Metal Gear Solid: Legacy Collection 'too big' for Xbox 360 release, explains Kojima

DiamondDogs on 2 May '13 said:

Did he say anything about a Wii U version being possible?

ingy on 2 May '13 said:

*cough bulls**t cough*

shiwayb on 2 May '13 said:

I must be the only person that can't stand Metal Gear games :/

Personally find them boring to play and not good enough visually too.

Oh well, maybe the next version might change that!

KK-Headcharge78 on 2 May '13 said:

I must be the only person that can't stand Metal Gear games :/

Personally find them boring to play and not good enough visually too.

Oh well, maybe the next version might change that!

I don't think they are crap but aside from the PSOne MGS and Snake Eater I didn't find the others as epic as I would have expected, anywhere near in fact...

TheLastDodo on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

I must be the only person that can't stand Metal Gear games :/

Personally find them boring to play and not good enough visually too.

Oh well, maybe the next version might change that!

You're not alone.

Give Rising a try though, thought it was excellent.

metallicorphan on 2 May '13 said:

ha,what a load of s**t

There are many ways to get around it,i mean they could even do what they did to the HD collection in Japan and split them

you could even take away MGS2,3 and PW for the 360 release as they are available in the HD collection,I'd be fine with that as i already have them

and just release MGS4 and 1 as a 3 or 4 disc job(L.A Noire and Lost Odyssey were both 4 discs)

just excuses to not tell us the real reason(they can't be arsed)

@Dodo-not really sure what you mean,people have large HDDs for the 360,GoD has L.A. Noire and other large games....and to be honest my internet is faster at downloading on my 360 than it is on my PS3(which also has to install)

Also to note,17 gig on the PS3 does not mean the same game will be 17gig on the 360,lots of compressing goes on

FishyGinger on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

I must be the only person that can't stand Metal Gear games :/

Personally find them boring to play and not good enough visually too.

Oh well, maybe the next version might change that!

You're not alone.

Give Rising a try though, thought it was excellent.

That's what I never understood. Absolution is on xbox so how the hell does the ps download get that big? Did they hid a couple of films in there, maybe a porn version of hitman dubbed into swedish? How is that larger than something like skyrim or crysis etc?

TheLastDodo on 2 May '13 said:

@Dodo-not really sure what you mean,people have large HDDs for the 360,GoD has L.A. Noire and other large games....and to be honest my internet is faster at downloading on my 360 than it is on my PS3(which also has to install)

Also to note,17 gig on the PS3 does not mean the same game will be 17gig on the 360,lots of compressing goes on

I mean I'm yet to download or install anything that big on 360 yet and I'm glad because normally my download speeds aren't that hot so the smaller the better for me.

I've only had my 360 for a year though so maybe it's just I've not come across the bigger games yet.

kiddoblivion on 2 May '13 said:

Metal Gear Solid 4 was released on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc clocking in at roughly 47GB, a XBOX360 disc is 9GB. It's basic math, isn't it?

kiddoblivion on 2 May '13 said:

Frankly, that doesn't sound much like a Legacy Collection to me. What if they just make it Metal Gear 1 and 2 and MGS4 to save even more space on Microsoft's little 9GB DVD discs.

ha,what a load of s**t

There are many ways to get around it,i mean they could even do what they did to the HD collection in Japan and split them

you could even take away MGS2,3 and PW for the 360 release as they are available in the HD collection,I'd be fine with that as i already have them

and just release MGS4 and 1 as a 3 or 4 disc job(L.A Noire and Lost Odyssey were both 4 discs)

just excuses to not tell us the real reason(they can't be arsed)

@Dodo-not really sure what you mean,people have large HDDs for the 360,GoD has L.A. Noire and other large games....and to be honest my internet is faster at downloading on my 360 than it is on my PS3(which also has to install)

Also to note,17 gig on the PS3 does not mean the same game will be 17gig on the 360,lots of compressing goes on

mccarthy on 2 May '13 said:

Just put MGS1 on xbox marketplace, would sell like hotcakes.

AJDarkstar on 2 May '13 said:

Did he say anything about a Wii U version being possible?

I was thinking the same thing. With Twin Snakes.

karkify on 2 May '13 said:

Would add that some of that space was used for MGO, which is now gone. Even still, it takes up a fair amount of space. I don't see the issue tbh, who the hell would want to play it over 7 discs? Who's to say it's even possible to split the game up over that many discs? To bring it into the realms of "fanboys", I'm sure most complainers just want it on there to say "lol at ps3 owners". Least the guys being somewhat honest about the situation.

On another note, what of MGS1 in 360?

ingy on 2 May '13 said:

Metal Gear Solid 4 was released on a dual-layer Blu-ray disc clocking in at roughly 47GB, a XBOX360 disc is 9GB. It's basic math, isn't it?

It's not as simple as that,for example large parts of the game code were duplicated on the blu-ray to cope with slow read times, if you've got lots of space why not use it and that's exactly what they did, no need to compress if you don't need to.

dwhlufc on 2 May '13 said:

I thought there original press release said "every game on every console"

ha,what a load of s**t

There are many ways to get around it,i mean they could even do what they did to the HD collection in Japan and split them

you could even take away MGS2,3 and PW for the 360 release as they are available in the HD collection,I'd be fine with that as i already have them

and just release MGS4 and 1 as a 3 or 4 disc job(L.A Noire and Lost Odyssey were both 4 discs)

just excuses to not tell us the real reason(they can't be arsed)

@Dodo-not really sure what you mean,people have large HDDs for the 360,GoD has L.A. Noire and other large games....and to be honest my internet is faster at downloading on my 360 than it is on my PS3(which also has to install)

Also to note,17 gig on the PS3 does not mean the same game will be 17gig on the 360,lots of compressing goes on

fair point but did you read the article?

He said it wouldn't be a legacy collection with a game missing, so why would they then take out 3 and release it as a legacy collection?

The Drunken Spy on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

RAGE was over 20gig, spread over 3 discs, and it wasn't too much of a hassle and apparently it was the superior version (that's just going hearsay though as I've not played it on the PS3).

And 17GB for Hitman on the PS3?! That's over twice the size of the 360 version with no noticeable difference. I do think that blu ray has just given developers an excuse not to optimise properly for the PS3. How are the loading times in it?

Toasted_PSP on 2 May '13 said:

ha,what a load of s**t

There are many ways to get around it,i mean they could even do what they did to the HD collection in Japan and split them

you could even take away MGS2,3 and PW for the 360 release as they are available in the HD collection,I'd be fine with that as i already have them

and just release MGS4 and 1 as a 3 or 4 disc job(L.A Noire and Lost Odyssey were both 4 discs)

just excuses to not tell us the real reason(they can't be arsed)

So you just want MGS collection 2 then as it wouldn't exactly be the legacy collection if they cut things out. Plus it is likely to be about 7-8 discs unless they cut things out or over compress the thing which sadly happens all too often.

@Dodo-not really sure what you mean,people have large HDDs for the 360,GoD has L.A. Noire and other large games....and to be honest my internet is faster at downloading on my 360 than it is on my PS3(which also has to install)

Also to note,17 gig on the PS3 does not mean the same game will be 17gig on the 360,lots of compressing goes on

The 360 versions of games often lack the DTS audio to decrease disc space which is a shame if you have a decent audio system connected to your console.

Solidus 5nake on 2 May '13 said:

Is there any news on whether this edition will be released in Europe? As it would save importing it.

Toasted_PSP on 2 May '13 said:

And 17GB for Hitman on the PS3?! That's over twice the size of the 360 version with no noticeable difference. I do think that blu ray has just given developers an excuse not to optimise properly for the PS3. How are the loading times in it?

360 version of Hitman has Dolby Digital audio options, the PS3 version has Dolby Digital, DTS, 5.1LPCM & 7.1LPCM the difference in audio quality is clear if you have the right set up.

TheLastDodo on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

RAGE was over 20gig, spread over 3 discs, and it wasn't too much of a hassle and apparently it was the superior version (that's just going hearsay though as I've not played it on the PS3).

And 17GB for Hitman on the PS3?! That's over twice the size of the 360 version with no noticeable difference. I do think that blu ray has just given developers an excuse not to optimise properly for the PS3. How are the loading times in it?

Was it? Bloody hell.

Load times are ok but I'm buggered if I can tell the cutscenes are of higher quality than you tend to get on 360. It's usually better quality cutscenes and more sound options that the bluray is used for.

@Toasted: Yeah I'm just playing it through the TV speaker, all them options are wasted on me

The Drunken Spy on 2 May '13 said:

And 17GB for Hitman on the PS3?! That's over twice the size of the 360 version with no noticeable difference. I do think that blu ray has just given developers an excuse not to optimise properly for the PS3. How are the loading times in it?

360 version of Hitman has Dolby Digital audio options, the PS3 version has Dolby Digital, DTS, 5.1LPCM & 7.1LPCM the difference in audio quality is clear if you have the right set up.

That's 10gb worth of difference is it?

The Drunken Spy on 2 May '13 said:

RAGE was over 20gig, spread over 3 discs, and it wasn't too much of a hassle and apparently it was the superior version (that's just going hearsay though as I've not played it on the PS3).

And 17GB for Hitman on the PS3?! That's over twice the size of the 360 version with no noticeable difference. I do think that blu ray has just given developers an excuse not to optimise properly for the PS3. How are the loading times in it?

Was it? Bloody hell.

Load times are ok but I'm buggered if I can tell the cutscenes are of higher quality than you tend to get on 360. It's usually better quality cutscenes and more sound options that the bluray is used for.

@Toasted: Yeah I'm just playing it through the TV speaker, all them options are wasted on me

Well, I have it on the 360 and I'm a PS Plus subscriber so I guess I can do a compare and contrast, but I'm not really sure I care enough about this to wait for a 3 hour download. Maybe I can queue it through the PSN store...

Paul Skinback on 2 May '13 said:

So it's true then.
All XBox owners have small hard drives.

*chortle*

FishyGinger on 2 May '13 said:

It's how you use it Rory, not the size.

metallicorphan on 2 May '13 said:

my point was it doesn't matter if its called the Legacy collection or not

anyway,doesn't matter no point putting it out on 360 now,just wait for next box

(there's still no excuse for no MGS1 though)

shiwayb on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

I must be the only person that can't stand Metal Gear games :/

Personally find them boring to play and not good enough visually too.

Oh well, maybe the next version might change that!

You're not alone.

Give Rising a try though, thought it was excellent.

Gave rising a try on both platforms, can't say I found it interesting nor fun to play really.

The yellow-E and grey colour schemes put me a bit too :/

MattyR95 on 2 May '13 said:

If he has to take games off to make it feasible, it's not a legacy collection...

Paul Skinback on 2 May '13 said:

It's how you use it Rory, not the size.

And whoever told you that old crap was a sympathiser.

Or possibly 'wellwisher.'

flyfletch on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

Why?? lol

Toasted_PSP on 2 May '13 said:

360 version of Hitman has Dolby Digital audio options, the PS3 version has Dolby Digital, DTS, 5.1LPCM & 7.1LPCM the difference in audio quality is clear if you have the right set up.

That's 10gb worth of difference is it?

I have no idea.

But I do know that is often the reason PS3 games are larger than their 360 counterparts. I would guess the rest is due to using less compression because they don't have to, what I do know is that the size difference is normally due to something like audio or less compression rather than developers just not optimising the PS3 version.

Gameoholic007 on 2 May '13 said:

It would take 5-6 disks just to fit MGS4 alone, thank M$ for that decision. I no longer support Kojimas work, so personally I can care less what he does these days, specially now that he has been dismantling the MG franchise, and the name. MG Rising was a bad joke, with part of it being in the hands of Platinum Games.

TheLastDodo on 2 May '13 said:

Yesterday I downloaded Hitman Absolution, 17GB on PS3, I dread the day the 360 gets anything that big.

Why?? lol

Go back and read the thread ya lazy git

leucocyte on 2 May '13 said:

and just release MGS4 and 1 as a 3 or 4 disc job(L.A Noire and Lost Odyssey were both 4 discs)

microsoft's licensing model is per disc, so the more discs a release has, the bigger the xbox licensing cost. MGS4 has about 30gigs of cutscenes. i thought this had only been confirmed for japan anyway?. and the chances of it selling in any quantity on x360 there is negligible.

KK-Headcharge78 on 2 May '13 said:

I only want MGS1, am I alone in thinking this is by far the best one?

The Bossman on 2 May '13 said:

Did he say anything about a Wii U version being possible?

I was thinking the same thing. With Twin Snakes.

Nintendo have the licence to TS, that's why it's not part of the set and why they're not remaking or releasing it at any point. Only a full MGS remake would be possible, and Kojima said he'd like to do it at some point.

flyfletch on 3 May '13 said:

Why?? lol

Go back and read the thread ya lazy git

Could you not just tell me??? lol

NEO_SUPERMAN on 3 May '13 said:

If they can fit snake eater on a 3DS cart I'm sure they could compress MGS4 down from 50GB or whatever the hell it is.

Skyrim only clocks in at 6GB for f**ks sake.

Anyway, you can already play 2/3 of the best MGS games on the 360 now anyway.

God MGS4 was so disappointing. Here's looking to the new one to put it right!

Gemini40 on 3 May '13 said:

*The MGS games are rubbish anyway! Says butt-hurt Xbox fanboys-shocking report!*

KK-Headcharge78 on 3 May '13 said:

*The MGS games are rubbish anyway! Says butt-hurt Xbox fanboys-shocking report!*

Yeah because most of them are from generations long since past

gmcb007 on 3 May '13 said:

"The MGS games are rubbish anyway! Says butt-hurt Xbox fanboys-shocking report!*

"

Says stupid PS3 fanboys.

Gemini40 on 3 May '13 said:

"The MGS games are rubbish anyway! Says butt-hurt Xbox fanboys-shocking report!*

"

Says stupid PS3 fanboys.

The wink should've told you I wasn't being serious, but I guess you were too busy rubbing cream onto your sore butt to notice.

gmcb007 on 3 May '13 said:

"The MGS games are rubbish anyway! Says butt-hurt Xbox fanboys-shocking report!*

"

Says stupid PS3 fanboys.

The wink should've told you I wasn't being serious, but I guess you were too busy rubbing cream onto your sore butt to notice.

Well the rash isn't gonna heal itself!

Paul Skinback on 3 May '13 said:

I only want MGS1, am I alone in thinking this is by far the best one?

No you're not.
Still one of my fave ever games.

Gemini40 on 3 May '13 said:

Well the rash isn't gonna heal itself!