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[+] Gonna take dc to movies with some friends for his bday. Dc is not allowed to have pop... 12 replies
- i think its fine to not have popcorn. my ds has multiple food allergies and i dont serve stuff hes allergic to at his party....
Talk : : February 13, 2009
Gonna take dc to movies with some friends for his bday. Dc is not allowed to have popcorn because of medical reasons. Do I ask the other kids not to eat it and bring another good snack. It is his bday after all.
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.13.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag ]-
yeah, but ds really is looking forward to this.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]which movie? how old? how many kids? Just curious b/c thinking of moving away from party routine for my kid's 7th bday
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
how old are the kids? I think I would offer popcorn to other kids and make sure bday get gets something he really loves.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]buy other snacks and don't even mention popcorn
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]get the kids popcorn! your dc knows that he can't have it and you can get him something else. btw, what "medical reason" can you not have popcorn?
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]had an operation on his colon
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: wow. you are insensitive
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: seriously. There are lots of reasons one could not have popcorn. I can't eat it because I have Crohn's, and dd can't (temporarily) becauase of her braces.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 11:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you expect the kids to get/bring their own snacks? don't you control what snacks are bought?
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 10:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think its fine to not have popcorn. my ds has multiple food allergies and i dont serve stuff hes allergic to at his party.
[ Reply | Options ]02.13.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Take them all to a bulk candy store before the movie and let them pick out an amount for themselves... they can get whatever they want (a lot of these places also have pretzels and non-candy) and no one will miss the popcorn
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[+] WWYD if your 6 yo DS suddenly started talking about "suicide" and "jumping out the wi... 23 replies
- This was our kid at 7. As absurd as this sounds, this behavior was the result of a food allergy. Cutting out the food made it stop completely. It happened again once a few months later, and we discovered he'd eaten...
- wow -- how did you figure that out? what was the allergy?...
Talk : : February 11, 2009
WWYD if your 6 yo DS suddenly started talking about "suicide" and "jumping out the window" or "getting a big japanese kitchen knife and cutting [his] throat"? The comments seem almost exclusively in response to not getting his way, but WTF?? I don't think he's really going to do any of this stuff, but is this normal?
23 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]02.11.09, 04:22 PM [ Flag ]no
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]please get this child some help ASAP.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: To clarify, he not a depressed kid. I think he does this to get a rise out of me (it doesn't, except when he did actually get his hand on the knife). And it's when he's pissed I won't let him do something. I give him heaps of positive attention, and 99 percent of the time he's an amazing, funny, very smart little kid. I just don't get the suicide banter.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow. this actually terrifies me--that he put his hand on the knife. I would take this very seriously--have not heard of any talk like this among kids this little.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This was our kid at 7. As absurd as this sounds, this behavior was the result of a food allergy. Cutting out the food made it stop completely. It happened again once a few months later, and we discovered he'd eaten the allergen at a friend's home that day.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow. is this a common/documented thing?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There's a book that touches on it -- Doris Rapp's Is This Your Child -- but plenty of people dismiss the data. I have no idea if it's universal, and I can't guarantee that it wasn't just coincidence in our case. But I'm grateful that our "fix" seems to have resolved the problem. It was terrifying.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
wow -- how did you figure that out? what was the allergy?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We made ourselves crazy. Kept a detailed diary for weeks documenting what he ate, how much he'd slept, any other physical symptoms. The only consistent factor was wheat. Not only did the behavior stop when we cut out wheat, the dark circles under his eyes went away as well.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
But where in the world does he get these ideas? My 6 y.o. doesn't even know about killing, let along killing himself. Or that a knife at the throat would be how that would happen.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: This is actually my biggest concern. But actually reading a couple of these posts I think I will mention to his ped -- we have a checkup next week.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTA....does he see violent video games or have comics or watch TV shows w/you at night????
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I understand that MOST of the time he's fine, but he;'s expressing these ideas and feelings when he's angry. He needs help coping in a way that doesn't pathologize his behavior an make it worse. I'd talk to a child shrink for guidance. Does your school have a developmental psychologist they can refer you to? YOU could speak to them first, and maybe even avoid ds having to meet with them. The Dr. could gave you some strategies to help him. P.S. Ixnay on the tv or video games. These violent ideas and biological facts are coming from somewhere.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree totally esp on last point
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto. any evidence of impulsive behavior or ADHD?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
where did he get the idea of suicide? my 6 y/o ds tries to get a rise out of me by saying he wishes he was dead or that he is stupid but i ignore it. he also likes to say he is poor (and he isn't by a long stretch). He doesn't watch tv or play video games or see any movies. I know - we are freaks. My ped says this is normal. FWIW he has a twin brother who doesn't say any of these things. Keep an eye and dialogue.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'd speak to a professional just in case. (even if it's just your pediatrician). but if it was my dc, i'd guess that he/she is trying to get a rise out of me. when my dc say stuff like this i ask them to be more specific. what does it mean, suicide? what will happen if you jump out the window? what does a japanese kitchen knife look like?
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: I've talked with DS about this -- always calmly and usually not in the moment, so he's had a chance to cool down. But it's hard to *really* know what his understanding is of these issues. Oh, and he knows which one is the Japanese knife since that's the one he grabbed -- he calls it the sudoku knife.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's cute. i'd talk to your pediatrician about it. don't talk to anyone in dc's school.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I worked in a child psych unit many years ago. I had a student there who was one of the most beautiful, nicest kids in the world. He was in because he said stuff like that to his mom for attention and when he didn't get it he hung himself from the patio of their second story apt. (I don't remember his age but my class there was 3rd-5th graders.) I'm not trying to shit on your parade but get your kid some professional help.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 04:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My 16 yo did some of that at about that age. He is fine, a little hot headed. He did have a newish difficult sibling and I'm not sure he ever picked up a knife. He is still a little over dramatic but alive and lovely. I don't know what is going on with your ds and it couldn't hurt to talk to a professional if it keeps up but he's not the only one.
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Immediately see a child therapist. I would worry about it for sure - sounds narcissistic...as in a psychiatric diagnosis (a behavioral condition...these can develop into personality disorders).
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]BUT - do not medicate. Also, try changing diet - I agree. Sometimes psychological issues stem also from "gut health" - you should google it. Try to find RAW milk (they deliver it from Penn), and in general research what a child needs for proper gut health
[ Reply | Options ]02.11.09, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Why do parents of nut allergy children come off as total whackos? My dd loves peanut ... 50 replies
- Dairy and egg allergies are occuring more and more frequently. These kids have...the Americans With Disabilities act - which kids with allergies fall under - schools are to make reasonable accomadations...to extend the courtesy of observing some protocols regarding food allergies; it seems in keeping w/basic human...as well, the other foods in conflict w/ the health of certain inviduals. imo...
Talk : : August 16, 2008
Why do parents of nut allergy children come off as total whackos? My dd loves peanut butter.
50 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.16.08, 01:38 PM [ Flag ]What brought this up? I don't care if peanut butter, etc isn't allowed at school. But I think it's a bit too much to want everyone to get egg-free and dairy-free bread to make only turkey or ham sandwiches, with no cheese.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Dairy and egg allergies are occuring more and more frequently. These kids have every right to demand that - like peanuts - these ingredients be kept out of school.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why? what are the risks and what are the alternatives?
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I was annoyed when my son's school went totally nut-free... then the cafeteria was actually serving PBJ sandwiches!
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's not about loving pb...some kids are deathly allergic. My kids are fine, but since it is a fairly common allergy, why not air on the safe side? Just give your kids pb at home. And learn to be a bit more compassionate while you are at it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]its not just pb
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 04:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I totally agree. One persons allergy becomes every one else's fire drill.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: my kid is actually deathly allergic to nuts. I'm fine w/people eating pb around her but I do ask them to wash their hands after -- if schools did the basic stuff (as in, wipe down a table before a kid eats, asks all kids to wipe/wash hands after, then everyone could gorge themselves on pb and no one would be hurt). Maybe ask your school to help institute a policy so that your child can eat their peanut butter (or whatever) and other kids can avoid getting sick.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry but its not the school responsibility to wipe down your childs table or wash everyone's hands. Teach your child to bring a placemat and instruct them to use care when handling materials - they have to protect themselves and not expectthat even the most well intentioned people can do it for them. Where does this end?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 05:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're not sorry. You're a jerk. That's fine advice for a 14 yo, but inadequate for a 4 yo. (NP, by the way, with no peanut allergies in the family, thank goodness.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If my 4 year old had such deadly allergies I would be hard pressed to trust the indifferent, uneducated and/or too busy parents of classmates to safeguard my childs health.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 08:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: The "nut free" environment is just one part of an elaborate, multi-level plan to safeguard the child's health.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 08:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So you'd homeschool until your kid was 14? That makes no sense
[ Reply | Options ]08.17.08, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: Thanks for that great response. One of my dcs has nut allergies -- the only one in our family ever -- and it is deadly serious.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How do you teach a kindergartener to do this? Are they supposed to recognize what their peers are eating and move to another table? Are they supposed to have the negotiation skills to arrange a peanut free table on their own?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 08:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
actually it is the school's responsiblity - according to the Americans With Disabilities act - which kids with allergies fall under - schools are to make reasonable accomadations - and wiping down a table and having kids wash their hands - falls under reasonable
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is it all nuts or just peanuts?
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
your lack of compassion is revolting. be sure to pass that selfishness on to your kids so they can be jerks too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 02:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OP I'm not clear why are you are so worked up over this. You're spending time on a Sat night posting about "other" crazy parents. Kind of seems like you're the nutter (har har bad pun) over here.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Maybe because it's a deadly allergy. Not a rash, or even wheezing, but DEADLY. Show some sensitivity.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]While I know that there are kids who genuinely have these allergies, it does seem overwhelmingly like food allergies are the new munchhausen syndrome...
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]for example, see below. jesus christmas they're giving me a headache. when you stop acting like your kid's food allergy is a status symbol, then i'll start taking it seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Okay, Let's try to be slightly reasonable here; the occurrences of allergies of all kinds are on the rise-along w/increasingly bizarre strains of viral and bacterial illnesses. There are definitely sensitivity issues on the table. A vigilant stance to help combat the sometimes fatal and often debilitating effects of food allergies should be in keeping w/the protocols in place for other health concerns. It's an inconvenience and sometimes a risk to get an influenza vaccination but in most cases can offer protection from a serious manifestation of symptoms or community-wide outbreaks of major illnesses. I'm neither allergic or heavily pro-vaccination, yet it seems like a lot of griping going on against sensible tactics which may help protect some children, that could be seriously harmed or killed. My child loves pb but in my experience, the awful effects of allergic reactions are real and not 'Munchhausened' by families that have these real concerns. The evidence is not anecdotal and I know my child can have these foods when not in contact w/other kids. We don't eat many over-processed foods anyway, so it may be simpler for us to control what is in what. Yes, it sucks, but it's worth it to extend the courtesy of observing some protocols regarding food allergies; it seems in keeping w/basic human compassion.
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]protect some children. To label this Munchhausen-like behavior is neither humane or realistic. Our kids will have other times to enjoy their favorite foods. PB can be eaten on weekends, after school, vacation-whatever...as well, the other foods in conflict w/ the health of certain inviduals. imo, a lot of these issues have been exacerbated by the tremendous consumption of highly processed foods; a less processed food diet would likely decrease the rise of sensitivities and make it much simpler for all of us to exercise proper control over increasing the risks for sensitive individuals. Have some heart(and brains); my heart would break for you if your child were harmed by a preventable cause.
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
They really have to be vigilant on behalf of child who is too young to know better...give them a break! Don't non-compassionate non-empathetic people come off as total WACKOs?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 08:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dc love peanut butter as well. But they eat it at home because some of the dc in their class have serious allergies. I don't see the big deal. FWIW, my dd is allergic to eggs. But she isn't so allergic that an egg salad sandwich on the other side of the table is going to hurt her.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 08:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What does your child loving pb have to do with allergies?
[ Reply | Options ]08.17.08, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]because she will be eating a pb+j everyday at school
[ Reply | Options ]08.17.08, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So give her something else if there's a rule against it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.17.08, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why not try soynut butter or sunflower seed butter - the first is considered safe in school i'm not sure about the second - but they taste pretty good
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
for a kid with a severe not allergy, your kid bringing a pb&j sandwhich is like a kid bringing a gun to school. a kid in scarsdale just smooshed a pb sandwich into an allergic kids face (and got suspended). sorry if they seem whacko to you, they just want their kids to be safe.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]did the allergic kid die?
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, thank god
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 07:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I just did a search on this. I could find no record.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it happened. seely place school in the edgemont section of scarsdale.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 07:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
remember the girl who kissed her boyfriend and he had eaten peanut butter earlier that day? (she died. i think she was 14yo)
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 07:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i remember that. the original poster is a jerk. anyone with any compassion or decency would put a child's life before a sandwich.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]poster below. i understand it's an inconvenience to parents. but then i think of all the hysteria over safety issues and i think it's just a lack of compassion from some people.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This report has been completely debunked. The girl died from an asthma attack. The coroner has been really vocal about this but nobody ever quotes the correction because the myth of the "deadly kiss" is so much more interesting.
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]whatever. nut allergies are real, and deadly, and if your kid had one, you'd be as outraged by some of the posts on this thread as i am.
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]asthma is one of a deadly reactions of food allergy
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 05:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]THE CORONER SAID IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PEANUT BUTTER HER BOYFRIEND ATE. This is exactly what the OP is talking about.
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So glad you posted this. That report WAS debunked yet this is still a story that is oft repeated by parents making their case for a completely allergen-free school environment. I'd love to know more of the facts here. What are the statistics, i.e., how many kids have gotten deathly ill or have died from coming into contact with kids who are eating (or have just eaten) foods to which they are allergic?
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 06:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol. your dd loves peanut butter and that's why i come across a whacko? (that really made me chuckle). we've been lucky b/c dc's allergies don't seem that severe (nothing life threatening). but i ran into people like you when i had to take her to school for the first time. her teachers really brushed me off until i told them "i'm telling you this for your benefit. you are the ones who will have to clean up the vomit in your classroom if she ends up eating nuts". that's when they finally took me seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]08.21.08, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: so your child is not deathly allergic. The issue is only if she eats somebody else's food. So, allowing PB and other nuts in the lunchroom would be ok, right?
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
because it is a deadly allergy. On first exposure to pistachios, my dd ended up at the ER. There is cross-sensitivity to all nuts in her. Looking at your post, there is something wacko about us parents who do not want our children to die? You can feed you dd (who is not any better or more deserving than mine) all peanut butter she wants at home. I have seen many crazy posts here, but yours is in the top 5. Congrats!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]09.03.08, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree with you. no allergies here but i can easily imagine how it would feel and admire the mothers who protect their children.
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 05:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
because its a deadly risk. your kids can eat peanut as much as they want at home. i am totally pissed off by people like you (or even like my MIL sometimes) who don't take this seriously. my ds and us have been in ER too many times already because of this.
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 05:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you have got to go to an allergist and have a full panel done. she may be allergic to more stuff than you know of. The MD will give you a prescription for an Epi-Pen. We got that for a milk allergy (not so serious), but it saved my daughter's life when she reacted violently to tree nuts (we did not know of this allergy before, on first exposure!)
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 06:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
uh, I don't see this at all. My DS has an egg allergy, sure hope I don't come across as whacko when I tell the school and they keep him away from eggs (he's 3). I think it's a little disgusting that parents who should consider themselves blessed they don't have to worry about allergies characterize parents that do this way.
[ Reply | Options ]09.04.08, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I'm having a birthday party for my 2 year old and one of the children is allergic to ... 6 replies
- be a problem. The dc is probably used to having different food anyway but I can see why you don't want to...
- the people i know who have kids with allergies usually bring something specific for their kid...
- Here's the thing. The nut allergy would worry me as it is potentially life threatening. If it...
- FWIW, my dd's dairy allergy is potentially life threatening as well - that kind of...
Talk : : August 16, 2008
I'm having a birthday party for my 2 year old and one of the children is allergic to nuts and dairy. Can I make a special cupcake just for her or does everyone need to eat the hypoallergenic food (which is not as good)??
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.16.08, 11:05 AM [ Flag ]If they are very allergic you might want to avoid nuts for everyone. If all the cup cakes look different I can't see why giving her a 'special' one would be a problem. The dc is probably used to having different food anyway but I can see why you don't want to make a big deal out of it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]the people i know who have kids with allergies usually bring something specific for their kid
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Curious about whether you are goingto make a special cupcake or buy one?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Call the mother and ask. It's fairly easy to do nut-free, but dairy-free is harder for cakes. I did it once. I made banana muffins and iced them with a canned frosting that had no dairy (read the labels -- some do).
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Here's the thing. The nut allergy would worry me as it is potentially life threatening. If it were me, I would not knowingly include nuts in anything for the party. I don't feel the same way about the dairy allergy. But unfortunately you really can't have anything that might have nuts in it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]FWIW, my dd's dairy allergy is potentially life threatening as well - that kind of reaction is not limited to nuts. But I wouldn't expect anyone else's birthday party to be dairy free!
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 02:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Why are so many posters on this board so dumb? Whether it's vaccines, food allergies... 42 replies
- Exactly, wheat is an allergin. This can be taken to such an extreme. If we ban nut pruducts, do the gluten allergy sufferers get pissed ?...
Talk : : August 15, 2008
Why are so many posters on this board so dumb? Whether it's vaccines, food allergies, BPH, people are forever posting BS based on anecdotal garbage in the popular press. Where is the community of parents intelligent enough to seek out case-controlled research performed using the scientific methods that kids learn as early as middle school? Are this many parents this controlled by TV and the popular press??
42 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.15.08, 11:24 AM [ Flag ]Why would UB be any different from the population?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I s'pose that's true. I guess I think too highly of the U part. Couldn't somebody start a UParent that only caters to those university-educated-and-or-affiliated parents who are not suckered by the scaremongers?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't flatter yourself or us - plenty of suckers among that crowd too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOFL, prob more!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's hard not to get sucked into replying to all those junk posts because god forbid the stupidity continues to spread (and becomes the basis for legislation)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm guessing somewhat fewer MDs and PhDs buy into poor science and health reporting on the networks and in mommy-magazines.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
sounds like a job for you. Maybe you could call it yourenotsmartenoughtoread this.com or mensamembersandsuperproud.com
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nah, mensa people are ridiculous. I just want to have conversations in which people don't justify their opinions based on junk reporting of junk data (or no data at all).
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The world revolves on junk data. Global warming ? People can cite anything to justify what they want to see. Evolution ? hello.... It's sad but true. Science and scientific proof is in the eye of the beholder. May I offer Liberty University as exhibit 1 ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I think your post is exhibit 1. In what universe is evolution not well-demonstrated? Saw some ID idiot on TV, did you?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hi, maybe reading is on chat boards doesn't come as fluently to you as reading the results of double blind studies. I believe in evolution and global warming but for everyone who does, there is some bullshit "scientist" provideing the opposite proof to dodos who will read it as truth. Have a great day. Maybe a glass of wine later would be a positive for you.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Gotcha. Actually planning on a big fat martini with MD spouse, internet genius friend, and her jazz musician husband.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have that martini with an order of self-satisfaction. Wait, you have that already !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]most definitely. I am indeed satisfied to be me. Are you not satisfied to be you?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]quite...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:06 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Wait you are DOUBTING evolution and global warming
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NO... saying that even with OVERWHELMING proof someone will join the cast of The View and say she's not sure the earth is actually round and evolution is just a "theory".
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]tee hee...and her child will attend an exclusive NYC private school
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]BTW, I think I may have seen your nanny pushing the stroller off the edge of the world a few minutes ago.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I actually have a child allergic to nannies and strollers so I am trying to create a world without them.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh god, I actually did laugh out loud. Be sure that the world you create has no 'chemicals' in it. You know that they are the root of all evil. It should be a flat nanny-less world full of dairy-free organic almond-butter kept only in glass containers.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Shit, I forgot the gluten. All teething crackers shall be rice-based.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly, wheat is an allergin. This can be taken to such an extreme. If we ban nut pruducts, do the gluten allergy sufferers get pissed ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:15 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Let's just ban all human contact. Those Mormon sects have some really good ideas. The Amish don't have these problems. There is the inbreeding issue though...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there may be some Amish secretly using computers and posting to UB then !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I read an article about a state school board that was forced by creationists to refer to evolution as an "unproven theory" in science textbooks, so they revise the textbooks to refer to everything else as an "unproven theory" as well (i.e. the unproven theory of gravity, the unproven theory of relativity, etc.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^This article was in the "popular press", however, so may have been inaccurate.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]The unproven theory that intelligent life exists in the midwest. (Duck! Incoming!!)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and in certain counties in Georgia
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oooh, careful...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]tis true tis true
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Evolution is a "theory." It is a great theory and I have absolutely no doubt it is a correct theory but by definition, it is a theory. (A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena. Random House Unabridged)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lies, damn lies and statistics...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:56 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
www.stats.org www.freerangekids.wordpress.com www.snopes.com
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]its not so much dumb as ignorant. almost nobody learns statistics adn science education is bad too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]true enough
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:03 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
YOU are coming here to post, so I guess you like to be surrounded by dumb people. Birds of a feather, y'know...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]honestly.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]as I said, I am hooked in by the notion that I'm correcting misinformation. But it is definitely like picking a scab. I need to find another hobby
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are smart after all !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] So parents of allergic children. Who wants to join me in educating fellow parents abo... 136 replies
- by highly allergic kids, to peanut fumes/inhalation. (J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2003 Jul;112(1):180-2. Relevance of...
- That's right--many kids with severe allergies are special needs kids. However, they currently aren't...medical journals provide much more reliable information about allergies and other health concerns than the TV and...acceptable solution. Legislators need to clearly identify severe food allergies as a disability and open up funding...
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So parents of allergic children. Who wants to join me in educating fellow parents about food allergies? I had a major fight last yr with both parents and teacher, I think mostly due to lack of knowlage. As the school yr starts we will see the issue start all over again.
136 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.15.08, 07:28 AM [ Flag ]can you email me at info@tutorsnewyork.com ?? I am trying to organize a meeting with elected officials to get some type of legislation to recognize this is a serious issue - I too have a daughter that has a food/peanut allergy - just tested again last month with a higher level in her blood
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]legislation? How do you envision this to be?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we have menus now that tell us how many calories are in the food, but we do not have menus that tell us if the food came in contact with peanuts or was cooked in peanut oil, something that can cause immediate health consequences to those allergic - the same can be said for other food allergies - we
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't really pay attention to this but isn't this already required by law? Most places post a sign somewhere about allergens.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NOPE - never seen a sign, we have to ask everywhere we go to dinner how they cook their food, etc...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I will email you later, I am currently on a steering committee with elected officials of NYC but not for allergies for Asthma, but I am trying to push the topic in. As for me my sons both have allegies to food. My older son is allergic to Dairy. My younger son is allergic yes allergic to eggs, soy, wheat, beef, Dairy, peanuts, beans. SO I bring all his food, I really want to get the word out. I am by trade in the health area I deal with Asthma, but I now feel I need to do both asthma and food allergies, I am really working on getting a meeting with people in the schools.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
As a parent with non-allergic kids, I think the first thing you need to do is include testing and re-testing criteria in any legislation. So many of the hyper involved parents in my neck of the woods (Park Slope) use the word allergy in place of dislike that it makes it really hard to be sensitive to those very rare but very serious cases of a kid with true food allergies.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:47 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]What's the diff? If there is one highly-allergic kid, everyone needs to follow hypoallergenic rules. 1 kid out of a 100 has a serious allergy, which means every school has several. It makes more sense to institute universal rules regardless of the number of kids who have a problem.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:54 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]1/100 has a serious allergy to what? Can you cite this? Again, I'm not saying that nobody is allergic and I'm not saying that we all ought not be attentive to the needs of those who are, BUT before you tell me my kid can't have the foods he wants/I want to give him -- you have to defend that.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just posted above I am the mom with both kids allergic. and yes both are allergic, do I know how bad no. and that is the thing with food allergies you never can tell, you can have a mild reaction one time and then the next time you need an epi pen, there is no true answer.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: I thought they measured antibodies and from that could tell how allergic someone is. That is what decides if a patient needs an Rx for an epi-pen or not. That is also how they find out if a child is no longer allergic to a food as they age. (Which is common.) Interesting aside, recent research shows that if a child who WAS allergic to peanuts becomes non-reactive... then you shoudl give them peanut butter regularly. It actually keeps the allergy at bay.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]FWIW the tests cannot predict the severity of an allergic response - for example my daughter has a very mild dairy allergy according to both skin and blood tests - but had a very serious reaction and because of that we now have an epipen.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How long between blood test and this reaction?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Tests CANNOT tell you how mild or how bad an allergy is.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so somebody with a high antibody count could have mild reactions and vice-a-versa? (I just read a journal article and it seemed like those counts were a really strong indicator of sensitivity. That is why I'm confused.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: strong indicator, but not an absolute indicator. There's still plenty of margin for error, and of course, the only foolproof way to know is to give them the food and see what happens (which obviously isn't something you should do.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]its a predictor, but for example my son had really low levels to soy Doc thought he would be fine turns out he got hives. My friends daughter ended up in the Er after they challenged her with dairy she had no numbers after having an allergy, Gave her some cheese and yogurt.2 hrs later she had to go to the ER. Other side of it my son has numbers to oat and corn.. yet eats it fine. so no you cant tell
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:10 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Do you continue to give him oat and corn? That article from John's Hopkins seems to suggest that (at least for peanuts) this helps keep allergy at bay.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes I do. even if he has numbers If he handles it there is no reason not to give.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
There has been a lot of debate about whether or not a food allergy is a disability covered under the ADA. The courts have been leaning in that direction and it would make good legal sense for schools to institute anti-allergen rules that apply to everyone. Sure, it is a PITA to screen your kids lunches for allergens, but you don't want to be responsible for harming another kid, right?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]This doesn't make sense at all! Until you agree that the kid who is prompting this screening has undergone a full battery of tests to show that this is warranted and there is a real risk of harm, I'll argue against this. Again, I'm not against making rules when there is a real and known risk.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^OR
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:30 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I think you need to learn more about how widespread food allergies are--http://www.foodallergy.org/downloads/FoodAllergyFactsandStatistics.pdf
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No reply button to "I think you should..." FAAN (the group whose flyer you linked to) is largely funded by the makers of the EpiPen. They routinely cite bad information like, "Each year in the US it is estimated anaphylaxis caused by food results in 100 to 200 deaths." The research this is based on is flawed and the one death in the study was due to exercise induced anaphylaxis NOT food. When confronted, the head of FAAN said, "One child dying from food allergies is too many."
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ They only need to estimate it is because the actual information from the CDC does not make their case as strongly. About a dozen people (all ages) are known to have died from food allergies in the last year for which we have data.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ just to be clear, I am not against looking out for the kids (or adults) who need it, just the hype is way beyond the reality, imo.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no.. you read that dumb harpers article a few months ago. My ped was so pissed. I was clearly a pissed off mother.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So cite journal articles/research which refute it. I did not stop reading after that article and again, I'm not saying nothing should be done. Just that if you want to change the behavior of every lunchroom in America, you have to offer more than a page from FAAN. I don't think this is an unreasonable request.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:38 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
You are splitting hairs and I really don't understand why you deny that there are kids with severe allergies that need help. Keep your head in the sand for all I care.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I did not believe most parents myself until it happened to me, older children do not have any allergies, then we have one that does - and it can be scary - she is tested every year - we hope she will either outgrow it or they will find a vacination...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]See, you sound like the people I think of when I hear so many others abuse the word "allergy." Your kid is in a tough spot and those others are making it harder not easier. Is ds just allergic to peanuts or other things too?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]just peanuts, Thank GOD
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]g/l.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:03 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Out of curiosity, what do you want the schools to do? I can understand banning peanut products because those allergies are airborne, but what else should they do? It seems to me that beyond that, it's the responsibility of the parent to provide meals, snacks and special event treats for their own dcs.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]one girl at my daughter's middle school sits at a special table because if she breathes in peanut dust (?) she gets hives and has difficulty breathing - no one with peanut butter is allowed to go near her.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]actually peanut is not the only one that is airborne, Eggs and dairy can be also. It also goes beyond supplying ones on food, Say kids had cheese doodles and have the orange stuff still on their hands and then the give a toy, hold hands etc with a dairy allergic child the potential for a reaction is there, so teachers and staff must learn how to cut that risk. And what to do incase of a reaction.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I truly do feel for you and other families in your situation, but you cannot expect a school to deal with a child who's allergic to airborne dairy. That would be nearly impossible. What would you have the teachers do, brush every kids' teeth after every snack and meal?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The highly allergic child who is in class with one of mine had a full out reaction when holding the hand of a boy who had eaten Doritos about an hour prior. It was so scary and none of us initially knew what was the cause. The mother was not there but I happened to be there. It's a very difficult situation. We want to be sensitive, but we cannot regulate everything !
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly. There's only so much a school can be expected to do - they can't wash every kid's hands and brush their teeth after every food item is consumed.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry, but that child needs to be homeschooled or in a special education class for kids with allergies or something.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
That is why dc wash their hands after lunch/snack
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you know how thorough kids are with this. It's important to learn in general for health reasons, but to place your child's life in the "hands" of 3, 4, 5, etc. year old hand washers is crazy, IMHO.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So, what do you propose? I am not trying to be snarky here, but do you think schools should, in addition to being nut/peanut free, be dairy & egg free. If you do that then you are impinging upon the religious freedom of people whose dc are vegetarian & making life extremely difficult for others. I grew up with a severely allergic friend & it was worked out quit well without legislation & over-restriction. I am fine with peanut free policies, but banning many other things is going overboard.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it was a totally fake post
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry mispost!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:55 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Testing
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What happens when the food you give to your dc makes another kid deathly sick? Just the smell of a peanut butter cup can send some kids to the hospital. And kids can be bullies too--there have been stories about kids being smeared with peanut butter as a joke. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AllergiesNews/story?id=4659705
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:19 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]A child that has such severe allergies does not belong in a public setting w/o help. Such children are special needs children.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
see this is a perfect example... Actual research on this has failed to find a reaction, even by highly allergic kids, to peanut fumes/inhalation. (J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2003 Jul;112(1):180-2. Relevance of casual contact with peanut butter in children with peanut allergy.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I accidentally posted to the school uniform post... But as a prent who wants to be as sensitive as possible, I think - and sadly - that there are some highly allergic children that cannot safely be with other children. We try and are really vigilant, but have scary moments with one child in particular with some frequency. As her parent I don't think I could send her to school with a clear conscience. What do you think should be done for super allergic children while still allowing other children to have some level of freedom and comfort. MY child (7 yo) witnessed one incident and was very upset.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hear you, but I don't think that isolating these kids like lepers is the right thing to do, especially because there are so many of them. Just as there are rules about public smoking, there should be rules in school about allergenic foods. The freedom and comfort of non-allergenic kids will only be slightly compromised.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's not true at all! If eggs, dairy and peanuts are airborne allergies as suggested above, it would be nearly impossible to make it an allergen free environment
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]see the article above. These are apocryphal stories.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I certainly don't want them "isolated like lepers" but if the danger is as great to some as it seems to be (and I think it's a small percentage) how can the rest of the children be realistically expected to adjust to all that these children need ? I can understand saying "no peanut butter" - I can get that - but to tell a school full of children that they cannot have peanuts or peanut containing foods, dairy, foods containing dairy, eggs and egg containing products such as baked goods, etc etc. it eliminates a world of healthy and readily available food. No yogurt, cheese, baked goods, etc etc. To subsist and feed your children according to the myriad of safety rules some children require is an undue burden on the rest I believe. How do you suggest this be handled ? Isn't there a certain point - unfortunately - where it becomes unfair to everyone else ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]THE POINT OF THE WHOLE POST... if we can legislate food establishments to post calorie counts, then they should post ingredients known to cause allergic reactions - and for our schools, we have to find a balance that protects these children from life threatening reactions as well as requires someone in the schools to take responsibility for administration of the epi pens in an emergency, schools do not want to do this...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but I am asking "what is the balance" ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but what is the balance ? That is the question that is not being answered ? What do you believe is fair to ask non-allergic parents to do and "how far" should their policing have to go to safeguard these highly allergic children ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]when faced with these problems, it never hurts to ask yourself, "what would I want if it were my child?" so yes we will need to find a balance, but if your child faced a life threatening situation everyday, how would you want him/her to be treated? ... and being ostracized is not the answer either.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And so I should not pack dairy, egg products, nut products, or anything else and neither should the other 800 students because there is 1 (possibly a few more, I do not know the number) who cannot be in contact with it ? It seems very unbalanced, totally un-policable, and unrealistic don't you think ? Can you imagine this happening, because I cannot. I do not mean to be snarky or lessen the danger these children may face, but that I don't think that the other children and families should be asked to carry that burden.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, you should not pack something that will cause serious harm to a child. My ds goes to daycare where they have pretty strict rules about allergies and I really don't find it to be such a big problem. I guess I just have more sympathy for parents of allergic kids.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]eliminate nuts, dairy, and eggs (and anything made with or in the same location as these products) and what are you serving them ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Turkey/chicken/roast beef/veggie sandwiches with egg/dairy free bread (Whole Foods sells quite a few varieties)
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How about the folks who cannot afford those kinds of food?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Should rule out bread as well, since wheat is a common allergen.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]we vegetarian kids are sort of screwed here and the people who cannot afford Whole Foods / specialty feeods are burdened as well. Obviously a veggie sandwhich every day is not a fun situation.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Gluten free bread is usually egg/dairy free. Made for people with allergies & celiac disease...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
and how many kids are in that daycare? The post you responded to is talking about schools with hundreds of children. How are you going to protect your child in that setting?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are missing the point. Currently there are no options for severely-allergic kids other then to stay home. That is not an acceptable solution. Legislators need to clearly identify severe food allergies as a disability and open up funding to create safe environments where these kids can go to school. Until that happens, people need to be understanding so that allergic kids can get an education like everyone else.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If there are really that many children who can't breathe in the fumes from a cup of yogurt, then I thik the DOE should open a small school just for those kids that is a citywide. Kids get bussed. K-5 or K-8. Those schools would not allow any allergy foods in teh building. My child has sensory issues and is very picky. He'll only eat certain things. He won't eat gluten free bread or a lettuce leaf sandwich. If he doesn't eat lunch, he can't focus and will act out and be miserable. Misery turns into anxiety and depression. So now my child is being injured. Look. basically a child who can't breathe in dairy or egg fumes is in the bubble boy category and needs something special. Sorry, but it's true.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There are alot. And your response as a parent with a SN kid is sick. Why don't find out the fact first. And as a SN parent you should have some understanding.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
if it were my child I would be sad and terrified and I would never expect that my child's safety could be entrusted to people and children I did not know.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm one of the posters who has been pushing back on the allergy folks pretty hard but this is an absurd statement. You "would never expect that [your] child's safety cold be entrusted to people... [you] did not know"? So the fire and police departments are out. Schools (at least in the beginning of the year), ER workers, etc. are all suspect. We all entrust our safety to strangers- bus drivers, building inspectors, the person who assembled your gas stove, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]read the intent. The police and fire depts and EMT's are trained professionals Second graders, the mom at the grocery store, the teachers aide are not. Trusting that all of these non-trained, non-dietician, non-mediaclly trained children and adults should carry to responsibility of your child's extraordinary medical needs is not anything I would feel comfortable about.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Neither the PD nor the FD are trained medical staff. If they can be taught to use an Epi pen (I have no idea if they are or are not) then so could an art teacher, teacher's aid, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I believe OP means to legislate / hopes for legislation that in some way makes having to use the epi pen relatively obsolete. FD is medically trained, by the way, and all of the teachers at our school can use the epipen, but that is not what I was writing about. If one expects that John Q Public can and should be made to ensure the safety of your child with a very rare and possibly deadly allergy I believe you are living a pipe dream. Trusting everyone to pack and eat according to what your child needs, IMHO, is putting your child in danger. That is where I am very doubtful.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not siding with the OP but I don't think the goal is to remove peanuts (and every other allergen) from the face of the earth. It is to remove it from the school cafeteria.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and with our school- for example - where there is no school lunch per se but each family packs lunch each day, I think it is unrealistic.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Please. EMT's - medical personnel. Fire Dept - trained medically. Art teacher ? Not so much. My child who sneaks a Snickers in his backpack ? Not so much.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The two issue aren't really at all the same, though. Requiring restaurants to post calorie counts provides information to consumers, nothing more. However, requiring a restaurant to post a list of potential allergens in its food or requiring schools to make specific accomodations for kids with allergies acts to shift the burden of dealing with the allergy away from the person with the allergy and imposes a part of that burden on the restaurant/school. It's important to understand the distinction.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]very well put.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is a crock of BULL.. don't we need that same level of INFORMATION about what is in the FOOD, if it can potentially harm us???
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If I owned a dining establishment, I would be very afraid of lawsuits and post all of the potential allergens on my menu just to protect myself - it only makes sense in this city to do this preemptively .
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's just the opposite, actually. The restaurant protects itself best by NOT providing the information automatically, and putting the burden on the customer to inquire.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: If you post "We use every ingredient ever heard of in our kitchen on a regular basis." Wouldn't you cover your ass pretty well?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sure, but you wouldn't have been of any help to the OP!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np again: I was responding simply to the "Cover Your Ass" issue one post above. (But IF I had a life threatening food allergy, I would not rely on a restaurant to give me accurate food information anyway.) Just ask a diabetic about how reliable that kind of information is...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so i guess you would never go out for dinner?? it's funny, we look at and require ingredients to be posted on the food we buy at the grocery store, but sounds like most of you posters could care less about what they feed you at NOBU
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't eat at NOBU. 1. Restaurants are dependent on their suppliers and can't control what is in everything they serve. 2. In truth, I think they have too many other things going on to rely on for this. (For example, are you going to require a restaurant changes the oil in its frialator (sp?) every time they do a shrimp dish? What if you get onion rings after somebody else got shrimp tempura... If I was highly allergic and I wanted to eat out I would 1. mitigate exposure by cuisine and 2. make sure I had an epi pen with me. I would also consider very strongly the restaurant I went to.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: I have adult friends with severe food allergies and this, IME, is the approach they take - they are careful where they go and what they order, they warn restaurants about their allergy and ask what's in the food, but they understand that in the end there is always a risk and that it is their responsiblity.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^I understand the impluse of a parent wanting to remake the world so that it is safer for their DC, but along with that I think you have to have an understanding that its not always going to be possible.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not only is it not always possible, it is also often not appropriate.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 06:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't know about your school but the person in my kid's school who is ovderseeing everything in the lunch room is an Aid.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
That's right--many kids with severe allergies are special needs kids. However, they currently aren't protected under the ADA and there is no assistance available. Removing them from schools without providing other options is unacceptable. This is why this issue needs to be addressed at the legislative level.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^and until there are reasonable options for parents of allergic kids, the rest of the community needs to make special accommodations.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Accommodations are one thing. Redesigning how everyone else must eat is not acceptable.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 09:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Both sides make valid points but because of the seriousness of the issue, there has to be compromise in the interim before permanent solutions are in place. Allergic kids need to have safe places where they can get the same opportunities as non-allergic kids. Until a fair system is in place, non-allergic kids and parents need to be sensitive to the problem. I don't have kids with allergies, but I feel for parents who do. I don't want to be responsible for hurting another child and if that means altering my kid's diet, so be it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and just to play Devil's advocate, if you were asked at DC's school to eliminate dairy, nut products, and egg products, what would you put in their lunch ? Not trying to be bitchy, but I am curious.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I shop at Whole Foods, where they have egg-free and dairy-free bread/rolls, so making sandwiches is pretty easy. They also sell egg-free pastas (like rice pasta or just semolina & water)--I have used these to make pasta salads before.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and that is a great choice, but no everyone can or does shop where these things are readily available. Moreover, some children like certain foods while yours - and you are lucky - like pasta salad. The issue is a bigger one though.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 03:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the only option I see is a seperate dining facility for them. Even that does not guarantee that they will not come in contact with a child who ate Cheetos and didn't effectively wash their hands. There is no answer other than these children taking the risk or perhaps creating schools totally for their "disability".
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree that allergic kids should have a safe place to eat/go to school... but what do they do in the interim? Not go to school?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]dine in a different room ?!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 02:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sure, but establishing safe rooms just doesn't happen on it's own.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OP, was your fight at the preschool or the K level? B/c preschool I could see being a real problem, but by K, I think the burden is really on the child and his/her parents. What did you ask teachers and parents to do that caused so much trouble?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]HI back Op here. My fight was on the PRK level due to the shared snack policy. I expect to have the fight again, but Dc is in the G and T class and I heard that teacher is Excellent about food allergies. I have to say, this is not only a matter of prevention but a matter of education. If school staff who are with children have no Idea about what and how a food allergy can happen and what to do if it does is a very scary issue. As far as the airborne thing yes its very very rare, HOWever the reaction due to the fact a kid ate dortios or pbj and then held hands with another is not rare and happen way to often, and nobody mentioned about brushing teeth so get off it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry it went on its own. As far as the ADA, Kids with any issue can get a 504 plan and the school MUST follow the plan. Some kids have health paras now. As far as places listing allergens. Some do but most don't Perfect example I was going to get my son fries at nathans and I had to ask what oil they used. Turns out it was peanut, Had I not asked I would never have known. No sign nada.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Perhaps in the length of this thread I lost something of your initial point, but education is great and needed. It is changing the eating habits and possibilities of many many tens of children to ensure the safety of some very very highly (airborn) allergic children that I find sort of unfair and unrealistic. Were you mandating legislation to educate only ? I would agree with that. Mandating anything further is where I get skeptical.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How come so many nutcase parents use capitalization at will? Is mania linked with this Grammatical Disorder? Is over capitalization co-morbid with mania?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why did you capitalize the "e" in excellent and the "i" in idea?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think that much of what is posted here results from "lack of knowlage" as the OP cited. How about you seek info from peer-reviewed medical journals instead of anecdotes on the TV? Then again, my neighbor told me that her friend said that her sister said saw Goody Proctor dancing with the Devil under the moonlight and Tituba was there!!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And YOU are the ultimate arbiter of "knowlage"?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, but peer-reviewed medical journals provide much more reliable information about allergies and other health concerns than the TV and newspapers. What I am is the ultimate arbiter of spelling!! See OP's 'knowlage'. I was just copying her post for those who might have lost track in the sea of idiotic sludge.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think this is the woman who came to educate us all. She will soon be out having a martini with her MD husband, internet genius friend, and jazz musician friend.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and you?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am the woman, yes I would like to educate all of you , I don't have an MD husband and I don't drink .. I just hate ignorance. I hate fighting parents and school staff. I should tell you my whole life I fought to educate people on asthma. I had food allergies but nothing like my kids, My asthma is what almost killed me. now I try to educate people on both.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not to be harsh, but if you are as combative IRL as you are being on this thread, you may be hurting your cause more than you are helping it. I know it's difficutly when you feel passionately about something, but you're more effective as an advocate if you're able to understand and appreciate the other side's point of view. Try not to assume that everyone that disagrees with you (a) is ignorant and (b) doesn't care about your DC.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. The worst way to win someone over is to tell them that they are being dumb.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Until the results they report are overruled by the next "peer-reviewed" study. Truth and knowlage are hard to come by in any form.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Can you really not spell?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP and I was joking.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh thank god. Sometimes it's hard to tell here. Yes, studies are always being refined, which is why it's important to keep reading good sources of info.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am the op my younger son is in a study with one of the top allergist in the country, so I know all about studies as my child is one. I have to tell you when you know as much as I do the world becomes a scary place.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Who do you think is the "top allergist in the country"?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:37 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]deafening silence...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that continues to grow more deafening...
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
back sorry I have real life things to do. Well lets see the top is Hugh Sampson, but now Scott Sischer, who has been quoted in many of the studies is #2, He is my child's allergist for the study.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am the op and I don't know how much I will be one during the weekend but if you want to email with any question feel free at allergymom1010@yahoo.com.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 01:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So it is your entire identity?
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Um that's just the email I use for allergy support group things. And yes if you have an allergic child or a child with asthma it becomes your life.you have to always be on guard.bring food and meds with you and always have it in the back of your head. This is my point people just don't get it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think a lot of us DO get it, but we do not know how to merge your needs with ours.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I get it, too. I know it's hard. My child has SN and it's pretty consuming. But would you ban any form of play that can result in scrapes because a hemophiliac child might be in a given class?
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I am the mom of a severly food allergic son (dairy, peanuts and treenuts). He is an asthmatic as well. He was diagnosed with food allergies at age 1 and is now a teenager. He is tested every year and remains very allergic. He has had two anaphylactic reactions (neither of them at school). We have gone through 10 years of school and, from the beginning, felt that his allergies were our responsibility and, as he is getting older, his responsibility. While we have been fortunate enough to attend schools that are 'peanut controlled' and very willing to work with us, we always prepared snacks, lunches and treats for parties. When he was younger, at the beginning of every school year, we would send a letter home to all the parents in his grade alerting them to his allergy and asking them to let us know if they were bringing in a treat so that we could bring in something similar for him. I met with teachers and the school nurse at the beginning of the year, provided EpiPens and let them know I would do whatever it took to make his life as normal as possible. They always worked with us and alerted us to any cooking projects, etc. He always fully participated in food-related projects and class trips. While living with food allergies affects our entire family, the things we have to do (always have EpiPens, always have food/drinks for him, etc.) are just our 'normal.' I heard someone speak once who said something along the lines of "parents need to prepare their children for the path, not the path for their children." While we are helped tremendously by all the new food labeling legislation and the advances being made in the field of food allergies, I still feel that the onus is on us (our family) to keep him safe. The partnership we created with my son's school really worked for us. He is a very active, very social young man...food allergies are the thing he has to deal with. We all have something.
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That sounds great. However most schools and some parents are not willing to work this way. Which is the real issue. Again education is key!
[ Reply | Options ]08.16.08, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: you and your son sound great! My 2 1/2 yr old dd has multiple food allergies and I hope she will have the experience he has in school and in life. thanks for posting, this was really lovely to read.
[ Reply | Options ]08.18.08, 08:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you and all the best to you and your daughter.
[ Reply | Options ]08.18.08, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] do you put an ice pack or cool pack in DC's lunchbox? 17 replies
- np: you can't have pb&j because of the peanut allergy kids? That's sad. I get it. But still sad....
- in the lunch. oftentimes I will freeze something (like a gogurt) which acts as a cooler. I also use thermoses for hot foods...
Talk : : August 14, 2008
do you put an ice pack or cool pack in DC's lunchbox?
17 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.14.08, 05:56 PM [ Flag ]yes
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no but some mom's do.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I do
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol. is this a joke? i ate my pb&j sandwiches at room temp and lived to tell about it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 05:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nope not a joke. I often send tuna sandwiches or turkey, ham, etc. PB&J I wouldn't worry about, but it's not allowed at DC's school! I use a cool pack but then wondered if the lunchboxes were made to insulate w/o.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: you can't have pb&j because of the peanut allergy kids? That's sad. I get it. But still sad.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly. I love PB&J, and DC gets it for lunch frequently when it's not a school day (and all summer). but no go at school
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why don't you try sunbutter (from sunflower seeds) and jelly sandwiches? (np)
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]tastes gross
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Neither have to be kept cold. They are going to be eaten within the next few hours anyway.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]exactly. i bet these posters bought wipe warmers for their dbs too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I only do it when I pack yogurt or something like that.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just put ice in DC's water bottle.
[ Reply | Options ]08.14.08, 08:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ice pack unless I make her a bagel and cream cheese. Then I just put the cream cheese on a frozen bagel and it's defrosted by lunchtime!
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 05:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Great idea
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]wouldn't the bagel be kinda soggy? why not just pack a fresh bagel? it's not like it's going to go bad.
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it depends on what I include in the lunch. oftentimes I will freeze something (like a gogurt) which acts as a cooler. I also use thermoses for hot foods
[ Reply | Options ]08.15.08, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] dd has developed really bad eczema (exzema?). Have tried everything, dr keeps perscr... 4 replies
- run to whole foods and get earth mama baby angel bath wash and lotion. i tried everything and dd was cured with this in two days. my ped was so amazed he now tells everyone to get it. gl....
- sounds like what happened with my db and found out he had dairy allergies and it got so much better...
Talk : : August 09, 2008
dd has developed really bad eczema (exzema?). Have tried everything, dr keeps perscribing, cortisone etc which thins the skin and is a steriod. Anyone have a dc with horrible eczema and they grew out of it? It also seems to get worse with certain foods.
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.09.08, 04:43 PM [ Flag ]run to whole foods and get earth mama baby angel bath wash and lotion. i tried everything and dd was cured with this in two days. my ped was so amazed he now tells everyone to get it. gl.
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]go to an allergist... db prob has allergies...sounds like what happened with my db and found out he had dairy allergies and it got so much better
[ Reply | Options ]08.09.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]www.dotconnector.blogspot.com
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 08:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dd had this too...there is a cream my SIL told me about... Gentle Naturals "Disney Baby" (no sh-t) baby eczema cream...you can get at Target or Drugstore.com...it has a ridiculously cheesy picture of winnie the poo on it...BUT IT WORKS. cleared up my daughter's terrible oozy eczema outbreak on her forehead...good luck...
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 04:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] repost: 3 1/2 month old DS is refusing to nurse. Constantly fighting me. I've been t... 9 replies
- np: this was my dd, too -- fine w/bottle but not breast. that said she turned out to have food allergies and reflux. i wish i had gotten help for her earlier. call a lactation consultant and also just make sure to get a weight check at your ped's office. I'm sure it's fine but...
Talk : : August 07, 2008
repost: 3 1/2 month old DS is refusing to nurse. Constantly fighting me. I've been told it is a nursing strike. Whatever it is it's making bf miserable? How long does this last? We've been going on almost two weeks. Someone said this is because of developmental milestones. He's really trying to roll over so maybe that's it. I don't think he is getting enough during the day so now he is waking up more at night. I'm doing bottles when I can and have even added some formula. Any BTDT and advise would be greatly appreciated.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.07.08, 04:11 PM [ Flagged ]any other symptoms? my db did exact same thing at that age, it was reflux
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:16 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]takes the bottle with no complaint
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:56 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: this was my dd, too -- fine w/bottle but not breast. that said she turned out to have food allergies and reflux. i wish i had gotten help for her earlier. call a lactation consultant and also just make sure to get a weight check at your ped's office. I'm sure it's fine but just for the peace of mind
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 06:14 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]ditto. Get him checked for reflux. It's possible that he's lying flatter when he's nursing, and sitting more upright when he takes the bottle, thus making bottle feeding more comfortable. My niece was practically "failure to thrive" her reflux was so bad, and it took the docs so long to figure it out. Just get him checked out.
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 07:06 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
ebf two and I remember this. It happened to mine as they were about to hit a milestone and were distracted.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:18 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]At 3.5 months, it is not a nursing strike. That happens with older babies. Can you tell me more about what nursing was like before she started refusing the breast?
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:20 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]he always latched on and went to town. about two weeks ago he started getting really distracted by the tv etc so i would turn it off... then he would just want to look around and now he will latch on for about a minute, if that, and then just scream... if i go get a bottle he takes it with no complaints or struggle.
[ Reply | Options ]08.07.08, 04:58 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Distracibility is normal at this age, but not so extreme behavior. Like I said, a nursing strike is for older babies(usually 9+ months). Something else is going on here, I'd recommend going to see a good licensed IBCLC. Before this, was he primarily fed from the breast or did he have a lot of bottles every day, whether EBM or formula?
[ Reply | Options ]08.08.08, 07:01 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
my dd did exactly the same thing. years later was diagnosed with "silent reflux" - no spitting up. Try Dr. Eicher at St. Joseph's Hospital in Paterson NJ. She was a lifesaver for us.
[ Reply | Options ]12.02.08, 09:37 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
[+] hair colorist here. Ask Away 13 replies
- trying to perm color gray I would go for perm color, it sticks better. If you have an allergy that is a different story...
- no allergies, just a little weirded out by all the talk about environmental pollutants. I really, really want to cover my gray!...
- if it makes you feel any better, Organic dyes from Aveda and health food stores are just as toxic. You have better control of color pigment with man made...
Talk : : August 04, 2008
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is there anything wrong with getting permanent color as opposed to semipermanent in terms of the chemicals
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]perm color has ammonia, So does Semi or demi colors but to a lesser extent. If you are trying to perm color gray I would go for perm color, it sticks better. If you have an allergy that is a different story
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no allergies, just a little weirded out by all the talk about environmental pollutants. I really, really want to cover my gray!
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]if it makes you feel any better, Organic dyes from Aveda and health food stores are just as toxic. You have better control of color pigment with man made chemicals. I'm an enviornmentalist too but gray is gray
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I've had my hair colored w/a purple tint and it always fades to red, which I hate. If I have it done dark brown (my natural color), will it cover and not fade back to that red?
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]only if you go darker than your natural. Your nat, if in the brown family may have red undertones anyhow. Sun, cont washing and blow styling will damage the hair and bring some peek a boo reds back in most cases
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I do have some red undertone, but this is waaaaaay too red for me. Even when I used colored hair shampoo the darker purple faded quickly. Never blowdry (curly hair). Thanks for the tip on darker - I will try it out (going in this week!).
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]if you are dying it an eggplant color and its fading to orangy red... did they bleach you out first?
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nope, just on top of my hair. it's a brown w/purple tint - maybe a little bleach in it? this time I'm just going brown.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they may have bleached you out too much. Cover with a "cool" brown 1 shade darker than your natural. It will lighten up a bit w/ washing. If it does fade, it won't be in the red family but the cooler browns
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]anytime :)
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 08:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you frost?
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 09:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] dumb question. haven't yet given 17 mo nuts for fear of allergies (no family history... 5 replies
- . I just didn't see the "need" to introduce pb when there are so many other foods in the world....
- Too bad you did this for no evidence-based reason. Most recent research shows that it is avoidance of foods that increases allergy risk. Allergy does not express itself at first exposure. It is second time that reaction is possible....
Talk : : August 03, 2008
dumb question. haven't yet given 17 mo nuts for fear of allergies (no family history,i just love peanut butter and wanted to avoid allergies). now i've built it up in my mind into this huge thing. when should i give her nuts and what's the best form to try? peanut butter? tia!
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.03.08, 10:03 AM [ Flag ]I waited until age 3 to give pb (its a choking hazard btw). I just didn't see the "need" to introduce pb when there are so many other foods in the world.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wait, wait, wait. i didn't wait and 18 mo old developed peanut allergy. just outgrew it at age 3.5 (only 1 in 5 kids outgrows it). it's been an extremely difficult thing to live with for two years.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I gave my 13 month old half a peanut and watched. No allergy. She is 6 now. No allergies. I don't know what the docs say, but without peanut butter we'd be lost. Lost I tell you.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 05:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Too bad you did this for no evidence-based reason. Most recent research shows that it is avoidance of foods that increases allergy risk. Allergy does not express itself at first exposure. It is second time that reaction is possible.
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 04:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you are wrong. what research?
[ Reply | Options ]08.04.08, 07:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Body Issues: does breastfeeding really screw up your boobs? I was feed off the bottle... 10 replies
- pg screws up your boobs. bf helps immunity in a lot of ways-breast cancer too, not just allergies. also keep in mind that environmental issues and foods are different now from when we were kids so that may impact your dc too. finally, allergies also have a genetic component, so that may be more of an indicator for your health. i found it harder to lose wt, but I...
Talk : : August 02, 2008
Body Issues: does breastfeeding really screw up your boobs? I was feed off the bottle and I don't have any allergies...after your second kid, did you find it harder to lose weight???
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.02.08, 09:58 PM [ Flag ]fed off the bottle...
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 09:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]didn't screw mine up! and after 2nd, I lost all the baby weight (ie - pouch) in 4 weeks, def quicker. there's more to do with 2, and since I was nursing the weight just dropped off.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 01:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]pg screws up your boobs. bf helps immunity in a lot of ways-breast cancer too, not just allergies. also keep in mind that environmental issues and foods are different now from when we were kids so that may impact your dc too. finally, allergies also have a genetic component, so that may be more of an indicator for your health. i found it harder to lose wt, but I ate way too much and had thyroid probs after my 2nd was born. once i started ww, I lost 20 lbs in 3 mos.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 03:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My boobs are exactly the same and I bf for two years.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]mine are smaller and sag a little now. they are like A cups though so it's not such a big deal. they were the tiniest bit larger before.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 06:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have only one kid and lost 50 lbs in 10 mos.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 06:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Not at all. If your boobs are going to be ruined, pregnancy will do it, not breastfeeding. A lot of it is genes & overall weight gain.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Breastfeeding is what your breasts are for! American media culture screws up your body image and your sense of the value of your own body.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 07:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had stretchmarks and droopy boobs even before I had DC! (From puberty and a period of being very overweight.)
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well *something* screwed mine up. I EBF each baby for over a year and I've got some accomplished but sad breasts here...
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 11:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] ds has been EBF and has seemed to be intolerant of many things in my diet. I have el... 13 replies
- There is no way to know except have him allergy tested. Anyway my ped just retired and we are...all come up. I never bothered to stay away from any foods except just eating acidic and dairy foods in moderation....
- My dd had a dairy allergy and vomited - which was obviously different from a...a better idea of what they have an allergy or intolerance too. Elimination diets will drive you...
Talk : : July 31, 2008
ds has been EBF and has seemed to be intolerant of many things in my diet. I have eliminated wheat dairy and soy. He is now almost 5 months and my supply is low so I think I will need to introduce formula. would you start with regular organic and see if he tolerates it or start with the alimentum?
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.31.08, 09:36 AM [ Flag ]how did he "seem" intolerant?
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]terrible gas and spit up very fussy
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what does your ped say? maybe it has nothing to do with your diet.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I totally agree that I can't be sure if it is diet or if he has just had time for his GI tract to mature. There is no way to know except have him allergy tested. Anyway my ped just retired and we are in the process of finding a new one. He does not have another check up for a month. Just looking for advice on starting with regular formula or specialty.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]imo, the best thing you could do for your ds would be to start eating normally again and continue to breastfeed, unless your ds is diagnosed with an allergy.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I can't make enough milk for him. I have Graves and my supply is in too low.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, do what you've got to do. good luck. i can't give advice about formula because I never used it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
any blood in the stool? usually this is a big symptom of allergies--grren mucousy poop too.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no blood but he does have slimy poops (even with EBF and my very strict diet
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You should talk to your ped or visit at GI--there are tests (using poop) to get a better idea of what they have an allergy or intolerance too. Elimination diets will drive you crazy (also remember that cow protein takes 2 weeks to filter through your system and another 2 weeks for baby...)
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Are you sure your DS is not just a happy spitter? My DD was a very very big spitter. I couldn't fathom how she was gaining any wait since it just seemed to all come up. I never bothered to stay away from any foods except just eating acidic and dairy foods in moderation.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dd had a dairy allergy and vomited - which was obviously different from a lot of spit up - almost immediately when she had regular formula. So I think you could start with regular and it will be obvious if he has a problem. BTW, I was told that the slimy poops could also be a sign of foremilk/hindmilk imbalance, which might be true for you especially if you do have low supply. You could check with an LC if you were interested in sorting that out.
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks
[ Reply | Options ]07.31.08, 09:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Okay, I just found I am pregnant....what should I not eat/drink/do! I think things ha... 13 replies
- may be only if you or your DH has food allergies (my DH does). Check it out though....baby from eating sushi..the problem is if you get food poisoning you cannot take the meds to make yourself...How many ppl do you know who have gotten food poisoning fr/sushi?? Americans are so uptight!...
- research shows the opposite - that the explosion of food allergies appears to be tied to avoidance of certain foods. Dietary restriction appears to have the opposite effect...
Talk : : July 29, 2008
Okay, I just found I am pregnant....what should I not eat/drink/do! I think things have changed since I last had a child, or else I just don't remember..TIA!
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.29.08, 09:26 AM [ Flag ]babycenter has a good list. In the meantime, avoid coldcuts, raw milk cheese, sushi, too much caffeine.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is raw milk cheese?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Anything not pasteurized. Don
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^don't worry, most cheese in grocery stores is pasteurized, but double check if you are buying a blue cheese or feta that's imported.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 09:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
congrats.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can make yourself crazy listening to everyone's do and don't list, but I think your body will tell you a lot. dad is prof of OB and he said I should have a glass of red a night to calm myself (not what you will read on most sites) and not to worry too much about sushi (eaten all the time by pregnant women throughout Japan), cheeses (eaten all over France, Italy and Spain) during pregnancy, etc etc... Enjoy your pregnancy !
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dad is no OB, but I'm with yours all the way. 2 happy pregnancies with plenty of coffee and sushi, and the occasional drink, and no ill effects.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]definitely. just had sushi again tonight at 27 weeks.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 07:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Sushi is eaten all the time by pregnant women in Japan. But in US, it's not because not all sushi places are made equal. I've eaten sushi here but only from reliable respectable restaurants where I know that the quality is good. Otherwise, why take the chance?
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 03:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that's a no brainer, but why eat sushi from a not so clean or reputable place at any time ? if you eat sushi at all I would hope it's always from a top-grade place.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 03:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Anyway there is no harm to the baby from eating sushi..the problem is if you get food poisoning you cannot take the meds to make yourself feel better so you will have to suffer. How many ppl do you know who have gotten food poisoning fr/sushi?? Americans are so uptight!
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 08:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Recent studies link consumption of nuts during pregnancy with nut allergies. I'm not sure of the specifics. I consumed lots of nuts during pregnancy and DD has life-threatening nut allergies. It may be only if you or your DH has food allergies (my DH does). Check it out though. Congrats and good luck!
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 08:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Actually, the most recent peer-reviewed evidence-based research shows the opposite - that the explosion of food allergies appears to be tied to avoidance of certain foods. Dietary restriction appears to have the opposite effect people imagined (with no real scientific examination) it would.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 08:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] almost 9 mo not interested in finger foods at all. still eating only purees - stage ... 15 replies
- as the rest of the family (minus the high risk allergy foods)...
- op: not even. I dont even think he recognizes them as food...
- agree with poster below let him see you eating the food and he will soon get the hang of it....
- till he was close to a year- he ate chunky food but never feed himself- bagel guy doesn't like my..., she wanted to practice it with all of her food including the purees, so we had to move to all...
Talk : : July 28, 2008
almost 9 mo not interested in finger foods at all. still eating only purees - stage 2. Tried feeding him a stage 2 chicken and vegetable dinner and the gagged on it. Im worries this might be a sensory thing with texture. Should I be concerend or could this be normal?
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.28.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag ]i hope it's normal. my 13 mo JUST started eating tiny tiny finger foods. gagged w/ everything before now. don't think he has any weird sensory disorders... he's absolutely wonderful otherwise!
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I hope so, too. It just seems like most babies his age are eating more advanced stuff. a poster to something else said her 7 mo fed himself a bagel - my ds hasnt even had any wheat yet! Much less a bagel!
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i highly doubt that 7mo is feeding himself a bagel. a lot of parents lie abt their dc's accomplishments (esp abt sleeping through the night and talking)
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I posted about the bagel- 7 mo is #2 my 1st refused to feed himself till he was close to a year- he ate chunky food but never feed himself- bagel guy doesn't like my feeding him- don't know which is better?
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
totally normal for a lot of babies. keep trying
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]keep trying- also see if you feed something sweet along with the new stage 2 foods- it might be the new flavors causing him to gag. My ds gags at food he doesn't like but he had no trouble wolfing down a cookie his big brother slipped him.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Will dc pick up cherios, toast, cubed fruit and veg if it is put in front of them or not at all interested?
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: not even. I dont even think he recognizes them as food
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree with poster below let him see you eating the food and he will soon get the hang of it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OR: i also never had much luck with those stage 2 foods. have you ever tasted it? gross! we tried mashing up bannanas, plums, grating fresh apples, mashing steamed carrots and potatoes, and he seemed to like that. canned baby stuff makes me gag.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I have a policy - I taste all of his food, and if I wouldnt eat it, he doesnt have to. But truth be told, I like most of it! But the meat stuff has always grossed me out a bit.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA - they taste disgusting. It's really easy just to mash up some of whatever you are eating to feed. By 9mo my ds was eating exactly the same as the rest of the family (minus the high risk allergy foods)
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
make sure you are eating in front of him, eventually he will be interested (I think you would have noticed other sensory issues if it was that)
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]does he have the pincer grip down? once my dd got that down, she wanted to practice it with all of her food including the purees, so we had to move to all finger foods all the time.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: yes, he has a good pincer : )
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] A friend of ours recently brought up a good point - how will we deal with our baby's ... 18 replies
- i had same situation. i brought detergent and asked them to use, also b/c i have allergies...
- lol! i was so careful with my first born from the detergent i used to the food she ate to the toys she played with. by the time my next kid came along, all that cautious behavior went out...
Talk : : July 26, 2008
A friend of ours recently brought up a good point - how will we deal with our baby's laundry? We don't have laundry in our building, so we drop it off at a cleaning service. But when we asked the cleaning service about soft detergents for baby clothing, they looked at us like we had two heads! Surely, someone has figured this out? We live near 70th and Columbus, so we are hoping to find something nearby... perhaps a place that we can still drop off, but that's sensitive to these needs? We are first time parents - we think this is something to be concerned about.... right???
18 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.26.08, 07:27 AM [ Flag ]You do know you can bring your baby's laundry to a laundromat and--gasp!--do it yourself.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can use the same detergent that you would for yourself
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 07:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I never once used a special detergent for db. All was fine. Your child might have extremely sensititve skin, might not. Just wash the clothes and see what happens. It will most likely be fine with normal detergent.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We don't use dreft, but use "tide free" type. I think you may have to just do yourself. Or look into a portable washer for the apt. Friends of ours did that.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i had same situation. i brought detergent and asked them to use, also b/c i have allergies
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I agree with above. We dropped off our laundry, and did db's laundry ourselves. It's not that big of a deal -- just make sure you get alot of onesies, etc., so you only have to do it 1 x/week (and db's laundry won't be much since it's so small). Or just wash in regular detergent, as we did with db #2.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We are on the UWS, and our local laundry will use the laundry detergent you ask as long as you supply it. You need to be a regular, good customer. I know they use it because they always let me know when they are running low.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: we're in teh w70s and basically every laundromat around here does that--we go into our local one (w74st) and there are lots of bottles of dreft, all free & clear, etc., that belong to the drop-off customers. i don't have personal experience with it, though, because dh and i drop off our laundry, but i do dcs' laundry in our basement.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
dreft and the such is only for first borns
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol! i was so careful with my first born from the detergent i used to the food she ate to the toys she played with. by the time my next kid came along, all that cautious behavior went out the window.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^so, in answer to the original poster's question, no, this is not something to concern yourself with (unless your baby does, indeed, have very sensitive skin and has reactions to fragrances and the like).
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
greenapple and slate are cleaners that use ecofriendly/non-toxic products. no locations near you buy they offer delivery.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well thank you all. I know it must sound ridiculous not to do our own - it's just there's only one place we've found and it feels a little creepy :) but that all sounds good. I'll look into this portable washer idea or just go a little further away and do it ourselves, once/week. Thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]To the best of my knowledge, there is an organic laundry place (which does drop off) on 69th between CPW and Columbus (closer to Columbus, on the south side of the street).
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I live on 69th and Columbus and have the same situation - we drop off our laundry at Ecowash on 69th near columbus and have our own detergent there with our name on it - plan to do the same thing when first db is born this september.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]First, please don't worry, my old building had three little kids and no laundry. My whole family tried to paint a picture in which my child would throw up over everything and i would need to get it washed immediately, blah, blah, blah and it was fine. You can bring your own dreft type detergent to almost anyplace. Clothes are so cheap at that age (if you want them to be) so it's fine.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]just had same exact worry as you this afternoon. funny. thanks for asking the question for me!
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 08:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] question - my kid will be starting preschool in the fall and has three allergies (dai... 24 replies
- potentially dangerous foods. At my child's camp, there are signs on the door saying "No food with peanuts allowed" "No strawberries" etc. Schools take allergies seriously. If they don't, change schools....
- s needs clearly. As for school, they school with communicate with the other parents the schools food policy. The other parents will follow them. But you need to make sure you keep a...
Talk : : July 25, 2008
question - my kid will be starting preschool in the fall and has three allergies (dairy, egg, and peanut). i know the school will be doing it's best to wipe down tables, have kids wash hands etc. i want to make sure my kid is safe, but i also don't want to be known as that overprotective mom with the allergic kid. what is the best way for me to make allies out of the other parents?
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.25.08, 02:18 PM [ Flag ]Meet with the teacher or school administrator beforehand - teachers will need epi-pens etc. - most schools in my experience clearly post signs on classroom door indicating that there is a child with allergies and let the parents of other classmates know that there is a child w/allergies. There are "no nut" classrooms and even "no nut" schools. You may also qualify to get a SEIT who can attend specifically to make sure that your dc does not eat any potentially dangerous foods. At my child's camp, there are signs on the door saying "No food with peanuts allowed" "No strawberries" etc. Schools take allergies seriously. If they don't, change schools.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 02:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]At my DC's camp, the counselors check lunch bags at drop off.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 04:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I have the same situation and it is SO difficult to let go and send them to preschool. My daughter started last fall. I have found that the best thing for me to do is just to talk to the other parents. Once people have met me and my daughter and understand the situation, they usually go way out of their way to be careful. I've had several people make special birthday cakes so my daughter can enjoy the cake at a party. I was really surprised by that. Still, I quiz the school staff like crazy and they probably do think I'm the annoying overprotective mom. You probably will get a comfort level with this at some point, but not a day goes by that I'm not freaking out a little during snack time. Good luck to you!
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what happens to your dc if exposed? does she develop anaphylaxis, or something else?
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 03:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP - it's an anaphylactic response to dairy - hives, itching, eyes swelling, trouble breathing (she even has a reaction when dairy touches her skin - huge hives the size of golf balls) - luckily peanuts and eggs are far less severe, just a mild itching - but have been told to treat it as something that could progress for safety. it seems that she outgrowing the peanuts and eggs, but the dairy is getting worse. Thanks for all the suggestions by the way!
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would think a seit would be necessary for a dc with a risk of anaphylaxis.
[ Reply | Options ]07.25.08, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]SEITs are for special education; not allergies. The OP would have to apply for a paraprofessional with a 504 form. SEITs are for other issues - learning issues, behavioral issues (ADHD), sensory issues, etc. as part of an IEP (individualized educational plan)
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 06:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, but you know what she meant, right?
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I did, but I wanted to help her know the difference so she didn't waste a lot of time filling out the wrong paperwork.
[ Reply | Options ]07.29.08, 05:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What do you expect everyone to do? No snacks? Nothing but carrot sticks? I think that you are the one who has to learn to live in the world of the otehr parents....your kid has to be taught not to share food, you have to send along a vegan dessert to birthday parties, you have to host your own playdates. You can't expect parents not to send in cupcakes for their kids' birthdays. The nut thing shouldn't be an issue because all schools are nut free.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 11:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP never said that she expected other parents to not send in snacks. Get over your hostility, k?
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP - i never said no snacks - did you actually read what i wrote? i wanted to know how to approach other parents - i want them as an ally in keeping my kid safe. you see i know that i am going to meet parents like you who don't know and don't care about what could happen to my kid if she ate dairy. and i don't want to forbid kids from having snacks i just want to keep my kid safe.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dd had a little girl with same issues in her pre-school class. The teachers had done a very good job of making her classmates allies. So much so that I knew to pickup special cupcakes when I brought some infor my dd's b-day. Even still allthe kids kept telling me that X couldn't have any because she was allergic to eggs.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So what is it that you want them to do? You want them not to bring in cupcakes for birthdays or pack dairy in lunchboxes?
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OP, don't listen to that idiot above. My dcs have NO allergy issues and I completely empathize with you- I am thankful they don't & know it isn't your fault. Anyway, I know that one mom with a severely allergic dc in my child's class keeps "approved" treats in the school fridge/cupboard for special snacks (dairy/gluten free cupcakes for instance). That way, her dc gets to enjoy the special event safely. And they are diligent about wiping, no sharing, etc. Good luck. I'm sure dc will be OK.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]As the parent of an incredibly healthy child. The best way to make me an ally is to make it easy for me. If I can't send peanut butter, please tell me what I can use instead. Send me your egg-free cupcake recipe. Let me know if jello or applesause is ok.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^The reality is you've already done all the hard work to figure out what your kid can be around. Share as much of that info with the other parents in a way that makes it easy for them to comply.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]??? Almost nobody can send peanut butter anymore. Who ever heard of jello or applesauce NOT being OK. Weird.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My kids can and doeat anything and thrive, so I generally don't pay attention to what's ok or not. I appreciate the parent that just spells it out.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OP - thanks! i really appreciate that answer - because that's what i want to do for other parents - make it easier for them (i would totally be the parent who wouldn't mind being in charge of the allergy free snacks so other parents wouldn't have to be thinking - is what i'm making ok? i would do that). and some of the ideas about keeping food at the school are great! thanks so much!
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Some of the parents WANT to do the snacks. Just make it easy for them to select the correct foods.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
make it easy on others and start teaching your dc what s/he can eat/can't eat. i also find that most people are really sensitive to allergies these days. I'd be a little overprotective if i were in your shoes too, to be honest
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You don't need to amke allies with the other parents. When your child has a playdate, make sure you communicate dc's needs clearly. As for school, they school with communicate with the other parents the schools food policy. The other parents will follow them. But you need to make sure you keep a supply of acceptable snacks for your dc at the school. You need to keep up with the calendar and make sure you bring an alternative treat when there will be parties and special events at school. You need to make sure that you teach your child not to eat anyone elses food.
[ Reply | Options ]07.27.08, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree with this. You shouldn't be approaching the other parents. And you shouldn't be limiting what the other kids have for snack either. You should supply all of the food for your child and the teachers should know to serve only that food to your child. Your child should be taught not to touch other children's food. But you can't insist that every child eat dairy free, egg free food.
[ Reply | Options ]07.28.08, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] so ds's birthday party is this weekend. i need ideas for a menu as i have a few kids ... 4 replies
- I would always prepare what my kid wants to eat at his own party! The others would have to bring their own food or tell me what to have prepared....
- Get some pizzas and call it a day. Those with allergies can either bring their own food (common) or take the cheese off....
Talk : : July 24, 2008
so ds's birthday party is this weekend. i need ideas for a menu as i have a few kids with allergies-soy, egg, and dairy.plus need to be kosher...what is a good kid meal that includes all of these factors-but can be enyoed by others as well. tia
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.24.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag ]some kind of pasta with tomato sauce?
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.08, 12:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would always prepare what my kid wants to eat at his own party! The others would have to bring their own food or tell me what to have prepared.
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Get some pizzas and call it a day. Those with allergies can either bring their own food (common) or take the cheese off.
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.08, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or order one without cheese
[ Reply | Options ]07.24.08, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] i'm still exclusively breastfeeding my 9mo. i haven't used a drop of formula. but i w... 7 replies
- Is she losing weight? What is making you concerned? At 9mo your dc should be eating a good range of solid foods (although her allergies do make things harder)....
- will be more about learning how to drink than getting liquids. I'm assuming you are introducing "solid" foods on a normal schedule in addition to breastfeeding?...
Talk : : July 19, 2008
i'm still exclusively breastfeeding my 9mo. i haven't used a drop of formula. but i wonder if she's getting enough from my milk. i b/f 5 times a day. is this fine or should i supllement with something, even formula (she's allergic to cow's milk though, so it would have to be a soy one)?
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.19.08, 12:53 PM [ Flag ]so sick of this breastfeeding issue. If she's not getting enough, supplement with formula. I have two ds. Breastfed one, not the other. Both are perfectly healthy and seemingly well adjusted. I think it is ridiculous.
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is she losing weight? What is making you concerned? At 9mo your dc should be eating a good range of solid foods (although her allergies do make things harder).
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do you know she's allergic to cow's milk
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]she couldn't breathe after i gave her yogurt
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
When I was EBF, the ped told me to supplement with a vitamin D supplement.
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ Didn't clue into the 9-month issue. I agree with the above poster, DD should be eating some solids by now.
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I ebf two babies past 12 mos. She doesn't need additional formula, but you should introduce water in a soft-spout cup or just an ordinary cup. At 9 mos it will be more about learning how to drink than getting liquids. I'm assuming you are introducing "solid" foods on a normal schedule in addition to breastfeeding?
[ Reply | Options ]07.19.08, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] My DD is 2yo and severely allergic to dairy (not only does she have a reaction if she... 26 replies
- nut free enviornment. My dd had a milk allergy too but grew out of it completely by...true..just trying to give OP our experience with allergies and school...
- food and then consider preschool for the 3s when maybe she's outgrown some of the allergies...about this-most places are used to kids with allergies these days....
- Funny because soy is a much more common allergy than either peanuts or nuts. That said, peanut...
Talk : : July 17, 2008
My DD is 2yo and severely allergic to dairy (not only does she have a reaction if she ingests a dairy product, but if she is touched by something with dairy in she gets huge hives everywhere). She is also allergic to peanuts and eggs, but not as bad. I would like to apply to preschool for her for next fall, but i am also a realist and know that i cannot expect schools to change their classrooms or school just to make her safe. i was also thinking that maybe to hold off for a year or two to see if her allergy ends up going away or at least becoming less severe, but then i worry that she will end up missing out on valuable social interaction with other kids. maybe there are schools that already have allergy policies in place that also include dairy free policies? any thoughts? advice?
26 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.17.08, 08:12 AM [ Flag ]most are nut-free and my son's school never serves milk, fwiw... snack is pretzels or crackers and juice or water. birthdays are tricky b/c moms bring cupcakes but we had a nut allergy in his class this year and it was fine. everyone was very accomodating.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ at 2yo they only ate snack at school, no lunch. Older kids do bring lunch and i'm not sure if they would have them not bring milk or yogurt... but i could see it working. but then again, i'm very sympathetic and feel like what's the big deal?
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: milk is such a basic part of most kids' diets, so I don't think you could tell families that they could not bring milk for lunch.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why? Drink milk at breakfast and dinner. I just don't see what the big deal is. But like I said, I'm really sympathetic (have a brother with peanut allergy) and also I have a great eater who doesn't care what I pack for lunch...
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have a really picky eater -- it's hard enough that I can't pack PB&J for him (his usually lunch). I now pack yogurt and milk for him. Don't know what I'd do if I had both restrictions in place. I'm also sympathetic -- I had a dairy allergy growing up, but no one ever restricted other kids because of me. I just drank juice while everyone around me drank milk.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hear you. I know it's hard for parents to deal with the restrictions. I don't think there's a right answer to this one. OP, I hope it works out for you!
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]try other nut butters instead of peanut butter? or are all of them off-limits? my ds loves almond butter
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]all of them off limits except soy butter which my dc won't eat
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Funny because soy is a much more common allergy than either peanuts or nuts. That said, peanut allergies can be deadly
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Many schools have nut-related policies in place, but I think adding a severe dairy allergy and an egg allergy to the mix is asking the school to be prohibitively restrictive on other children and parents. Is preschool a necessary part of your pre-private school readiness efforts - or are you planning on going public? If the latter, I would definitely wait a year or so.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks for all the posts. i agree that schools that are nut free and then you add milk to the mix on the list of restrictions it is frustrating for the other parents - and i can't expect other parents to remember because it's not their kid. (i used to work in a kindergarten before getting certfied to teach HS social studies - so i remember how hard it was with the lunches and the peanut free table).
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA, as someone with a vegetarian child this would really make it difficult to feed my dc
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
in our preschool it's a nut free enviornment. My dd had a milk allergy too but grew out of it completely by 3yr old. The school was great in keeping milk away from her and would give her something else to drink when milk was offered
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: sounds like this doesn't just involve milk but anything with milk in it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]true..just trying to give OP our experience with allergies and school
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Most schools are use to allergies and can make accom.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I really feel for you -- my nephew has a severe milk allergies and has had to go to the hospital a couple times when he accidentally ingested products containing milk. That being said, I think you could easily find a nut-free place. However, it will be very difficult to find a dairy-free place. Dairy is all around, as you know, and it would be hard to have a school be completely dairy-free.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think that preschool is highly overrated for kids who have involved parents. It can be fun, but it is certainly not necessary. I think that whatever decision you make will be fine.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think in todays world they might be willing to work with you and 2yo could hopefully outgrow it a little (probably not, ugh). I would apply for school and THEN see. Does it mean the other kids can't bring milk or eggs? Also, maybe there is a time slot where they would be less likely to eat/have lunch. I'm not sure... just brainstorming.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]-- Also, I guess a jewish/kosher preschool might be used to separating the milk out, but maybe they allow milk and not meat - the opposite. Even if you aren't Jewish, it prob could be fine for nursery school.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i think you could skip a real preschool for 2s and maybe just try a separation class that won't involve food and then consider preschool for the 3s when maybe she's outgrown some of the allergies or has milder reactions. i think that nut-free is pretty common, but i'm not sure that you can actually force an entire class to also be dairy and egg-free for both snack and lunch. although i do think ps do a good job of making sure kids wash hands after eating, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]most schools have allergy policies in place. my kids are older, and their preschool had no policy, since there were no kids at the time who had allergies (what we were told anyways). their ongoing school has a policy, which changed from peanut free to nut free based on the allergy of a dc who had severe allergies. schools can change their policies-if a school isn't willing to work with you, you don't want to send your dc there. please don't be insecure about this-most places are used to kids with allergies these days.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can't expect a school to go dairy free, but you can expect that they will take special measures to ensure that dc does not eat it, or is in danger of being touched by it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]they may try, but it's hard to prevent any and all contact with dairy products. My SIL has accidently given my nephew products which she had no idea contained dairy. She's really vigilient about it, but mistakes still happen. Like the person below ssaid, I would want to have confidence in the teachers to react appropriately if a reaction does occur.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't have any words of wisdom. My decision would be based in part on how confident I am as to how her teachers would react should she suffer a reaction. In other words, how confident am I they know how where to find and how to use an epi pen if something were to happen. Just my 2 cents.
[ Reply | Options ]07.17.08, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you are in Manhattan there is a great preschool (My Little Village on Ave A) which took excellent care of my son's friend with a severe dairy, egg, milk and peanut allergy. He never had an accident while he was there and they are very accomodating. School is only nut free.
[ Reply | Options ]07.26.08, 08:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Taking three kids (8, 5 and 3) to a very remote area in a developing country for 3 we... 37 replies
- I would take tylenol, motrin, benadryl or other allergy med. first aid stuff. probably pedialyte or something like it. . . what kind of access will...of a balanced meal but works in a crunch. In our home, we think of packaged and processed foods as pretty crappy; we tend to eat more whole, live foods. Many kids get burnt out on foreign food after several days and are recharged by some American style 'comfort'. btw, Since when are...
Talk : : July 12, 2008
Taking three kids (8, 5 and 3) to a very remote area in a developing country for 3 weeks. Help me think of things I'm going to need to bring with me. I'm making the packing list now. TIA!
37 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.12.08, 02:17 PM [ Flag ]purell
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]where?
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in the Andes
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you ask "where", I'm wondering "why"
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: my thoughts exactly.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]? You guys are never curious about something? Remote area sounds intriguing to me and I sure will always ask where. NP, btw.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]of course i'm curious and i would love to go. i just wouldn't take my 3yo. just too young, imo. the 8 and 5 yo are fine. nnp
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think they meant why are they going there, not why are you asking...
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Very interesting to me. Not exactly something I would want to do with a young child though.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: curious, why not?
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 09:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would take tylenol, motrin, benadryl or other allergy med. first aid stuff. probably pedialyte or something like it. . . what kind of access will you have to supplies?
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]very limited access to anything "american" except of course Coke, lol.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and pringles
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]which, by the way, is excellent for diahrrea, etc
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 06:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
immodium
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]get a prescription for cipro -- good to have just in case
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and an epi pen
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 02:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what would we use cipro for?
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's an antibiotic, so you would use to fight bacterial infection
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i know it's an antibiotic -- i was just wondering why to take that one in particular. if we get sick enough to need medicine, we'll just drive the 3 hours to the bigger city.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]b/c cipro is very powerful, kills everything.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you won't necessarily want to drive three hours on what I assume will be rough roads with a really sick child
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't assume you will be able to drive. In remote areas, it doesn't take much to get cut off. And if your child has a serious infection, hours can make a huge difference.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
honestly, if I were going to a "very remote area in a devloping country" with young children, I would definitely consult a travel clinic or at least a pediatrician first. cipro in not necessarity an appropriate mediation for children. Also, driving three hours in a very remote area with a sick child is probably alot easier said that done.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, we always hit the travel clinic before this kind of travel. we'll be high above mosquito areas, and since it's so remote there's actually very little by way of bacteria that can get us. we all have hep a shots.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
bandaids, neosporin, sunblock, children's motrin/tylenol
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]tons of baby wipes and hand sanitizer. Maybe some parmalat (if you can pack it).
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]dvd player with rechargeable battery pack. get the kids disposable cameras. does everyoen have a leapster or something along those lines? Make 8 and 5 yo write (or draw) in journals while you are there.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 03:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]actually, we bring nothing like this -- on purpose. it's important that we unplug entirely from the world while we're there. though the kids will get cameras. we only bring books and old-school games like checkers.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 04:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is awesome. I wish we could afford something like that.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it really is amazing.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
flashlights!
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]GET TRAVEL INSURANCE!!! we traveled like this, paid roughly $200 for medivac insurance due to emergency, and almost actually had to use it when DS fell and his his head. it is SO worth it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Water sanitizing suplies
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Call me crazy but 2 weeks into a jungle vacation(6 parents,5 kids combined-age range2.9-7yo)), one of us produced a jumbo bag of Goldfish. This was strangely re-orienting for the kids, whom had been doing a great job but were beginning to tire of the adventuresome snack and meal schedule. I know it's crap but how about a few boxes of those Annie's mac and cheese. Also a bottle of dried cinnamon sticks, which are a powerful systemic purger when made into tea; it's great for stomach bugs. Tea tree oil and a big box of baking soda.
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Since when is a box of Goldfish crap?
[ Reply | Options ]07.13.08, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Goldfish are a comfort snack for many US kids; I was referring to the Annie's mac and cheese which isn't much of a balanced meal but works in a crunch. In our home, we think of packaged and processed foods as pretty crappy; we tend to eat more whole, live foods. Many kids get burnt out on foreign food after several days and are recharged by some American style 'comfort'. btw, Since when are Goldfish not crap? There are too many other nutritious options, for us to consider them a valuable regular snack.
[ Reply | Options ]07.13.08, 02:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] DD had rice cereal for a few days...then oatmeal...then rice+veggie and oatmeal+fruit... 1 reply
- dd can do straight up baby food any time, you mean like chicken and turkey and veggies etc.? you don't have to mix it. as long as you wait about 4 days after introducing new food to watch for allergies you can pretty much do whatever baby will eat providing it is the right texture (obviously no nuts, eggs, strawberries)...
Talk : : July 12, 2008
DD had rice cereal for a few days...then oatmeal...then rice+veggie and oatmeal+fruit....now almost 6 months old - when does she get straight up baby food or do i continue to mix? HELP!! Thanks!
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.12.08, 11:10 AM [ Flag ]dd can do straight up baby food any time, you mean like chicken and turkey and veggies etc.? you don't have to mix it. as long as you wait about 4 days after introducing new food to watch for allergies you can pretty much do whatever baby will eat providing it is the right texture (obviously no nuts, eggs, strawberries)
[ Reply | Options ]07.12.08, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Can someone pls help me with a food allergy issue? We just had dd (3.5) tested for a... 22 replies
- you don't have to worry. So many people immediately pull EVERYTHING a kid tests allergies to, and they end up being able to eat nothing at all...
- food allergy tests have are notoriously high false positive rates....
- dd whatever she has been having, and don't worry too much. Lots of allergies are false positives - and a slight red rash around the mouth isn't...
Talk : : July 11, 2008
Can someone pls help me with a food allergy issue? We just had dd (3.5) tested for allergies b/c of a reaction she had to one thing. Results came back and showed elevated levels for a huge list, including milk and eggs (which she has daily with no reaction). Ped is sending us to an allergist for confirmation. Is it possible she's been allergic all her life with no reaction? I'm getting nervous now. Thanks.
22 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.11.08, 11:53 AM [ Flag ]Unlikely, and if she is allergic she probably won't have . I have been tested repeatedly and been found allergic to a whole slough of things I eat regularly, and have never had an adverse reaction (the only potential thing I have is a large amount of mild headaches)
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm sorry - I'm not following well today! - you mean, unlikely that she's allergic? I don't know whether to keep giving her milk in the meantime. Doctor's office was not very helpful.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If she is "allergic" she may never have a rxn. Keep giving her milk if she's been having it for 2.5 years (I assume, approx) and has had no reactions. Same for everything else. What did she have a reaction to?
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]She had a reaction to apples, which is why I asked them to run the test. We didn't expect the rest. What is an RXN? Thanks for your responses....
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^Ah, I got it -- reaction. Is it dangerous to keep giving it, though?
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, not at all. I "am allergic" to milk, eggs, strawberries, cherries, beets (basically anything red), soy, corn and wheat - and I eat all those things in abundance. Never had any problems.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I guess it depends on the level, then, maybe? We'll make an appt with an allergist, but in the meantime, I was confused about what to do. Thanks again.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no problem. Basically, if you child has been eating/drinking those things for years with no problems you don't have to worry. So many people immediately pull EVERYTHING a kid tests allergies to, and they end up being able to eat nothing at all
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That was my fear exactly. And my ped tends to be alarmist about things (we have been sent to 4 specialists in 4 months for newborn baby, and each time it was a non-issue). So I feel like I need to take their comments with a grain of salt.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, absolutely. keep giving your dd whatever she has been having, and don't worry too much. Lots of allergies are false positives - and a slight red rash around the mouth isn't too much to worry about (I get one from mangoes because of their skin - try taking it off and seeing what happens). Unlikely to develop a worse allergy. Good luck
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks so much!
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yw.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I have a friend allergic to apples - it is the pectin. She is also allergic to mangoes, so you might be careful with those. What type of rxn?
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What is pectin? My dd has a slight red rash around the mouth when eating apples, but not when drinking apple juice. I guess b/c the juice is processed it's ok? She seems to do fine with mango, but thanks for the tip - I'll ask about that, too.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yep, that's what it is. Pectin is a component of apples (and other fruits, oranges, carrots, etc) that contributes to firmness, it is also used as a gelling agent for jams and jellies, etc. and a source of fiber. That being said, she could be allergic only to apples and nothing else
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's the only thing she's ever had a reaction to. That, and ginger, actually.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]similar rxn? ginger is "spicy" so that a whole different thing
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
^^^ and sorry my or wasn't clear...
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
food allergy tests have are notoriously high false positive rates.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How interesting. So will a visit with the allergist for skin testing be more accurate?
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not necessarily. If dd's rxn isn't serious I wouldn't bother
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: (above is np) every time you retest your probability of false positive goes down. I would imagine that different tests have different false positive rates. See the allergist. If you leave unsatisfied, get a second opinion.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] how do you get ~15mo to eat protein? she won't eat meats. tia! 10 replies
- Tofu, cheese, nuts (if there are no family allergies), eggs, beans...
- Mine would only eat eggs. Ped then ok'd nut butters (no family history of allergies)...
- eating other protein like eggs and cheese, I wouldn't worry too much. her food options will open up more when she is older...
Talk : : July 11, 2008
how do you get ~15mo to eat protein? she won't eat meats. tia!
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.11.08, 10:52 AM [ Flag ]McDonald's Chicken McNuggets. Then move her onto the healthier kind like Ians or Applefarms.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Tofu, cheese, nuts (if there are no family allergies), eggs, beans
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Mine would only eat eggs. Ped then ok'd nut butters (no family history of allergies)
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]toddlers aren't adventurous when it comes to food. they have too much stuff going on. if she is eating other protein like eggs and cheese, I wouldn't worry too much. her food options will open up more when she is older
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]she would eat only fruit if she could - no eggs or meats. some luck with hummus and peanut butter, but ped. said she needs more protein.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]try lots of different forms of eggs, or things like french toast
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]make her scrambled eggs for the next couple of mornings. you might have to serve them to her for a week before she will eat them.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
turkey dogs
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]some yogurts are very high in protein. same with cheese
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there's lots of other ways to get protein. 15 monthold might eat mild fish; eggs, cheese, yogurt are good, and you can do bean/grain combos. my picky eater loves a plate of rice and beans from most mexican restaurants. if she likes corn, offer beans with that.
[ Reply | Options ]07.11.08, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Just read that there is organic honey in the Earth's Best snack bar I am giving my 13... 4 replies
- the issue with honey is not allergies, its botulism, and its irrelevant once kid is over one year. you're fine....
- i also think it's differnt if it's in a processed food rather than plain....
- Oh good. I haven't kept up with foods she can't have at this point and thought honey was still one. Thanks....
Talk : : July 09, 2008
Just read that there is organic honey in the Earth's Best snack bar I am giving my 13mo. What's the allergy risk on that? Cooked honey okay? Just the "raw" stuff to avoid? TIA.
4 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.09.08, 11:18 AM [ Flag ]the issue with honey is not allergies, its botulism, and its irrelevant once kid is over one year. you're fine.
[ Reply | Options ]07.09.08, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i also think it's differnt if it's in a processed food rather than plain.
[ Reply | Options ]07.09.08, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]botulinm, but yes, over 1yo is no problem
[ Reply | Options ]07.09.08, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh good. I haven't kept up with foods she can't have at this point and thought honey was still one. Thanks.
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Keep then engaged and entertained: The Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum ...
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UrbanBabySanFrancisco
Most of San Francisco’s branch libraries are kind of small, so the children’s section amounts to a couple of tables with chairs, a few shelves of books, and maybe if you’re lucky a couple of battered stuffed animals. But kids ...
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