.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you honestly believe that she could afford plastic surgery, IVF treatments, clothing / feeding her children on roughly $18K a year? come on.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]her mother has been paying for daily living expenses. her 165 went solely to ivf and surgeries.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You mean, TAXPAYERS have been paying her living expenses.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
6 ivfs. one set of twins on ivf #5, and two sets on #6.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i think she just wants as much money and fame as possible.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow, did you think that up yourself or did you read it on every single trashy magazine cover and hear it on every crap tv news whow?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]may be old news but that was the first thing I thought when I saw her photo.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]old, old news. every time a clip of her is introduced on tv, the talking head says, "miss suleman, who CLEARLY emulates angelina jolie...."
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]angelina jolie must really like that!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Secret I will keep to death: Could have done selective reduction with my twins. Dh wa... 23 replies
- It's what was right for their families at the time. You know, if society is going to accept IVF and other extreme fertility treatments, it only makes sense to accept selective reduction to avoid the myriad problems that...selective reduction. that should not be something that is common knowledge. i also don't understand equating acceptance of ivf with acceptance of selective reduction....
Talk : : February 11, 2009
Secret I will keep to death: Could have done selective reduction with my twins. Dh wanted to abort both b/c didn't know was an option b/c he was freaked out b/c we already had one kid. I have no regrets about not telling him.
23 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag ]is he happy now? how old are they?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they are 4 yo. It is funny I mostly have no regrets at all but today they were absolute monsters. I went through a period where I had some regret b/c my family had offered to help me out both financially & with the kids & that never really happened & DH is very bitter. My mother begged me to keep them while DH's parents pressured to abort & try for one kid a year later.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Your in-laws sound like assholes.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Your dh sounds like a self centered jerk. Let me guess, he is an atheist.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: What has this to do with being an atheist? What an ignorant comment!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]A person with no religious beliefs would be quick to abort a fetus, because they worship themselves and what they want. It is all about them and what they want.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP. Very interesting. I never thought about atheism being linked to self-centeredness. I think you are right though. I love my DH, but he is an atheist and also very selfish / self centered. Glad more than ever my kids are going to Catholic school!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto here. Dh puts himself b4 kids & was so against it when I took them to Sunday School.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What a stupid, stupid remark! Where did you get this bias from? Do you actually know any atheists? I know a lot and they are very very dedicated, compassionate, empathetic people with strong humanistic and ethical values!
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
so did you abort both?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't blame you. Selective reduction just because you're freaked out is NOT a good reason. Bless you for keeping both!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you happy? we have 3 1/2 year old twins and we thought about selective reduction (were very afraid of pregnancy) -- couldn't imagine the thought now, it makes me want to just puke!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That would be a seriously fucked up thing to do. Can't imagine what the one allowed to live would feel like if they ever found out (though they might just have a feeling something's not as it should be).
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hmm? Selective reductions are very common.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In situations where there are high order multiples, perhaps. Among twin pregnancies? No.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Google Amy Richards about this one. She aborted one of her twins bc she simply didn't want him. She had the other one though. Interesting conversation that will be in a few years when her son finds out about his brother.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Whoops, I goofed. She was pg with triplets, not twins.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm surprised doctors would do selective reduction with twins -- I would imagine that the risk associated with aborting just one is higher than the risk associated with carrying twins. I thought the only reason they do selective reduction with high-risk, high-multiple pregnancies.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ditto
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP I went for a consult at Mt Sinai re Selective reduction. They showed me a video & I spoke to the drs about it. Very clear that would not be a medical decision but a lifestyle/financial choice. That was the clincher that it didn't make sense.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 03:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's a CHOICE. I have friends that reduced triplets to twins and friends that reduced twins to a single. It's what was right for their families at the time. You know, if society is going to accept IVF and other extreme fertility treatments, it only makes sense to accept selective reduction to avoid the myriad problems that can happen in multiple pregnancies and births (yes, even twins).
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are two things i don't understand. i don't understand what would possess someone to tell other people they had chosen selective reduction. that should not be something that is common knowledge. i also don't understand equating acceptance of ivf with acceptance of selective reduction.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No. No. No. These things are not all the same thing. Very disturbing of you to equate these things.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] big letter = accept? 10 replies
- please try ivf again for some girls....
Talk : : February 11, 2009
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[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]For some schools (like the one my dc goes to), yes. For others, I've heard it's a standard envelope.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: but certainly big letter would never be a ding. So big letter = accept; standard envelope = accept or ding.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right. And our particular big letter took until Tuesday to arrive.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Applying for octuplet boys to St. Ann's only (it's the only school we liked) - if we get a single fat letter, could that be 8 separate dings crammed into one envelope? Or should we expect 8 separate thin letters?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's a bad year for boys at Saint Ann's. It would have helped if at least a couple of the eight had been girls. Pity.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]please try ivf again for some girls.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]already done - my 12 girls are applying to prek this year - hope they all get into the Y with FA, bc that's all we applied to.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Duhhh, of course. Why would they reject in a big thick package.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Except for St. Bernard's which sends a postcard for accepts.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 08:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I am so bored! I wish I could find a job!! Not that i need the income, just from shea... 15 replies
- i am in the same boat as you, lost my job in june, haven't looked for a new one bc starting ivf next month, dh doesn't really want me to work, i would love to hear some volunteer options...
Talk : : February 11, 2009
I am so bored! I wish I could find a job!! Not that i need the income, just from shear boredom. Kids are in school (1 dc kinder, other 3days preschool) and i need something to keep me busy. i volunteer as it is, but it's not enough
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag ]sounds like a high class problem.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]hardly. we just don't have any debt so we can still afford one income. but, i've been a sahm for 5 years and i'm over it!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^also, i don't have the money to go to lunch & the spa/salon or shop all day!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what volunteering do you do?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]help at dc's school. probably about 5 hrs a week. leaves me with too much time on my hands only to do laundry/clean house
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are many more volunteer opportunities. or you can take a class, or teach yourself something. if i were you i'd cook all the time.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and get fat? no thanks! besides, cooking is solo - i need more stimulation and interaction with people. taking a class might be an option, but knowing me it'll probably not fit into my schedule
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i didn't say bake, i said cook. you don't need to make high fat foods. and you will never know if a class can work for you unless you look around.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'll look around. cooking is something i was into before and the novelty has worn off
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If you're bored, you're boring. What do you love to do?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i keep myself busy, but it's hard finding a job after being out of work for so long. plus, can't do full-time yet
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe not even work. take a class, attend lectures, other volunteer opportunities available doing something you love.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i am in the same boat as you, lost my job in june, haven't looked for a new one bc starting ivf next month, dh doesn't really want me to work, i would love to hear some volunteer options....just finished real estate course, maybe another course would be good...suggestions welcome...
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have you ever tried any of the interest or personality inventories. This is an online like the Myers Briggs. http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 10:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Survey: Petite moms -- did you go into labor before or after your due date? How much ... 4 replies
- my best friend is your size, she had twins (natural, not ivf). she went all the way to week 40 and both babies were ober 6lbs. i am big (5'9") and had my twins at 35 weeks, and they were 5lbs each!!!!...
Talk : : February 11, 2009
Survey: Petite moms -- did you go into labor before or after your due date? How much before or after? I'm small (5'2" 100lbs pre-pregnancy) and 35 wks preggo and just wondering if being petite makes a difference. Like, doesn't the baby run out of room!?
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag ]Nope, I'm almost identical in size to you and was one week late with #1 and induced on due date with #2 (did not go into labor early). Both dbs were 8lbs 9oz, so apparently they had room to grow! I believe size isn't as important as genetic predisposition -- did your mom go into labor early or late?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My mom went into labor 5.5 weeks early with me! And 2 wks early with my brother.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, I'd guess it's more likely you do go into labor early (although who knows?) My mom was the opposite.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my best friend is your size, she had twins (natural, not ivf). she went all the way to week 40 and both babies were ober 6lbs. i am big (5'9") and had my twins at 35 weeks, and they were 5lbs each!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] three minutes to octopussy on channel 4! 81 replies
- HOW is she affording all these IVF cycles at 10k a pop?!?!...
- and why is the AMA protecting him or her. Implanting 6 embryos? And he or she did this on all the previous IVF babies. Insanity. I had to fight NYU for 3 as anyone under the age of 38 they only implant 2....
Talk : : February 10, 2009
three minutes to octopussy on channel 4!
81 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.10.09, 06:57 PM [ Flag ]what is up with her lip implants? she cant even speak!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]her lips look like mine after I have an allergic reaction
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sexy!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
She makes me feel really hostile and angry. Clearly expects to cash in in a huge way since she doesn't have any income (except welfare, I'll bet), yet isn't the least bit worried about supporting 14 dcs.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it was confirmed, she is on welfare, yet she doesnt think of it as such. crazy woman
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]480 dollars in food-stamps. 3 children receiving disability money, but the amount wasn't disclose. Can't stand her Joker-mouth.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's wrong with the 3 kids? Would imagine she'll be getting 8 more disability checks for the octuplets. Vile woman.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she was very beautiful before her surgery. she's obviously looking for something on this earth to make her happy
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wonder where she got the dough to redo her face in a poor imitation of Angelina?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she wants more and more kids, just like women who want more and more surgery to feel good. oh wait that is her too!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]HOW is she affording all these IVF cycles at 10k a pop?!?!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]disability settlement, 165k
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But hasn't she been living off that too?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she lives with her parents, 3 of 6 kids get welfare, plus food stamps
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's wrong with the kids? What a total moron to have kids when she has no income--but to keep having them when she has multiple SN kids?!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]multiple SN kids? i thought just one was autistic
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't know. But wouldn't that one be enough--even for someone with a source of income (other than the government)?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i read three had disabilities, but sources declined to name the disabilities
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
And didn't give her parents 1 thin dime, though she is living in their house and the mom is helping with the children. Octo-cunt.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Octosponger
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what does she think of it as?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"the help her kids get"
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np Insane. SO glad not to be paying CA state taxes. Would make my blood boil.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but wait... i thought she said she would support her kids mentally, physically, and financially? that she was better than 99% of those "selfish" parents out there?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. They thrive on sunshine, oxygen, the odd sip of water (off a leaf) and twigs, you know.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
^^^Yes. Looks like she'll be confessing to being on the dole after the break. Biggest scammer of a welfare queen in history, I'd think.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She knew her joker-face would have to go back work after that youngest one turned 3 per Welfare's rules. I guess she bought her lazy ass more time by cranking out a litter of 8.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're right.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
SHE IS *INSANE*. She should keep her mouth shut if she wants any sympathy at all.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she is insane. she doesnt want sympathy, she wants attention. and the more insane, the more the media is eating it up. makes me crazy
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would be VERY surprised if, in 15 years, dd didn't open her college freshman psych textbook to see a giant picture of her. I'm no psych expert so I don't know what section she'll be in, but she'll definitely be there.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]totally. narcissism, body image, etc
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think you're right. Some sort of spawning syndrome.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm laughing so hard at your post, milk is coming out my nose. I can just see her big ol' joker face on Chapter 13 of the text book.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You KNOW she thinks she looks like Angelina, though.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hope she's not waiting on a Brad Pitt. No man in his right mind would ever, ever date this wack-job.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Wonder whose house this is? Guess dateline rented it for taping.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I read one of her parent's homes...
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
46 people to deliver. NICU for, what, 8 weeks. How many millions do you think that cost?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My hospital, NY-Pres estimates about 35 grand for a regular, non-complicated, vaginal delivery. Of course if you have insurance they will probably pick up the majority of the tab with you paying a few hundred out of pocket.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What's fascinating is that she doesn't think the constraints of real life and the ability to pay one's way apply to her at all. My dh and I have a high hhi and would never think of having more than 3 dcs (maybe 4 if we didn't live in NYC).
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Courageous? LMAO
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Go Ann!!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not watching. What did she say?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She was going after her about her inability to afford the dcs.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Get her, Ann! Get her!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
nutbar x 10000000
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Where are all the wack-job ring-wing evangelics? They should be defending her right to life decision times 8. Oh, wait those same people are anti-welfare and foodstamps.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do evangelics support (non-natural) fertility treatments?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. They wouldn't buy into this AT ALL.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
She claims she did not have plastic surgery, or her lips done. She claims she has not seen an Angelina Jolie movie in years and has no idea what people are talking about (resemblance). She thinks she will be able to support, hold and love all those kids after she finishes grad school. My mouth is open... She is so deluded.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right? And Michael Jackson only had 3 nose jobs and never touched any kids who slept in his bed.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but see, this is where i stop understanding. mj was rich, and paid the ppl around him to keep him deluded and yessed. why hasn't someone slapped this crazy b*tch upside her head?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol! they actually asked her about being "made" into angelina?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]angelina is sitting at home watching and laughing her ass off too
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA. Totally insane. Frightening, really.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Damn those 6 kids are cute. One called it and said 8 more kids will be a mess and mom will be "stressed".
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She looks delighted when she says her kid is autistic. I think she's bipolar and currently manic.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i was thinking the same thing!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It was creepy.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
They all have the middle name Angel. I swear this bothers me so much...
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what bothers me more is the fact that she seems unstable, is on welfare - and then a doctor goes and implants numerous eggs.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]One thing's for sure: That guy should lose his license and the STATE should sue him for malpractice to recoup some of the millions of bucks that brood is going to cost it.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Who is this quack and why is the AMA protecting him or her. Implanting 6 embryos? And he or she did this on all the previous IVF babies. Insanity. I had to fight NYU for 3 as anyone under the age of 38 they only implant 2.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i was wondering about that - what is the normal amount to have implanted. there were six eggs - they could have done two implantations 3 each. doesn't a doctor have a duty to do no harm - when you are implanting that many - and then the woman doesn't want to reduce (which i do understand is a personal decision), - but the fact that if you implant that many - the likelihood of having a child with disabilities - learning and physical is so high - doesn't the doctor have an obligation to do no harm?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Nadya Suleman should be on the next presidential ticket with Sarah Palin. Vote for Bible Spice and Octopussy! They can finance their campaign with money made from a TLC reality show and the sale of Oxycotin.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm laughing too hard, plz stop!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Ann is doing a great job... I wondered how the house looked so neat for the interview... The snapshots of how the house actually looks is a WRECK! How the HELL can she even hold or talk to all those kids?!?! Change diapers?!?!? Feed, bath them? Homework? Laundry? And she plans on working?!?!?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]By hiring any army of babysitters and home health aides all paid for by the state of California.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That white space where they had the interview didn't look anything like that little bungalow.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. She believes that she will earn enough after graduating with a counselling degree from a no name college to support 15 people. Doesn't this ALONE prove she's insane?!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Talk about the inmates taking over the asylum. Who in the heck would send their child, husband, wife, meth-head brother to her for counseling? The crazy counseling the crazy.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Even worse: The meth-head would be the SANE one!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's too bad they got rid of all the mental sanitoriums in this country. I'd like to have her locked away (or at least in a straitjacket)
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Wow. I am impressed! Not a single person who responded to post is in disagreement. I, for one, do think it was a crazy situation that she got herself into and she is eccentric/extreme to a degree but she does not seem "insane" nor is she a "cunt" or an Angelina Jolie wanna-be. She does not make me angry or arouse any sort of hostile sentiments. You are all mean bitches who want to gossip about the next woman who is different. You are so high school.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hi Nadya!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm fine with different. I'm not fine with an unemployed woman repeatedly (and purposely) having children she'll never be able to support without resorting to public funds.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're kidding, right?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"eccentric" is my uncle henry who spits watermelon seeds at you when you ring the doorbell. "eccentric" is my cousin leslie who needs to wear a piece of red clothing every day. nadya suleman is light years beyond "eccentric" at this point.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 09:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
She disgusts me but I have to say I feel even more anger toward the doctor who implanted the embryos. I think fertility specialists like to claim that they are objectively treating the disease of fertility (supports their argument to get insurance and state funding for their work) but they're clearly able to see the results of their actions. This insane woman created life she can't support, but the dr. was presumably sane and equally complicite. I think the dr. should pay instead of me as a CA tax-payer.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 09:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. Total quack who should lose his license.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 09:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Any IVF moms on? Is a 13 FSH really dire? 3 replies
- no, although the scales are different depending on where you go. that is really not so bad, i know people with much higher who got pg. but i always tell people here they should really post this kind of thing on inciid.org boards, saved my mind during ivf and so much more knowledgeable as the site is about fertility issues....
Talk : : February 10, 2009
Any IVF moms on? Is a 13 FSH really dire?
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.10.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag ]no, although the scales are different depending on where you go. that is really not so bad, i know people with much higher who got pg. but i always tell people here they should really post this kind of thing on inciid.org boards, saved my mind during ivf and so much more knowledgeable as the site is about fertility issues.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]clomid challenge score or no? Also, what age? Age is the biggest factor.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]33. No clomid challenge.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] My boss today asked me if I was pregnant, so I lied and said no when in fact I am 10-... 5 replies
- Tell them sooner. You opened the can of worms when you told them about the IVF process....
- was the first trimester? I also want to push it out a bit since I don't think I'll feel "in the clear" at 12-weeks. This whole IVF thing has throw me off a bit, makes me feel like it's not quite real for some reason. I have one DS conceived naturally....
Talk : : February 10, 2009
My boss today asked me if I was pregnant, so I lied and said no when in fact I am 10-weeks. She's only asking because she knew I was trying and was about to start the IVF process. I stopped talking about it when she said to me, "You know, when you start taking the drugs you have to tell us because we have a right to know if you're going to be moody!" At which point, I stopped answering all her intrusive questions about my life. Now it's going to be truly awkward when I do tell them. Her feelings will be very hurt. By the way, it's a small family company. My DH thinks that it would be best for the relationship for me to tell them sooner rather than later, whereas I want to wait until as late as possible because I hate all of the intrusive questions. WDYT?
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.10.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag ]Tell them sooner. You opened the can of worms when you told them about the IVF process.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I know, you're right. Can I push it out until at least 16-weeks?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know...Why the wait? I'd say 12 weeks tops.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, twelve weeks. You can lie for the first trimester but after that it is just lying to your boss. I am afraid you opened the door on the expectation that you would tell them.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ugh...it's not a conversation I want to have since I feel guilty for lying! Do I just say that I was superstitious because it was the first trimester? I also want to push it out a bit since I don't think I'll feel "in the clear" at 12-weeks. This whole IVF thing has throw me off a bit, makes me feel like it's not quite real for some reason. I have one DS conceived naturally.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] How did you decide whether to have a second child? So confused. Can't decide and ru... 10 replies
- #2 might do to my marriage. Especially if #2 is as difficult as #1. Also, I am a twin and my twin had twins (no ivf)...
- #2 might do to my marriage. Especially if #2 is as difficult as #1. Also, I am a twin and my twin had twins (no ivf)...
Talk : : February 10, 2009
How did you decide whether to have a second child? So confused. Can't decide and running out of time. I'm almost 40, dh is 53 and our dd is 14mo (and she is awesome, but definitely not an easy-going child.) I am sahm right now & our hhi is around 220K. Any advice please??!!
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.10.09, 06:54 AM [ Flag ]do you want a 2d? put aside the sibling issue and the money and all that, in your heart, will you be happy with one, or do you really want another?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: I think my main reason for having #2 is for #1 to have a sibling. I can't imagine not having my sisters. But I am scared of what #2 might do to my marriage. Especially if #2 is as difficult as #1. Also, I am a twin and my twin had twins (no ivf)...I'm terrified that #2 could end up being 2 &3!!!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i would not have a 2d just for the sibling factor. I am a happy only child. there is no guarantee of a good sibling relationship.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
All I can say is that I had a dear friend in the same position and she went for it and never said, I wish I never had number 2! Sounds like income should not be an issue at 220K, although many on this board would disagree.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA with both posters above. And I agree you can def have 2 on 220K. I have 2 and that's my HHI.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have half that HHI. I'd walk through fire for #2. (Well, I'd run.)
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We were younger than you and your DH when we were wondering this (35 and 36), but we had a second. Now we're in the same debate (or, I am) about having #3. For us, the idea of going back to sleepless nights and nursing every 2-3 hours was a short term sacrifice for the longer term gain of not having another. I suspect you'll never regret having another; you may regret not having another. Also, it's a pretty extraordinary gift to give your child a sibling. There are times I worry that I have more "healthy" years behnd me than possibly ahead of me, and that I won't likely meet or see my grandchildren grow up and this is sad. I've also just lost my father, and it sucks, and I worry that having a child at 40 increases the chances that they too will be young-ish (relatively speaking) when they may lose a parent. But the parental pull/urge is pretty strong. I'm lucky to have an incredibly hands on DH. That's a "pro". And I am continually amazed at my two DC and how extraordinary children are. I love that they have each other. I love the idea of giving them another sibling.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think my main reason for having #2 is for #1 to have a sibling. I can't imagine not having my sisters. But I am scared of what #2 might do to my marriage. Especially if #2 is as difficult as #1. Also, I am a twin and my twin had twins (no ivf)...I'm terrified that #2 could end up being 2 &3!!!
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: #2 turning into #2 AND #3 wouldn't be the end of the world, would it?
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
IMO a 53 yo has no business fathering a child.
[ Reply | Options ]02.10.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I need to start IVF and decided to go with Melnick based on my ob's recommendation an... 2 replies
Talk : : February 09, 2009
I need to start IVF and decided to go with Melnick based on my ob's recommendation and a friend who had sucess with him. BUT his office just called with my initial blood work results and I think mixed my results up with someone else. Prob. should get a second opinion before starting this process with a Dr. who could not even get the first step right. Any suggestions? I live on UES and have Aetna
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.09.09, 05:05 PM [ Flag ]why do you think it's mixed up?
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they left me a message about having a thyroid issue wth instructions on how to take the thyroid medicine Melnick supposedly gave me but I only met with him once and he did not give me any prescriptions. I have to call tomorrow and sort this out but I think I may want to meet with another doc.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] So my boss today asked me if I was pregnant, so I lied and said no when in fact I am ... 8 replies
Talk : : February 09, 2009
So my boss today asked me if I was pregnant, so I lied and said no when in fact I am 10-weeks. She's only asking because she knew I was trying and was about to start the IVF process. I stopped talking about it when she said to me, "You know, when you start taking the drugs you have to tell us because we have a right to know if you're going to be moody!" At which point, I stopped answering all her intrusive questions about my life. Now it's going to be truly awkward when I do tell them. Her feelings will be very hurt. By the way, it's a small family company.
8 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.09.09, 02:20 PM [ Flag ]Oh, well. She should mind her own business if she doesn't want her feeling hurt. I never understand bosses asking intrusive questions, whether it's a big company or 4-man shop. But you may have invited the questions by being a bit too open about getting pregnant. And the moody thing was so out of line.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It is perfectly reasonable when you do tell her to say (if you feel the need to!) that you are sorry you couldn't tell anyone when she asked before but it was so early on you hadn't told anyone in case things didn't work out. Maybe you shouldn't have been discussing the fact that you were trying to get pg if you didn't want her to discuss it with you.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I know, I probably shouldn't have but if you've ever gone through any sort of fertility process, you know there are lots of doctor appts associated with it. So she was in the know during the IUI's we were attempting, bu then I stopped talking about it completely after the "moody" comment. She would still inquire and I would blow her off or one time I actually told her that I didn't want to discuss it any further since it was too "painful" (which is isn't for me) and so she didn't inquire for a whole 24-hours maybe and asked again the day after!
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You realize you opened the door when you talked to her about TTC. Lesson learned. But otherwise I would say what the poster above suggested - that you didn't want to say anything until you knew the baby was healthy.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Also you don't have to tell her how far along you are and if you do, keep it real vague like instead of saying weeks or months, say trimester instead.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ideally I hold off telling them until it gets obvious, which for my first child (conceived naturally) was around 6-months. I don't know if I'll be able to pull that off this time. Part of me wonders if it would lessen the hurt for her if I did tell her after 12-weeks, but then I'll be asked intrusive questions every day for the next 6-months!
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]See if you can hold out beyond 12 weeks. Maybe some clever dressing when going to work. LOL. But once you make the announcement say your are so thrilled to be pregnant and will not discuss any details of the conception because your future is so bright. You may have to repeat yourself before she gets the hint.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, I will definitely have to convey to her that it's not something I want to discuss at length.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 03:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] IVF - Just failed my last and final IVF Cycle. Didn't sleep all night and today I se... 4 replies
Talk : : February 09, 2009
IVF - Just failed my last and final IVF Cycle. Didn't sleep all night and today I seem to be short of breath. This sucks so much!
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.09.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag ]I'm really sorry.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm really sorry. How many have you had?
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm so sorry. It's a hard fact to face that you've just had your last IVF. I wish you good luck on the next leg or your journey to build a family. I'm pouring you my favorite E-drink. Dewars with a splash of ginger ale.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm sorry. I hope you have a baby soon, by whatever means you choose.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] IVF moms - did you have a boy or a girl? If you have any children conceived naturall... 1 reply
Talk : : February 09, 2009
[+] I tried for five years to get pregnant and at 38 years old I looked into IVF. I now h... 5 replies
Talk : : February 09, 2009
I tried for five years to get pregnant and at 38 years old I looked into IVF. I now have a son who will be 7 years old. At 41 years old, I wanted another child and decided to try naturally before looking into IVF. I purchased "answer" followed the directions and at almost 42 years had a girl naturally who is going to be 4 years old. Yes, IVF is hard on the body but after 35 years the risk factors start to go up. After 40 years you will have a battery of tests. It is possible to have children after 40 but how long to conceive is the question?
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.09.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag ]I just had my 3rd dc 3mo ago and I'm 40 (almost 41). I was shocked to learn I was pg after only one try. It took longer to get pg (10 mo of trying) with my #2 dc at the age of 35
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]huh?
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto the huh.
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: What is "answer"?
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't understand your point. Many people get pregnant naturally after 40. In fact, so frequent is this occurence that NO ONE on this board would ever advise someone at age 43 or 44 to stop birth control because the likelihood of pregnancy is so small. I know, I've posted that question and all the responses were stories of "accidents" at mid to late '40s. Of course it is harder to get pregnant the older you are, but do you have another point?
[ Reply | Options ]02.09.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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