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Video: Breaking down the 'keep your politics out of my games' mentality
October 15, 2013 | By Mike Rose

October 15, 2013 | By Mike Rose
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This video from Errant Signal breaks down the "keep your politics out of my games" mentality of some players in a well-organized, easy-to-digest manner, and is well worth watching.

Errant Signal's Chris Franklin discusses how "gamer" culture has deemed politics out of place in video games, and how many are quick to dismiss those who attempt to delve deeper into a game's political value.

Game examples include BioShock Infinite, GTA V and Civilization V. The full transcript of the video can be found over on the Errant Signal blog.


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John Trauger
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People don't generally like being preached at, be the subject politics or religion.

Despite rumors to the contrary, gamers are people. :)

Kyle Redd
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Alfa Etizado
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If any conversation is deemed preaching then I think people just refuse to have conversations. Can't pick and choose which things to talk about.

Daniel Capellan
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People generally also love being preached at...churches would be empty if they didn't ;).

Hence I've moved away from using preachy as a pejorative, almost everyone love a good sermon...when they agree with it. So I prefer to skip the accusation of preachy and cut to the chase and say this is why I disagree your sermon.

Jason Bentley
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People love to be told that other people agree with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Dane MacMahon
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I think there's a wide area between political messages (or social messages) and being hit over the head with a tire iron preached at by someone who thinks their opinion is OBVIOUSLY morally correct. The latter happens far too much in all media, games included. It also happens in the gaming media an awful lot.

Brenton Haerr
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This. I'm neither a democrat or a republican, but it is becoming increasingly hard to find a games website that doesn't try to drown me with its political agenda. Gamasutra isn't quite there yet, fortunately.

John Trauger
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Agreed. There's a place for expressing an opinion or two. It's the in-your-face quality that is the issue.

This video itself is an example of the very sort of preachiness that is so off-putting. It demands that its own point of view is the one true right-think and we must conform to it or be judged and condemned as hypocrites.

There's a number of errors this video makes as it tries too hard to paint me into an ideological corner. here's two.

Aggregation: "Games" are treated as a single common thing. That's like making generalizations about "restaurants" using Micky-D's or Chez Fru-Fru as your representative case depending on which best fits the argument. By this logic Tetris is guilty of GTA 5's sins.

Games must be judged on political content to be considered art. Excuse me? Politics = art? The video is asserting that all criticism is equally valid, so opening the door to artistic criticism requires equal respect to be given to political criticism. To which my reply is "why?"

Hey, if someone wants to go on a politics-heavy riff over a game or games, they can knock themselves out. It's still a free country.

What I reject is the demand that "games" must conform to their ideas. "Why not a female lead?" is very different to "You must have a female lead." I heartily endorse the first message, reject the second, even if it's dressed up as the first.

Justin Speer
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"Hey, if someone wants to go on a politics-heavy riff over a game or games, they can knock themselves out. It's still a free country."

It looks to me like this guy is saying that it's silly to lump all games together as "just games, no politics here" and you're saying that it's silly to lump all games together as "all games are loaded with political meaning." Maybe you have more in common with this guy than you thought?

I think it's fair to say that what we know as games do share some kind of basic form, but acknowledging that doesn't mean you can't discuss each example for what it is. Saying that a square is always a rectangle doesn't imply that you think a rectangle is always a square.

I do agree with you completely that people get annoying when they get preachy, though.

John Trauger
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/10/16/no-country-for-old-p
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Arman Matevosyan
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It seems to me that gamers get upset when Bioshock Infinite or GTA V have their review scores docked because the political messages they send don't conform with the politically correct beliefs of the reviewer. For example, Gamespot outright lowered GTA V's review score for being 'politically muddled' and 'misogynistic.' The "keep your politics out of my game" mentality seems to focus on that. In other words, don't dock a video game because you don't agree with the political messages it sends.

Arman Matevosyan
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We can see this notion with Civilization too. As this video points out, that series glorifies "American" notions of society. Should a reviewer give the game a low score because they dislike the American identity?

Daniel Capellan
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If that is their honest opinion...yes.* I really don't see the problem here. Review are a subjective opinion about subjective art. Suggesting a review can't be based on a game's political message is saying their is a right and wrong way to hold a subjective opinion about subjective art. The only thing I expect from a review is a well articulated opinion; if a game's politics ruined it for you, articulate it, if it made you enjoy it more articulate it, if you don't think it was important enough to mention, don't. That much of mainstream gaming media is trying to be "objective" in reviews is the very reason I don't trust much of mainstream gaming media reviews.

* Actually I dislike the use of "scores" so I would actually prefer a review with no score and just an articulation of their opinion.

Arman Matevosyan
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More power to you. At the end of the day there isn't necessarily a correct way to review games. I just think that approach is often not conducive because reviewers that take that route open themselves to heated and often justified responses from fans. If you're going to base a review score on your political beliefs, why can't people respond by saying "keep your politics out of my games?"


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