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[+] after yesterday's nastiness - which seemed to die down a bit after that other site st... 6 replies
- but then it got downright hostile in the evening. There was a Christianity post and some cocktail party wildness and something about circumcision that was full of that "nobody knows me so I'll get out my aggression" stuff. Maybe it was just me...was me. It's not so much that "nobody knows me", -I think of this as a community, which it is. Circumcision does contribute to a lifetime of difficulty and misery -for some men, and I unfortunately am one of them. This can...
Talk : : August 13, 2008
after yesterday's nastiness - which seemed to die down a bit after that other site started up - I wonder if some of the evil nasties have returned. Was yesterday nastier than usual, or am I mistaken ?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.13.08, 06:07 AM [ Flag ]-
there were some fun ones, but then it got downright hostile in the evening. There was a Christianity post and some cocktail party wildness and something about circumcision that was full of that "nobody knows me so I'll get out my aggression" stuff. Maybe it was just me ? You seem nice enough !
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 06:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! I try! But sometimes people get nasty when I just post an opposing opinion. I get called horrible names here fairly often. To me, that's part of the fun. ;-)
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 06:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I sometimes feel sorry for people ! It's also that you can't read someone's tone in a post. Sometimes sometimes some simple word gets people freaking !
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 06:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. Makes it really easy to jump to conclusions and make assump[tions about people. But again, I think that's part of the fun. I never take it personally
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 06:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Sorry. That was me. It's not so much that "nobody knows me", -I think of this as a community, which it is. Circumcision does contribute to a lifetime of difficulty and misery -for some men, and I unfortunately am one of them. This can be demonstrated. The fact that it is still legal and practiced, is frustrating. That people do it to their own children...? It is hard to break these familial cycles!
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 10:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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[+] Someone told me today that sometimes if you circumcise, if it is religious, the perso... 38 replies
- has ordered a Monsey rabbi to stop performing oral-suction circumcisions and to take a Herpes test. Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer's old-world method of performing circumcisions also has come under scrutiny by the New York State and...The New York City Health Department says three infants circumcised by Fischer got herpes and one died. Fischer uses...York City health officials have prohibited Fischer from performing circumcisions and ordered him to take a blood test...
Talk : : August 12, 2008
Someone told me today that sometimes if you circumcise, if it is religious, the person doing this is taking the penis into their mouth as part of the rituale? Can this be true?
38 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.12.08, 05:57 PM [ Flag ]LOL! ANd jews have horns and eat children. C'mon! Are you that gullible?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 05:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so the children who died of herpes from this were imaginary?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]wha?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6898403/
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The Rockland County Health Commissioner has ordered a Monsey rabbi to stop performing oral-suction circumcisions and to take a Herpes test. Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer's old-world method of performing circumcisions also has come under scrutiny by the New York State and the Orange County health departments. The New York City Health Department says three infants circumcised by Fischer got herpes and one died. Fischer uses his mouth to suction blood from the wound after he removes the foreskin. The ritual is used predominantly by Hasidic Jews. Many rabbis say Jewish law does not mandate mouth suction. Defenders contend the spread of disease is rare. New York City health officials have prohibited Fischer from performing circumcisions and ordered him to take a blood test for herpes. Lawyers for the city and Fischer have declined to discuss whether the rabbi took the test and the results if he did. Rockland Health Commissioner - Doctor Joan Facelle - has ordered the rabbi to take a blood test Monday. A spokesman for the rabbi says he is cooperating with the city health department.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
That's what I was asking about!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]herpes is terminal?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it was for one of the two twins who had the blood sucked from their penises by a mohel with herpes.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
lol. omg. you've now gone too far.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 05:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]totally fake. same poster who is looking for a moil in westchester i assume.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not fake. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6898403/
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's a joke!
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's not a joke but how hte blood was 'suctioned" away at one point in time. It isn't done anymore.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]really? then how do you explain this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6898403/
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
it is not a joke. i live in rockland a there was a case of a rabbi killing a baby due to a disease transmitted this way. i have no idea if this is a common practice among the very religious of just a fluke.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and what disease would that be?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I believe it was herpes
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think so too
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
gotta link or is this one of those "my brother's best friend's cousin" things?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6898403/
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]posted above
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It was in the book "Good is not Great" apparantly. I don't belive it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it is true
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Did you post this and then post the link too?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]probably pissed about the "christian" post from earlier today
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i was not the op and added in the story. what is the christian post?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]long and sometimes nasty
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sometimes nasty? That post is making me consider leaving UB altogether. The fact that people are so vocal with their hate-mongering and then defend it when called out on it (saying it would be different if the hate was directed to Jews on the post) is despicable.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, yesterday was an nasty day on UB. Maybe Mars was in retrograde, whatever that means...
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I just couldn't believe how free willing people were with their judgments and hate towards Christians. Substitute any other group in there and the hate would not have been tolerated.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I so sick. And embarrassed for all Jews. (I'm one)
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]why would you be embarrased for all Jews because a handful practice an ancient custom?
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It is true. It was called metzitzah b'peh and most mohels don't do it anymore for hygienic reasons, however the strict Orthodox still practice it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Okay, Jew here fully admitting that Hasidics, Lubavitchers and any other ultra-Orthodox Jews are total and complete freaks (just like, by the way, evangelicals and radical Islamists).
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nice how you have to qualify that.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The MSNBC story is beyond repulsive. I can't believe Orthodox Jews do this! Ugh.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 07:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it is very rare to do this even if you are Orthodox. My cousins are Orthodox and their sons' bris' (how do you pluralize that ?!) had no sucking of blood.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
in a tiny minority -- the most fervently religious, they still do this. But even usually through a tube. The overwhelming majority of orthodox do not do "metzitza b'peh" anymore.
[ Reply | Options ]08.13.08, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] what's the process if I want to have newborn ds circumcised in hosp? Can I pre-plan,... 24 replies
- Actually, yes some people prefer circumcised men. Not to mention the fact that it potentially maintains a higher level of...underneath the foreskin (this is a theory not proven). The main reason to circumcise a child is so that he'll look like his daddy. All of this...
- In the case of circumcision, the mother is not the patient. The patient, the baby, can't give...
Talk : : August 11, 2008
what's the process if I want to have newborn ds circumcised in hosp? Can I pre-plan, do I need to give advanced notice? No flames, please.
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.11.08, 01:25 PM [ Flag ]generally your ob does it and you need to discuss it with him/her ahead of time.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Does both parents have to agree? My friend does not want it but her husbands wants it. She says she is going to say no.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I doubt any OB or hospital would do the procedure it either parent objected - they would be afraid of being sued.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I was asked when my husband wasn't around. If I had said yes they would have done it without asking dh.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The mother is the patient. The doctor only listens to the patient.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Uh... In the case of circumcision, the mother is not the patient. The patient, the baby, can't give informed consent.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You should have to give informed consent. That would mean you know that it is very painful, will remove 3/4 of his specialized touch receptors, and make him a less sensitive lover as an adult. Also the procedure has no proven benefit of any consequence, compared to the harm done, the trauma and known risks, which include death.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my ob asked if we wanted her to do it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto--asked after ds was born and did it the following day.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]same here
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my ob said someone would ask us in the hospital if we wanted it done.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Let that boy keep his foreskin. Please?
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are a nut. Do what you want with your own kids, but don't judge others.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do what you want with my own kids? Oh, my. I forgot. Children are the parents' property.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]myob. freak.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Last I heard, parents make their kids' medical decisions.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 03:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes. Medically necessary decisions.
[ Reply | Options ]08.12.08, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
how about you let your kid keep his, and we'll make decisions about our children ?!
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 03:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ and then our daughters will wonder what's wrong with your son's penis and why it looks all weird !
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well if she moves to the midwest- she may be OK- tell her never to date a foreigner or she may enjoy sex
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]because that foreskin is sexy lookin... that usually gets all the American girls hot and horny ! the gym sock look is iin !
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Actually, yes some people prefer circumcised men. Not to mention the fact that it potentially maintains a higher level of sensitivity to the glans resulting it greater sexual satisfaction for the man (due to the fact that it's been covered at all times rather than rubbing against underwear). There is the possibility that a man having sex with someone who is HIV positive increases his chances of becoming HIV positive as the virus can be trapped underneath the foreskin (this is a theory not proven). The main reason to circumcise a child is so that he'll look like his daddy. All of this said, why on earth would you do something that you don't both agree on? That's pathetic.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There is a lot of hot men in Scandinavia with foreskin!
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You go girl.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] i'm getting my 9 day old circumsised this week. what am i in for? 49 replies
- a difficult choice, but comparing it to female circumcision shows your ignorance....
- need be no further explanation for a Jew circumcising a boy. Just as we don't give...
- mostly bc dh is circumcised, also it is cleaner,...
- exception. I'm just saying that if you circumcise based on Jewish law it is rooted in...Men, and they got it. Look up "Yedaiah Circumcision" -Why Jewish penis is better than Christian Penis...
Talk : : August 10, 2008
i'm getting my 9 day old circumsised this week. what am i in for?
49 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.10.08, 01:21 PM [ Flag ]a few days of changing guaze pads. no biggie.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm getting mine done within the first 24hrs, I hate to even think about it, but that's what we are choosing to do.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why? It can,t be necessary if you choose in advance. Is it to accommodate your sexual preferences, or that DH wants DS to "look like him"? -Assuming they be identical twins otherwise eh? There are NO compelling medical reasons to do so. If Jewish, you can wait until his Bar Mitzvah, and then "cut him off" if he doesn't go through with it. At least then HE has the choice. -It is not really your choice to make. His body, his rights. -Now where have I heard that before?
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I didn't want to get my ds circumsised but we needed to. I'd much prefer him to be left as nature intended.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is the snootiest response i've seen here in a long time. i'm assuming you walk around naked? i'm assuming you'd never consider braces for your kids' teeth? or your teeth, for that matter. you'd never do surgery for any reason unless it was needed as the result of some accident or unnatural event, correct?
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are totally wrong. I don't believe in unnecessary surgery and I'm from Europe where it is not common to get ds circumcised. I am not against required surgery as my ds had to have or indeed wearing clothes as you somehow assume. This is obviously touching a nerve for you.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I totally agree. I am European and now way anyone would come near my newborn with a scalpel - YIKES!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]would you let them near you with an under-arm razor & deodorant ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]love it!
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just to inform you it is common to shave in Europe, but not shave baby's penises...
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
wow. that didn't strike me as snooty at all. why so touchy? -np
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]There is a difference in putting braces on a say 12 year old than inflicting pain on an infant. That the mother find this stressfull is not so strange. I don't understand why she feels she needs to.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you sound like a psycho. her response was not snooty. You sound like an asshole.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You're not in for anything. Your son however...
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly. How clueless are you OP -- you're not going through anything.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]BS. It is very stressful for the mother to have the baby circumcised. It is stressful for everyone.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but mostly the baby.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]who knows. It lasts for a few seconds for the baby who knows nothing before hand. The mother stresses and worries for days ahead of time - weeks if you know you're having a boy. Admit you have no idea what you are talking about. Just being nasty to a woman you don't know...
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, if that is what you tell yourself. I am sure it is painless and fine.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks for your permission. I think all Jewish woman feel better now.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But it is a choice you do, why do you always have to be so conflicted about it? It is upsetting to hear about. For me it is the same if you do that to a male or a female. Should I now feel sorry and have sympathy for something you decide? Ok.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nobody asked you to feel sorry for anyone. If she's conflicted about it you can have some sympathy for her as you would for anyone making a difficult choice, but comparing it to female circumcision shows your ignorance.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
get some cream called EMLA and apply it _ i think _ 30 minutes (maybe an hour) before the procedure. It numbs the baby. You're in for one day of feeling horrible and shocked and then a few days of gauze pads. You'll be fine
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I will on the other hand just kiss and cuddle with my baby, instead of cutting him on the most sensitive spot on his little body. I really don't understand this custom at all.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]then you never grew up in a religious Jewish or Muslim household. I find it odd every sunday to stare up at a bloody man hanging off a cross.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 02:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have never done that either. I was Lutheran, but my familiy was very relaxed around religion and so was my school. My dh and me are not very religious at all.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well maybe that may explain it as Martin Luther was a huge Jew hater. Maybe Jewish customs are unimaginable to you because you follow a faith started by a man who thought the Jews were in league with Satan.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ha, ha... This is funny. Eh, no. I am not religious AT ALL. I am not a hater of anyone, but that does not mean I understand the custom of cutting a little baby on their penis. Why inflict pain on a little innocent baby? What does that have to do with God? I don't get it. I think all religions are the cause of a lot of the troubles we have in the world today.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why not just leave it that you don't understand the custom and GL to the woman who - by tradition - will follow it ?
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ok, but I was just curious and wondered what that had to do with God? I just don't know. But I gather it is just because it is tradition and has always been done, not a specific reason for it. GL to both you and your baby.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is has to do with God as in both the Jewish and Muslim faith it is considered a decree handed down by God in genesis for all male Jews. That's all... he said it, it's done. Or someone said he said it, and it's done.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]???? I did not get that smarter of that answer. I am honestly not trying to be funny here.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the smarter ? Nothing smart. It's just writen in genesis that all Jewish males must be circumsized and Muslims do it as well but for diff reasons (I believe when they can recite the Quoran.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 03:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP here. I would prob get a son circumsized if I were to have one but your explanation is pretty weak. Just that it is written? Not a super helpful response, esp as, let's face it, a tradition that causes pain to a tiny baby. There are pros and cons (health issues, looking like dad issues, cultural/religious ones) but just "it is written"? What a crappy reason to make a decision.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oy vey - who said OP was Jewish? Many non-jews circumsize.
[ Reply | Options ]08.10.08, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op- not jewish!
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]than you are choosing it - I assume - for health reasons ? Many Jewish women do it because "it is written". There need be no further explanation for a Jew circumcising a boy. Just as we don't give Christians shit for teaching their children that they eating the literal body of Christ during the Eucharist. That's creepy too.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]mostly bc dh is circumcised, also it is cleaner,
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am Jewsih and was conflicted but knew that we would do it anyway. One of my closest girlfriends (not Jewish) did it because her DH wanted his son to look like him. Whatever the reason, it is difficult to know that your son will cry because of something that you are doing. He will be fine and you will be fine and his penis will be MUCH better looking in the years to come !
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No it isn't, it is called HYGIENE.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't get that reasoning at all. Are they going to be comparing penises? Better looking? C'mon now.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"much better looking" pffftt. The Jews and Muslims have fetishized the unfeeling penile stump, that is left after circumcision. That is what they want for their Men, and they got it. Look up "Yedaiah Circumcision" -Why Jewish penis is better than Christian Penis. -NOT!
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It's no big deal. Just watch out for adhesions afterwards.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If God is so great why did he not create the boys with "great looking" penises in the first place then? It is funny how in religion you can argue for doing something like removing something natural, but otherwise that would be considered a sin. Read the book "The God Delusion" really good. Interesting stuff.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]maybe in his infinite wisdom he made foreskins to be removed later... Like the tag on the mattress that you can't remove until after you've bought it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes at 3 days old when it would hurt like hell, that's infinite wisdom. Now we compare penises with mattresses?
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's 8 days in the jewish religion. I'm not deluded and saying God makess things perfect, btu the foreskin is an exception. I'm just saying that if you circumcise based on Jewish law it is rooted in Exodus. That's it... go nuts...read whatever book you like.
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The foreskin is an exception, and I am going to go nuts? Hmmm...
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are other body parts that just should have been made differently... like the knee for example. The knee is problemmatic too. Yep, I say the knee should have been better constructed and a resounding "Off with their heads" to the foreskin !
[ Reply | Options ]08.11.08, 03:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] DS was circumcised yesterday.. he's 20 mos. my plan is to keep him drugged up until t... 10 replies
- my ds was circumcised at 6mo. he was fine as soon as he woke up in recovery. had on tylenol for 2 days and that was it....
- "Like nothing happened"? Not true.! It will affect his pleasure and sexuality quite negatively for the rest of his life. -How could it not? Do Circumcising women think about that aspect of it at all? Maybe men would be more sensitive if they were left intact and not traumatized this way right...
Talk : : August 02, 2008
DS was circumcised yesterday.. he's 20 mos. my plan is to keep him drugged up until the stitches dissolve.
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]08.02.08, 12:19 PM [ Flag ]why so late?
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]doc didn't want to do it at birth because he was only 4 lbs.. ped thought it would be better to wait for him to be over a year because they use general anesthesia. Oh and I was putting it off.
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my ds was circumcised at 6mo. he was fine as soon as he woke up in recovery. had on tylenol for 2 days and that was it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I wanted him to have it done at 6 mo. but ped said to wait til he's at least 1. He was fine until I removed the dressing from him.. then all hell broke loose, but I gave him some Motrin and he's been ok.
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I had ds' done by a ped urologist who pushed for 6mo instead of 2yrs because at 6mo he wouldn't really be aware of genital region. Ped Urologist warned us away from Motrin and told us to only use Tylenol.
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes now I'm thinking I should have pushed for the ped urologist sooner.. Why did the ped uro warn away from Motrin?
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I really don't know, I think Motrin thins blood, maybe effects clotting? I'm sure it's really not that big of a deal. Your ds will be over this soon, he'll be like nothing happened in a day or two.
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. I hope you're right because on Monday he'll be starting childcare and they are only allowed to apply ointments, not give medicine.
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"Like nothing happened"? Not true.! It will affect his pleasure and sexuality quite negatively for the rest of his life. -How could it not? Do Circumcising women think about that aspect of it at all? Maybe men would be more sensitive if they were left intact and not traumatized this way right from birth. Just maybe...
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] 36 wks prego and trying to decide whether or not to circumcise my son, considering th... 16 replies
- imo, i think you should circumcise, but know that a lot of times the OB does it, and our ob did...not sure, don't do it. You can always circumcise later. But reversing a circumcision is more difficult and takes much more time....
- good hygiene, but i've never come across one. i think circumcision might have come as a necessity cuz men are SOOO lazy,...!!! I know someone who had to have their little boy's circumcision "redone" b/c they didn't take off enough the first...
Talk : : July 16, 2008
36 wks prego and trying to decide whether or not to circumcise my son, considering the sexual implications... and BTDT?
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.16.08, 06:35 PM [ Flag ]imo, i think you should circumcise, but know that a lot of times the OB does it, and our ob did our sons and think he messed it up
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 06:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my ped was impressed by OB's 'work', in his opinion OB's are more used to surgery so have better execution of the deed.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ditto! senior ob resident did it...i was worried but turned out great!
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
36 weeks as well, we decided we will circumcise. Got tons of flames on UB for this, because my husband did have more of a say in it because I never thought of it either way, and he was adament about wanting it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 06:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I circumcised. But if you are not sure, don't do it. You can always circumcise later. But reversing a circumcision is more difficult and takes much more time.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]when? you can't wait too long!!! I know someone who had to have their little boy's circumcision "redone" b/c they didn't take off enough the first time. Apparently it wasn't so easy to bring him back in, for her or for him (and this was a years later...)
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I told DH he should decide that one
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 06:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We didn't. figured that ds could make the decision for himself later - and the sexual partners he chooses or the sexual "benefits" were really not a considertaion in our decision to us, kwim?
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 06:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i had an uncir'd partner, kind of grossed me out actually. i kept wondering what kind of stuff was fermenting in that enclosed humid foreskin all day. one would like to think a guy would practice good hygiene, but i've never come across one. i think circumcision might have come as a necessity cuz men are SOOO lazy, even about their own maintenance.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]omg
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm the dad below- how do you feel about men's tongues?
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
a dh: I'm circ'ed. Neither of my sons were at birth but #2 had to be at 6 months. (He hydronephrosis and a megaureter and was getting UTIs. If a male has a healthy urinary tract, this is a non-issue.) It is no where near as big a deal for the kids as we parents make it for ourselves/each other. My $.02: If you have a strong religious or personal opinion --do it and never look back. Otherwise, don't bother.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 06:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTTA, dh is circ'd and said no way for the boys. No way.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dh is and our ds is not too.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Don't do it, don't do it, I'm going to bed now, but DO NOT do it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you for considering your son's future as an sexual adult. You are to be commended. Being intact will matter to him AND to his sexual partners a LOT - and for the positive. See http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/ for the fuller story -and from a woman's point of view.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I've noticed that my one year old has a little bit of extra skin at the tip of his pe... 1 reply
Talk : : July 16, 2008
I've noticed that my one year old has a little bit of extra skin at the tip of his penis (best way I can describe it.) I'm pretty sure it's always been there but I can't be certain. i'm going to the doctor for a well baby visit on Thursday and I'm going to mention it, but thought maybe someone had seen something like that before? He's circumcised and just got over a really bad diaper rash, if any of that matters
1 reply [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.16.08, 02:20 PM [ Flag ]No idea but if he has always had it I'm pretty sure it will be normal.
[ Reply | Options ]07.16.08, 03:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] ok, we succeeded in moving 1.5 y/o's bedtime from 10 down to 8p. but when she went to... 41 replies
- especially if it's harmless. it's not like circumcising a vagina, my god.)...
Talk : : July 10, 2008
ok, we succeeded in moving 1.5 y/o's bedtime from 10 down to 8p. but when she went to bed at 10, she'd wake up at 9. now, she's waking up at 3 am!!! ready to play!!! this cannot be good. how can we fix it? she's lost 4 hours of sleep a day, and it shows in her behaviour!
41 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.10.08, 08:23 AM [ Flag ]Does she nap?
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]2 times.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ actually, now with 8p bedtime, she naps 3 or 4 times, 2 smaller naps. one comes at 5-6 or 7am. the next is 11-1. the next main one is around 4, depending on if she has class or not...she sometimes takes a short 4th nap in the stroller somewhere.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ahhh. too many naps i'd say. no 4pm nap
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but the main naps are 11-1, and the 4-ish nap. the other 2 are not consistent. if i drop the 4, then she'd go to bed for the night at...5 or 6, and then be up at 1, 2 am...
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]then drop the earlier nap
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]that doesn't work, either...they are both crucial, otherwise she'd be up for, like 7 hours straight or something.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the "nap" in the early morning should be the continuation of her night's sleep. Just don't let her get up (i.e. don't go get her) at 3am
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we co-sleep...she slaps at me to wake up and play w her. she's def not tired. dh and i are dead at that time, have tried everything to get her drowsy again (milk doesn't work anymore...)
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:31 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]ok, you need to STOP the cosleeping NOW
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]co-sleeping is not the problem.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, it is. If db had her own room and a crib she had to stay in she would go back to sleep
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: ITA.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]read below...she's a bed hog, often she's sleeping in the bed alone, and i'm on couch, dh is in her room. yes, screwy, but in essence she has her own bed.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you not understand how BIG of a problem this is? You need to put her in her OWN room in her OWN bed (crib would be better at this point) and allow yourself and your poor dh your room back
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]this is a totally separate issue...we're tackling the early rising issue now (which wasn't an issue before when she went to sleep late--she got plenty of sleep, just different from what other parents enforce, which is what pressured us into changing her routine, now we're screwed.) before we changed her bedtime, co-sleeping was def not an issue.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry, but it is always an issue, and is definitely tied to the bedtime/wakeup. You really need to get her her own room
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]sorry, but my 4 sibs and i co-slept, it wasn't a big deal to my parents at all, just normal. we all like co-sleeping, there is nothing wrong with it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
in fact, 1/2 the time i'm not even in the bed bc i'm working or sleeping on the couch bc she's a bed hog.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why do people do this to themselves? I don't get it?
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]bc i take care of my kid during the day, i need to do my work after she goes to sleep. (i WAH w very little help)
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That does NOT explain why your child is sleeping in your bed with you
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I mean having her in bed w/ you. I get that some families passionately believe in co-sleeping and AP. But it seems like a lot of people just back into it w/o intending to and then have all these difficulties as a result.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what's wrong with it? most of the world cosleeps. it's just a few western countries where people put their babies in cribs in separate rooms. i grew up in an immigrant family. co sleeping really is not a big deal.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Actually, in most of the western world (where I assume op lives as well) cosleeping is not done as it is proven to not only disrupt sleep for all involved, but to be more dangerous for the baby especially
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, my db is out of the danger stage. so, i don't have the right to believe it's not a big deal to co-sleep, when my parents did the same with me and each sibling, as do/did all my relatives (no big deal, kid is 3 and goes into their own bed.) we think it's nice, and if you have a problem with that, you should myob.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, but you do realize you're setting yourselves all up for major issues. I'm surprised your dh puts up with it. Most people i know who have co-slept are divorced now
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, we've been together 17 years while many of our friends have since divorced, i think we can handle co-sleeping given the bigger problems life can throw you. i grew up co-sleeping, as did all of my siblings and cousins (well, in our culture, kids just naturally gravitate to their own beds at around 3. in our parents' culture, it's a non-issue...and even though i'm american, i still have the right to incorporate parts of my parents' culture...especially if it's harmless. it's not like circumcising a vagina, my god.)
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok, you clearly will do wahatever you want.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]some people need regiment, some people can't function with regiment...the latter is seeming to hold true for our little family. try to make her sleep schedule match other kids' and she gets all screwed up and sleep deprived. should have kept her on her late night sched.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]then just go back to it and problem solved (you hope).
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]my question wasn't about co-sleeping...it was about fixing a problem that didn't exist before the bedtime change.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]omg - that is completely asinine. nobody got a divorce simply because of co-sleeping. The funniest thing about all of this to me is that the people who are so vocal and opinionated against co-sleeping are never those who actually co-sleep. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you care so much how other families choose their sleeping arrangements. (np)
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Too many naps. Both of my kids at that age did 7-7 sleep, then a 1 p.m. nap. My oldest kept the morning nap longer so his day was 7-7, 9 a.m. nap, 1 p.m. nap. That 4pm naps i probably screwing her up.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Maybe she needs time to settle into the new routine. Make the time she wakes up at 3am as boring for her as possible and don't interact with her. How long are her naps during the day? Does she need one longer nap rather than two shorter ones? My ds always sleeps better at night if he has napped well during the day. GL
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]her 11 a is longer, maybe up to 2 hours (bc she gets up so early, i suppose, she's exhausted.) the afternoon nap is about 45 min or an hour. last night we totally ignored her--she just left the room and was playing with her toys, flipping through her books--in the dark.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
too many naps. Cut the naps down to one big nap a day
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
how long ago did you do this. might just take some time to adjust.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:27 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]1 wk, 10 days? it's pretty consistent, waking up at 3 on the dot. totally wide awake, not grumpy, pulls books or toys off shelf (after climbing out of bed) and brings them to me, is babbling and pointing things out.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I would get a pack and play to put next to your bed with a couple of toys in it. Put her in there when she wakes up and hope she goes back to sleep after a bit.
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, she's definitely too old for any crib-like thing (we got her her own aero-bed). but maybe we'll just do that general principal of letting her play until she gets tired out (on her own.)
[ Reply | Options ]07.10.08, 08:50 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
[+] If both you and your husband are arguing over circumcising your son, who wins? There ... 68 replies
- different experience. We did have a medical reason for considering circumcision (DS has a kidney abnormality and there are some studies...doctors said we could wait and see, but that circumcision is much more traumatic for older infants/children than...this, people in the US never talk about STDs. Circumcision greatly reduces the chances of getting all sorts of...and more people educate themselves and choose not to circumcise anymore here in the US...
Talk : : July 05, 2008
If both you and your husband are arguing over circumcising your son, who wins? There is a poster below who says her husband wouldn't have more of a say in it, but ONE of you has got to have more of a say, the kid either gets circumcised or not, someone wins, someone does more of a say!
68 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.05.08, 07:25 PM [ Flagged ]We didn't argue, but I was inclined to let DH have more of a say on this issue.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:29 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]ditto. I was sort of surprised (and pleased) when dh said he did not want to circ son, but I would have deferred to him if he felt really strongly on the subject.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 08:38 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I let dh decide.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 08:02 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]we argued and I let dh decide (we did circ). I've won other arguments. I think it comes down to who cares more.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 08:07 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Simple. Don't circumcise and continue discussions. You can always circumcise later, but you can't uncircumcise.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 08:15 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Yes, this is what we did. I didn't want to circ and won out because we could always do it later. There's no medical need to do it, so I didn't feel like I needed to defer to my dh's desire to do it for aesthetic reasons. Even my Jewish friends who did it said that after watching the process, they wouldn't do it again.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 08:50 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]NP: We had a different experience. We did have a medical reason for considering circumcision (DS has a kidney abnormality and there are some studies that suggest circumcision reduces the risk of UTI in children with compromised kidneys). Before the birth, doctors said we could wait and see, but that circumcision is much more traumatic for older infants/children than newborns so we elected to do it within a few days of his birth. No regrets.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 08:12 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]There are some things you should not see. Just turn your head during the ceremony. The truth is (and what no one is admitting) that it is unlikely that DS after living with an uncircumcised penis for many years will decide to have it snipped. He's comfortable the way he is. So in effect we are making the decision for him. That's why I'm having problems with all this "he can decide later" reasoning.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 05:55 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]So he will not want to have it snipped down the road. More power to him. Why would you care?
[ Reply | Options ]09.10.08, 09:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
we discussed it a lot and read all the information out there. then he said, unless our son was gay then a man's opinion was probably not as useful as a woman's opinion, aesthetically. so I polled my friends who'd had the most male partners (women friends and gay man friends just in case, lol) about their opinions of each and why, and in the end we did not circ. there ya go!
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 08:58 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]i like you!
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 07:59 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]same with us
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:25 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
the same could be said for any argument, really. someone always wins, and someone else loses.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 11:28 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]DH here won that discussion. It came down to pure "design aerodynamics". The neccessity debate is irrelevant. Just ask yourself this: Do I want my son to be in the minority with a different shaped penis? How will he handle being a source of curiousity in the locker room?Will his future partners deal with it or want the familiar shape?
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 01:00 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]The minority question doesn't work anymore. It's practically 50/50. The deciding factor for us was, its ds penis and ds can make the decision when he's old enough.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 08:00 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Bull! They're still in the minority and to make your son decide later in life is just idiotic. Your DH should've manned up, gotten it done and over with. DS can then spend time grappling with which college to attend or some other major life decision.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 08:39 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np and what is wrong with a man deciding about his own penis? How is that idiotic? I find it strange that so many parents don't consider letting the owner decide.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:10 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Look, how many men would let a knife get anywhere near their cocks later in life? So all this talk about letting DS decide later in life is so lame. If DH wants it to be circumcised or not just decide and stop the hand wringing. No need to bring up a tribe in Africa; that just sounds racist and ignorant.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 02:52 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
my dh is uncirc. Are you implying he is less of a "man" because he isn't circ?
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:11 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]actually, he's more of a man. :-)
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 02:56 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]No I wasn't and you know it. So don't go there.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:06 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
stupid, stupid, and most of all, sad.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:25 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Ugh, this is such stupid and specious reasoning. Why not make your son feel strong and proud and independent rather than encouraging conformity in all aspects (right from birth!)?
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:24 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]this is not about conformity. If you him to buck the trend and go against the grain he can mismatched socks or a manskirt.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 05:31 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Funny, my DH is uncircumcised and athletic. Maybe he got so good at sports because he didn't spend all his time in the locker room playing with other boys' dicks?
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 03:21 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
the way I approached it was not trying to WIN, but to educate dh. Once I really made him look at what circumcision is and the reasons it's done, he was totally converted. Now he's more anti-circ than I am!
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:23 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Is DH circumcised? Sounds like you bullied DH and he just went yes dear.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:01 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]dh is circed. And dh is not bully-able, believe me. What he is is smart, and convinced by data. There is absolutely NO medical indication for circumcision.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 05:41 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I know this is ancient but this described me -- except it was having the debate with my brother (who is also circ'ed) which convinced me to not do it to my son. (I posted the "I always thought" post below.)
[ Reply | Options ]09.10.08, 07:52 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I'm not letting dh have more of a say about a major decision affecting a child I had to grow and spend 24 hours getting out of my body. No way. Get away from my son with that scalpel or it ends up in your throat!
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:24 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]OMG, your child is going to have major problems if you think that because he grew in your body you have the final say on everything!
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:52 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]ITA. Scary mom on the loose.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 05:38 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np-- nope, the scary moms on this thread are the ones flinging insults because they have nothing else to argue with.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 05:43 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
good lord...
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 04:13 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
What I never understand is when we talk about this, people in the US never talk about STDs. Circumcision greatly reduces the chances of getting all sorts of diseases, and consequently reduces the amount the diseases spread. Why is this never mentioned, because to me it is a good reason to circumcise.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:26 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]It is absolutely NOT a good reason to circumcise. It's a good reason to educate your kids, male and female, on using prophylactics and safe sex in general.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:29 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]yes, but how far does that go? Honestly, I know a ton of men and women who still really only care about pregnancy when thinking about sleeping with someone. When I was dating, it amazed me how few guys wanted to use condoms and even fewer who asked about STD history or got themselves checked. Realistically, I think that people get over their fears of unprotected sex after college (if they ever had them at all).
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 11:33 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]if you're raising your son in tribal africa, I might see your point. As it is, I don't.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 12:15 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Why choose Africa? WTF
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 02:56 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]OMG, because the studies about circ reducing HIV transmission were done IN AFRICA, you moron???
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 05:42 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
hello racist comment! Most of the world does not circumcise their baby boys. are there only STDs in "tribal africa"?
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 02:58 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: I think the only real evidence out there is that it halts spread of aids in Africa
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:02 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]NP: I found that evidence pretty compelling.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:53 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I did too. We have AIDs here, and in certain subsets of the population, it is growing again too because people have gotten lax about condom usage. It may be more treatable here, but it is still a fatal and nasty disease.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:56 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
But we live here in America and this is one area we shouldn't follow the rest of the world on. I take back my point on your comment being racist on further thought.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:28 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
it is simply NOT TRUE: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1650681http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1650681
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 02:08 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Oh please, a condom helps prevent STD's. Most men in Scandinavia is not circumcised and I don't think they have more STD's than the typical US one.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 02:28 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
It doesn't mean that someone has more of a say, it means you have a reasoned discussion and one person is able to sway the other to their POV, even if they wouldn't have done it on their own
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 03:51 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]i am 23 years old, got cirmcumsicion 3 months ago. I had normal penis my whole life, and a small bruise got me fimosis and had to go througth circumsicion. Having tried both forms, circumsiced is a bit more comfortable during sex. Still i would prefer to have it like before, extra protection and preserves sensibility. Not that i miss it too much tougth, not a revelant change, i suggest leaving it there unless medical circumsicion is needed like in my case
[ Reply | Options ]09.10.08, 07:43 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I always thought I had the trump card in this debate but you win. I'm a circ'ed dad who after research and discussion decided to not circ my sons. #2, because of a issues with his bladder and ureter, had to be circ'ed later on. I'm with you. Unless you have cultural/religious stuff involved, leave the penis be. (And the "oddity in the locker room" argument is stupid. I played organized sports through college. I could not tell you which of my team mates were or were not cut.)
[ Reply | Options ]09.10.08, 07:48 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Dh won and we circumcised. But db was miserable that whole day and I regretted the decision. If I had it to do over again, I would fight harder for no circ.
[ Reply | Options ]09.10.08, 07:49 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Well, I am Jewish and DH isn't. DH doesn't want the little guy slashed, but if #2 is a DS I think he will most likely give me more of a say since I would like him to be circumsized. By the way, DH's parents went back and forth and circumsized him at one month. They recommend deciding right away and sticking with your guns. I 100% see both sides (yes or no), but this he can decide stuff is silly to me.
[ Reply | Options ]09.10.08, 08:10 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Silly? His body his rights. Genital integrity is a human right.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:31 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
My husband is British - my OB GYN was Jewish - we live in the US. She told me that my son should match is father. We didnt' do it. My son got a urinary tract infection at 12 weeks and they had to shoot dye up his penis. He wailed like you cannot believe and so did I. I regret it. They say that infection is rare but...I so regret not getting him circumcised.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:34 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]1. I don't beleieve you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.29.08, 10:52 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]1) I don't believe you. 2) You have no absolute proof that his foreskin actually "caused" that particular infection; it's likely something YOU DID or didn't do, such as improper diaper changes, and whatnot, caused it. 3) Do you honestly think that the UTI (you caused) is more painful than CRUSHING your son's nerve-packed foreskin off the end of his penis is?? Don't be absurd! --- His body; his choice.
[ Reply | Options ]11.29.08, 10:58 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]UTIs are actually one of the first things dr.s look for in any sick baby, boy or girl.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 03:26 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I find this debate always fascinating because I am from Europe where boys are not c'ed. In my country, it is viewed as something quite shocking to do. US pediatricians actually do not recommend c'ing. http://www.aap.org/publiced/br_circumcision.htm It seems more and more people educate themselves and choose not to circumcise anymore here in the US
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 12:04 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I am European as well and I totally agree with the poster above. Some friends I know circumcised their son with the result that his urine tract now are not straigth or something like that. Too see small baby boys with the crust after being circumcised is for me a bit offensive and I can't understand why anyone would inflict pain on their newborn.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 02:26 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]same here!
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 03:53 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
The one who says no wins because the hospital will not do it unless both agrees. One of my bf will absolutely not do it but her dh wants, they can't agree but she will just refuse at the hospital so he has no choice.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 03:13 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Admittedly I don't support circumsicion, but were I in that situation I believe the inclination NOT to do it holds considerably more weight. Down the road, a DS could choose to have the foreskin removed. I don't think it's necessary for parents to perform all the cosmetic procedures of a lifetime for their chidren at birth.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 03:18 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]i think it comes down to aesthetics. let's face it an uncirced penis is down right ugly. if you want your son to have a second date get him circed. plain and simple.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 04:39 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]NOT TRUE!!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is BS & if you decide on whether or not to get your kid circ because of a 2nd date you are a complete whack job. Circumcision is barbaric in my opinion.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]barbaric??? people have been doing this for centuries.
[ Reply | Options ]12.01.08, 05:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
BS a lot of really handsome men get laid in Scandinavia all the time.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]As well as the UK and the rest of Europe.
[ Reply | Options ]11.30.08, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Are DR.'s still circumcising little boys, besides in the Jewsih Community? Having a b... 24 replies
- my husband said they used to call boys that were not circumcised "hooded monsters"....
- over and over. DH's want it done to DS's -because it normalizes circumcision for the husband. It makes it "normal", -AS IF. Tell DH it is where...a urologist. I'm pretty sure he's a pediatric urologist and they do circumcisions anyway. Baby doesn't cry...
Talk : : July 05, 2008
Are DR.'s still circumcising little boys, besides in the Jewsih Community? Having a boy in August, I thought everyone still did this.
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.05.08, 04:44 PM [ Flag ]even if dr's are, have a mohel do it (if you have to do it at all). SO much more humane when a mohel does it and they'll do it for non-Jewish babies.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 04:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: why?
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]waiting some time after the birth, letting baby gain back some weight, letting baby metabolize bfing antibodies, baby is held by a parent during the procedure. It's just much much more humane.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dr. Eric Diamond is a doctor and a mohel. See if you can get him to do the circumcision. I think he'll do it even if it's not a Bris because he's a urologist. I'm pretty sure he's a pediatric urologist and they do circumcisions anyway. Baby doesn't cry... he uses anesthesia on the baby. He uses a cream that makes it so they don't feel anything. Mohels that aren't doctors can't use that. Only doctors can, so it's best to get a mohel that's also a doctor.
[ Reply | Options ]01.21.09, 04:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]dr emily blake is also a dr and a mohel. mymohel.com
[ Reply | Options ]01.21.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
parents decide. It's almost 50/50 now
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nope, around 50%
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not Jewish and our 3 boys are - as are most of my friends ds
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: my dh said it's being done, no if, ands or butts about it.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so- we are not and my UK Jewish friends are not
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dh said it was not going to be done, no if, ands or butts. so we didn't for either of our boys.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I figure ny husband can hae this major decision, because he is male and probably knows more about the subject than me. If it were a female thing, then I'd choose. I learned to pick my battles.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^I really don't want to put my son through that, but I guess we will.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dh was 100% sure he wanted to circ when I was first pg, but when I actually made him read about it, he totally changed his mind. Any informed person would (at least if they have no religious impetus)
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Any informed person would still need to consider his own personal preference: the data is decidedly mixed.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my husband has never researched anything in his life, lol. Yes, he has a penis - but I knew much more about circ than he did. We were lucky that we agreed, but just having a penis doesn't mean much.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 06:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]but being in a boys locker room might give him an idea...my husband said they used to call boys that were not circumcised "hooded monsters".
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 06:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]whatever. So archaic. These days a large percentage of boys are not circed, so they are not the tiny minority any longer.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dh said that anyone male interested in anothers penis is the locker room was considered gay.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]True enough, but it's naive to think no one notices. In my (small, private) high school, there was one uncircumcised boy and everyone knew who it was...sort of a weird thing to be famous for.
[ Reply | Options ]07.06.08, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I wouldn't let my husband have more of a vote than me about something that affects OUR newborn. Just because he has a dick and the baby does too, it makes his opinion all-powerful??
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well how do you compromise on that, it's very important to DH, it's not so much of an issue for me, people must decide what to do. You think I'm going to be fighting for this when it is not a major issue for me. All the poeple I know with boys have done it, DH wants it done, why would I argue it? If we were arguing over a C-Section vs Natural Birth, or something I truly had an issue with then it would be different.
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I see this over and over. DH's want it done to DS's -because it normalizes circumcision for the husband. It makes it "normal", -AS IF. Tell DH it is where 3/4 of a man's sexual pleasure lies, so you and he will be stripping your DS of that. -Just cause DH is happy with his sexual loss, is no reason to subject son to same. Besides it is painful traumatic and unnecessary. Tell DH to see a therapist if he has to. Have compassion for your son! Good luck!
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
there are only two votes, so You would have to win right?
[ Reply | Options ]07.05.08, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] To circumcise or not? What's the latest? 30 replies
- to F as well, as F to M. Male circumcision *might* (not been shown) prevent F to M..." up had two objectives 1) make routine infant circumcision (RIC) a custom in Africa, (normally it is...the practice to Africa also helps "normalize" Jewish circumcision, at least in some folk's minds. -Not...area smells horrible. some actually have to get circumcised at that age. a friend of mine worked at...had sex with a man who wasn't circumcised? i tried it once, not into it at...
Talk : : July 04, 2008
To circumcise or not? What's the latest?
30 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.04.08, 06:00 PM [ Flag ]The Human Right to bodily integrity should apply to all. Male, female rich or poor, it should make no difference.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The so called "african study" was halted early. That skews the data. The circed men couldn't have sex for weeks, is another way the data "lie". This is a country that has a dozen practices that are risks for HIV transmission M to F as well, as F to M. Male circumcision *might* (not been shown) prevent F to M transmission of HIV. The Folks who thought this "study" up had two objectives 1) make routine infant circumcision (RIC) a custom in Africa, (normally it is done at ~13) and 2) obtain the infant foreskins that would become available. -The rate has been dropping in US, which worries companies that use them to test cosmetics, make human growth factor, or for skin replacement. -Exporting the practice to Africa also helps "normalize" Jewish circumcision, at least in some folk's minds. -Not mine!
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]..."normalize" Jewish circumcision as a practice. They are loathe to see it as amputation of the end of the penis, or genital mutilation, which it most assuredly is. -I come from a half Jewish family, and yes the bastards did get my foreskin. -I would MUCH rather have had it all these years. It makes a huge difference is sexual pleasure and sensitivity.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 09:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what about appendectomy?
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 08:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, of course you should. it's the hygienic thing to do. otherwise, there's a good chance he'll have to get it done later in life - a lot more traumatizing.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and why would he ?
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lots more UTIs for men, higher risk for STDs etc. lots of GOOD reasons.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
please. you are not really expecting any good answers to this question from this forum? people here are strangely anti-circumcision. i think they believe they're anti-conformist or something. no clue, because their argument make very little sense. just go to some reputable sites and decide for yourself.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]both my OB and pediatrician admitted that they didn't like circumcision. this was after I made the choice not to of course since they want people to decide for themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think more people are anit on here because in general users of this site are more educated and wealthy.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 06:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]educated and wealthy do not necessarily go together!
[ Reply | Options ]09.25.08, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
why would you do that ? hygienic reasons do not hold in our society, if you teach the child how to wash himself. so what else ? do you know it is done only for religious reasons in Europe ?
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you have any idea what happens when men get older? i mean older - 60s/70s etc. water doesn't quite cut it - they get lots and lots of infections, scabs, and the genital area smells horrible. some actually have to get circumcised at that age. a friend of mine worked at a home for the elderly and was amazed at all the problems men with foreskin have.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]these are sick people who are not taken care of properly. come on, at 60 you still know how to wash yourself !
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita. that's a really lame excuse.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it seems lame to you now. we'll see how your son feels in 60 yrs.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
actually, it was a super exclusive home for the elderly and the care these people get is MUCH better than anything they would be doing on their own without help. so it's actually worse outside of the homes.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This is true. Mine and my husband's families are Southern European and never even thought of this as an issue until they asked me at the hospital if I wanted my babies circ'd. Everyone has always been uncut. I've been with both cut and uncut men, and I prefer the uncut. Much more pleasurable. (I'm sure skill was a factor too though.)
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
one question for you: have you ever had sex with a man who wasn't circumcised? i tried it once, not into it at all.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so now you ask before ??
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, chances are very slim i'll come across another un-cut male in my circle.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"And the role of slutty TA at Yeshiva University this semester is being played by..." np
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you're weird
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]poor women of all around the world where men are not circ. ... they dont know what they miss !!!
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yeah, 85% of the world's women don't know what they're missing!
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not missing much. just saving themselves some gross experiences especially if they like going down.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
don't do it! if your ds wants to later in life that's HIS choice but don't make it for him.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 06:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NOT, imo
[ Reply | Options ]09.25.08, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Definitely. I did not do it for religious reasons. I did it because it reduces the risk of HIV acquisition to the man (strong evidence for this).
[ Reply | Options ]09.25.08, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] my ds is 17 months and circumcised....how do you clean his penis when it gets irritat... 5 replies
- hi is or ISN'T circumcised?...
Talk : : July 04, 2008
my ds is 17 months and circumcised....how do you clean his penis when it gets irritated. do you pull the skin down or just leave it alone?
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]07.04.08, 05:19 PM [ Flag ]v
[ Reply | Options ]07.04.08, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you mean uncirc? If your child is circ there is no skin to pull down. If your child is uncirc, no - you do not retract the foreskin at 17 months.
[ Reply | Options ]07.04.08, 05:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You should have an uncircumcised Pediatrician, or a least a foreskin friendly one. Best advice in general, is "leave it alone." Foreskins do NOT retract in newborns or young children, typically. (I have a 9 year old who can't retract, and a 6 year old who probably can. They might be 16 or so before full retraction is safely possible.) If it is irritated due to a mild infection, you can rinse with a mild saltwater solution, then water to get the salt out! You can use a squeeze bulb etc. to squirt gently. 2X day. My 9 year old had a mild infection, some pus under his foreskin, this fixed it in 2 days or so.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 09:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Also, forcible retraction -usually by well intentioned adults- leads to tearing, scarring, adhesions and phimosis. Leaving it alone does not. The boy will likely sometimes pull his foreskin down (making the penis longer) and thus gently loosen the foreskin gradually and in stages. It DOES adhere to the glans for years, which protects the glans and the foreskin, keeps them moist and provides a barrier for infection, -like your mouth and nose do. Separating the two prematurely is a sure source of trouble and problems. Once he can retract by himself, a daily rise with plain water and a little rubbing are all that is needed to keep him clean. You can see your FF Ped. about the irritation, he should NOT have to retract to advise you. Hope this helped! Also use Google and Wikipedia on "Foreskin."
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 09:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
hi is or ISN'T circumcised?
[ Reply | Options ]07.04.08, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Does anyone have grandparents who 'think'they are being helpful by taking your kid o... 9 replies
- put the baby too bed, put your toddler to bed sans bath, and have a grateful attitude b/c my inlaws would submit to circumcision before they would take any of mine out for a few hours...
Talk : : June 30, 2008
Does anyone have grandparents who 'think'they are being helpful by taking your kid out to dinner, but actually they always bring him/her back too late, and it messes up bed/bath time and hence, your evening? My in-laws take my 3 yr old out late a lot and then expect to see the baby when they drop him off (i actually have to keep the baby up, even when her bedtime is 7:30). They are TOTALLY clueless, but they think it is their god-given right or something. I have told them in the past that my kids have certain bedtimes, but i but my MIL said 'rules are meant to be broken.' How would you approach this? tia.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.30.08, 10:53 AM [ Flag ]depends on frequency. once a month or so, i'd let it go. and you don't HAVE to keep the baby up. put her to bed at her usual time. if she's asleep when they return, tough titty. Where is your DH in this?
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would tell them that your routine is important for the kids wellbeing and if they want to see them for a few hours, they can come during the day etc. If they want to babysit for a weekend, they can let the kids stay up late if they want to because she does have a point. Grandparents should be allowed to spoil the kids and break rules. But not on a regular basis when it interferes with your life
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 10:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]would you feel this way if it were your parents, not your in laws? not being mean. just noticing that many women on here don't give their mil's an inch of slack.
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just put the baby to bed at the regular time and say "Oh, so sorry! Db was exhuasted so I just put him/her down. She has trouble making it past 7:30 these days -- maybe next time you can bring DC home earlier so you can spend some time with DB too?"
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]this and things like this are a regular occurence for me. I haven't figured out how to deal with it. repeated "talks" get me no where.
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Let them have fun with their grandchildren. My children have no grandparents able to spend t ime alone with them. Would rather be in your position
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 11:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I would put the baby to bed and let the 3yo go out and have fun with her g'parents, unless you're talking about something that is more than weekly.
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You sound like a control freak.
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]put the baby too bed, put your toddler to bed sans bath, and have a grateful attitude b/c my inlaws would submit to circumcision before they would take any of mine out for a few hours...or a few minutes. Girl, readjust your attitude
[ Reply | Options ]06.30.08, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Does anyone else think it is really f**ked up that NYC has a 40% c-section rate??? I ... 78 replies
- ^^ must be somewhere with serious female circumcision where the women can't really "deliver" a child...
Talk : : June 17, 2008
Does anyone else think it is really f**ked up that NYC has a 40% c-section rate??? I find this really shocking and I think it's awful that as a pg woman in NY you face such a huge likelihood of having an unnecessary cesarean.
78 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.17.08, 10:39 AM [ Flagged ]What I find interesting is that the lowest C section rate is at Bellevue Hospital --- You know, where all the poor people go to give birth? So basically if you're on Medicaid or have no insurance, they're going to let you labor, and labor, and labor, and they will avoid giving you a C section for as long as possible, even if you really want one.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:41 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: Partially true. Also true is that no one with a high risk pregnancy goes to Bellvue.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:43 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I think your idea of what happens is not reality. The old St. Vincent's Staten Island (now RUMC) has a very c-sxn rate and a very high population of Medicaid patients (approx. 10% of patients have insurance).
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:43 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I gave birth at St Vincent's as many of my friends did- Some of the most popular Drs are afflitated w/ that hospital- Schrippa, Herzog, MartinGano, You also have Dr Morretti, etc
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]and believe me we all have insurance.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I gave birth at St. Vincent's SI, my mom was a maternity ward nurse there for 10 years. The hospital went bankrupt b/c so few people paid bills. It's a shame what happened to that hospital. It had a hard time being sold b/c it was a charity hospital. Why do you think it's RUMC now? If St. V's patients paid their bills it will still be St. V's.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:14 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I understand that but I think the people having the c-sections were coming from the Drs I mentioned not the ones that go to the clinic there
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:21 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
NY Downtown has the lowest c/s rate, not Bellevue. And it also has a lot to do with the providers there having the philosophy that birth is a normal process and not a calamity waiting to happen.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np above: Love my OB, he's head of NY Downtown OB/GYN now. And he was so much more calm than my old OB at Cornell. Same high-risk circumstances, but without the constant anxiety and over-medicating, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:48 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
also moms giving birth there are much much younger than in other hospitals. i think it's really apples and oranges here
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:59 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Younger and maybe more likely to have had many DCs? Not sure what that would mean for the C rate though.
[ Reply | Options ]11.22.08, 10:42 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
they are unlikley to sue
[ Reply | Options ]11.22.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Some people would prefer a c
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:41 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]yeah. Morons.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:44 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: come on..some V-Bac's are dangerous and ppl don't want to tempt fate
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:57 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]this is just so sad and ignorant. They have really done a number on you, haven't they? you don't even know the stats.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:00 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]ITA. I've had 2 without my uterus expolding. stop the fearmongering.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:01 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]my dad's cousin has a child with permanent disabilities that are severe becaues she vbac'd at home. I would never risk it. She lives with the guilt every day.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 12:39 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]omg, STOP. STOP STOP STOP. This is so blatant and such bullshit. And btw--home is hands down the best place to vbac.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:13 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Not a moron and my C was practically a vacation. I had twins, one of which was breech, but frankly I was glad to be told that was the only option for me. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. No need to prove my macha. Then again, 40% is too high.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 07:48 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I had to have a c my uterus will explode and I will have problems carrying future baby. I have a ton of scar tissue.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:48 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]your uterus will explode?
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:50 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: I know you think she's exaggerating. But it's crazy the thing that can happen. I had a hematoma after my first delivery that ended up exploding my pelvic floor. Literally not enough muscle left in some areas for them to stitch it back together. They had to left it grow back together and then try to fix it again with later surgeries.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:53 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]For lack of a better term. I was at 1cm for 36 hours of laboring. They did some sort of test to check my utereus and my dr told me that if we kept on letting me labor my uturus could potentially "break" and i could have issues holding future pregnancy to term.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:54 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]your uterus can rupture...yes
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:57 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]^^rupture that is the work i was looking for. Gosh it has been a long day, my brian is toast.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:58 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
They aren't all unnecessary.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:43 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]So you think it's great that the rate is 25% higher than the WHO recommends for any industrialized nation?
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:43 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Nope, I think it is crappy. But you are acting like they are all unnecessary.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:44 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]No, she is not. She is just saying that it is absurd that the rate is 40%.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:40 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
When people are quick to sue when things go wrong it is in the interests of the Drs not to take chances therefore more cs
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:45 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]that's not evidence-based medicine. So while it might be understandable in terms of the doctors' malpractice insurance premiums, it's not ethical.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]but it's reality.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:48 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]if you had to pay the malpractice insurance for an OB - higher than ANY other specialty - you'd think about letting women labor when there could be possible complications too... When something tragic or unfortunate happens in labor - and they happen - people look to blame... who's there ? The OB
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:57 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
My gynecologist (specialist in urogynecology) has done work in Africa - very little access to C-sections or inductions and the stillbirth rate hovers around 75 to 80 %. Delve into the research and statistics more (for these NY stats you mention) before you get outraged. Are these primarily second or third children? We shouldn't or can't be judgmental without knowing more.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:48 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]75 to 80% of births are stillborn?
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:58 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]where the hell is that ?
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:02 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]In Africa and not sure if particular country. She told me this last week.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:04 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]never have heard anything like that...
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]^^ must be somewhere with serious female circumcision where the women can't really "deliver" a child
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
np: But that has probably more to do with no prenatal care than with c-sections.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Well, she was using it within that context. I can ask her to clarify. If poor prenatal care, then certainly they are high risk, therefore a C might really be warranted. She is experienced in her field.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:09 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I'm sure she is. I was just pointing out that, just like with our c-section rate here in NYC, a single statistic in a bubble doesn't tell a whole picture. Lots of things in play.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:10 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
shocking
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:09 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
that's bullshit -- totally not true. 50 percent of kids die before 5th birthday, but that's not about stillborn. bigger issue in most of africa is women who die in childbirth, not babies.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:33 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
there is absolutely no way that is true.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 07:44 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I think in NYC average age of pg women is higer, therefore higher risk. My ds is too big, my doctor let me push him out for 2 hours after 3 days of contractions but ds did not drop one degree. If c-section was not available to me I don't know what would've happened.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 10:51 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]no, you have to consider olde population and multiples. No stat stands alone
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:01 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]so true
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I have to say as an OB I always find it VERY entertaining to see what is said on this board. Many people answer with such certainty and nothing to back it up. The C/S rate in NY is high. No question. Reasons include MUCH higher risk population (hypertension, diabetes, no prenantal care, drug use, etc etc), a high rate of patient requested C/S (believe itor not), and yes sadly there are some MD's who are quicker to C/S than others for lots of reasons. BUT haveing worked at 4 different city hospitals I will say that for the most part MD's prefer their patients to deliver vaginally as long as it is the safest route for both mother and child.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:02 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Everyone would prefer a quick vaginal birth but C sections are much much more likely in this culture because doctors are worried about being sued. It sets up an environment where doctors induce early on, won't let a birth progress at the speed it needs to, encourage medical intervention, etc etc. Many many C-sections are simply the result of labor going on too long for everyone's liking .
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 12:19 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]thank goodness I had a midwife for both my births!
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 12:20 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]i think the more accurate statement should be "Thank God I had two normal births and was able to do it safely with a midwife. Thank God I didn't require the training and expertise of an MD and all that they can do to save the lives of babies and mothers."
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:16 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
the answer is malpractice... dad is an OB prof and is trained and comfortable delivering breech, for example. He is not really permitted to do it. It is a matter of malpractice...
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:03 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]and a matter of outcome..ask him..there was an small increase in the risk of CP in vagnal delivered breech in a big study...so now it is the official reccomendation of ACOG to offer C/S for breech.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:05 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I'm sure you are correct, but I would alo assume that there are "degress" with this as with anything. How is the breech presenting and all that... Ijust wanted to add that a lot of this is created by us... my father would rather not give a C-section to a woman who would rather not have one. In some instances his hands are tied by the system that has developed here...
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:07 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]this is true. sadly the legal system (and its abuse) has greatly shaped how ALL medicine is practices
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:09 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]it is truly unfortunate... and the medicine surrounding women's bodies and OUR choices are the ones most compromised
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:11 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
Totally agree. I had c-section with first b/c he was a footling breech. With 2nd, I also had c-section b/c doc said I would have to sign a VBAC waiver...And, also said c-section (vs. VBAC) was safest for the baby--implying that I would be selfish if i pursued the VBAC.
[ Reply | Options ]06.18.08, 09:16 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
As much as I like his politics, John Edwards shares a small part of the blame for this.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 11:09 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]yes he does.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:14 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]yes....an ambulance chaser.
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:38 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
why would that be f'd -- the national average is like 25% and women in ny are a littler older on average
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 12:37 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I did it on purpose. I have herpes, that was my excuse, but I was totally psyched to have a C and I'm glad I did. So there!
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:14 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Why would you make that choice? I'm just trying to understand your thinking here....
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:39 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Ummmmm... to keep DB from contcating herpes, maybe ?!
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:40 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
sometimes they are planned by women who don't want to bother w/ pushing
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 04:38 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]pushing is the problem??
[ Reply | Options ]06.17.08, 07:47 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
c's make more $$ for docs and hosps and are convenient for docs - can't miss that golf game. So what if it helps to drive up insurance costs for everyone else. Women go along bc they are brainwashed that birth is dangerous and they are scared of pain. Natural childbirth is a beautiful miracle that can't be fully comprehended until experienced. and doctors don't care about that aspect. ps - labored more more hours than you'd believe and worth every minute.
[ Reply | Options ]06.18.08, 08:54 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]Average maternal age is a lot higher as is number of high-risk pregnancies. I also think there are a lot more multiples.
[ Reply | Options ]06.18.08, 01:26 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]np: that's my understanding as well.
[ Reply | Options ]06.18.08, 01:40 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
There is NO way that a 40% C-section rate is completely medically indicated, high-risk population and all. Think about it - it can't be that close to half of NYC women can't birth vaginally. In 1970, the C-section rate in the U.S. was 5%. In early 1980s - 15%. Now the national average is about 1/3. Is it suddenly that our population needs more C-sections? No. It's a combo of malpractice insurance (what we need is more women suing for unwarranted Cs), and this widespread philosophy that birth must be "managed" (routine interventions such as continuous fetal monitoring have contributed greatly to the increased C/S rate, but did not decrease infant mortality or cerebral palsy rates!). Only about 10% of this country's births are attended by midwives, who are the real experts on normal birth (physicians are trained to deal with complicated pregnancies and to do surgeries). If you look at countries where midwives are the primary obstetric care providers, the C/S rates are much lower (and their maternal/infant mortality rates are better than ours). Also, if you look at the stats, repeat C/S only account for about 1/3 of the nation's total C/S rate. Maternal request and higher risk women account for a minimal part of our nation's 30% C/S rate. Inductions, arbitrary limits on labor, immobilized labor, flat-on-the-back pushing, restricted VBACs, and getting home at a decent hour have all contributed to our city's high C/S rate (did you know that most C/S happen at around 4pm, before close of the business day, and 11pm, when midnight is just around the corner?).
[ Reply | Options ]08.02.08, 09:13 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]But women who get c/s believe that in there case it was really warranted, but c/s should happen less often. They are not ready to admit that maybe their doctor pushed a c/s on them when they didn't need it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.08, 07:23 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
I was thrilled with my c section experience (after many, many hours of pushing; they let me go longer than they normally would) and will have one for the next kids. I was in a high risk practice and they did everything they could to avoid it.
[ Reply | Options ]08.03.08, 06:40 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]High rates of c-section in NYC due to higher percentage of educated, intelligent women who are well-informed of the hazards of vaginal delivery. These are women who spend a good deal of money and time on self-maintenence - why would they let their lady parts and pooper go to pot by pushing a baby out their vaginas when the whole mess can easily be avoided with a scheduled c section?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.08, 07:16 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]because bad things can happen with c-sections too.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.08, 07:24 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]much less often than with vaginal deliveries. Sure, you may battle infection, popped stitches, longer hospital stay with a Caesar...but any sane woman would take those over a loose vagina, inability to keep a tampon in place, incontinence, and stretched out labia.
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.08, 08:36 PM [ Flagged | link to this post ]I don't have any of those problems from my vaginal birth.
[ Reply | Options ]11.22.08, 10:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
[+] okay, possibly a dumb question, my ds' penis seems to be disapearing. he is 6 weeks o... 7 replies
- my ds is circumcised and yet has had what looks like an "inny" for most of his 9 months. Multiple pediatricians (i changed docs a few months ago) said its just the fat pad and should resolve sooner or later, no worries...
Talk : : June 12, 2008
okay, possibly a dumb question, my ds' penis seems to be disapearing. he is 6 weeks old. is it shrinking in because he is getting so fat? this is my theory, but i want to make sure it isn't something wrong!
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.12.08, 01:47 PM [ Flag ]Normal
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^my ds' penis disappeared when he went in a baby pool at 5 mos
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
It could be that the fat pad in that area is getting bigger. It is possible that there might be another cause though so check with ped during next visit.
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i will bu ti think it is th fat pad.
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 01:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It probably is. GL
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
my ds is circumcised and yet has had what looks like an "inny" for most of his 9 months. Multiple pediatricians (i changed docs a few months ago) said its just the fat pad and should resolve sooner or later, no worries...
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 01:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My son required surgery at 6mo to correct a curvature which I couldn't even see. This was spotted by a ped urologist not by the regular ped. He gained length following the surgery but I can't recall if his ever shrank prior to the surgery.
[ Reply | Options ]06.12.08, 02:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] moms of circumcised ds's whose dh's are also circed - does your ds's penis look "the ... 14 replies
Talk : : June 11, 2008
moms of circumcised ds's whose dh's are also circed - does your ds's penis look "the same" as dh's? my dh thinks the mohel didnt take off enough. It looks fine to me - anyone have a similar experience?
14 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.11.08, 09:09 AM [ Flag ]my dh is insecure about his own penis size
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]My DH thought something was wrong with DS's circ soon after we took him home, I told him to stop being silly, an adult penis can't be compared to an infant one. Turns out he was right - OB did a bad job, ped noticed it at our 1-month checkup and DS had to be re-circed at 1 year old.
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ BUT in most cases, it just looks like babies have a little more of a turtleneck because they have a fat pad above their penis that tucks the penis in a bit. They grow out of it later.
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: thanks
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's dangerous to ask about this here. When we were going through it, someone here posted that's what you get when you mutilate your child. Sigh.
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I took my chances. thanks for your help
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what was actually wrong? my ped has checked it at every checkup and ds is now 7 mo. he always says it looks fine
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Next to nothing was taken off the underside, so DS kept getting adhesions no matter how often we pulled it back. We tried to wait as long as possible, hoping it would get better. But DS started pulling at it himself, I think because it bothered him. He didn't complain at all after the re-circ (I was afraid it would be traumatic for him).
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'll make sure to look closely at the next Penis Check in our house.
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]its a serious question - dh is talking about having it redone. you are rude
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
have you had your ds seen by a ped. urologist?
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]dh's penis smaller
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]a circ'ed dh with one of each. (Two sons, one is one is not circ'ed.) My circ'ed son and I look similar but he was circ'ed late. Dr Glassberg at Columbia did the circ at 1yo.
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]how old is he? my boys were so chubby that when they were babies you couldn't really see their circs much, but now at 2 and 4, they are thinner and have more *normal* circ-ed looking penises
[ Reply | Options ]06.11.08, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] anyone's baby experience adhesion due to incomplete circumcision? we've tried a stero...
Talk : : June 05, 2008
anyone's baby experience adhesion due to incomplete circumcision? we've tried a steroid cream with our 17 m.o. but now we're going to see a urologist. so worried that we will have to get another procedure. i hear that he will have to get general anesthesia. ugh. if you have any experience you can share i'd greatly appreciate it!
[ Reply | Watch | Options ]06.05.08, 11:21 AM [ Flag ]
[+] ok - who is here? Where are you, no of kids, controversial belief? 65 replies
- CT, 2 kids, circumcision is nearly always wrong...
Talk : : May 31, 2008
ok - who is here? Where are you, no of kids, controversial belief?
65 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.31.08, 05:20 AM [ Flag ]NYC, 3, BFing is best always
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nyc, 2, don't get the big deal about abortion
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you mean abortion rights? why they're necessary?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, i mean the whole pro life movement. who cares if someone gets an abortion? don't want one, don't get one.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank goodness, you scared me :)
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Brooklyn, 2, communist
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]awesome!
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]so you are voting for Obama?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, but that is more in spite of my political beliefs rather than because of them.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]he's is basically socialistic so I'd think you would agree with much of what he ways
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^says
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nnp: not so
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: LOL is is far from that.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 06:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ditto, but only one dc...more socialist than communist, though
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Communism didn't really work out for China. I think Mao killed more than Stalin and Hitler combined
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 02:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
nyc, 1 dd, tv is fine
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Short hills, 3 kids, i dont havea problem with ff and I didnt breastfeed any of my 3. Not so controversial in my real life but on ub.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hi first OR! Sounds liek we'd be BEST friend irl, right? :)
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL! probably so
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
nyc burb, 2 dcs, rep
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 05:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]like, still?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NYC, 1 dc, it's irresponsible to have a large family (biologically)
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Boston, same and same
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
2 dc, repub, think adoption is a very good alternative to abortion
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Chicago, 3, think adoption has significant ethical problems (and can be done ethically, but rarely is).
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what type of ethical probs?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]International adoption is fraught with corruption, fraud, child trafficking, and outright kidnapping. The organization Ethica is now publicizing the horrendous cases they're trying to address - which are very common. For example, mothers are frequently told by in-country orphanage directors that they will have their children returned to them in a few months when they get back on their feet; when the mothers go back to the orphanage to get their children in a couple of months, they find that the children have been adopted. Many of these women are illiterate and have no idea what they're signing, and are lied to about the documents content. I could go on and on about international adoption - many children are simply taken off the street. Moreover, I think it's unethical to essentially adopt away a poorer country's children. In terms of domestic, many birth mothers agree to place their children only in an open adoption, where they retain contact. After the adoption, they find that they have no legal recourse to enforce the "openness" to which the adoptive parents agreed, and the adoptive parents close the adoption. I'm going to stop now, because this is getting too long, but I have significant concerns about domestic adoption as well.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sounds like a fertile person to me. Nice to be you.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
adoptive mom here - you are nuts
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]she's not nuts... that stuff does happen, but I would guess it's a minority of cases... real nonetheless...
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hundreds of thousands of DOCUMENTED cases vs. your opinion? I'll take reality and fact. Why do you think the U.S. gov't SHUT DOWN adoptions from Guatamala, Vietnam, & other countries? Because of documented violations of children's human rights. And while I think many adoptive parents are wonderful people who are trying hard to do the right thing, I have a very low opinion of people like you, who seem to think that you should be granted a halo and applauded for taking other people's children.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]cool off cha-cha...it's a chat room...
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Spoken like someone who's conceding that she's been out-argued. Well, at least you're honest.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: who said anything about a halo? I agree, you're nuts. There's probably a million above-board adoptions to the few questionable ones.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you act as if the entirety of adoption is international adoption. there's domestic adoption as well as the foster-to-adopt program here. get off your horse long enough to see what's going on.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 02:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not looking for a halo. I wanted children. I didn't consider it a rescue mission. The fact that you assumed so speaks volumes (negatively) about your mindset. Off with you.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
greenwich, 4 kids, believe that all people are essentially "good"
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NYC, one child, hmmmm... I religioius (Christian), pro choice, anti death penalty, hardly ever watch tv, think children should have a childhood not flashcards/hours of homework.... the list goes on and on :)
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NYC; 2 kids; believe abortion is a killing of a life, but not sure I would support illegalizing it, but don't understand how many don't want to recognize that the baby isn't a blob of cells as most abortions happen after 7 weeks.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I applaud that you oppose abortion as an individual, but aren't screaming for it to be illegal. I am pro-choice and find your appreciation for the gray area refreshing.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR- I really wrestle with it. So complex. So horrifying. So saddened that with all the contraception choices available, abortion is so prevalent.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, the science is not gray
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
brooklyn, 1, 1 on the way, anti-immigration.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]why?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
brooklyn, 1, i think private schools are a waste. it's all about the parental involvement.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^in response to the brooklyn poster above me, i'm pro-immigration
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
CT, 2 kids, circumcision is nearly always wrong
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]GA, 2 kids, think monogamy isn't natural, but I'm drinking the Koolade because it works for our society and our kids
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oops, replied in the wrong place
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Am Jewish, agree, did not circ our sons.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Upstate NY, 3, plenty: I have no problem with gay marriage, completely understand illegal immigration and would likely do it myself if I had the misfortune of trying to raise a family on $5 a day, I would never in a million years be friends with a Republican but most members of my family are staunch GOPers and I love them dearly.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are fantastic !
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]can you fix the GOPers ?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I wish. My mom voted for W twice!! An otherwise wonderful woman. I just don't get it. It sort of speaks to the image problems the Dems have given they are good, tolerant people IRL but just don't feel like the Dems speak to them
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't remember it having any political overtones (though I may have missed them since I was 7-8 when it was popular). It couldn't have been too political since we listened to it in public school. The woman is a freak!
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^oops, meant for the Free to be thread...
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Boston suburb two kids. HATE OBAMA . Would vote for Hilary.I think private schools are a status symbol. Think most people do not wish each other well . Everyone wants to be the winner in some imaginary race of whose husband, house, kids are better.Religion is some made up bullshit that every body fights over and kills in the name of.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Park Slope. Two dc. Think adoption is full of more evil than good and this is coming from an adoptee.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you have a good relationship with your adoptive parents?
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NJ, 2 dds, agree that overly large families (4+) is selfish/irresponsible, dc in strollers over 3 is pathetic/lazy
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well you live in nj. If you lived in nyc and walked 3 miles a day quickly I doubt you would have your 3 yo walk
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NYC, 3, I think that all politically conservative people are insecure, stupid and not worth getting to know. And I think that living in the suburbs just isn't living.
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 12:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm in NYC's forgotten borough, 1 child, I'm into mediumship
[ Reply | Options ]05.31.08, 02:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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Do you believe in circumcision for newborn boys?
18 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.30.08, 06:58 PM [ Flag ]fasten your seatbelts.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 06:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yep
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 06:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, less infection risk long-term, lower incidence of STDs
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 06:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's not really a "belief." It's a personal choice.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's like the tooth fairy...
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What would DB have got if he left his foreskin under his pillow?
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, because i believe in it for adults
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I don't.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not medically necessary. painful for DB.
[ Reply | Options ]05.30.08, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If it is medically necessary. Since that is almost never the case I am against as a routine procedure. Certainly the patient doesn't have a say. However if the parents elect to have a similar body parts removed from themselves, under the same conditions, and do it prior to their son's circ'ing, then i'd think about it. I'd probably still be against it, even so. -Lack of informed consent is still a major sticking point for me.
[ Reply | Options ]09.23.08, 09:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No. My DH didn
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]what on earth? is this a troll posting all these circ posts? please stop.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm figuring some preg mom (dad?) heard about UB and searched on circ and doesn't realize that we let threads die and start new ones...
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, i do.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:55 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]no
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 05:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not since I found out that circ became popular in America in the 1950s as a way to control masturbation. So unless for religious reasons, no way would I buy into this.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 06:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I dated all men who were, my husband is not. Circumsion is a barberic ritual. There is no medical reason to support it, it can cause problems, it doesn't cure anything. It can cause the penis to be angled when erect if not done right. If you maintain the most basic minimal level of hygenie, there are no health problems with an uncircumsized penis.
[ Reply | Options ]09.24.08, 06:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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you gotta wait like 2 weeks before he shoots out all his rounds right?
[ Reply | Options ]05.22.08, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: 6 months before you can go without other BC.
[ Reply | Options ]05.22.08, 02:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
adult circumcision?
[ Reply | Options ]05.22.08, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's really the best. Our sex life is so much better after the vasectomy.
[ Reply | Options ]05.22.08, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: how come?
[ Reply | Options ]05.22.08, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^pun unintended lol!
[ Reply | Options ]05.22.08, 02:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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[+] Too much skin left after circumcision? My mom thinks ds's penis has too much skin on ... 3 replies
Talk : : May 17, 2008
Too much skin left after circumcision? My mom thinks ds's penis has too much skin on it... this after showing her and explaining about ahesions, which ds had and we just "fixed" manualy (ugh--I hate it)... she said my brothers' penises never looked like tthat. it's true there's a lot of extra skin on the shaft.... is this b/c ob/gyn didn't take enough? is this happening a lot lately? Anyone else btdt?? I
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.17.08, 08:36 PM [ Flag ]same thing happened to db but only on one side (uneven, obviously). we had a m.d. mohel do it too. ugh. several peds have assured me ds will grow into it and it will be fine. what did ped saay?
[ Reply | Options ]05.17.08, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]happened to our ds also. ped says as the penis grows the skin will tighten up and will look more regular. took ds to urologist for 2nd opinion, and he agreed and said they wouldn't touch it.
[ Reply | Options ]05.17.08, 09:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]df is a urologist and calls it the Friar Tuck look.
[ Reply | Options ]05.17.08, 09:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I have a feeling there will be no ivy league school wars on ub anymore...all those mo... 15 replies
- circumcision - let's have a flame war on that one....
Talk : : May 15, 2008
I have a feeling there will be no ivy league school wars on ub anymore...all those mom's left and were replaced by rubes.
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.15.08, 02:47 PM [ Flag ]I was thinking the opposite. I think the Rubes left. I get the impression YB is troll central.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what is YB?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the other ub.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, it's fun over there
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]fun. but not smart.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's smart, but still quiet
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ub hasn't been smart in ages.
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bullshit.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]just an opinion.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you're just jealous you can't get on
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She totally is!
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i'm still here. what do you want to fight about :)
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh, i don't know...not the mental health of jennifer aniston though
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol. and yale sux
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
circumcision - let's have a flame war on that one.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 02:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] anybody on that have experience with a ds that had to be circumcised when teenager? w... 12 replies
Talk : : May 15, 2008
anybody on that have experience with a ds that had to be circumcised when teenager? was the healing process a long one, did the doctors put him to sleep or just numb area? tia
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]05.15.08, 01:19 PM [ Flag ]no but my 30 y.o. dh may be experiencing this soon. currently getting screened for penile cancer. it's a nightmare.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh - and from what we understand it is done under full anesthesia
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How is DH taking it?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think the general rule is the older they get, they put them out...for any surgery.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oy, very sorry for whoever has to go through this.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP, my 13yrs old ds.....he's not worried(yet), I am:(
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or-curious...why did you not have it done at birth?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my friend's ds had it at 2 and was put under. actually 2 friends ds's.
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's wrong with him?
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sorry, stepped away for a while, pain during urination and foreskin, is not retracting so can't clean properly
[ Reply | Options ]05.15.08, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]At 2 years old? You were retracting? This is exactly what you should not do. Forcible retraction causes phimosis, adhesions and scarring. -Get yourself informed! I have two sons 6 and 9, both intact, the 9 year old can't retract, the 6 year old can. It varies with the individual. Diagnosing inability to retract, or phimosis in somebody less than 14 is malpractice. Some take even longer, 16, 18 or 19 years old. It has to do with hormones development. Also, you don't need to clean under it. The glans is bonded to the foreskin to protect both of them. Best advice: "Leave it alone."
[ Reply | Options ]09.22.08, 10:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Forcible early retraction causes adhesions and phimosis, get informed! My own brother (a GP) gave me this incorrect advice. Diagnosing Phimosis in someone less than 16 or so is malpractice! The glans is bonded to the foreskin to protect them both. Best advice: --Leave it alone!-- My intact boys are 6 and 9: The older can't retract yet, the younger one can. They vary. It may happen as late as 18-19, it is hormones and development.
[ Reply | Options ]09.22.08, 10:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] anyone have a ds that had to be circumcised when they got older( 13yrs old).how do th...
Talk : : May 15, 2008
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