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[+] Need Information! My college age ds received an e mail from "Student Health" that he ... 5 replies
Talk : : February 12, 2009
Need Information! My college age ds received an e mail from "Student Health" that he has been identified as someone who has been exposed to two students with meningococcal infection. We found out tonight that two kids in his frat have meningitis. Question: He had the vaccine in 2005 and they gave him cipro antibiotic tonight. Is there anything else we should do? I'm calling our Dr. tomorrow but I'm anxious. One of the poor kids is in critical condition. tia
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.12.09, 05:30 PM [ Flag ]sorry, I don't know... but that really sucks, I hope he's alright
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the cipro should knock it out, try not to worry too much
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thx, I hear it's pretty effective. Ds said it was kind of funny that they had the entire frat in one room at the clinic breathing on each other.
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[+] DH gets Sports Illustrated. Was looking at the photos last night. Depressing. 39 replies
- Well, in this scientific survey of 2 dh's, the results are a unanimous "no". That's better evidence than the autism/vaccine link ever had....
Talk : : February 12, 2009
DH gets Sports Illustrated. Was looking at the photos last night. Depressing.
39 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.12.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag ]The issue with the models, or just a regular ol' issue with the athletes.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the issue with the models.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh, okay. Though those women are pretty stunning, my friend who worked for SI, still had to do a lot air brushing on those images. So take some solace in that. Men like eye candy so I wouldn't take his gawking at Heidi Klum personally unless he says, how come your breast don't look like that? Then you have my permission to clothesline him like Hulk Hogan. LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Remind yourself that those women don't even look like those women (IRL). Did you see that Jessica Alba ad (Campari, I think) where someone got ahold of the pre- and post-airbrushing versions? You know that all those photos get doctored, but the before vs. after is really pretty shocking.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, but DH does not know that.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Of course he does. But he doesn't care.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Ha, I order SI for my dh, except due to some *glitch* it gets delivered to my office. so oooops guess he won't be getting his swimsuit edition. I think it is sick- i looked at it, it would be fine if it were classy models in suits we could actually wear, but these women are naked, save for a hand or flower placement someplace. If my dh wants to look at porn, he can buy a porn mag.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Controlling, obnoxious, and, since he certainly knows it's swimsuit month and can pick up a copy at any newsstand, useless. Only thing that can be accomplished by this is resentment, and giving him the correct suspicion that you take a censoring and controlling approach.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Somehow, I don't think she's worried about what he thinks of her.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Puzzled DH here: Why would you rather have him buying porn mags than looking at a SI swimsuit issue?
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]seriously!
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]honest answer needed -- when you do look at these photos, do you wish your wife had a body like that or something close to it?
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't really connect the two. Really.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Same puzzled DH here. When I go to an opera, I don't think "I wish my dw had a voice like that." In fact, until just now it never occurred to me to think that.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OOps- [cont.] My wife is not and has never been a singer at any pro or amateur level. Now, I happen to feel my dw has a beautiful and alluring singing voice. Intellectually, I know she's not about to audition for the Met so I guess in that sense her voice is "worse" -- but even that is a weird thought. Emotionally, it's hard for me even to conceive that Deborah Voigt's voice and hers are in competition in any way.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
when i look at pics like that any thought like that is out the window. Its just "ugga ugga, me likes it" Questions like, "what would that model make of middle aged not really very fit guy with 3 kids" are likewise totally irrelevant. But let's not pretend women don't do pretty much the same thing. George Clooney for you on line 3.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, in this scientific survey of 2 dh's, the results are a unanimous "no". That's better evidence than the autism/vaccine link ever had.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Seriously, is there an answer to the previous question -- Why is porn better than SI? Or did I just bite at a troll here, and the censoring wife is a fake?
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i thnk for her its that she pays for SI, porn will come out of his own pocket. so to speak.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not bitter, controlling dw above, but looking at her answer, I bet she would say that jacking off to SI is sort of having it both ways. Its porn but without the shame and stigma. So if he wants wacking material, he has to take the shame too, no free lunches.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hmm. I think I understand, though it seems a bit twisted. I think I understand better the straightforward feelings about it expressed by the OP.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Brooklyn Freaking Decker. Oh my absolute god.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Know definitively that once you reach or pass the age of 33, your husband regrets marrying you. Politically incorrect, but true. By that age you're considered an albatross, a rapidly depreciating asset, and ultimately the source of debt, frustration and dulling misery. Men only want companionship and relatively effort free sex, not co-comingled financial profiles and a compromised claustrophobic existence . . . they only marry because you demand it . . .
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Divorced DH here. Oh man, where's that cut and paste function. This is going in my blog.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're sad and I feel sorry if you speak from personal experience-whichever gender you may be. GL.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hilarious! Hey, I'm an almost 37 year old DW and I regret marriage as well. You guys don't all age gracefully, and if you're not needed for your income then why should we bother?
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. Men seem to think the goods they are peddling are right up there with the hope diamond. Receding hairlines, hair growing out of strange places, occasional limp-dickness, and bad dressing. Yikes!
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Could you please modify that to say 'some' men? Plenty of us are well aware that you judge us that way, and are appropriately sad and insecure because of it.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh, I was just responding to douche-bag dad who said our husbands regret marrying us. Mine probably does, but I'm gangsta. If he wants to leave, I'm like don't let door hit you on the way out. LOL. Seriously, I think my husband likes being around me as I should have been the last woman he should date. A young mom, with a 6 and 7 year old, working like a dog and putting myself through grad school. He should have ran the other way. But I do have a body like J.Lo. Yikes!
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol! Ok, blowjob for you! But the others, feh!
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You ought to get together with the puritan lady who steals her dh's SI. You could be very happy together biting at each other's ankles.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL Speak for yourself.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Honestly, I would not feel threatened with DH looking at SI, because I know that he knows that not even in an alternative universe would he ever get one of these women to slap him the face let alone date him. LOL. But I do feel a tiny bit jealous when I see him looking at his industry music magazines and they have some respected, critically acclaimed rock chick on the cover. She doesn't even have to be particularly good looking but I know that the fact she can rock out turns my husband on. And don't let them be a bass player (his instrument) he really loses his mind. LOL. Yikes!
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]take bass lessons.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ha. Ha. You are definitely speaking to the musically impaired. LOL. But I can sing pretty well and have sang back-up, basically oohs, yays on some of my husband's tracks. He says I sound like Minnie Riperton (telling my real age). He did say he'd teach my guitar so I can have my own jam sessions with the new baby.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Take him up on it! Women with guitars are sexy.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am. We're going to Guitar Center to get me one of those "starter guitars".
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Great! Get one that's good enough that you'll enjoy playing it. Yamahas are the best quality & best sounding cheap acoustic guitars out there. But if dh is a musician, he'll have his own views on this -- though if his views disagree with mine, they're wrong. :-)
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 04:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
DH here. Don't get depressed. Was he showing off the issue to you and making snarky comments - probably not. I look at the issue too and then put it away. Unless he's rich or looks like some Hollywood star, they're out of his league. I know they're out of mine. You can't ask him no to fantasize, except in front of the kids.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Have we discussed this yet? 7 replies
- makes me upset because since they are linking autism for vaccines, a lot of research dollars are being wasted when they...terrible and unnecessary pain. Contrary to popular belief most vaccines have gotten rid of the mercury....
- way connected with the pharma companies who make the vaccines -- says. I don't know what such studies do...huge implications of this case and the hysteria over vaccines and the fact that certain childhood diseases are making...
Talk : : February 12, 2009
Have we discussed this yet? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/health/13vaccine.html?_r=1&hp Judge said case wasn't close even though all the plaintiffs had to show was a "preponderance of the evidence" that vaccines led to autism or gastrointestinal issues (which is not a difficult standard to meet). Sounds like the plaintiff's experts arguing the autism/vaccine link were less than persuasive.
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.12.09, 11:31 AM [ Flag ]I have done so much research (hours actually) online looking for a link between the two and have found study after study that says there is positively NO LINK between autism and vaccines. I can't believe people bought into all this media hype when 1 guy started this all with no evidence. I really thought the American people were smarter than this, we usually want solid proof. This also makes me upset because since they are linking autism for vaccines, a lot of research dollars are being wasted when they could be spent looking for the real cause and how to treat it. When are we going to see the vaccines for what they are - life saving shots that can prevent terrible and unnecessary pain. Contrary to popular belief most vaccines have gotten rid of the mercury.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's not the vaccines but all the chemicals in our food and tap water.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, at this point, that's a much better theory since the vaccines since it hasn't been disproven
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the problem is that the people who beleive this are not rational about it.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I only respond to this post to make a note about taking this opinion with a grain of salt, not about vaccines + autism link. I am a litigator and I can tell you firsthand that litigation is not about the facts and science but how you are presenting them. I would stick to what science -- and when I say science I mean truly independent research not funded, supported or in any way connected with the pharma companies who make the vaccines -- says. I don't know what such studies do say, but those are the ones I would pay attention to.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 02:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: I'm a litigator too. 80% of my time is in federal court. In now way did I post this as the end all, be all of evidence that there is no link. It is just another drop in the increasingly large bucket. I would also point out that the judge made the point that the experts presented by the plaintiff parent were clearly sub-par and were not even close to meeting their burden. Because of the huge implications of this case and the hysteria over vaccines and the fact that certain childhood diseases are making a comeback due to said hysteria--it would seem to me that more competent expert witnesses could have been located or stepped forward.
[ Reply | Options ]02.12.09, 03:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In no way--oops
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[+] MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism: THE doctor who sparked the scare ov... 3 replies
- for bribing. He was developing his own MMR vaccine he hoped to sell instead...
Talk : : February 11, 2009
MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism: THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found. Confidential medical documents and interviews with witnesses have established that Andrew Wakefield manipulated patients’ data, which triggered fears that the MMR triple vaccine to protect against measles, mumps and rubella was linked to the condition. The research was published in February 1998 in an article in The Lancet medical journal. It claimed that the families of eight out of 12 children attending a routine clinic at the hospital had blamed MMR for their autism, and said that problems came on within days of the jab. The team also claimed to have discovered a new inflammatory bowel disease underlying the children’s conditions. However, our investigation, confirmed by evidence presented to the General Medical Council (GMC), reveals that: In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records. Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated. Hospital pathologists, looking for inflammatory bowel disease, reported in the majority of cases that the gut was normal. This was then reviewed and the Lancet paper showed them as abnormal. Times Archive * 1922: Measles danger, a warning to parents * Infant schools closed * 89 deaths in measles epidemic * Measures against measles Related Links * Hidden records show MMR truth * How the MMR scare led to return of measles * MMR: Key dates in the crisis Despite involving just a dozen children, the 1998 paper’s impact was extraordinary. After its publication, rates of inoculation fell from 92% to below 80%. Populations acquire “herd immunity” from measles when more than 95% of people have been vaccinated. Last week official figures showed that 1,348 confirmed cases of measles in England and Wales were reported last year, compared with 56 in 1998. Two children have died of the disease. With two professors, John Walker-Smith and Simon Murch, Wakefield is defending himself against allegations of serious professional misconduct brought by the GMC. The charges relate to ethical aspects of the project, not its findings. All three men deny any misconduct. Through his lawyers, Wakefield this weekend denied the issues raised by our investigation, but declined to comment further.
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag ]thank you for posting this! Isn't he even under criminal investigation for misreporting scientific data?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 02:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and for bribing. He was developing his own MMR vaccine he hoped to sell instead
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 03:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece
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[+] taking an informal poll: did your kid have MMR vaccine? If so at what age, and were t... 1 reply
- I don't know the various vaccines, but my DD is 2.5 & we had all of the vaccines (not always flu) recommended to date....
Talk : : February 09, 2009
taking an informal poll: did your kid have MMR vaccine? If so at what age, and were there any bad reactions? TIA
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.09.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag ]I don't know the various vaccines, but my DD is 2.5 & we had all of the vaccines (not always flu) recommended to date.
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[+] Why are so many posters on this board so dumb? Whether it's vaccines, food allergies... 42 replies
Talk : : August 15, 2008
Why are so many posters on this board so dumb? Whether it's vaccines, food allergies, BPH, people are forever posting BS based on anecdotal garbage in the popular press. Where is the community of parents intelligent enough to seek out case-controlled research performed using the scientific methods that kids learn as early as middle school? Are this many parents this controlled by TV and the popular press??
42 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.15.08, 11:24 AM [ Flag ]Why would UB be any different from the population?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I s'pose that's true. I guess I think too highly of the U part. Couldn't somebody start a UParent that only caters to those university-educated-and-or-affiliated parents who are not suckered by the scaremongers?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't flatter yourself or us - plenty of suckers among that crowd too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOFL, prob more!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's hard not to get sucked into replying to all those junk posts because god forbid the stupidity continues to spread (and becomes the basis for legislation)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm guessing somewhat fewer MDs and PhDs buy into poor science and health reporting on the networks and in mommy-magazines.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
sounds like a job for you. Maybe you could call it yourenotsmartenoughtoread this.com or mensamembersandsuperproud.com
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nah, mensa people are ridiculous. I just want to have conversations in which people don't justify their opinions based on junk reporting of junk data (or no data at all).
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The world revolves on junk data. Global warming ? People can cite anything to justify what they want to see. Evolution ? hello.... It's sad but true. Science and scientific proof is in the eye of the beholder. May I offer Liberty University as exhibit 1 ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I think your post is exhibit 1. In what universe is evolution not well-demonstrated? Saw some ID idiot on TV, did you?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hi, maybe reading is on chat boards doesn't come as fluently to you as reading the results of double blind studies. I believe in evolution and global warming but for everyone who does, there is some bullshit "scientist" provideing the opposite proof to dodos who will read it as truth. Have a great day. Maybe a glass of wine later would be a positive for you.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Gotcha. Actually planning on a big fat martini with MD spouse, internet genius friend, and her jazz musician husband.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have that martini with an order of self-satisfaction. Wait, you have that already !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]most definitely. I am indeed satisfied to be me. Are you not satisfied to be you?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]quite...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:06 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Wait you are DOUBTING evolution and global warming
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NO... saying that even with OVERWHELMING proof someone will join the cast of The View and say she's not sure the earth is actually round and evolution is just a "theory".
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]tee hee...and her child will attend an exclusive NYC private school
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]BTW, I think I may have seen your nanny pushing the stroller off the edge of the world a few minutes ago.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I actually have a child allergic to nannies and strollers so I am trying to create a world without them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh god, I actually did laugh out loud. Be sure that the world you create has no 'chemicals' in it. You know that they are the root of all evil. It should be a flat nanny-less world full of dairy-free organic almond-butter kept only in glass containers.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Shit, I forgot the gluten. All teething crackers shall be rice-based.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly, wheat is an allergin. This can be taken to such an extreme. If we ban nut pruducts, do the gluten allergy sufferers get pissed ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:15 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Let's just ban all human contact. Those Mormon sects have some really good ideas. The Amish don't have these problems. There is the inbreeding issue though...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there may be some Amish secretly using computers and posting to UB then !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I read an article about a state school board that was forced by creationists to refer to evolution as an "unproven theory" in science textbooks, so they revise the textbooks to refer to everything else as an "unproven theory" as well (i.e. the unproven theory of gravity, the unproven theory of relativity, etc.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^This article was in the "popular press", however, so may have been inaccurate.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]The unproven theory that intelligent life exists in the midwest. (Duck! Incoming!!)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and in certain counties in Georgia
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oooh, careful...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]tis true tis true
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Evolution is a "theory." It is a great theory and I have absolutely no doubt it is a correct theory but by definition, it is a theory. (A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena. Random House Unabridged)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lies, damn lies and statistics...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:56 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
www.stats.org www.freerangekids.wordpress.com www.snopes.com
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]its not so much dumb as ignorant. almost nobody learns statistics adn science education is bad too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]true enough
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:03 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
YOU are coming here to post, so I guess you like to be surrounded by dumb people. Birds of a feather, y'know...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]honestly.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]as I said, I am hooked in by the notion that I'm correcting misinformation. But it is definitely like picking a scab. I need to find another hobby
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are smart after all !
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[+] 14 children children just died in Argentina due to a pneumoccal vaccine made by Glaxo... 30 replies
- Would you feel comfortable giving this experimental vaccination to your children?...
- tested is horrible. Glaxo went to Argentina, offered "free vaccinations" in super poor areas and handed out 13 page...mostly in developing countries. The company is testing the vaccine in more than 40 clinical studies around the...as safe and tolerable as Wyeth's Prevnar, a vaccine widely used against pneumococcal disease....
Talk : : August 15, 2008
14 children children just died in Argentina due to a pneumoccal vaccine made by GlaxoSmithKline AND the vaccine company takes no responsibility!
30 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.15.08, 05:45 AM [ Flag ]Why were kids participating in a drug trial? I guess life is cheap in Argentina. Despicable.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]bullshit
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEwCrRb2Fzbwpi16OY-bRvnpG3bAD92IE3KG0
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what part is bs -that they died?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It says "investigating a possible link". Ever read a medical journal? This article does not say x caused y. It says that they're looking to see if there' a possible connection between x and y. Hysteria is often the result of a failure to read closely.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't you think it is rather an odd coincidence that 14 kids who were participating in an experimental drug trial died? Hell yeah a link needs to be investigated....
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:10 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: you wrote "due to" in your op. This is not accurate until they determine cause and effect. There could have been SO many other factors. You want some examples...the children they picked to participate in the study all lived near a sewage treatment plant where they contracted some preexisting disease...they all came from just a few families with some genetic disease...there are so many alternatives...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So would YOU give your kid this experimental vaccination knowing that it may or may not be responsible for the deaths of 14 children?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I wouldn't before I read the informed consent forms. But there has been no causal link established so to assert one is misleading.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If I was to enroll my child in a drug trial I would look very closely at the prior testing and examine all my options. Participating in research is sometimes the best choice.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cars and pools are responsible for the deaths of way more than 14 children but I let my kids go in them...your logic is not at all sound.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]True, booster seats and swimming lessons for all!! Bicycle helmets (even for scooters) while we're at it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have a hard time believing that you would feel comfortable giving this drug to your kids.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The fact that you are pushing this particular point shows how illogical you are being. There are plenty of things I wouldn't do because I don't know the risks...they don't know the risks of this drug either, hence I wouldn't do it. But someone signed those consent forms...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Glaxo was told to halt the trial in Argentina because of the shady way that they were recruiting study participants. They went to poor neighborhoods and told peoole they were getting free medical care that would protect their kids. Then they handed out 13-page contracts written in legalese English to the parents who couldn't read or write, especially in English. The parents thought that they were just taking their kids to a doctor--most of them didn't know that it was experimental.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Neither is yours. You are pretty uniformed about how drug trials work and the cover-ups that occur. Don't you wonder why there are so few drug trials using American children...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]There has been No causal link established.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^ until one is, you sound like quite the alarmist.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ridiculous. I think being concerned about a vaccination that may or may not have caused 14 deaths is perfectly reasonable.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The investigation is still under way.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
zactly
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Well, of course it needs to be investigated. But until a link is shown then you mustn't say they died due to that. Do you have any idea how many children die in less developed areas every day? They could very easily have shared something else in addition to the pneumovax.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Would you feel comfortable giving this experimental vaccination to your children?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would need more information but, with doctors in the family, we are careful to make medical choices based on evidence, not anecdote. Our children have received every vaccine on schedule including the newest vaccines for HPV, meningitis, and FluMist. As soon as a vaccine is recommended by the AAP we will give it. Are you saying that you think there shouldn't be drug trials? Then how would any drug be monitored in a controlled setting for safety and efficacy before widely used? Or are you suggesting that just pediatric drugs should not be tested? You make no sense!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The way that ped drugs are tested is horrible. Glaxo went to Argentina, offered "free vaccinations" in super poor areas and handed out 13 page waivers written in English to illiterate peasants. The parents just wanted their kids to be protected--the majority of them didn't understand that it was a trial. And this happens ALL THE TIME. Sure, vaccinations are important, but using poor kids as guinea pigs is a horrendous practice.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]MD here--I would not let my child participate in any drug trials.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Glaxo's trial includes 19,000 babies in Argentina; in Panama, where another two died; and in Chile. The natural infant death rate in those countries from pneumonia is 4 to 5 of every 1,000 live births more than four times the rate seen in the study. Pneumonia is the world's top killer among infectious diseases, causing more than 2 million deaths a year in children under five, mostly in developing countries. The company is testing the vaccine in more than 40 clinical studies around the world, she added. Data show the vaccine is about as safe and tolerable as Wyeth's Prevnar, a vaccine widely used against pneumococcal disease.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Did these 14 kids die of pneumonia?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I guess they are investigating the cause of death. The point is that 14 deaths out of 19,000 vaccinations does not look causal enough to dismiss a vaccine that could save that many lives.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] anyone familiar with ped group Drs Softness, Rosenfeld, and Rosenzweig? softness won... 6 replies
- Yep, two days a week. Not sure which two, I forget. She's an absolute doll and just had a baby a few months ago which somehow makes me feel better. I actually asked her to let me know if there were any tests or vaccines that we were getting that she will not get. I don't know just seems reassuring....
Talk : : August 14, 2008
anyone familiar with ped group Drs Softness, Rosenfeld, and Rosenzweig? softness won't take a new patient--wondering how the other dr's are...tia
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.14.08, 02:41 PM [ Flag ]I have Dr. Thebner and I'm so totally in love with her it's ridiculous. Also, Dr. Rosenfeld is good by I like Thebner better.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. i'm looking into the downtown 5th ave office. is thebner there too?
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yep, two days a week. Not sure which two, I forget. She's an absolute doll and just had a baby a few months ago which somehow makes me feel better. I actually asked her to let me know if there were any tests or vaccines that we were getting that she will not get. I don't know just seems reassuring.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 02:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dc goes to Dr Brandes whom we love. We've seen all the other doctors over the years too. And BTW it's Dr. Rosenbaum, not Rosenzweig
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 02:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Rosenfeld is lovely
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 03:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We saw Softness for 10 years for my DD--loved him. My daughter asked to switch to a female doctor this year, and picked Thebner. She is wonderful--very empathetic, relates well to kids, great role model for teen-aged girl. We have seen all of the doctors over the years, and have been very happy with all of them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 04:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] my kids have insurance through child health plus - my daughter just turned 16 and i n... 111 replies
- kind of dumb rationalization to justify your willingness to let poor kids go without vaccinations and basic medical care??...
- poor kids do not go without vaccinations -- all preventative healthcare for kids up until a certain age is either...take a day off to wait at the free clinic to get a vaccination b/c they will lose their job....
Talk : : August 12, 2008
my kids have insurance through child health plus - my daughter just turned 16 and i noticed the CHP only goes up to 19; what happens after that -- particularly if she's in school? my husband and I don't have any insurance. We are in NYC.
111 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.12.08, 11:02 AM [ Flag ]Out of insurance just like kids with private health insurance
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My child has CHP through Blue Cross/Blue Shield and we pay the full premium-perhaps OR, you should get a bit of info on the program before you hurl utter nonsense around. Families w/out means to cover CHP premiums receive Medicaid through CHP, dumb ass. It's what's paying for those in need to receive often less than timely or ample healthcare for their kids. I'm happy my tax$ could be used to improve Statewide Healthcare-in ANY way; What is your info on the CHP coverage OP has? I didn't read Medicaid,; If I had, I'll let her/him know, that it will simply require transferring to an adult Medicaid coverage plan.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np your name calling does not enhance your argument
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'd rather not be as veiled as the faux politesse often posting here-but if that was a heads up, Thanks; I can't bear it when I let my literacy slip. What I meant to say was: You ignorant sliver of oligarchic detritus.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Put away the thesaurus. You are talking nonesense.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
somebody besides the taxpayers has to pay for her health insurance at that point
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Despicable. I guess you prefer to live in a society where the rich let poor children get sick and die.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nice assumptions there. I'm merely telling the truth. The taxpayers have been buying OP's DD insurance. WHen Dd turns 19, she will have to figure out another way to get it. What is innaccurate about that?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]News for you: The OP pays taxes, too. Her DD will some day as well, unless, of course, some uncovered health condition that she let go too long without treatment prevents her from working. And one day, you, too, will be a tax consumer rather than payer. I'm sure you hope she will feel more generously to YOU than you do to her.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTA, OR is an ASS
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: Maybe but it is still a bit annoying that OP does not seem to be exploring options to pay for the insurance themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you have any idea how expensive private insurance is? We used to have it (now we go through Freelancer's Union), and it was getting close to $1,500 a month when we switched 5 years ago.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what if there were other options? Allowing people in churches or neighborhoods or professions to band together for example to get group rates? What about more options for coverage? There are lot's of ideas out there that could really improve things
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If's she's not, she should but she doesn't have insurance either. I venture she can't afford it. And with the cost of coverage today I'm not surprised.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Doesn't Child Health Plus require a premium payment? It's subsidized health insurance, not free health insurance. That's Medicaid. Is that right?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are right. The others are wrong.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ignorant people don't rely on facts to make their points. -nnp
[ Reply | Options ]09.09.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
sorry but I was raised to take care of my family myself and not depend on other people to do that for me. Most of us need a little help on occasion and I have no porblem with that. What I do have a problem with is people living off of other people and whining about the poor care they are getting. Op has internet access and sounds somewhat educated. What is preventing her from taking care of her own family? I don't want to see anyone hurt but we all need to rely on ourselves a little more and not expect other people to support our children.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP used her internet access to ask a reasonable question. People like you really chap my ass. Bully for you that you've done so well so far, but let me point out your advantages: you are well-educated, nobody in your immediately family has a debilitating chronic physical or mental illness, you are in good health youself, your children are healthy, your and your spouse's career choices have all worked out well. Yes, you made good choices, but you are also LUCKY. You should be a little humble every now and then, as well as generous.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Also, you benefit from taxes in all sorts of ways. You likely went to public school, or at least the people you work with went to public school. Public school keeps rotten people like the OP's daughter occupied and even gives them a chance to get, you know, educated and successful like your wonderful self. You drive on freeways. Your streets are paved and cover over sewers, electric, and gas lines, as well as the cable or DSL lines that give you -- and the OP -- internet access.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! Wow. Quite a list there. Where did I say I didn't want to pay taxes? You are making huge assumptions about me here - none of which are true BTW. I am fine paying taxes for roads and schools. I am not fine paying taxes so that people can abuse the system and force me to take care of their familes when they are perfectly able to do so themselves. You really ought to calm down before you bust a vein and end up in the hospital, costign us all lot's of money
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you know nothing about me. I have been through some rough times. I have not made good financial decisions and have paid and am still paying that price. However, I have never relied on people to support me and my kids. I understand that luck plays a part in life. Of course it does. But hard work is much more important. I have no problem at all helpign people who truly are unable to support themselves because of some mental or physical impairment or because of some crazy circumstances for a time, but we all make choices and have to live with the consequences. We are all lucky to live in the US where there are many many opportunities. I am not saying it's easy always but there are always things that can be done. Don't assume to know anything about me. You don't.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]But you don't know anything about the OP, either, and you assumed she was some lazy freeloader. Your statement implied that you were smug and arrogant, and unfortunately nothing you have said takes away from this impression. Good for you for working hard and taking responsibility for your past poor decisions, but obviously you didn't sink that low. Humility is a virtue you should ponder. The older I get the more I appreciate how I have been lucky.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are right. I don't know anything about her except that she has been relying on other people to provide medical care for her dd for 16 years. All I said was that her DD would have to figure out some other way to get healthcare at that point and you are actiing like I told her to kill her child or something. I'm not a mean person. I give as much as I can to charity. I try to help my neighbors when I can. I just don't like the whole idea of takign money by force from one group of people so that other people don't have to work or can work less than what is required to support their family that they chose to have. That's all. I'm not against taxes for roads or schools. I'm not against taxes for police and firemen. I am against wasteful spending and enabling people to take advantage of other people. That's all.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"Taking money by force." "Income redistribution." If you are trying to justify your position or make me like you, you are failing on both counts.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! So try not paying your taxes and see what happens! I'd call that force. And what else would you call it? The left is really bad about villifying the wealthy (which BTW I am not) That only causes more wealth envy and makes people think redistributing income is a good thing.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Somehow this argument that it's "he left's"fault that ppl have envy of wealthy ppl is laughable. Pls. your original post had maybe a grain of truth but now you're reaching.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are twisting my words. I didnt' say they caused it. I mean they play on it and encourage it. They want you to think life is unfair and soem people are just lucky. That bugs me. Did you know that around 75% of millionaires are self made? They started out middle class or lower and worked hard and smart. Yes, luck is an element. Hard work and smart decisions are a much bigger element
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Healthcare for children is "wasteful spending"?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i see the poster's argument. she is not saying, i don't think, that the gov't shouldn't provide universal health coverage to the uninsured. but she is saying that those of us who can actually afford private coverage shouldn't have to give that up, or pay more in taxes to support such a plan. medicaid covers the poor and disabled. there are other low cost plans out there. the gov't could divert funds to social plans. there are lots of other options.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP pretty much but also getting the gov't out of healthcare to a great extent would lead to more innovations for covering more people. One great new thing is the "doc in a box" that is getting more popular for minor injuries, flus etc. They had to fight doctors and gov't regulations etc etc just to be able to open. Things like that are not going to come out of a beaurocracy. They come out of free enterprise and competition
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Where did it say she's been receiving free healthcare for 16 yrs?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
BS. Without taxpayer-funded public services you wouldn't be able to survive, especially in a place like NYC. Police, firemen, sanitation, streets, highways, schools...
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is a bogus argument. I am not against taxes for necessary things. I am against income redistribution. There is a huge difference
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So a poor kid needing to see the doctor isn't a necessity?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Since when is 19 a kid?
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 06:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Horrible. Just horrible.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We aren't talking about giving the poor money to buy big screen TVs and Xboxes--being able to get help when you are sick IS a necessity.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok - I know I will get flamed for this - but when I drove through the projects recently (not in NYC BTW - was on my way to a museum) why did all the balconies have satilite dishes? Maybe they are making poor choices? HHmmm???
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: So a parent making bad choices means a child should go without medical care in your mind?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Maybe because there are people living there that have higher incomes. Maybe the satellite dish company gave them away for free. Maybe they were satellite-dish shaped birdhouses. Are you seriously using this kind of dumb rationalization to justify your willingness to let poor kids go without vaccinations and basic medical care??
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]trust me. No one would live there if they had a higher income. My point is that poor people are poor largely because they have made and continue making poor financial choices. I am exluding people in extreme situations because I know that things happen and people have trouble sometiems. I'm talking about people who are capable of working who dropped out of school or got hooked on drugs or got pg at 15. Bad decisions.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Newsflash--a 15 year old is still a child... and a 15 year old who gets pg needs medical care more than anyone!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow. What a fucktard.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]poor kids do not go without vaccinations -- all preventative healthcare for kids up until a certain age is either covered 100% or is free at any public hospital or clinic. don't be so hysterical.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You have no idea about what it is to be the working poor, do you? Most poor parents can't take a day off to wait at the free clinic to get a vaccination b/c they will lose their job.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yep.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh please. Everyoen gets a day off. And if things are that dire, maybe they shouldn't be having kids they can't support anyway
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh Please? You wouldn't have the nerve to spew this crap irl; I actually do hope you have a Merry Christmas EbenezA.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I will flame you for your poor spelling.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]through the program that OP is concerned about her child aging out of, you dope!!!
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 05:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Medical care should be available to everyone that need it--not just people who can afford insurance.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np -- i am not willing to sacrifice the incredibly good health care my family gets because of our expensive private health insurance so that all people can be insured. i know that sounds awful, but i make plenty of sacrifices to afford the health insurance we have, and pay a huge amount in taxes. the government should stop spending trillions of dollars on, for example, the war, and start providing for its less fortunate citizens.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^from the funds it already gets from its more fortunate citizens.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That really does sound awful. And small-minded. Why can't we all have good health care?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok - I'm OP and I did not say that nor do I think that. The thing that frightens me is the idea of government running our healthcare system. Above I outlined some of the reasons I think that. I do not think that I somehow deserve better healthcare than someone else. I do believe in taking care of your own family and paying your own way. I worry about the consequences for everyone if we get what everyone seems to want
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]because that ideal is very pie in the sky and doesn't really work in practice. this country could offer low or no cost health insurance to its poor, but it doesn't mean it's going to be good insurance with up to date and attentive doctors. no one can be turned away from a public hospital today. do i think the gov't should do more? yes, i do. but i also would not want to wait 6 months to see an oncologist because everyone has to wait 6 months to see one (this is the way it is in the UK today, btw).
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In the UK, people who can afford it pay more for private doctors so they don't have to wait six months.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]YES! I don't want beaurocrats telling me I'm too old to have surgery! I dont' want healthcare rationed. And FWIW I don't think it's all bad for wealthy people to have access to better anything! That is why we work! That is the motivation! I don't want anyone - espesially children - dying because of money. But if I want better care or a bigger house or more cars, I have to get better jobs and work more hours!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But the poor child that doesn't get the same care that the wealthy child does didn't have choice to get a better job or work better hours. Do you really think that child is entitled to less than yours, just because he or she was born poor?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are saying that, OP -- "I do believe in taking care of your own family and paying your own way. I worry about the consequences for everyone if we get what everyone seems to want". same thing.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]children are sort of in a different catagory. Parents should provide for them, but you are right, if they don't should we just let the child go without? I don't think so. That is where some of this breaks down. I am not against subsidizing healthcare for children. But, if someone's parents haev more $$, they will have more toys, better educational opportunities, and probably better healtcare too. It's the way the world works and I'm not sure what can be done about it. It's been true forever. That is what motivates us to work and innovate and get out of bed on a rainy day. With no motivation we would all be Paris Hilton! God forbid a world full of her!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but they pay out of pocket for private healthcare services -- not private healthcare insurance, which is what is being discussed.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:30 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]makes no difference
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it is. No one in this country is going to be turned away from a hospital. It is illegal. Of course I'm sure you can drag out some anecdata about your cousin's friend's brother, but it's illegal.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]They can't be turned away, but they can get crappy treatment and get turned out as soon as possible, and often before they are fully ready. This happened to an unemployed friend of mine, and she might lose her finger because they inadequately treated an infection.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is very sad. That should nto happen to anyone. My fear is that if/when the gov't takes control, things will get worse and not better. What does the gov't run well? Nothing! They can't fire anyone, they have so much beaurocracy that it's impossible to get anything done and nothing can be changed without an act of congress! my DH works for a gov't agency and he sees it every day. The thought of healthcare being run at all by gov't scares tha crap out of me
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you can't be turned away from a public hospital, but other than pregnant women in distress (under certain provisions of the FMLA), you can indeed be turned away from a private hospital. (free medical care does not mean free excellent medical care.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]true. If I remember correctly though, if a hospital gets any federal $$, they cannot turn away patients. And I don't think anyone can turn away someone in a life threatening situation. They have to be stabalized and then they can be sent soemwhere else
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Or they can die on the floor of the emergency room waiting for a doctor to see them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes. And that happens in countries with "free" healthcare too. Sad and shoudn't happen anywhere. The fact that I am against socialized medicine does not mean I'm against healthcare. On the contrary, I think there are better ways to get to what we all want
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:20 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]ITA, but why can't our law makers come together with innovative thinkers and figure this out. Boggles the mind.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]because we keep electing the same old crooked idiots who are enmeshed in corruption! I think we need to bring back the "throw them all out" mentality from a few years ago and elect all new people this year and from now on until they do soemthing! Who's with me?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
And you, like poster below stated, know nothing about OP. I'd rather pay for keeping ppl healthy then ppl getting sick, using emergency rooms as the MD's office and end up costing me a lot more because they don't have access to preventative care. You seem so simple thinking - and arrogant.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]actually, I agree with you (well, up to the point that you called me arrogant anyway) Preventive care would be great. I just don't think more gov't red tape is the way to improve our healthcare situation. Where in all of this do you see me saying it's great now? Nowhere. The free market should have more of a chance at working. We need less gov't and not more
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We need less gov't in some areas (imo, healthcare is not one of them) and MORE gov't in others. The free market serving only the few doesn't work, as we have learned.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but teh free market, when it is really free (with only a few rules - I'm not a total capitalist) works best. Competition works best for the most people. That is truly what has made us a great country. If people are free to come up with new ways to streamline things and make it better for all of us, that is the ideal. With something like healthcare, you will always need some basic rules and some people will always need some help. But - why not make that framework as light as possible so that things don't get so weighed down in red tape? That is what the gov't is good at - red tape!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If everyone could operate within the free market with a basic moral structure then maybe I could agree. Capitalism, with fair opportunity (not equal) is the backbone of the country. And as we learned in the great depression, if we cannot take care of the needy then we are not a civilized country. I'm not advocating free loading and fraud, BTW. Signed: Successful daughter of immigrant parents ( so I know all about free market, working hard and surviving between the cracks)
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]unfettered capitalism can be bad. It can be really bad. I def think that with something as important as healthcare, there would have to be limits and rules. However, people seem to have the idea that the gov't will just give us everything for "free" and everything will be rosey for all of us. The world does not work that way. PEople don't appreciate what they get for free. The whole system will be bogged down and soon we will be in as big a mess as Canada and the UK. Scares me!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm OR from above and I agree with you. I think the reasonable way to go about it is to model what countries have a successful HCP. That mean smore taxes for sure but for the right reasons, IMO. I would like to see ppl as irate as OP about war spending, or the penal system which is a complete money suck to the tax payers, yet it is a cash cow for private contractors. Her outrage seems misplaced. And her solution of free market health care doesn't work.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think the whole tax and spend thing has got to change! And the reps are no better than the dems lately! They all need a wake up call or this country will really be in trouble. People complain now but things are great compared to what they will be if we don't get spending under control! That is part of teh reason I'm so against more gov't programs. We cant even fund the ones we have! We need to cut spending to bare bones and balance the budget and pay off the deficit. THEN we can talk about gov't programs!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^also, how do you know the free market approach won't work? It hasn't really been tried
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think it's the height of arrogance to suggest OP doesn't work hard because her kids rec. healthc overage through a publicly funded program. No one is suggesting that we like paying for those unwilling to do for themselves but you don't know any of her details. Maybe OP is a lazy moocher, maybe not.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Good for you! I get so sick of all these stupid UBers who get health insurance from work and pay nothing and blab about how they are subsidizing people like me (NP). Newsflash: I can't bargain like your company can, so I'm actually subsidizing YOU. When I can freaking afford to pay $25,000 a year, which isn't all the time.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So it is ok to rely on other taxpayers to foot the bill if your house catches fire or if you are mugged?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]see above
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Those people should be more careful - practice fire safety and avoid dangerous areas! Then they wouldn't need the police or the fire department, and the taxpayers wouldn't need to pay.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's realistic...
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np maybe if taxes were lower, OP could afford insurance for her family
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I just want to point out that this statement is factually correct...someone else besides taxpayers...everyone is flying into a tizzy but the OR is correct
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:30 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]thank you. And I think we ought to be able to discuss the facts without name calling. Silly me.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: there was a whole lot fo projecting going on there.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! Seriously! You would think I was GWB or something!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:55 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
This has become a long sub-thread, but the truth is, I agree with OR. I had my parents' insurance until I was 18 and then I was on my own. Thankfully, colleges have some medical services available, so I'd use that when I was sick. Not sure what I would have done in a catastropher. Why should OP's daughter be any different?
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 05:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Many colleges have health insurance plans. Also, NYS has a subsidized insurance plan for adults.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If she goes to a 4 yr university, she should be able to get coverage through the school. At the school I attended, everyone is automatically enrolled unless they provided proof of insurance and opted out. The fees were automatically included in the semester tuition/fee charges.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]same here. insurance was inexpensive too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it isn't like they are paying a lot of claims...
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
BUT be careful. A lot of times this is a geographically limited coverage.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]better than nothing, which is OP's dd's situation, it seems.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NO. OP's daughter has insurance.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]she won't once she turns 19.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you guys really not understand CHP? Our dc is covered through CHP. Since our HHI is above a certain amount, we pay the maximum premium monthly. It has nothing to do with taxpayers paying for it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Even it taxpayers were 100% paying for it, I don't understand how anyone can seriously say they disagree with providing healthcare to children, who are not responsible for their parents' choices or their own economic circumstances.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well that's true too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
most colleges have health plans. (of course you might have to pay for it! sorry about that part. Better when other people pay for things.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, she'll have to pay the portion that is not subsidized by the university. Just like how with CHP she pays the portion that is not subsidized by the government, and for my private health insurance I pay the portion that is not subsidized by my employer.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Healthy New York might be available to both your daughter and you and your husband.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^^^ thank you so much for answering this question.. all this other crap was unnecessary.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are welcome!
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 06:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If your kids go to college, the school will sponsor a plan that will be relatively affordable to them. They'll be in a healthier pool.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 05:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Did anyone read the article on college age kids and the need to get vaccinated with M... 9 replies
- In NY, college students are required to either get the vaccine or to affirm in writing that they understand the risks of not getting the vaccine and have chosen to not be vaccinated....
- also, long-term effectiveness of vaccine hasn't been tested, as it is relatively new, so it makes sense to give it to the population at the age that...
Talk : : August 07, 2008
Did anyone read the article on college age kids and the need to get vaccinated with Menactra against Meningitis? I have a college age ds and it scared the life out of me. The author described how a few kids were saved but only after both theri arms and legs were amputated! Needless to say I called his dr and confirmed he has had the shot. Why don't we immunize younger children? I have a 7y/o too.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.07.08, 04:19 PM [ Flag ]Because the risk of meningitis rises when people live in close quarters: Military barracks, college dorms, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I see
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]also, long-term effectiveness of vaccine hasn't been tested, as it is relatively new, so it makes sense to give it to the population at the age that they're most likely to contract the disease (e.g. teens rather than toddlers)
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
very good idea. I had a friend in college years ago who went home for the summer and didn't come back. Died from it over the break. Very sad. First responder is right about the close quarters
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what's so unbelievable is that the article (Personal Journal Section of the wSJ) said that only 12% of college age kids receive this vaccination.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would have thought it was higher now. I don't think that existed when I was in college (in the early 80's)
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not offered until the early 00's
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's what I thought. You had better believe though that DD will get it as a teen!
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
In NY, college students are required to either get the vaccine or to affirm in writing that they understand the risks of not getting the vaccine and have chosen to not be vaccinated.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] if you love your pediatrician, in MNAhattan or BErgen county, please let me know 8 replies
- gives us practical advice about everything (incl helping me with breastfeeding) and genuinely cares about our sons' well-being. The office is also brand new, the staff is ultra-friendly/responsive, and they follow a slower vaccination schedule....
Talk : : August 05, 2008
if you love your pediatrician, in MNAhattan or BErgen county, please let me know
8 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.05.08, 12:29 PM [ Flag ]Dr. Gold at Tribeca Pediatrics--love, love, love her!
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. why?
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She is extremely attentive--spends as much time as we need answering our questions during our monthly visits. My db has had a few issues and she not only calls us to discuss the test results, but she has called us to check in over the weekend to find out how things are going. We are clueless first time parents and she patiently gives us practical advice about everything (incl helping me with breastfeeding) and genuinely cares about our sons' well-being. The office is also brand new, the staff is ultra-friendly/responsive, and they follow a slower vaccination schedule.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dr Stephen Schwartz at NYU. He was my Ped and I trust him completely. He's old school and isn't quick to give meds for every little thing. He also is easy to get a hold of or anyone covering for him. Never an issue getting an appt with my kids were sick. 212-263-7220
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Where is his office? Does he take insurance?
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dr. Staci Bodner - Columbia East Side - Great Practice! Manhattan Pediatrics on 60th and Madison!
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Dr. Ginsberg PArk Ave pediatrics
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Dr. Brovinder, Globel Pediatrics UES
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I knew I LOVED Amanda Peet! I knew it. Never knew why! But I knew it. Rock on sister!... 4 replies
- read below - vaccine vs autism interview...
Talk : : August 05, 2008
I knew I LOVED Amanda Peet! I knew it. Never knew why! But I knew it. Rock on sister!
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.05.08, 05:29 AM [ Flag ]ITA!
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what did she do to make you realize you love her?
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]read below - vaccine vs autism interview
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 06:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I didn't know until now but g-d bless her
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 06:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Dude! Nobody is here! I can't even get a reaction on the vaccine/autism post
Talk : : August 05, 2008
[+] anyone catch the Amanda Peete interview on GMA just now? Take that Jenny McCarthy! 7 replies
- she said that people who don't vaccinate their children are parasites. She did apologize for that, but said she stood by her assertion that vaccines are a good thing. She sounded really well read and...
- she said that people who don't vaccinate their kids are parasites, and that vaccines are important and people should stop listening to self appointed celebrities and start listening to experts....
Talk : : August 05, 2008
anyone catch the Amanda Peete interview on GMA just now? Take that Jenny McCarthy!
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.05.08, 05:14 AM [ Flag ]what did she say
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]she said that people who don't vaccinate their children are parasites. She did apologize for that, but said she stood by her assertion that vaccines are a good thing. She sounded really well read and intelligent and not hysterical like some people. Glad our side has a spokesperson too now
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]she said that people who don't vaccinate their kids are parasites, and that vaccines are important and people should stop listening to self appointed celebrities and start listening to experts.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
why do any of us listen to these people. I can't believe Jenny McCarthy and Amanda Peete have become spokespeople. What is wrong with this world?
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! That's kind of what AP said. She had obviously done some research but said don't listen to us, go read
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]actually if you saw the interview she specifically said that she feels unqualified to speak about this and thinks that people should listen to experts and hte only reason she has come out and spoken is becuase she knows people will listen to her and all she wants to tell them is to listen to what all the experts say...Vaccinate!
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and then she went on and sounded really intelligent about the subject. She has obviously done her homework and isn't basing her opinion on coincidence and hearsay.
[ Reply | Options ]08.05.08, 05:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] taking 1yo db for his 1yr check up tomorrow. dr says he can't split the MMR due to l... 58 replies
- there is no mercury in ANY vaccines other than the flu shot. and you can always...
- no, Administering the vaccines in three separate doses does not reduce the...for sure that there are any links with vaccinations, but my feeling is "why take the chance?"...about vaccines. There's been no mercury in vaccines for YEARS and the autism rates are going...can be in adolescents and adults (see The Vaccine Book by Sears). You could still get...
Talk : : July 30, 2008
taking 1yo db for his 1yr check up tomorrow. dr says he can't split the MMR due to lack of availability of the individual vaccines. should I be worried?
58 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.30.08, 11:40 AM [ Flag ]yes, go get them yourself
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: how?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NYU pharmacy
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: can you explain? I doubt I can just walk in to the NYU pharmacy and get vaccines...
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]get a priscription from your dr
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you can't do that (but you can switch peds)
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: but I like my ped - would mind refer me to another ped just for the shots? do they do that?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no. why are you set on having them separated?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: b/c all this hype about the mercury in the MMR causing autism is making me nervous. not sure what to believe!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there is no mercury in ANY vaccines other than the flu shot. and you can always request thymerisol-free vacs
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]wrong!!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np. yep and most peds use only thymerisol free vaxs now anyway
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I was told it does have mercury
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, it does, dont listen to any of this
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, Administering the vaccines in three separate doses does not reduce the chance of adverse effects, and it increases the opportunity for infection by the two diseases not immunized against first.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: thanks for quoting wikipedia
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no problem - just trying to tell you to calm down and trust your doctor whom you like
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Please go to this web site and see what the Centers for Disease Control say about the MMR and autism: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/mmr_autism_factsheet.htm Links on the page will also tell you about thimerosal.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]MMR does not have mercury but it has cow guts and genetically modified matter that is why it is so controversial.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: believe your ped that you like and have trusted for a year
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I hear ya loud and clear but I'm just so nervous about this. there is so much conflicting info out there.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]just get the shot and stop worrying about it. I'm sure you had the shot, I had the shot, most of us had it and all of us are fine
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: its funny - you sound like my rational side! I've said the same thing to myself....
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]just trying to help be your rational side... good luck, I am sure all will be fine (there are so many more studies disproving the link than proving it, and it is much safer for your db to be vaccinated than not)
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: oh, I def. believe in vaccinations but there is just soooo much inaccurate info out there about the MMR and its hard to figure out what to believe.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i would put my trust in ped, but do discuss your concerns w/ him
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's normal for you to be nervous, but really trust your doctor and know that your db will be just fine.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, there is a reason why there is a lack of availibility
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, there is really no need to split them up unless db has had bad rxn to vacs in the past (this is a new, UB-fueled phenomenon)
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTTTTTTTTTA!! silly
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok michael savage
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know who that is, but if you read some actual studies rather than just going by the crap on here you might learn something
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok ped hear, trust me i read planty of studies
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, i know here
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]a ped who can't spell? something's fishy
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Was just wondering how she made it through medical school without learning the difference between "hear" and "here."
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and "planty"?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Didn't even notice that!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i am a doctor, what do you do?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am psychiatrist and call your bluff
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ a psychiatrist, rather
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]??? grammar problems?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, a stuck 'a' key problem
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np you sound angry, get yourself some happy pills
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np LOL! Does he say that too? I can't stand him but I guess I have to agree with him on this
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol. and i actually like to listen to michael savage. but he was way off about the autism stuff.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what do you like about him? I love talk radio but can't stand him! All he does is complain. He never has ideas about how to make things better
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'd say that most talk radio personalities don't have ideas, they have observations and criticisms. that being said, i think he has valid points and some insights onto problems in our society. and he's nutty enough to be very entertaining.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Some personalities are liek that. My faves though have ideas about how to make things bette. Neal Boortz is entertaining and obnoxious but still has some good ideas for example. Gotta go! DD waking up!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]never heard of him. i'll have to look into it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]check out boortz.com. He is a libertarian and really funny
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
are you joking?
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not a bit
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't know for sure that there are any links with vaccinations, but my feeling is "why take the chance?" I'm getting them split, first round next week for my dd.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I can't believe that despite overwhelming evidence you people are still paranoid about vaccines. There's been no mercury in vaccines for YEARS and the autism rates are going up. Only clues so far on autism are a genetic link and an Israeli study that showed linkage to older fathers. Stop driving your pediatrician nuts with your belief in voodoo!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There is still a small amount of mercury in the DTap and there is formaldehyde and aluminum too. MMR does not have these ingredients but it has other ones that worry parents. I think it natural to be concerned.
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What about delaying the MMR? These diseases are not particularly serious in kids, but can be in adolescents and adults (see The Vaccine Book by Sears). You could still get them before your dc starts school, if that's a concern. DD is one, and I am delaying this one. GL...
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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Anyone know if there is a vaccine for menegitis(sp?)? TIA
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.30.08, 07:07 AM [ Flag ]i've seen tv commericials for it recently
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, Menactra. Here's info from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/meningitis/bacterial/faqs.htm#meningitis
[ Reply | Options ]07.30.08, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Does anyone have recommendations for Dr's in NYC that are more open minded when it co... 5 replies
Talk : : July 29, 2008
Does anyone have recommendations for Dr's in NYC that are more open minded when it comes to vaccinations? Before I get totally flamed I'm not looking to stop vaccinating just spread them out and my dr is completlty unsupportive. TIA.
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.29.08, 11:07 AM [ Flag ]We go to Tribeca Pediatrics. We are doing 2/shots per month. I really like them.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My peds -- West End Pediatrics -- don't do more than 3 shots at the same time. I'm sure they would be willing to accommodate you and spread them out even more. I couldn't believe when I heard my friend say her ped have her db 5 shots on the same day.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]pediatrics east on 81st. broke up MMR - slowed down sched - no issues w/ it
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]cornell med.?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We go to Park Ave. Pediatrics (E. 90th) -- they split up shots if you request
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] 4 month old vaccinated today. Now has 103 fever- is this normal? Seems a bit high ju... 6 replies
- probably fine. my dd had fevers too when vaccinated but highest was 101. give some tylenol and call ped in the morning...
Talk : : July 28, 2008
4 month old vaccinated today. Now has 103 fever- is this normal? Seems a bit high just because of shots?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.28.08, 06:22 PM [ Flag ]call ped, seems high to me also
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]probably fine. my dd had fevers too when vaccinated but highest was 101. give some tylenol and call ped in the morning
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]103 is very high for a four month old. I would call the ped ASAP--don't wait until morning.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Probably the shots, but I would call the dr right away.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thats a reaction to one of the vaccines. split them up from now on. or your kid is going to be messed up. when you split them up you can find out which one is effecting him. dr. sears alternate schedule.
[ Reply | Options ]08.28.08, 10:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Are there hard statistics supporting the arguments for not vaccinating or delayed vax... 2 replies
- One mainstream source for delayed vaxing is the Sears book- called the Vaccine Book, I think. If there are hard statistics supporting delayed vaxing, the studies would be in there, I would think...
Talk : : July 28, 2008
Are there hard statistics supporting the arguments for not vaccinating or delayed vaxing? Everytime I think I've found something non-anecdotal I come across an article debunking the information. It's for a class and the professor has already warned us that the last time she gave the assignment she got too many anecdotal responses for the position.
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.28.08, 11:39 AM [ Flag ]One mainstream source for delayed vaxing is the Sears book- called the Vaccine Book, I think. If there are hard statistics supporting delayed vaxing, the studies would be in there, I would think
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I think I'll have to buy it. I was trying to avoid that but it's checked out at all the local libraries.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] The PA at our ped's office is condescending and doesn't listen to anything we say at ... 13 replies
- I understood. Our practice has no nurse or PAs. the doctor weighs kids, take emergency calls, gives vaccines, etc. It is nice, more opportunity to talk about development and concerns. i don't need a PA to convey and prep the doctor first....
Talk : : July 28, 2008
The PA at our ped's office is condescending and doesn't listen to anything we say at our appointments. I notice this, then my mother went with me to an appointment and commented on it, then dh commented on it so I don't think I'm being oversensitive. I want to say something but don't know to whom I would complain and I also am somehow worried that the office will flag out chart and consider us complainers or something. What would you do?
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.28.08, 06:49 AM [ Flag ]I just request that we see anyone but the Dr. I dislike. The office staff totally get it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's the physican's assistant who sees us first, weighs dd, and then communicates our issues to the dr. i don't even know if there's another one in the office.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So you aren't happy with their personality? Because it doesn't sound like ti effects the ultimate treatment you receive by the Dr.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]uh, no. i'm unhappy that she doesn't listen to our issues and speaks to us as though we are dumb. it might not affect the treatment, but it could given that the PA communicates our issues to the dr before we see the doctor. it certainly affects our experience there and would be pretty maddening if dd were really ill.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Chnage practices so I saw a doctor instead of a PA.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we see the pa first, then the doctor
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I understood. Our practice has no nurse or PAs. the doctor weighs kids, take emergency calls, gives vaccines, etc. It is nice, more opportunity to talk about development and concerns. i don't need a PA to convey and prep the doctor first.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh, i see.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Well what would you do if a doctor spoke to you like this, really no difference in how I want to be treated.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:03 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]there are lots of peds in the practice so i would just not go back to that ped. you don't get to pick your PA and we always get the same one. i think if I ask not to get that PA the person taking the appointment i likely to be friends with her as opposed to a doctor.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
sounds like you need to explore other ped's office in your area
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Dr.'s wife here. When the attending physician (the doctor) comes in, have a discussion with him or her about the PA. Explain exactly what behavior has made you uncomfortable. Be very calm, and specific, so you sound reliable. The attending is the boss and should not be losing business b/c of the PA, if he/she doesn't know about the behavior. Explain that it makes you so uncomfortable that you've considered going elsewhere. They aren't going to "flag" your chart, ESPECIALLY if you seem like nice, reasonable people. Dr.'s don't like patients who act like they are the only people who matter, who demand ridiculous things, etc., but they obviously want to hear from patients with legitimate concerns about their staff.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]the pa remains in the room during the appointment and her attitude is much better once the doctor is there. i find it impossible to believe that they haven't gotten complaints about this woman. we certainly aren't demanding anything and don't think we are the only people who matter . . . i don't think anyone in any profession appreciates those traits ;()
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Would you find this to be out of line from a pediatrician? --- we moved states so cha... 10 replies
- what do you think about putting those false health issues on her medical record? Most of the time, we were bringing her in for vaccinations, i don't think the rashes, pale skin and etc ever happened....
Talk : : July 28, 2008
Would you find this to be out of line from a pediatrician? --- we moved states so changed insurance but the insurance co needed dd's health records bf approving us. the company contacted our ped who decided they would not release the records but never bothered to tell us or the ins comp even tho i called to ask about it. finally, we sent them a check and they sent us the records, but it took almost two months for this whole process. no one in the ped's office seemed to tell us the same thing twice and they kept talking about how "it's not their fault. it's not their fault." In addition, it turns out they were putting health issues on her record that didn'a actually happen. nothing serious. things like rashes or pale skin, supposedly did this so it could be claimed thru the insur as a medically necessary visit. is that standard?
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.28.08, 06:17 AM [ Flag ]yes, they want photocopy money and a signed release
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i asked them abt that. the ended up sending it to us without a release at all. and the insurance comp had a release they just refused to give it to the insur comp. i'm so pissed off about this. the almost two months it took cost us an extra 2000 dollars paying for COBRA.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Doctors underpay their support staff because they are underpaid by insurance companies, which burden them with heaps of paperwork that have to be completed by the underpaid support staff. Common but of course extremely frustrating.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what do you think about putting those false health issues on her medical record? Most of the time, we were bringing her in for vaccinations, i don't think the rashes, pale skin and etc ever happened.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]were they paid by insurance for something that never happened ?
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]for the visit itself, i believe. but ultimately, it's also a false record of what things have gone on with dd.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but did they submit that they had done some treatment for these issues ?
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i don't know what they did. i do wonder, tho, if that is part of the reason why the dr had such a problem sending the files out. there were quite a few times the support staff told me dd's file was on the main drs desk waiting for his go ahead. that he has to review everything bf it goes out. but he wasn't her main dr.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I suspect it's just incompetence, but since you are feeling angry, you can tell the insurance company about it and they can investigate for fraud if they think it's worth it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was considering posting on Park Slope parents about it. Nothing accusatory, just an overview of what happened.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] No concern about your granite countertops? What about pregnant moms whose bellies are... 16 replies
- Yes I asked last night. Considering the neurotic moms here I am amazed no one seems to care. So its ok to skip a vaccine but don't ask a girl to lose her granite counters....
Talk : : July 25, 2008
No concern about your granite countertops? What about pregnant moms whose bellies are counter level?
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.25.08, 01:41 PM [ Flag ]huh?
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Granite just found to release v. high levels of radon and radiation in some cases.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Front page NY Times Home section yesterday
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
???
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Then go back to formica
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why are you arguing with me? I'm having mine tested and taken out if necessary
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you just want an excuse to get new countertops.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you serious? If you have granite and you are NOT worried that is just stupid.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]chillax
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It seems your real question is "why aren't you arguing with me" Haven't you been trying to post this Q several times already?
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes I asked last night. Considering the neurotic moms here I am amazed no one seems to care. So its ok to skip a vaccine but don't ask a girl to lose her granite counters.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you sure that you're not just sore that your post was ignored while others like the a-hole parking problem and the DB at the wedding are getting an overwhelming response? BTW, no granite here.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]...could be. That DB at the wedding post was a barn burner!
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yay, I have marble!
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have silestone and my concern was it braining my child who's cranium reached counter height by about 18 months
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 02:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"Braining" hee hee...
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Is my 4 yr old in any danger if she has had vaccines but some classmates haven't due ... 3 replies
Talk : : July 25, 2008
Is my 4 yr old in any danger if she has had vaccines but some classmates haven't due to "religious exemptions"???
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.25.08, 08:06 AM [ Flag ]she should be fine
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]sniff, sniff... smells like a trigger post to me - but if not, just talk to your ped about your concerns.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: lol, trigger it is!
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 08:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Interesting article, there's a potential link between TV watching before age 3 and au... 2 replies
- maybe now people on here will vaccinate their kids...
Talk : : July 24, 2008
Interesting article, there's a potential link between TV watching before age 3 and autism. http://www.slate.com/id/2151538/
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.24.08, 06:18 AM [ Flag ]maybe now people on here will vaccinate their kids
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.08, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why in the world would you bring up such an old article out of the blue?
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.08, 06:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] anyone ever travel w/pets on an airline that required letter from vet saying the vacc...
Talk : : July 22, 2008
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