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We have decided to use the Dr. Sear's alternative vaccination schedule. Anyone have experience with registering for school come kindergarten age? How can this be achieved?
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This schedule recommends testing for immunity to MMR and Varicella (or just contracting Varicella as most of my generation did) at age 10. Hep B is a sexually transmitted disease that would only be vaccinated against at an age appropriate time (around 11). So, no, none of those by 5...
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nnp: my mom was one of the last people in US to have polio. I remember her crying tears of joy when we got polio vax.
[ Reply | Options ]nnnp--What year was this? People who debate vaccines now have no concept of the fear parents lived in when their kids could catch polio.
[ Reply | Options ]And she was so right to be joyous. Now all these idiots are putting all of society at risk for bringing it and other diseases that used to wreak havoc back. Selfish and stupid.
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Don't they automatically (by law?) vaccinate for Hep B at birth in NY? I live in NJ and my baby was born at Roosevelt in NYC but my ped said I'd have a choice here in NJ but they'll do it automatically in NYC and they did.
[ Reply | Options ]This is actually a really bad idea. If you've been infected with actual chicken pox, you can develop shingles when you are older, which you'd be immune from if you got the varicella vaccine. Shingles is painful and can be disfiguring. Also, you have to think about what happens if your kid never gets the chicken pox as a child. Today we have many people who are immune surpressed due to chemotherapy, organ transplants, HIV and other things. What happens if your child doesn't get childhood chicken pox and then 40 years from now is fighting cancer and gets it. He or she could die from the chicken pox in that situation or it could interfere with life saving chemotherapy treatments. Vaccines aren't just for childhood.
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Hopefully it can be achieved by you moving as far away from my child as possible.
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No, but because of the schedule, her child is a threat to my child who hasn't been vaccinated. E.g., my 11 month old on the playground is at a much, much, much higher risk for measles than if all children were vaccinated. Also, the fewer children who are vaccinated, the more strains are likely to develop that are immune to the vaccine. That's why measles is making a huge comeback and polio is being seen in numbers higher than in many, many years.
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Or, you vaccinate your children. The burden shouldn't be upon those of us who are responsible to take our kids out of the public. The burden should be on those irresponsible, idiotic, selfish parents who believe in the totally fictitious autism/vaccine link. It is those parents who are now setting us back 50 years and putting everyone at risk because of their ignorance.
[ Reply | Options ]There are other side effects of vaccines. They contain all sorts of poisons. Why did they take the rotavirus vax off the market? WHy did France stop giving HepB vax? DO a little research before just bending over and taking whatever your ped says.
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measles, mumps and rubella are not diseases you are going to find running rampant in nyc, nor are they fatal.
[ Reply | Options ]Really? http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579800
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not necessarily fictitious. just not enough evidence (yet). I work with children with autism, and quite a few were developing typically, had language and social skills until they got MMR. Then totally regressed.
[ Reply | Options ]first, that may well be the natural history of autism or related conditons. second, regressing around the time of the vaccine doesn't necessarily mean the two are realated. Its like if an elderly person retires, develops symptoms of Alzheimers shortly after, and then people say that Alzheimers is caused by receiving social security checks.
[ Reply | Options ]true that correlation does not imply causation, but that is NOT the natural history of autism. in most cases, it shows itself in infancy.
[ Reply | Options ]..although many parents/pediatrician may not recognize the signs early on. People often attribute an illness to beginning after a specific event, although it actually began much earlier.
[ Reply | Options ]np--Autism is associated with the age of the father. Fathers over the age of 40 are 6 more times likely to have a child with autism than fathers under the age of 30. The age of the mother is not a factor.
[ Reply | Options ]Study has found otherwise. Data from 379,000 people: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/04/AR2006090400513.html
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because in these kids who regress THERE ARE NO SIGNS early on. they are developing typically - eye contact, speech, responding to name, no stimming behaviors.
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you can claim philosophical, medical or religious exemption. that's a good schedule.
[ Reply | Options ]It is absolutely not true that there is any relationship between vaccines and autism. There is not one shred of evidence--that means, not stories but studies comparing kids who were vaccinated with kids who weren't--to suggest that there is any relationship at all. The causes for autism are complex nut unrelated to vaccines, and you are risking many lives when you don't vaccinate.
[ Reply | Options ]I am a Biochemist and very active in the CURRENT scientific community. There is currently NO ACCEPTED correlation between vaccinations and autism. Period. There is, however, a frightening correlation between Vitamin D deficiency in both the expecting mother and child with a strong (and currently under investigation) correlation to autism. With the decrease in our ozone, the rise of skin cancer, and the excessive use of sunscreens, many people (particularly the wealthier, the more severe) are at risk for a Vit D deficiency. Vitamin D is CRITICAL in the development of the brain which is a concern in utero, as well as several years after a child is born, as the brain is continuing development. This is a good explanation for WHY a child appears to develop normally and then lapse into autism at a later age. Most people don't understand that sunlight is critical for your body to be able to use/activate the Vit D that you have ingested. And, as always, moderation is key... it is proven that only 10 minutes of sunlight a day is all one needs to maintain healthy Vitamin D levels.
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This thread is terrifying. I cannot believe all these otherwise probably smart women believe in the autism/vaccine link and will put everyone at risk. It makes me sick.
[ Reply | Options ]I find it terrifying that women like you won't do a little research and just trust blindly in your peds and the pharmaceutical companies.
[ Reply | Options ]My husband and I did a ton of research. Why would you assume different? I can't imagine doing the research and then NOT vaccinating. The research made us all the more aware of how important it is to vaccinate!
[ Reply | Options ]np: Really? A number of vaccinations were a bust at least at first, some ended up being pulled. I vaccinate but no new ones, nothing until it is mandatory. And after bad MMR reaction with #1 I make sure my kids don't get more than one shot per visit. Absolutely not necessary and bad for many kids to do 3-4 shots at once.
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and I find it terrifying when people use hysterical internet blogs and Jenny Mcarthy as their "research" sources.
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If you think the vaccination schedule is based on what is best for your child you are a bit foolish yourself. Public health policy is rather far from what is best for UMC kids. The vaccination schedule would be far less agressive if not for the need to get everything in so quickly because people stop taking their kids to the ped.
[ Reply | Options ]np: ita. the vax schedule is designed to coincide w well-baby visits and NOT the other way around. HepB is really not designed to protect young children and MMR does not need to be given as a combination vax all at once. i think vax's are important in general, but the insistence on the recommended schedule and the convenience of many shots at once, i am not on board with.
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In 2007 Wakefield became the subject of a General Medical Council disciplinary hearing over allegations that his research had received funding related to litigation against MMR-vaccine manufacturers, and had concealed this fact from the editors of The Lancet. It was later revealed that Wakefield received £435,643 [about $780,000] plus expenses for consulting work related to the lawsuit. This funding came from the UK legal aid fund, a fund intended to provide legal services to the poor.
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Wakefield published the one study that started it all. It has since been debunked (in terms of the connection of MMR vaccine to autism) by every major medical organization, and Wakefield was shown to be on the dole from people pushing a lawsuit. It has snowballed from something extremely questionable.
[ Reply | Options ]fmr head of the National Institutes of Health was quoted last year saying the research really isn't there to rule out brain damage from vaccines, and that researchers are too fearful to actually do good studies. She doesn't buy into the conspiracies about the pharm industry. Just thinks this is an incredibly emotional issue and the scientific community is very fearful about any suggestion that vaccines could cause harm. (So they close ranks and call everybody stupid who has questions.)
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are you doing the alternative schedule or the selective schedule? we are doing the alternative schedule which still gets a child fully vax'd in time for K or in our case, even preschool - it just delays some past infancy and spreads them out over more visits. if you do the selective schedule which it seems like you are, you're going to have to claim a medical or religious exemption. religious is hard if you do some vax's bc you can't really say that your religion is against vaccination in general.
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Don't kid youself non-vaccaniation people, you ARE putting other children at risk, even the vaccinated ones. No vaccine is 100% effective all the time. It only works if everyone gets vaccinated. You are simply trying to freeride off more responsible parents. I don't care why you don't vaccinate - but if that's your choice you should keep your chilren isolated from other children. Otherwise you are just plain selfish.
[ Reply | Options ]Thank you! This is right on. Polio was virtually eradicated because EVERYONE was vaccinated. Opting out puts everyone at risk, and every child at risk. It puts babies who haven't yet been vaccinated at risk but it also puts children who have at risk. It is incredibly irresponsible and selfish. So the burden is upon those who choose not to vaccinate to keep their children isolated.
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Please keep your un-vaccinated kids away from mine. I get that you are doing what you think is best for your kids... so are the rest of the parents in the developed world by getting our kids vaccinated. Honestly, I wonder why you would take such a chance ...
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. And note that the chance of their kids contracting diseases grows exponentially as more and more parents decide not to vaccinate. Sickening.
[ Reply | Options ]hey morons: the point here is not that people want to tempt a return of polio. it's that some are questioning whether the current vaccination schedule (30 plus shots in just a few years) is too much. a lot of the shots they're loading on these days are hardly for terrifying illnesses: chickenpox, flu, etc. Come on. And hep B for newborns? That shows a certain recklessness on the part of public health officials. Also, with the exception of measles, a lot of the most unnececssary shots, like flu, are also the most reactive.
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if the debate were just about measles there wouldn't be all this terror talk about iron lungs, now would there? and mumps? give me a break, i had it as a kid and barely even noticed i was sick.
[ Reply | Options ]measles kills. there have been fatal outbreaks n the US in the past five years. some people got mild cases of polio too.
[ Reply | Options ]i think that there have only been 1 or 2 measles related deaths in the past 5 years bc the incidence of measles is simply so low that the statistical chance of a fatal case is even lower. obviously if it's your own child 1 fatality is too many, but from a population risk perspective it's truly negligible. there have been no cases of wild polio in the US.
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Reap Paul Offit's book, Autism's False Prophets. He fully documents the extensive research that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no relationship between vaccination and autism, and holds the fear-mongering media and weak providers responsible for this appalling disinformation campaign.
[ Reply | Options ]i cant believe the amount of idiots on here that actually believe that vaccines completely protect a child from contracting a disease
[ Reply | Options ]Completely? No. The only way a child is completely protected is when a disease is eradicated, which only happens if everyone is vaccinated. So, while the diseases children are vaccinated do not completely protect our children, they do a hell of a good job if selfish, ignorant parents don't stop vaccinating.
[ Reply | Options ]Agreed. You are a member of a community, and as such, need to do "your part" which means my god, you idiots, vaccinate your child for the good of a) your child b) my child c) people with weak immune systems d) society as a whole. This is driving me insane that people really think the problem is vaccinations!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]your understanding of what people think is simplistic. again, it's the current vaccination schedule that's the issue for the vast majority of people on the other side of the debate. nobody questions the importance of vaccinations to health. but that doesn't mean we have to buy into a reckless vaccination schedule that includes hep B for newborns (if public health officials are recommending this, and we know it's reckless, then why should we put our wholehearted trust in them when they say 30 plus vaccinations in just a few years is safe?)
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