Posted on Thursday 21st Feb 2013 at 2:39 AM UTC

Full specs: PS4, DualShock 4, PlayStation 4 Eye

All the nitty gritty on Sony's latest kit

Sony has officially released detailed hardware specifications for the PlayStation 4, the DualShock 4 and the PlayStation 4 Eye.

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The PS4 was revealed at Wednesday's PlayStation Meeting event in New York, where Sony Computer Entertainment boss Andrew House called it Sony's "most powerful platform ever".

The platform holder ended its presentation by confirming a PS4 release date of holiday 2013.

Have a look at the full PS4 hardware specs below:

PlayStation 4 Screenshot

PlayStation 4

Main Processor

  • Single-chip custom processor
  • CPU : x86-64 AMD "Jaguar", 8 cores
  • GPU : 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon based graphics engine
Memory
  • GDDR5 8GB
Hard Disk Drive
  • Built-in
Optical Drive (read only)
  • BD 6xCAV
  • DVD 8xCAV
I/O
  • Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0), AUX
Communication
  • Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
  • IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
  • Bluetooth 2.1 (EDR)
AV output
  • HDMI
  • Analog-AV out
  • Digital Output (optical)
*Specifications are subject to change without notice.

PlayStation 4 Screenshot

Wireless Controller for PlayStation 4 (DUALSHOCK 4)

External Dimensions

  • Approx. 162mm x 52mm x 98mm (width x height x depth) (tentative, excludes largest projection)
Weight
  • Approx. 210g (tentative)
Keys / Switches
  • PS button, SHARE button, OPTIONS button
  • Directional buttons (Up / Down / Left / Right)
  • Action buttons (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square)
  • R1 / L1 / R2 / L2 button, Left stick / L3 button, Right stick / R3 button, Pad Button
Touch Pad
  • 2 Point Touch Pad, Click Mechanism, Capacitive Type
Motion Sensor
  • Six-axis motion sensing system (three-axis gyroscope, threeaxis accelerometer)
Other Features
  • Light Bar, Vibration, Built-in Mono Speaker
Ports
  • USB (Micro B), Extention Port, Stereo Headset Jack
Wireless Communication
  • Bluetooth Ver2.1+EDR
Battery
  • Type: Built-in Lithium-ion Rechargeable Battery
  • Voltage: DC3.7V (tentative)
  • Capacity: 1000mAh (tentative)
*Specifications are subject to change without notice.

PlayStation 4 Screenshot

PlayStation 4 Eye

External Dimension

  • Approx. 186mm x 27mm x 27mm (width x height x depth) (tentative)
Weight
  • Approx. 183g (tentative)
Video Pixel
  • (Maximum) 1280 x 800 pixel x 2
Video Frame Rate
  • 1280x800 pixel @ 60fps
  • 640x400 pixel @ 120fps
  • 320x192 pixel @ 240fps
Video Format
  • RAW, YUV (uncompressed)
Lens
  • Dual Lenses, F value/F2.0 fixed focus
Capture Range
  • 30cm~∞
Field-of-View
  • 85°
Microphone
  • 4 Channel Microphone Array
Connection Type
  • PS4 dedicated connector (AUX connector)
Cable Length
  • Approx. 2m (tentative)
*Specifications are subject to change without notice
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80 comments so far...

  1. Windowlicker79 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Where did all these specs come from? I heard nothing mentioned in the video stream about blu-ray drives.
    Did Sony send out an official press release with all these specs on it?

  2. SameOldSteve on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Seems the only thing to know now is what the damn thing looks like! :|

  3. Don Diablo on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Where did all these specs come from? I heard nothing mentioned in the video stream about blu-ray drives.
    Did Sony send out an official press release with all these specs on it?

    Yup! Get your peepers around this:

    http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130221a_e.pdf

    There's some curious developer omissions at the bottom though...

  4. The Bossman on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D

  5. Cogglesz on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D


    Ram isn't one of the most important things i'd say, i've personally never had any pc game use over 4gb yet and thats the only reason i really state this, of course its important but theres not yet anything that really goes to use all that ram, which is great as we don't want it bottlenecking out early in its life when the next gen arrives and will more than likely take up a good load more ram but what grabs my attention though is the DDR5 GPU, thats like top notch pc tech right there, its a bit more complicated to work out the speeds and the power but i'd expect it to only be a little bit weaker than its pc counterparts, i'm sure over the past 7 years heat management is alot easier to deal with thus allowing much higher specs than alot of people were expecting (well me anyway) and its going into a console along with a pretty damn strong processor fingers crossed there wont be any lag spikes, screen tearing or underscaling in the games, with this level of power its a pretty safe bet to say this is going to be an epic console.

  6. IAmTheWalrus on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D

    More!? Do you have any clue about RAM!? It has 8 GB of GDDR5! RAM .... GDDR 5 .... the newly released GTX Titan has 6GB of GDDR5. This is enough and then some. Sony dun future proofed. :mrgreen:

  7. mattparker91 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Specs? You call these specs??? No processor clock speed, no GPU clock speed or video memory size, no hard drive size, no hard drive speed, no optical drive speed... All aboard the hype train! Sort it out CVG! All this is is an attempt to get more site traffic. That 8gb of RAM isn't video memory!

  8. ianson on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D


    Ram isn't one of the most important things i'd say, i've personally never had any pc game use over 4gb yet and thats the only reason i really state this, of course its important but theres not yet anything that really goes to use all that ram, which is great as we don't want it bottlenecking out early in its life when the next gen arrives and will more than likely take up a good load more ram but what grabs my attention though is the DDR5 GPU, thats like top notch pc tech right there, its a bit more complicated to work out the speeds and the power but i'd expect it to only be a little bit weaker than its pc counterparts, i'm sure over the past 7 years heat management is alot easier to deal with thus allowing much higher specs than alot of people were expecting (well me anyway) and its going into a console along with a pretty damn strong processor fingers crossed there wont be any lag spikes, screen tearing or underscaling in the games, with this level of power its a pretty safe bet to say this is going to be an epic console.


    RAM is essily the most important thing in this gen of consoles. A because disc media is till used and the bottle neck for reading from a disc is much higher than from HDD so getting it into memory preemptively is important. Why do PC gamers pretend they have a clue just because they bought their own parts?

  9. shogunreaper on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D

    No it wouldn't have been good to have more, it would drive up the price.

    imo 8gb seems a bit much considering what developers do with 256-500gb now.

  10. mattparker91 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Full specs my backside.

  11. mattparker91 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    And where was Kaz??? :/

  12. ianson on 21 Feb '13 said:

    The difference in texture quality and the presence of texture pop on consoles vs pc is primarily a ram issue not a gpu issue. RAM is typically important...

    Reading from bluray on ps3 is really really really slow. Most games put textures on the disc more than once to improve look up times. The bluray speed and ram volume are going to be really important. Also it will take a fair amount to record 15 minutes of gameplay constantly...

  13. martinawatson on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Full specs my backside.

    Two cheeks, pink , spot on left cheek, bit flabby :lol:

  14. hidetoltakarai on 21 Feb '13 said:

    noob question here
    is it gddr5 better than their xdr on ps3?

  15. mattparker91 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Full specs my backside.

    Two cheeks, pink , spot on left cheek, bit flabby :lol:

    You are correct sir! ;D

  16. 1Nightmare1 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I think one of the important factors is that the processor will have x86 instruction set architecture. This will make it a lot easier for developers to push the software to the limit (make it easier for them to write code), part of the reason why PS3 cell didn't do so well.

  17. HelloLadies on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Thank f**k they decided to go with 8 gig of memory and DDR5 as well. Console architecture and OS obviously being different to PC makes this point less relevant but I know several games I have almost push past 4gb of ram now. The extra 4 means the console shouldn't bottle neck at the memory during its lifespan. Would be nice to get some more specific details on the graphics cards video memory and clock speeds as well as the CPU. Not wanting to get to far on to the hype train yet but it looks like a promising machine. Heres hoping it sells well and helps pull Sony back into the black. Will be very interesting to see what Microsoft offer up and how they do it in response to this.

  18. MPH on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D

    No it wouldn't have been good to have more, it would drive up the price.

    imo 8gb seems a bit much considering what developers do with 256-500gb now.

    Say what, sunshine? :wink:

  19. trooper81 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I wasnt exited before this as i hardly play my PS3 but Microsoft will need to put a good show to pull me over im so tempted to get a PS4 over nextbox the waiting game begins and cost!

  20. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

  21. cecemf on 21 Feb '13 said:

    No Bluetooth 4.0 (for better battery life then 2.1), No Wifi AC ?! if the PS4 will have to to last 7 years like the PS3 then those 2 is a must minimum

  22. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D

    No it wouldn't have been good to have more, it would drive up the price.

    imo 8gb seems a bit much considering what developers do with 256-500gb now.

    Assuming he meant mb, I still disagree. Yes, developers are doing wonderful things with the current limited memory allocations, but an exponential increase opens so many doors! Using textures with double (or quadruple) the resolution will not just be possible, but will be the norm. And thinking outside the box of improving games, it will also allow multiple applications to be open at the same time; imagine you're in the middle of your new favourite game, then you remember that there's something you need to check out in the web browser, and while you're at it you want to share some screenshots you took earlier... PC functionality here we come!

  23. Old Skool Gamer on 21 Feb '13 said:

    No Bluetooth 4.0 (for better battery life then 2.1), No Wifi AC ?! if the PS4 will have to to last 7 years like the PS3 then those 2 is a must minimum

    I'm surprised that AC is not included, that will be the norm in the next few years once we all upgrade our routers.

    The machine sounds very impressive indeed, 8GB GDDR RAM is great, an increase from 4GB as rumoured.

    Come on Sony, what is the price tag?

  24. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...


    Are you really going to go there??

  25. El Mag on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Well.....that's a lot of numbers I don't understand.

    The only thing I'm bothered about is will it actually work alright with my poxy Virgin superhub, because new things tend to not unless you mess about with its settings!

  26. FlacidDonkeyGuy on 21 Feb '13 said:


    RAM is essily the most important thing in this gen of consoles. A because disc media is till used and the bottle neck for reading from a disc is much higher than from HDD so getting it into memory preemptively is important. Why do PC gamers pretend they have a clue just because they bought their own parts?

    True, it is slower to address to Ram from optical media, however without knowing the size of the HDD this may not (hopefully) hold true. As for the systems ommph a HD 7970 is around 4 TFLOPS and has faster GDDR5 so Cogglesz "a little bit weaker" is off to say the least. Never mind that the processor a budget low power offering and is a bottleneck in it's self, coupled with optical media hogging the Ram, if that ends up to be the case. All of a sudden it don't quite look so rosy on the hardware front. I was hoping the bump up in Ram was for 4k support oh well.......

  27. Get Over Here on 21 Feb '13 said:


    RAM is essily the most important thing in this gen of consoles. A because disc media is till used and the bottle neck for reading from a disc is much higher than from HDD so getting it into memory preemptively is important. Why do PC gamers pretend they have a clue just because they bought their own parts?

    8GB of GDDR5 memory is just...overkill. Wow I couldn't believe what I was hearing when he said that on stage last night, and then I was convinced it would be the same slower memory as whats rumoured in the 720 - DDR2.

    INCREDIBLE things will be possible with this unified pool of superfast memory because the bandwidth is huge - 176gb/s, so textures and image quality could be spectacular

  28. ChrisIW on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

    prick :roll:

  29. KK-Headcharge78 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

    And your point been?

  30. pherik on 21 Feb '13 said:

    No Bluetooth 4.0 (for better battery life then 2.1), No Wifi AC ?! if the PS4 will have to to last 7 years like the PS3 then those 2 is a must minimum

    I'm surprised that AC is not included, that will be the norm in the next few years once we all upgrade our routers.

    I'm sure there will be an Assassins Creed out for it by Christmas ;)

    However, I'm sure there will be things like Wifi that could be changed by release, remember that the originally announced PS3 features had differed from the released model.

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

    On the other hand, the PS4 won't have to run Windows, so that should even things up again ;)

    Anyway, better next gen consoles means better PCs games - and given that both consoles will be x86 based, should mean that developers have no excuse not to release a PC version of their games now since they are all the same basic architecture

  31. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

    And your point been?


    What his comment proves is that he is yet another PC idiot that thinks he has a clue, but doesnt. (If he did he would realise how powerful these specs are in a console compared to a PC) So we should probably just ignore him as his comments are rubbish and cant be taken seriously!

  32. ted1138 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Specs? You call these specs??? No processor clock speed, no GPU clock speed or video memory size, no hard drive size, no hard drive speed, no optical drive speed... All aboard the hype train! Sort it out CVG! All this is is an attempt to get more site traffic. That 8gb of RAM isn't video memory!

    Look again, most of that is up there. Plus it's shared RAM, which means it's both system and graphics memory... :wink:

  33. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...


    What his comment proves is that he is yet another PC idiot that thinks he has a clue, but doesnt. (If he did he would realise how powerful these specs are in a console compared to a PC) So we should probably just ignore him as his comments are rubbish and cant be taken seriously!

    Actually, I am platform agnostic. I own all of the current gen consoles, and play games on all platforms including PC. Indeed, these specs are great for a console - the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games. My comment was purely a statement of fact. The PS4 will indeed be almost as powerful as my PC, and I did indeed build my PC using parts that were available over a year ago. To read any more into these comments is purely speculation on your part, and I think it's quite rude to suggest that a) I don't have a clue and b) I don't appreciate the technology leap within the context of console hardware. I mean, come on, I'm not using your response as a basis for the theory that you're a console kiddie who gets all defensive when someone mentions PC gaming... :wink:

  34. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Actually, I am platform agnostic. I own all of the current gen consoles, and play games on all platforms including PC. Indeed, these specs are great for a console - the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games. My comment was purely a statement of fact. The PS4 will indeed be almost as powerful as my PC, and I did indeed build my PC using parts that were available over a year ago. To read any more into these comments is purely speculation on your part, and I think it's quite rude to suggest that a) I don't have a clue and b) I don't appreciate the technology leap within the context of console hardware. I mean, come on, I'm not using your response as a basis for the theory that you're a console kiddie who gets all defensive when someone mentions PC gaming... :wink:

    Not at all, i have a high end PC which i got my cousin to build for me as he is s**t hot at this stuff and its also his job. He explained in detail to me how these specs would compare to a PC and the difference in performance. And for the record i also have a PS3 and Xbox 360 and a Wii U. So im probably more platform agnostic than you imagine and not the console kiddie you implied. Oh and also by putting that comment on here its an insult to most people on this site, so i imagine you will be pulled up on it by more than me.

    As you yourself say your platform agnostic, then why stick a comment on here which was clearly aimed at creating a flame war no matter how you explain it now, there are so many different ways you could have worded it, and yet you chose that way? It was CLEARLY a slight at the PS4. Im not the only one on here picked up on it, hence way i said you should be ignored. Which to be fair is quite a reasonable response,

  35. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I can't understand how anyone can own all three consoles and a PC and time to play games on all of them. I have all three consoles and still struggle to keep up with the PS3 back log, let alone the 360. The Wii at least had the decency to stop anything worth playing on it years ago.

  36. MRHONGKONGDAVE on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Specs? You call these specs??? No processor clock speed, no GPU clock speed or video memory size, no hard drive size, no hard drive speed, no optical drive speed... All aboard the hype train! Sort it out CVG! All this is is an attempt to get more site traffic. That 8gb of RAM isn't video memory!

    Look again, most of that is up there. Plus it's shared RAM, which means it's both system and graphics memory... :wink:

    Yeah but it is the fastest DDR5 around twice as fast as DDR3 and 8gb is unheard of, even when shared on any current systems that are even in the same estimated price bracket. You could say that it's the equivalent of 8gb DDR3 for system and 8gb DDR3 for graphics when taken process time into consideration. The GPU is part and parcel to the CPU on PS4 so it will also be caching from storage they said. They have benched it at nearly 2 terraflops which unreal said was necessary for Samritan to run realtime at full tilt. This is what devs are capable of with it now so imagine what next gen will be like in another year.

    This is also great news for high-end PC owners, they will now be able truly release the power of their rigs when new games out in the next year or so.

    None of us know any further info at this time.

  37. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I can't understand how anyone can own all three consoles and a PC and time to play games on all of them. I have all three consoles and still struggle to keep up with the PS3 back log, let alone the 360. The Wii at least had the decency to stop anything worth playing on it years ago.


    Believe me mate, i do struggle, im working my way through Ni No Kuni at the min, and thats getting all my attention :)

  38. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Actually, I am platform agnostic. I own all of the current gen consoles, and play games on all platforms including PC. Indeed, these specs are great for a console - the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games. My comment was purely a statement of fact. The PS4 will indeed be almost as powerful as my PC, and I did indeed build my PC using parts that were available over a year ago. To read any more into these comments is purely speculation on your part, and I think it's quite rude to suggest that a) I don't have a clue and b) I don't appreciate the technology leap within the context of console hardware. I mean, come on, I'm not using your response as a basis for the theory that you're a console kiddie who gets all defensive when someone mentions PC gaming... :wink:

    Not at all, i have a high end PC which i got my cousin to build for me as he is s**t hot at this stuff and its also his job. He explained in detail to me how these specs would compare to a PC and the difference in performance. And for the record i also have a PS3 and Xbox 360 and a Wii U. So im probably more platform agnostic than you imagine and not the console kiddie you implied. Oh and also by putting that comment on here its an insult to most people on this site, so i imagine you will be pulled up on it by more than me.

    As you yourself say your platform agnostic, then why stick a comment on here which was clearly aimed at creating a flame war no matter how you explain it now, there are so many different ways you could have worded it, and yet you chose that way? It was CLEARLY a slight at the PS4. Im not the only one on here picked up on it, hence way i said you should be ignored. Which to be fair is quite a reasonable response,

    I'm really glad there are standup guys like your "cousin who is s**t hot at this stuff and its also his job" to explain things to you.
    And I'm not quite sure how that will be an insult to most people on this site; are you suggesting they're all defensive console kiddies? I'm certainly not. Indeed, console users tend to harbour an appreciation for PC gaming, whereas I find it's usually PC-exclusive gamers that slate consoles.
    As for slighting the PS4 - perhaps it's time to take a big ol' bite of the chill-out cake and stop interpreting everything you read on the internet as malicious? :wink:

  39. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I can't understand how anyone can own all three consoles and a PC and time to play games on all of them. I have all three consoles and still struggle to keep up with the PS3 back log, let alone the 360. The Wii at least had the decency to stop anything worth playing on it years ago.


    Believe me mate, i do struggle, im working my way through Ni No Kuni at the min, and thats getting all my attention :)

    I think it works out as, in my experience, you don't necessarily buy as many games for each console as someone with only one platform would. It tends to spread out across them all so you end up with roughly the same number of games overall, just a few different platforms to switch between and keep the experience fresh :)

  40. MRHONGKONGDAVE on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I can't understand how anyone can own all three consoles and a PC and time to play games on all of them. I have all three consoles and still struggle to keep up with the PS3 back log, let alone the 360. The Wii at least had the decency to stop anything worth playing on it years ago.

    You end up just playing exclusives on consoles and shooters on the PC, like BF3, FC3 and Crysis 3 as they are worlds apart at the moment.

    p.s. the Wii doesn't really count as it's horse crap! Mario Galxy 2 was the last game I bought for it.

  41. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Last three games I got on the Wii were SMG, SMG and LoZ:SS which were all great. But on the PS3 I have 21 games waiting to be completed I have purchased and lord knows how many of the free PSN+ games to do, but we are talking over forty. The 360 I have about ten games to play.

  42. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Last three games I got on the Wii were SMG, SMG and LoZ:SS which were all great. But on the PS3 I have 21 games waiting to be completed I have purchased and lord knows how many of the free PSN+ games to do, but we are talking over forty. The 360 I have about ten games to play.

    Wow, you set yourself some nice targets! :lol: I've only got about 3 each going on Xbox 360, PS3 and PC, and that keeps me busy enough!

  43. ted1138 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games.

    That surely has to be the best 'PC elitist statement of the day' i've seen for a long time... :lol:

  44. HelloLadies on 21 Feb '13 said:

    the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games.

    That surely has to be the best 'PC elitist statement of the day' i've seen for a long time... :lol:

    Ive seen far worse on here. Besides its not that far off the money in some cases. Ive seen countless people on this site argue that building a gaming PC is to complicated.

  45. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games.

    That surely has to be the best 'PC elitist statement of the day' i've seen for a long time... :lol:

    But if you read the rest of the post, you'd realise I'm not "PC elitist" :? I have merely offered up a few possible reasons for someone to choose consoles over/instead of PC gaming. Indeed, I myself was a console-exclusive gamer until I started to earn enough money to afford to build a good PC, so the "finances" one in particular was once applicable to me. Other possibilities beyond those I have already mentioned include people who want a more social experience, people who tend to move around a lot etc.

    Perhaps it would make for a nicer world if people simply entered into a well-mannered debate upon reading something they don't agree with, rather than simply branding the poster with insults and generalizations? :)

  46. rbt2 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Load of old s**te from what I saw last night. *edit* that rhymes!
    Still, ya nevah know.
    As they say.
    Sure it will be good.

  47. nb_nmare2 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Indeed, these specs are great for a console - the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games.

    That's a rather outdated view, more suited to a time when the PC actually had its own AAA exclusives. I haven't bought any new hardware for my PC in three years, yet can still play Dead Space 3 at maximum settings with it being silky smooth.

  48. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Indeed, these specs are great for a console - the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games.

    That's a rather outdated view, more suited to a time when the PC actually had its own AAA exclusives. I haven't bought any new hardware for my PC in three years, yet can still play Dead Space 3 at maximum settings with it being silky smooth.

    Perhaps I was incorrect to generalize consoles as a cheaper alternative, but financial reasons are certainly valid in some cases. You may not have upgraded your PC for a while, but I'm guessing it cost more to build/buy at the time than a console? I'm certainly not saying there is anything wrong with this; I myself started of this generation with just an Xbox 360 (which was a stretch to afford at the time), and it's only recently that I've been able to afford the costs associated with building a gaming PC

  49. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Cost wasn't an issue for me giving up on PC gaming, it was the lack of games.

  50. neilsinc on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't get all this wii u hating I read. The PS4 looks awesome no doubt about it, but what does it do that I can't already do on my very high-end PC? Most of the games that will come out for the PS4/Nextbox will be available to me on my PC, therefore I probably won't buy either of these consoles. The reason why I got a wii U is because I love nintendo games, and as good as GTA is completing the missions was nowhere near as hard as collecting all the green stars on mario galaxy 2. That's why I own a PC and a wii U, the PC to play the most beautiful graphically amazing games which will continue to play better than the PS4 and Nextbox, and my wii U for the nintendo exclusives where graphics don't matter it is just the amazing gameplay nintendo continue to offer, and especially after hearing about the plan for the new zelda-U this just confirms that nintendo continue to offer the best games, regardless of graphical capability.

    So for all the nintendo haters, instead of wasting money on a PS4/Nextbox that is less powerful than my current PC, why not at least try mario kart, mario 3d, zelda, battalion wars, f-zero, smash bros, donkey kong, metroid, games that get better with each and every system before bashing nintendo. And whilst I loved my PS2, I sold both my PS3 and xbox360 as they had hardly any games that I couldn't get on my PC, and my PC is so powerful it has already beaten the next-gen consoles, so why would I invest in a PS4/Nextbox.

    PC and nintendo are gamings future. I am also sick of hearing how nintendo doesn't cater to hardcore gamers, collecting the green stars on mario galaxy was much harder and rewarding than completing missions/zombies on black ops 2 or GTA. A game doesn't need violence for some 12 year old noob to call it a casual game.

    Whilst PS4 and undoubtably Nextbox are impressive, and I may well get one, there will still be plenty of people who buy nintendo's console because guess what... we love nintendo games and like to be challenged. Some of you 'hardcore gamers' should try completing super ghouls n ghosts or super mario world on the SNES before thinking your any good at games.

    Rant over. And no I am not a fan boy having owned almost every console since the SNES, and loved my PS1 and dreamcast dearly.

  51. Stan_Goodspeed on 21 Feb '13 said:

    You just can't compare PC specs with seemingly similar console specs, since the latter are dedicated games machines with dedicated resources. Besides, like someone already mentioned the more RAM there is on next-gen consoles, the better ports will look like whether it's consoles to PC or the other way around. So PC loudmouths with a knack for cluelessness might be tempted to shut their lap, for once. Everyone's a winner.

    However, I'd be curious to see how those 8GB are shared. Might give us a better insight than these incomplete specs.

  52. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Cost wasn't an issue for me giving up on PC gaming, it was the lack of games.

    I can't say I've noticed a significant shortfall of PC games. Or do you mean PC exclusives?

  53. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Sorry, I meant exclusives on the PC.

  54. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    ...The PS4 looks awesome no doubt about it, but what does it do that I can't already do on my very high-end PC? ...

    There's more to it than just pure power. Personally, I love the Xbox 360 because the online aspect is so well done; it's easy to keep track of your friends, and you can happily sit there having a group chat whilst all playing different games. To do the same on PC requires installing and configuring separate voice chat software, keeping track of friends across a myriad of services (Steam, Origin etc). So in that regard, my 360 wins over my PC on usability. I'm sure other people will have other reasons for other opinions :)

    And before I get branded/insulted/shot down (again), I'm merely providing my opinion in response to the question you posed. You may be perfectly happy to find workarounds on your PC, or you may not care about it at all! And that's your opinion, and that's fine!

  55. Bllack Falcon on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Sorry, I meant exclusives on the PC.

    That's a fair point, it does seem that a lot of games these days are ports in one direction or another. Though recently I've found myself getting cross-platform games on PC due to the lower price (for example, Tomb Raider Survival Edition for <£40 on PC compared to ~£55 on consoles)

  56. neilsinc on 21 Feb '13 said:

    ...The PS4 looks awesome no doubt about it, but what does it do that I can't already do on my very high-end PC? ...

    There's more to it than just pure power. Personally, I love the Xbox 360 because the online aspect is so well done; it's easy to keep track of your friends, and you can happily sit there having a group chat whilst all playing different games. To do the same on PC requires installing and configuring separate voice chat software, keeping track of friends across a myriad of services (Steam, Origin etc). So in that regard, my 360 wins over my PC on usability. I'm sure other people will have other reasons for other opinions :)

    And before I get branded/insulted/shot down (again), I'm merely providing my opinion in response to the question you posed. You may be perfectly happy to find workarounds on your PC, or you may not care about it at all! And that's your opinion, and that's fine!

    Thats a good point to be fair, it is easier to have an all-nighter with mates on ps/xbox and it would be good if microsoft brought a type of headset/xbox live feature to PC in future, so that is an advantage of consoles over PC.

  57. runadumb on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Sorry, I meant exclusives on the PC.

    But most of the third party games are better and cheaper on the PC anyway.

    I'm not here to bash the PS4 (I think it looks great) your comment just puzzled me.

  58. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I'm really glad there are standup guys like your "cousin who is s**t hot at this stuff and its also his job" to explain things to you.
    And I'm not quite sure how that will be an insult to most people on this site; are you suggesting they're all defensive console kiddies? I'm certainly not. Indeed, console users tend to harbour an appreciation for PC gaming, whereas I find it's usually PC-exclusive gamers that slate consoles.
    As for slighting the PS4 - perhaps it's time to take a big ol' bite of the chill-out cake and stop interpreting everything you read on the internet as malicious? :wink:

    He genuinely is s**t hot at it though lol ;) anyway, i apologise profusely if i have mistaken your comment for flame baiting, i just took the implications of the comment wrong :)

  59. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Sorry, I meant exclusives on the PC.

    But most of the third party games are better and cheaper on the PC anyway.

    I'm not here to bash the PS4 (I think it looks great) your comment just puzzled me.


    I just found myself finding myself playing PC games a lot less. At the time there was a plethora of RTS, FPS and little else so I gave up on PC gaming. This coincided with Sony starting to get a decent range exclusives, the likes of ICO and GOW and Buzz which I really enjoyed. So I moved more into console gaming, I know that isn't the usual route for gamers. Normally their parents buy them a console, then once they get their own disposable income they'll get all the consoles, eventually they'll get a PC. After this generally they start to favour one of the console choices, usually the one manufactured by whomever their parents bought them first. At the same time they'll start learning about the upgrades that can be done to their PC and how it will out perform their consoles and can be managed relatively cheaply.

    I've been gaming for over thirty years so falling out of love with PC's when they offered little of interest to me is probably the next logical step but most gamers are younger so we can't make a qualified observation yet. I wouldn't say my route through gaming life is set in stone for everyone, but when I talk to PC only gamers they'll tell a similar story which either ends with one console and one PC or a PC and wait a generation and play the console games on an emulator.

  60. runadumb on 21 Feb '13 said:


    I just found myself finding myself playing PC games a lot less. At the time there was a plethora of RTS, FPS and little else so I gave up on PC gaming. This coincided with Sony starting to get a decent range exclusives, the likes of ICO and GOW and Buzz which I really enjoyed. So I moved more into console gaming, I know that isn't the usual route for gamers. Normally their parents buy them a console, then once they get their own disposable income they'll get all the consoles, eventually they'll get a PC. After this generally they start to favour one of the console choices, usually the one manufactured by whomever their parents bought them first. At the same time they'll start learning about the upgrades that can be done to their PC and how it will out perform their consoles and can be managed relatively cheaply.

    I've been gaming for over thirty years so falling out of love with PC's when they offered little of interest to me is probably the next logical step but most gamers are younger so we can't make a qualified observation yet. I wouldn't say my route through gaming life is set in stone for everyone, but when I talk to PC only gamers they'll tell a similar story which either ends with one console and one PC or a PC and wait a generation and play the console games on an emulator.

    I've (almost, excluding my much younger years, I'm 31 now) always been one console one PC. I bought the PS3 as I love some of Sony's exclusives, like Infamous, Ratchet and Clank series, God of War etc but have found myself going full blown PC the last 2 years. I have only used the PS3 for such exclusives. Which serves its purpose fine at the right price.

    The added versatility of PC with (like as you mentioned) emulators, potential game changers like the Oculus Rift and growing lack of exclusives means for the first time, I may sit out this console generation.

    Will see what Sony puts out first party over the next 3 years.

  61. Very_Silver_Ownz on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I can't wait for the day I get a PS4. Nothing beats the excitement you get from unboxing that next gen console.

  62. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I can't wait for the day I get a PS4. Nothing beats the excitement you get from unboxing that next gen console.


    Please dont, i could wet myself with excitement lol :)

  63. Tensor on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I am SEVERELY disappointed with these specs. The 8-core AMD processor? Do people even realize every i5 (yet alone an i7, or 2 i7 CPUs) PC and Laptop is vastly superior to this?

    And 1.84 GFLOPS GPU? That's a piece of garbage! An AMD HD 7970 GPU measures at 4 TFLOPS, more than twice as powerful!!

    If you have a laptop with an i5 CPU and a mid-range graphics card, it will circles around this piece of trash. If you have a gaming PC with 2x i7 CPU and 2 GPUs, then this PS4 has less power than a paper weight or my door knob. And the PS4 eye doesn't do 1080p? And the PS4 itself won't support 4k TVs coming out? Yeah, thanks but no thanks. Tell me when you make something useful.

  64. The Bossman on 21 Feb '13 said:

    I don't know much about specs, but 8GB of RAM is a good thing, would have been good if it had more obviously but 8GB is a meaty amount for developers to work with. :D


    Ram isn't one of the most important things i'd say, i've personally never had any pc game use over 4gb yet and thats the only reason i really state this, of course its important but theres not yet anything that really goes to use all that ram, which is great as we don't want it bottlenecking out early in its life when the next gen arrives and will more than likely take up a good load more ram but what grabs my attention though is the DDR5 GPU, thats like top notch pc tech right there, its a bit more complicated to work out the speeds and the power but i'd expect it to only be a little bit weaker than its pc counterparts, i'm sure over the past 7 years heat management is alot easier to deal with thus allowing much higher specs than alot of people were expecting (well me anyway) and its going into a console along with a pretty damn strong processor fingers crossed there wont be any lag spikes, screen tearing or underscaling in the games, with this level of power its a pretty safe bet to say this is going to be an epic console.

    I'd fking hope it is an epic console, they've had about 6 years or however long it's been since it first launched, to right their wrongs. And if MS don't get something sorted by E3 then I can see it being the dominant console this gen :)

    More!? Do you have any clue about RAM!? It has 8 GB of GDDR5! RAM .... GDDR 5 .... the newly released GTX Titan has 6GB of GDDR5. This is enough and then some. Sony dun future proofed. :mrgreen:

    I'm really not up to speed on any PC upgrades at all, but all that ^ you just said sounds great!

  65. Tensor on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

    Really, you built a low-end PC a year ago? Its equally powerful to a mid-range PC I built 4 years ago and sold for $200...

  66. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Wow, based on these specs it sounds like it will be ALMOST as powerful as my PC! That I built over a year ago...

    Really, you built a low-end PC a year ago? Its equally powerful to a mid-range PC I built 4 years ago and sold for $200...


    Why would you need such a PC when the games worth owning are indie titles that run on low end PCs?

  67. Simon Miles on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Actually, I am platform agnostic. I own all of the current gen consoles, and play games on all platforms including PC. Indeed, these specs are great for a console - the whole point of consoles being a cheaper, mainstream alternative to gaming PCs targeted at people who perhaps don't have the time, finances or expertise to maintain a high-end system, yet still wish to play the latest games. My comment was purely a statement of fact. The PS4 will indeed be almost as powerful as my PC, and I did indeed build my PC using parts that were available over a year ago. To read any more into these comments is purely speculation on your part, and I think it's quite rude to suggest that a) I don't have a clue and b) I don't appreciate the technology leap within the context of console hardware. I mean, come on, I'm not using your response as a basis for the theory that you're a console kiddie who gets all defensive when someone mentions PC gaming... :wink:

    Not at all, i have a high end PC which i got my cousin to build for me as he is s**t hot at this stuff and its also his job. He explained in detail to me how these specs would compare to a PC and the difference in performance. And for the record i also have a PS3 and Xbox 360 and a Wii U. So im probably more platform agnostic than you imagine and not the console kiddie you implied. Oh and also by putting that comment on here its an insult to most people on this site, so i imagine you will be pulled up on it by more than me.

    As you yourself say your platform agnostic, then why stick a comment on here which was clearly aimed at creating a flame war no matter how you explain it now, there are so many different ways you could have worded it, and yet you chose that way? It was CLEARLY a slight at the PS4. Im not the only one on here picked up on it, hence way i said you should be ignored. Which to be fair is quite a reasonable response,

  68. Simon Miles on 21 Feb '13 said:

    i don't know much about pc architecture, however, if i wanted to build a pc tomorrow with the same sort of grunt as the ps4 how much would id be looking at paying?

    Cheers

  69. Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

    i don't know much about pc architecture, however, if i wanted to build a pc tomorrow with the same sort of grunt as the ps4 how much would id be looking at paying?

    Cheers

    According to most of the PC crowd I have spoken to say in the region for four to five hundred notes as a minimum. But I'm not a PC expert.

  70. Simon Miles on 21 Feb '13 said:

    i don't know much about pc architecture, however, if i wanted to build a pc tomorrow with the same sort of grunt as the ps4 how much would id be looking at paying?

    Cheers

    According to most of the PC crowd I have spoken to say in the region for four to five hundred notes as a minimum. But I'm not a PC expert.

    Really!! id thought it would be a bit more, but thanks mate ;-) i might hold off and see what the steam box has up its sleeve...but the ps4 dose looking like a cracking system;-)

  71. Tensor on 21 Feb '13 said:

    i don't know much about pc architecture, however, if i wanted to build a pc tomorrow with the same sort of grunt as the ps4 how much would id be looking at paying?

    Cheers

    You could definitely build such a PC for ~$450 with the same hardware. They said a 1.84 TFLOPS AMD GPU, which would be the AMD HD 7770. That video card is $99 on NewEgg. Then, an AMD 8-core CPU? Those are $150. 8 GB of ram? $43. That's $300. Then, add any arbitrary case that includes a power supply and costs under $70. I wouldn't expect more than a 1TB ($80) hard drive, either. You're at $450 by standard prices.

    However, also consider that they claimed it is an AMD "Jaguar" CPU. Jaguar is the next LOW POWER CPU coming out, a direct competitor to Intel's Atom processors. So, when they do come out, you can probably expect to see an integrated Jaguar CPU/MOBO combo for $100-150. Jaguar is explicitly intended to be a low power cpu with low to moderate performance, so I'm not sure why they are using that crap...

  72. kimoak on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Nice one the PC owners pointing out that PC gamers will benefit from more powerful consoles closer to PCs from having closer tech which will push our PC's further than before. Glad they ditched the cell processor. Multiplatform games are going to look better than ever on our PC's. Great news for us. :)

  73. beastie on 21 Feb '13 said:

    This is all very nice, but can I buy a pink one

  74. Simon Miles on 21 Feb '13 said:

    i don't know much about pc architecture, however, if i wanted to build a pc tomorrow with the same sort of grunt as the ps4 how much would id be looking at paying?

    Cheers

    You could definitely build such a PC for ~$450 with the same hardware. They said a 1.84 TFLOPS AMD GPU, which would be the AMD HD 7770. That video card is $99 on NewEgg. Then, an AMD 8-core CPU? Those are $150. 8 GB of ram? $43. That's $300. Then, add any arbitrary case that includes a power supply and costs under $70. I wouldn't expect more than a 1TB ($80) hard drive, either. You're at $450 by standard prices.

    However, also consider that they claimed it is an AMD "Jaguar" CPU. Jaguar is the next LOW POWER CPU coming out, a direct competitor to Intel's Atom processors. So, when they do come out, you can probably expect to see an integrated Jaguar CPU/MOBO combo for $100-150. Jaguar is explicitly intended to be a low power cpu with low to moderate performance, so I'm not sure why they are using that crap...


    Ok cheers,so looking at the specs of say the new X7A system " new tv computers" how does the ps4 compare?

    X7A system KEY FEATURES & BENEFITS

    • Ultra high performance, low power, small form factor

    • Runs x86-based operating systems & software

    • 3.2GHz quad-core x86-based APU

    • Radeon 7000 series GPU w/384 programmable cores

    • Up to 1TB of SSD storage

    • Low energy use (40 Watts)

    • Triple monitor support: 2 Mini DP, 1 HDMI/DisplayPort combo

    • 12 I/O ports (four eSATAp III, four USB 3.0,

    Sorry just want it in layman's terms,thanks for your input ;-)

  75. flyfletch on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Just reading on Techradar that Sony have stated that 2ND hand games absolutely will not be blocked on the system! That should keep a lot of people happy :)

  76. Simon Miles on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Just reading on Techradar that Sony have stated that 2ND hand games absolutely will not be blocked on the system! That should keep a lot of people happy :)


    and a certain company ;-)

  77. ted1138 on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Perhaps it would make for a nicer world if people simply entered into a well-mannered debate upon reading something they don't agree with, rather than simply branding the poster with insults and generalizations?


    Says the bloke who thinks console gamers are too poor or stupid to play games on a computer... :roll:

  78. Simon Miles on 21 Feb '13 said:

    Perhaps it would make for a nicer world if people simply entered into a well-mannered debate upon reading something they don't agree with, rather than simply branding the poster with insults and generalizations?


    Says the bloke who thinks console gamers are too poor or stupid to play games on a computer... :roll:


    :D

  79. Gator on 22 Feb '13 said:

    Snip-

    Really, you built a low-end PC a year ago? Its equally powerful to a mid-range PC I built 4 years ago and sold for $200...

    I feel the same way, I'm seeing this everywhere, as well as the "Crysis 3 still looks better" argument. The fact that the game hasn't been getting the best reviews doesn't seem to bother these people. You'd think people would understand the differences between consoles and PC by now, or at least that there is a difference, but they keep going on about building a same/higher spec rig for the same price.

    Will you be able to build a rig that could run GoW: Ascension with 512mb ram? Consoles are in a different league, and that's not to say better or worse, just different. We'll be seeing amazing things on it whether you're in or out.

  80. Bllack Falcon on 22 Feb '13 said:

    Perhaps it would make for a nicer world if people simply entered into a well-mannered debate upon reading something they don't agree with, rather than simply branding the poster with insults and generalizations?


    Says the bloke who thinks console gamers are too poor or stupid to play games on a computer... :roll:

    Well that's not QUITE what I said... I gave some examples as to why some people may choose consoles. As I explained in another post, finances prevented me from building a decent PC until recently. And as someone else mentioned, a lot of people comment on how they're intimidated by putting together a gaming PC themselves. Whilst that addresses the two aspects you have chosen to pick up on, I'm fully aware that there's an almost infinite wealth of other reasons for someone to choose consoles exclusively; naturally I'm just going to mention those which I am most aware of in my personal experience.