The PS4 share button will not be a universal application, and can be blocked by developers.
But what in-game footage a user can share will be determined by developers, he said.
"There will be parts of a game that the maker does not want people to be able to see," he said. "For example, on Vita, developers can in certain scenes disable the feature that lets users take a screenshot, and [the Share function] will have a similar mechanism.
"The creator may not want to make video of the final boss sharable, for instance."
Elsewhere in the interview, Yoshida admitted that even internal Sony studios initially had trouble developing for the notoriously difficult PS3. He
"It's difficult to believe that games like The Last Of Us and Beyond: Two Souls are running on exactly the same hardware as those early games. Those developers have studied hard to make a great PS3 game. But it's taken a long time (for developers) to reach this point."
The PlayStation 4 is expected to release globally in 2013.
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BenThomasFoster on 6 May '13 said:
why not by the user? I want my suggested s**t and share s**t turned the f**k off. sorry for the language hallelujah auto censor
Mobius Evalon on 6 May '13 said:
So presumably they don't want segments of a game "ruined" by having it shared from the console itself. Have any of these people ever seen YouTube? Give it a week after a game's release and somebody with a capture card will have it posted for the entire internet to see anyway. Disabling the console's function is just gimping a feature for no good reason whatsoever.
jodders on 6 May '13 said:
Hmmm... Wasn't that bothered about the share button until I watched CVG's 'Tell us how to play Dark souls'.
After the enjoyment I had watching that I was hoping the PS4 would let you do something similar without the expensive PC rig needed to run a cast on Twitch.
Hope Tamoor's leveled-up some, looking forward to Tuesday before I go and put in another night shift!
Chris_Shanahan87 on 6 May '13 said:
lol what?
If a user wants to go onto youtube and see the ending of a game they are playing, then that's their choice. It doesn't mean Sony want to be the very source of such spoilers or make it easier for them does it? Games are pirated all the time, does that mean the publishers should just join in the fray and give the games away?
Gash Gardner on 6 May '13 said:
Um watching 10 minutes of a game is NO WHERE NEAR pirating a game, and is a ridiculous comparison to make. You both make good points however, the game is easily able to be viewed on youtube around a week after release, however im assuming things your friends share will pop up on your dash or youll get a notification, and may potentially spoil the game, so they could block stuff to prevent that.
Barca Azul on 6 May '13 said:
Yes, it does seems a little pointless if they block it. Not to say they will though.
flyfletch on 6 May '13 said:
Surely i/we wouldnt be able to see the video/screenshot unless we went looking for that particular video/screenshot?? Makes absolutely no sense. Im personally not in the habit of ruining a game for myself by watching it on YouTube when i get it. I like to play through the thing first.
If im REALLY stuck, then yes ill look for a tip on YouTube or some site, but i have to go looking for it, its not something that pops up when im playing the game.....Very strange thing to do if you ask me....
Drusus on 6 May '13 said:
A lot of people are saying this is to stop spoilers, how long before bad devs starts turning it off in sections of the game they haven't polished or turning it off altogether for games like Aliens Colonial Marines.
Some devs aren't going to like there flaws being posted to youtube in massive amounts, giving them the ability to dictate what can be shared means the share button is already useless. Let us share what we want to share and if it's from a spoiler section have it marked as spoiler,
This move is to cover devs not spoilers.
Stan_Goodspeed on 6 May '13 said:
I don't see what's the fuss here. Manufacturers have no say about which features devs should use. Just because a feature is here doesn't mean it is mandatory, just look at the sixaxis. Or game installs. Or Platinum trophies, the list goes on and on... Of course some features are essentially mandatory for the game to work properly, of course some devs will pervert the "Share" use to hide more than simple spoilers, but that alone doesn't make the Share button irrelevant wholesale. Not 6 months before any of us mere mortals can actually use it and judge it on its own merits. Seems a bit harsh, don't you think?
S-Smith on 6 May '13 said:
Well it will be the idiotic game developers who do block stuff because you can view any game ending or other parts of any game on YouTube or other sites anyway after a game comes out, even sometimes even before a game comes out to lol But then again maybe for legal reasons it can't be done? Like say in HOME you can't listen to your music or watch Videos for legal reasons.
Two Pennys Worth on 6 May '13 said:
No big deal, i think most devs will support it and not censor it. Has it been announced if the share button will upload to Youtube or is it only Ustream ?
________________ on 6 May '13 said:
Are developers able to turn on the share function without the user knowing I wonder, and secretly upload in the background actions you have taken.
It could be a privacy issue. Especially if they can access the cam/audio content of the user too.
Clusks on 6 May '13 said:
Quite the legacy Dark Souls is creating. Maybe looking back it could be considered THE seminal game of this console generation.
TheLastDodo on 6 May '13 said:
I think Sony have only said Ustream, so far.
Skyly on 6 May '13 said:
Dunno if someone else has, but I'm calling this right now:
'Share' Button disabled for Call of Duty unless you're a Season Pass holder. only 'Elite' (or whatever the hell they call it) subscribers can share pics & videos.
I'm not a betting man, but I'd wager on that. I'd get sh*t odds too I'll bet.
wwinterj on 6 May '13 said:
IF some developers block it folk will just do what they do now and "share" the videos via youtube or the like. You can also post youtube videos to social networking sites ad make screenshots so there is a way around it. I see no benefit of blocking the share button it just causes a obstruction for the player.
kiddoblivion on 6 May '13 said:
That share button's inclusion in the PS4 is pointless because NO developer will use it because it's implementation will require extra effort which video game developers are not fans of. The PS3 has the ability to take screenshots yet NO PS3 game allows you to take screenshots. Sony should treat developers like Nintendo treats developers; tell them this is our feature set, you will include this and this and this and if you don't like it, there's the door. This pussy-footing around developers like a scared children is nonsense.
Fr33Kye on 6 May '13 said:
Yeah no. They really shouldnt be taking cues from nintendo for anything. It says devs can turn it off, which implies it's automatically on. It seems turning it off would be the extra effort.
It seems like developers are going to use it poorly. I mean what is the last bossfight gonna be locked forever? what if you alreadu beat it? You cant see anyone else's approach? They should just allow userd to keep videos off their dash if they want to finish it first. It's still up tothe user if they want to spoil it. Seems stupid to turn sharing off. This will prpbably be used poorly by developers.
TheLastDodo on 6 May '13 said:
They've started doing that with the Vita.
Every Vita game must utilise at least one of the Vita's main features (touchscreen, camera, touchpad, Near support).
Fr33Kye on 6 May '13 said:
Really? Link? That's a little weird. Not terrible though, but only because the vita isn't the 3ds. Nintendo's deal with it attitude is the reason is kind of a poorly designed console. Requiring a developer use the touchpad, isn't as bad as not bothering with an analog stick. And their deal with it attitude is the reason third parties have avoided them, they had weird arbitrary rules.
It's weird but at least they can just throw in touchscreen menu navigation and forget about it.
TheLastDodo on 6 May '13 said:
@Fr33kye
Here ya go: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/189271/
Scroll down to the 'pillars' question, the rest is a good read though.
Fr33Kye on 6 May '13 said:
Ahhh interesting. He's a little unclear. At first he tries to express that they are streamlining the process, and that some of it was unnecessary, then mentions a checklist and pillars. I don't entirely understand what he even means by that, but it is clear that there is a requirement.
theideal on 6 May '13 said:
The share feature is at the OS level, they've already said this. It's extra work to block the feature, not implement it.
leucocyte on 6 May '13 said:
some developers/publishers will embrace it (see the watch dogs dev diary for PS4), and some wont. (EA as a guess).
________________ on 6 May '13 said:
GT5 allows you to take a screen shot of any action either from you or other players, at any angle, freeroam within the 3d environment. I guess that's not what you meant. But it is a screenshot function for a PS3 game.
gmcb007 on 6 May '13 said:
Do we really need this whole share thing anyways? There's too much social media being mixed in with the next interface as it is, it looks tacky.
sevvybgoode on 6 May '13 said:
I'm really excited by the share feature to be honest. Want to send my mate a clip of a ridiculous glitch in a game or a great goal without them having to put in the game and check for the video? Definite plus points. At most it's going to lead to more messages getting ignored if you're not interested or your Facebook newsfeed having a bit more game content. If you really don't want to watch a video I'm sure you'll not click play on the link.
This also enables us to create our own playthroughs for friends without buying a capture card and will get rid of the "pics or it didn't happen" attitude you get in games.
I personally can't see a reason to be annoyed at a function you can choose to ignore and if you want to take advantage of it is user friendly... First world problems I suppose.
TheLastDodo on 6 May '13 said:
Same here, think it's a cool feature and I'll certainly be trying it out when I get a PS4, if you don't then just ignore it.
dwhlufc on 6 May '13 said:
I'm excited by it as well. I think the beat em up & football community will love it. Theres been times when I've been playing online and thought I wish I could of shown that to my mates but never could. This will hopefully solve that issue and like Dodo said, if you don't like it then just ignore it.
sevvybgoode on 6 May '13 said:
^ & ^^
Exactly, why all the drama? Will the videos pop up whilst you're playing a game like some sort of advert? Will you be hampered in any way that you aren't already with notifications etc? It has a tonne of opportunities with very little impact on those who don't want to use it. Do we really have to moan because we see a facebook logo in our games?
For pretty much every game you play you'll have the opportunity to share your weird moments you fail to tell people about accurately. The odd glitches or last minute shin shoryukens... The overhead kick you scored with Jamie carragher or the time you accidentally self killed yourself and half your team.
I for one can't wait...
patiotom on 6 May '13 said:
Nurffing the bloatware already!! Will have Google Chrome too!!
Mmmmgrolsch on 6 May '13 said:
It will be an awesome feature if CVG let us embed youtube clips into our posts. Can't stress the amount of times I wish I could have shared something out of a game, upload to facebook would be pretty neat too.
sevvybgoode on 6 May '13 said:
Tell it like it is grolschy...
http://i.imgur.com/Zgx8Xe0.gif
________________ on 6 May '13 said:
Ugh, someone mentioned facebook.
Gross.
The Drunken Spy on 7 May '13 said:
You could apply the same argument to the advertising tiles on the 360, but people seem to complain about them... A LOT!
Speaking of advertising... in the current form we've seen the whole "Share" thing so far, with very limited editing (just trimming of clip length, I believe) and no dubbing functionality, it's little more than free marketing for software and you're doing the work for them.
Personally it's something I'd very much like to avoid next gen unless they expand the functionality to allow you to create bespoke, edited and dubbed videos, rather than just a clip of a game. It's just boring and slightly insidious as it currently stands.
Anyway, sounds like it'll be coming to the Nextbox as well. So if you wanna go next gen, you're stuck with it.
Fr33Kye on 7 May '13 said:
What? Insidious?? Free advertising? You sound insane my friend. So is there a problem with people say, recording things they made in minecraft and showing their friends? No? What if mojang provided a tool to make it easier?? Does it then become an insidious way for them to use you to peddle their game? Come on man you know that's a little ridiculous.
Mmmmgrolsch on 7 May '13 said:
Not really, personally I find any form of adverts intrusive, you're forced to see the adverts, you're not forced to share your gameplay.
I've quite a few gaming friends on there that don't frequent forums so it's a good way to talk about gaming.
flyfletch on 7 May '13 said:
Well said mate!!! Your right they are ALL a bunch of miserable bastards the lot of them!!
flyfletch on 7 May '13 said:
Couldnt agree more mate, im well looking forward to showing how s**te i am at some games lol
Gemini40 on 7 May '13 said:
Gamers aren't happy unless they're moaning about something.
Like the man said, you don't have to use it
El Mag on 7 May '13 said:
Could be a laugh. Watching somebody on your friends list get mards on with a game and raging will be better now you can see which bit they keep messing up on.
The Drunken Spy on 7 May '13 said:
The fact that you can't grasp how millions of users spreading content around their friends and the whole world for that matter isn't free advertising, just kinda proves how it is underhand marketing.
Maybe "insidious" is too strong a word for it, but if no one at Sony has pointed out how enormously this functionality could benefit the awareness of their own and third party developers output without having to lift a finger, then they need some new marketing people.
The Drunken Spy on 7 May '13 said:
I don't think you're really forced to see the adverts, I forget that there most of the time as they are tiny and tucked away in the corner, and they certainly don't interfere with your gameplay one little bit. I'd rather they weren't there, but I don't find them to be a problem or particularly intrusive.
However, if you think that games on the PS4 aren't going to bang on about how you can "share" your experiences with that little button on your controller at regular intervals while you're playing, then that's a little naive.
sevvybgoode on 7 May '13 said:
I can't see the tactic that mobile games have for pushing social interaction appearing in ps4 games drunken spy. If anything I can see it being an option in replays like saving your replay / taking screenshots or at end of level briefings. I just can't imagine a prompt appearing mid game play asking if you want to upload that goal you scored or that corner you took in a racing game. From the looks of things it's mainly at an os level anyway and is similar to the screenshot functionality that vita and ps3 have already.
Tbh the only way this will really interfere with your gaming is if you get tonnes of messages from mates trying to show you their videos to which case you can possibly block what type of message you receive or block the person from your friendslist altogether if they do it too much.
I take it you won't use this functionality then?
ricflair on 7 May '13 said:
I played some games that didn't make use of the clicky analogue stick buttons. The developers are useless f**ks, and MS/Sony/Nintendo should have enforced this from the get go.
Mmmmgrolsch on 7 May '13 said:
That's not really the same thing is it Ric?
sevvybgoode on 7 May '13 said:
http://i.minus.com/ibiYKswejv0DYs.gif
ricflair on 7 May '13 said:
No it's not. It was me being silly about games somehow having to allow use of all the features of a console/pad all the time!