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  • [-]A frienemy of mine's dh attempted suicide. Honestly, it has slowly been revealed, that one of the reasons this occurred was due to her behavior (not surprised). Obviously, this is a very complex issue, but I have distanced myself from her. I have no idea how to deal with this? We did have good times at one point and I cannot believe how things have turned out.

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    02.07.09, 06:28 PM [ Flag ]
    • I have to say, blaming the friend's behavior seems out of line if it was a serious attempt (and not just a way to get attention). That said, what do you have to deal with in this situation?

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      02.07.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • she made him crazy (which I could see, since she drives me nutty). However, he was depressed and now through therapy, he told her that she drove him to the brink. She shared this with me and I find it hard to be supportive. I am more sad for the DH. He's a super nice person and I wish him well.

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        02.07.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I can see how it would be hard to be supportive, but still, a grown man doesn't attempt suicide because his wife is crazy unless he has his own very major problems.

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          02.07.09, 06:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • You know what, he probably have proclivity towards suicide but she definitely pushed him over the edge.

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            02.07.09, 06:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • people don't have a slight "proclivity" towards suicide they have huge depression problems, many of which outsiders never see. You don't have the whole story here.

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              02.07.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I agree. If she drove him nuts, he had a choice to leave her.

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            02.07.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ITA...it is what it is. But, at least theyr'e struggling to coincide. They have 2 small kids. How do I deal with this from a friend perspective. I feel so overwhelmed and hardly supportive, since I'm kinda angry at her.

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              02.07.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • just let her know that if you can help with the kids in any way that you are there. Or don't. whats the difference?

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                02.07.09, 06:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • you're mad at her for no good reason. This really isn't her fault. Yes, she may have contributed to a bad situation, but really there is no therapist in the world that is worth their salt that would blame such a major action on a spouse. She was probably looking to you to point all this out. It is not her fault. You don't have to be there for her if you don't like her, that's fine, but please don't be mad at her for something that truly was beyond her control. Also, people who are manic depressive can be horrible to live with, you don't know what she was going through

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                02.07.09, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: ITA. Her dh was mentally ill, that is why he killed himself. NOT because of her. He obviously could not deal with every day dealings with her and family life in general. OP, how has it been slowly revealed it was his wife's fault? Do you have any understanding of mental illness?

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            02.07.09, 06:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • He is Manic Depressive and throughout their post-suicide attempt therapy, her behavior has been a huge part of the problem. I never said THE reason alone. She now blames him and is not supporting him and now wants a DIVORCE. I find it all very shocking. How the heck do I stay friendly (playdates, etc.)? I really can't stomach her behavior and my heart goes out to her DH. Its a mess either way you look at it

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              02.07.09, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • In such a scenario it is best to keep your distance. You are not really "friends" and it is better to not be around then to watch and judge.

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                02.07.09, 06:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Sorry, former psychologist below. Bipolar (manic depressive)sufferers have a high suicide risk - and this is a serious, psychotic illness. No wonder she wants a divorce! Have you tried to live with someone with a serious mental illness? The part of him YOU see is not what she deals with every day.

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                02.07.09, 06:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • have you ever had to deal with someone that was that depressed? If my dh tried to commit suicide and then passive-aggressively blamed it on me, I would be out the door as well, that's emotional blackmail.

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                02.07.09, 06:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Having a relationship with a mentally ill person can be physically and emotionally exhausting. I know because dh's brother is and we have been dealing with this on and off for years. You don't know what is really going on in their house and it is very easy to make judgements based on what is said by one person. Knowing what I know, I can't imagine being married to someone with that illness, let alone with children. Give her a break, it must not be easy for her.

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                02.07.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITTTTTA. There's no way he attempted because of her (I'm speaking as a former psychologist). I believe she's a difficult person, but that's not why he did it. He did it because he's mentally ill. For him to say to you that's why he did it is manipulative - and note, depressed people can be very manipulative. Just because that's what he thinks he took out of therapy, doesn't mean that's what happened!

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            02.07.09, 06:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • It's crazy that op is blaming the wife just because the husband is nice in public. It sounds like he has been putting her through a living hell.

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              02.07.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • She told me that part of his breakdown was also due to her behavior. Yes, he had the illness, but remained dormant. Now, she's not willing to change her behavior to be of support. She's instead pushing him to do normal things and he's clearly not ready. His hand is partially paralyzed as a result of the attempt. I just need help in how to be supportive. I feel like she missed signs in him and help drive him to the edge and now doesn't want to help or show compassion to him. She's a very selfish person, and this ordeal has brought our many true colors in her.

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              02.07.09, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • not to mention your own true colors... I hope you never experience others judging you like this

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                02.07.09, 07:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I would never push someone that I love to be something he is not. I have compassion for them, but find this very complex, for which it is. How do I be supportive, THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW???? I've given all the FACTS, not judgements, so that you can understand the difficult nature.

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                  02.07.09, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • No, you've given judgements. You don't know what she's been doing and why. You can't possibly know what goes on between them! Both their points of view are skewed.

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                    02.07.09, 07:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • I know how she treat me and other, beside her DH. The facts were given to me, just as I presented them. Sooooo, how would you deal with it if you were ME. All judgement aside.

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                      02.07.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • I would try not to get into deep conversations with her. You obviously do blame her, so it would be better for her if you were polite but distant. Being supportive requires sympathy and it really seems as if you feel that she doesn't really deserve any.

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                        02.07.09, 07:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • obviously, you can't be

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                    02.07.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Honestly, (former psych again) and I'm saying this nicely, you really don't know what's going on in their household from day to day. She might believe it about her own behavior but it's NOT TRUE. Many things can trigger a manic-depressie episode. She can't be perfect all day long. She can only be human. No one can and she shouldn't be expected to be. Stay away from this one, as you just can't know the details. And "dormant" bipolar? That's not exactly how it works. Yes, there are triggers but the illness is always there.

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                02.07.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • She's difficult as a friend, and I look back over the last 6 months (leading up to the attempt), I found her even more difficult to be around. I also have a new baby, for which she hasn't been supportive of and have been hurt by her personally. I guess, knowing that this has occurred in her life makes it all very complex. She's invited to things and I've avoided her. She's been very rude and asking me why I haven't talked to her and I just don't even no where to begin. How do you distance yourself delicately? It very overwhelming to me?

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                  02.07.09, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I would just keep saying you're busy. But note, I don't think you can cozy up and be supportive to the husband if you do this. You either have to cut both of them out, or not. She could have been "difficult" because she's been dealing with her husband's mental breakdown. A depressive episode for a manic-depressive often takes months to develop.

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                    02.07.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • ^ Oh, and as far as the baby goes, I understand that you're hurt she hasn't been supportive but ... you just can't know what she's been dealing with day to day. She doesn't sound like a good fit for you as a friend! If you keep ignoring her and being merely civil instead of chatty, she will eventually get the message.

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                      02.07.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • I'm not in regular contact with him. I agree, that perhaps, he was struggling this summer, which lead to her increasing bad behavior. Now, her bad behavior is maximized and almost crazy. I just can't be friends with her, but I am too worried about being nice or doing the right thing in having compassion for them both. I've never dealt with anything like this.

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                      02.07.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • NP: I have to ask, why are you so interested in him? It doesn't sound healthy.

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                02.07.09, 07:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • WHAT the HECK is going here? I am not as close to the DH, as to my friend. He's a super nice guys and they are struggling. I am just asking how to handle this from a friendship perspective. I am very caring and supportive to everyone in my life. But, I've never dealt with this whopper of a situation!!!

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                  02.07.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • he's probably not "super nice" to her though...

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                    02.07.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • reading between the lines here you like him and don't like her. and you blame her for his attempt. the question was a totally natural one and you seem unnaturally defensive here. ask yourself why. my advice to you is avoid both of them. you are too into him and you hate her. you can't help them and you don't even want to help her, that's for sure.

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                    02.07.09, 07:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What's telling, OP, is that you say your friend's behavior has been worse the last 6 months. "I look back and found her even more difficult to be around". And yet it doesn't occur to you she may have been acting this way because of the stress she was under due to her husband's deterioration over the same time period. It sounds as if you were oblivious to her personal difficulties then, and to perceive her dh's suicide attempt as some reflection of her behavior is very unkind.

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      02.07.09, 09:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If you want to be a "friend" - and sorry I don't think you have any idea of what this really means, to be a friend, I would suggest that you focus on the kids. If they have a good time, or if one of them does, with your kids, then just focus on getting the kids together. Even if the kids are too young to clue in to their father's suicide attempt, they will be feeling the extra stress on their mom. If you can bring yourself to allot an extra hour a week to making someone else feel better, why wouldn't you? Unless of course you are one of those moms who only has playdates with the moms she is close "friends" with...

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      02.08.09, 04:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • And anyway what kind of behavior leads a spouse to suicide?

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      02.08.09, 04:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Honestly, it is none of your business. She is not your friend and this is a horribly difficult time for her family. If he had died, you should have sent a card or an appropriate wake/funeral acknowledgment. Since he did not, the best thing you could do is keep quiet and stop talking smack about her. Just be nice, but not fake friendly when you see her.

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      02.08.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • DH is mentally ill. While he is a "super nice person," his spouse cannot be blamed for his suicide attempt.

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      02.08.09, 11:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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