PlayStation 4 is official: Details, games, videos and release date

toaplan on 21 Feb '13 said:

I'm happy that they aren't skimping on the RAM, but instead have decided to wisely include a plentiful 8GB. A few "tech experts" here loudly insisted it wouldn't happen and were very critical of those who thought it would be a good idea...
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TheLastNinja on 21 Feb '13 said:

eeeehhhhhhh what does the poxy ps4 look like??????????????????? what a bunch of crap

ashadian on 21 Feb '13 said:

Brilliant! So excited! The Media Molecule stuff was amazing. What a talented developer they are!
Don't underestimate the power of PS!

Agent75 on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

Queen Skillage on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

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Simon Carlin on 21 Feb '13 said:

Actually very good.

Games focused, a drive to deliver; developer friendly and a strong line up of names - sadly they all kind of droned on but that's to be expected.

The Bungie family being paraded about made me laugh, they all looked super awkward.

I did chuckle when I thought of Nintendo. Not going to lie, the Wii U looks like an utter s**tbox in comparison - sorry Ninty fans but holding out for iterations of the same IPs worth buying a Wii U for? 3rd party support is going to be meagre at best, especially when MS return fire with their (apparent) monster.

Looking forward to them becoming a software developer now looks more likely. Shareholders are not going to be pleased about this one, watching the press is going to be interesting.

But I digress...

Highlight for me was the live sculpting. A nice fresh idea, no family crap or gimmicks, the idea was allowed to simply state itself and it was all the better for it.

Colour me excited - it seems the total clusterf**k of development and release of the PS3 had given Sony the drive to deliver this time - they want the market back and frankly they're going the right way about it.

Now... if MS have made some stupid social brick in an attempt to out Wii the Wii then Sony might have this gen in the bag.

Enjoyable. I give it 8 chainsaws out of 10.

Simon Carlin on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

I doubt many people would ask you.

JPTiger on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

Look out. We have a tough guy here...

But in all honesty, if you have seen that showing, and are not impressed, either you are a fanboy, or you do not grasp the technical, creative or even imaginative availabilities that the PS4 has to offer, just from that 2 hour showing.

And yes, I own a 360, and yes, I hated the controller when I first saw it. But kinect 2, the ability to project games onto the wall around your tv and possibly the "functionality" to block used games, with the added "always-connected" requirement? I'd rather not.

alan666 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Nintendo WiiU is finished !

The only thing than can save them is a very high price, but Microsoft have yet to announce the X720 or whatever its called.

Nintendo simply do not have the third party support, they will show stuff at E3 but the Sony & Microsoft steamroller will crush anything they show, any games for the WiiU that can be ported will be & they will look & play better on the PS4/X720, why hasn't the WiiU got a game like Killzone or DriverClub ? putting up ZombiU & Mario Kart 8 against those games is like being two generations behind.

I have supported Nintendo for years, but i admit i was wrong this time, Nintendo have made a huge mistake, if i hadn't already got a WiiU i really doubt i would buy one now seeing what the PS4 is offering let alone what Microsoft will offer, there is going to be constant chatter about the PS4/X720 until release, i cannot see how the WiiU can get a mention.

I have brought the wrong console

MRHONGKONGDAVE on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

You stayed up all night to fanrage! Did not look rushed! I can't wait to see what Microsoft bring either but that's because I will get both.

I think it's great that Sony have learned a lot of lessons and have moved things forward. I'm not really bothered what the console looks like as it sits in my cabinet, not on the mantle piece like some shiny trophy!

So much left out, still a lot of excitement around the corner.

p.s. A little disappointed that EA didn't have a show-n-tell on BF4 but hey ho.

Padua on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

I agree - it did feel like a rush job. I thought the controller was cool. Funniest thing is - I totally forgot I was waiting to see what the Console looked like and the pricing details Jedi Mindtricks?!

I doubt the next XBox will be a lot better because price will be more important than power.
Both are still going to be lacking compared to a decent PC. I get the feeling the PS4 won't be out until next year now.
MIcrosoft might just beat them to market too...

It was enjoyable but I wouldn't say I was blown away either.

metallicorphan on 21 Feb '13 said:

Sorry but i thought it was pretty disappointing as well

I am guessing they only showed the controller because the pics leaked

Watch Dogs looks great,but it did last year when it was revealed....Destiny looks good,but it did last week when it was revealed

Everything else looks decent enough i guess but nothing right now that makes me say i gotta have it...hopefully the E3 presentation will make me say it

not sure about Diablo III,although it got decent reviews,PC players comments on the game are far from good,but that may be down to server problems and such,so should be cool on the PS4,i hope

with it being a Holiday 2013 release,i am guessing it will be E3 when we see the machine,which will probably be the time when we see the new Xbox as well....so....really....tonight was a little wasted wasn't it,who didn't suspect that the PS4 was on it's way anyway,with or without an announcement tonight?

sbradley88 on 21 Feb '13 said:

I love how Daz seems to think he knows more than industry recognised console engineers and developers.

Padua on 21 Feb '13 said:

As for Gaikai.....same problem as OnLive. Great theory, great potential and I wish it was possible. And it will be one day, but all it serves to do at the moment is put pressure on BT in the UK to roll out their upgraded infrastructure faster than they physically want to and/or capable of.

Thing is time is on the side of this streaming technology. It might not be ripe yet but it will come and not just because of gaming. I liked the integration with UStream and how you could watch the gameplay video of Killzone on Facebook. Nice touch.

Cogglesz on 21 Feb '13 said:

This blew me away, the whole show to be honest, there wasn't one game that i'd not purchase and i don't think i can say that about any previous reveals, if i'm being honest being mainly a pc gamer for 3 odd years now i've seen and played some great games with some amazing visuals compared to what we've had on consoles for the past 7 odd years and to be fair i wasn't expecting the PS4 to look nearly as good as this, especially that game from capcom, thats totally surprised me, just looking at the effects used and all the detail makes me think my computer would struggle with that and it can run bf3 on ultra with no problems at a great consistant frame rate but this is beyond even that in my opinion, and thats a game from capcom.

I Personally think Microsoft are going to have a real tough time at E3 this year, with all that Kinect stuff they're focusing on i don't think it will nearly be as good, although i prefer the 360 over the PS3 i feel the PS4 is extremely dedicated to gamers and with the 8gb of ram, advanced DX11tech and a high tech processor the possibilities seem pretty endless, however we've not seen what Microsoft have yet so of course i'm keeping an open judgement about it.

before watching this i was pretty confident they'd not get that Unreal 4 Tech demo as good as first shown on pretty much top end pc components but i'm really impressed with what i've seen, especially with all the new features besides the games it seems like a real proper step up, i'm still stunned sony went and fired the gun first, plus gave us a winter holiday release window, i was going to get myself a vita for christmas but hell knows now, i've thrown a good bit of cash into my pc and i love it but this type of stuff is what made me a console gamer in the first place, now its got a great amount of horsepower i hope we can kiss lag spikes and underscaling goodbye, they really seemed to have done well developing it with feedback from alot of the top devs out there, my god what will Elder Scrolls VI look like?

I'm getting that Next gen feeling again and its great, its been far too long since, i was still in high school back then and now i've finished college ages ago and in my mid 20's, i can't wait for the E3 this year and to see what microsoft has planned, that show was 100% top quality, even the Gaikai streaming stuff really impressed me with the way they were going on about it, instant demos and all that stuff, i really can't wait for 2014 to come along and we can really step our toes into it and get settled into a brand new generation, although i'll admit i'm total frustrated that we never got to see the actual console but i'm happy to have seen all those top quality games, watch dogs looks a better game than GTA 5, the devs love it, me who's been pc gaming for 3 years loves it so i think its going to be a very positive time for sony, i don't know how they've pulled it off but todays a great day to be a gamer, the cats out the bag and we've seen what we'll be getting for sure and not just what the devs want, i feel even after playing crysis 3 on the pc that it has nothing on the ps4, its beyond my expectations and if the price point is cheaper than the PS3 was at first i'm going to be pretty surprised, i'd well invest £400 into one as building a pc or upgrading a current one to that level of detail is going to be a similiar price if not more i'd imagine, AMD announced and revealed their 8000 series not long ago which will probably be around the scale of what we'll get in Next Gen consoles for our computers, i think it doesn't matter what console or computer your playing on, its beautiful to get a glimpse into the future as much as we got to tonight, Sony have 100% surprised the s**t out of me and i'm looking forward to seeing what the actual system looks like and how microsoft is going to top this, if they did though it wouldn't surprise me as i wasn't thinking Sony could show something as good as they did tonight, 2+ hours went past but when it finished off i was surprised, it went in so quick for me, i think all of us gamers should be pretty blown away with this, of course someone will say its s**t at one point just because they feel like it (infact i bet someone already has, spoil sports) but this is a huge step forward for gaming and us gamers who f**king Love this form of media and i can't wait to experience the next gen all over again in an better than ever before quality.

I Didn't mean to make this so long but damn i'm Hyped, i thought i loved my videogames before but seeing all that i think i'll be having serious issues with not being able to get off the game by next year, hats off to sony for making a person who's really just prefered the pc's for the past 3 years extremely impressed with their new console.

ianson on 21 Feb '13 said:

Amazing social features.
Epic hardware Stats.
Improved controller.
Cloud features that could be game changing.
Play while you download.
Killzone has colour now.

Wonders beyond imagining.

DAEDALUS79 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Thought the show was brilliant, everything I was hoping for was delivered by Sony, and its taken me by surprise. We dont know the release date, price or what it looks like, but those are small details. Watch dogs, killzone and Knack looked brilliant. Overall im really excited for the ps4 after watching that, and have my pre-order made!!!

chedda memba on 21 Feb '13 said:

Well being more of an xbox gamer/fan i thought they did a pretty good job of getting the message across regarding ps4's ease of developement and use. Im quite excited now about the ps4 and will probably buy both consoles. I dont think microsoft will be too worried though and im pretty sure the new Xbox will show the same features and even more. Either way next gen cant come quick enough.

toaplan on 21 Feb '13 said:

+1 for Gogglesz

Great show! Powerful specs, fantastic-looking next-gen games (Killzone, Drive Club were my favourites) and real-time demoes (UE4), Vita remote play for PS4 games, PS1/2/3 games via Gaikai... pretty much everything I wanted.

Of course they could have shown even more games, such as a glimpse of next-gen Gran Turismo, a next-gen sports game or a fighting game etc. Can't wait to see more at E3!

FIecher on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

Sorry pal but you're far wide of the mark, as a 10 year XBox subscriber this showing impressed me more than many of recent years and both the PS3's and XBox 360's back in the day. I'm a massive hater of the PS controller but this one looks a lot better with hand grip queues taken from the XBox 360 controller and better triggers, including capture and share buttons it's a lot better. Microsoft are going to have to come out with something very special to contend here as Sony have taken their criticism and came back strong. I suppose it's the inner 13 year old fanboy in you.

Fr33Kye on 21 Feb '13 said:

Too be fair paradaz, if you said last generation that the next generation of consoles will only give us the same but prettier you'd be wrong. It's easy to not notice, but this generation changed a lot and brought us a lot. The rise of arcade and indie, completely new types of games, much better multiplayer, etc.

I'm not too sure about the controller. I like that it's called a light bar rather than a trackingsomething. I feel like move stylr tracking would be kind of useless. I think the fact that it can change colors will probably mean more at the end of the day, seriously, i like that it can change colors. It also looks a bit small though i cant be sure. The sticks look better, not great. I dont know about the usefulness of a touchpad. I worry it makes the controller too complex for users. I guess we'll find out. The controller isnt bad, but idk if it's great. Oh and definitely be wary of how well the streaming works.

Sony did a really good job with software though. Microsoft have a chance to blow people away with the console and kinect 2, but it's the software that defines the experience. They have the money but do they have the first party to back it up? I expect a forza that puts them head to head against driver's club, but i hate forza. It's way too soon for halo. So third parties and new ip's will have to bring the heat. Kinect 2 has a lot of capability supposedly but microsoft need the software ideas to make it eorthwhile. Otherwise they'll fall at the feet of their competitors. Expect even more pr bulls**t and flare from microsofts presentation, but who knows about everything else.

Madbrit2K5 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Where was the bang?!
Felt lacklustre for a console anauncement, just showing the controller? What is this Nintendo?
Too many tech demo's, although the all important in-game footage looked cool.
Social side has potential but a console is about gameplay not facebook.
On the plus side it sounds much more developer friendly, thank god the 'cell' is no more

JPTiger on 21 Feb '13 said:

Look out. We have a tough guy here...

But in all honesty, if you have seen that showing, and are not impressed, either you are a fanboy, or you do not grasp the technical, creative or even imaginative availabilities that the PS4 has to offer, just from that 2 hour showing.

And yes, I own a 360, and yes, I hated the controller when I first saw it. But kinect 2, the ability to project games onto the wall around your tv and possibly the "functionality" to block used games, with the added "always-connected" requirement? I'd rather not.

Oh come on.........if 'sculpting isn't a gimmick I dont know what is. The whole event just screamed ' Emotion Engine' to me. Lots of fancy crap about imagination and creativity....

Forgive me for being pessemistic, but we've seen and heard it all before. We're gamers aren't we?....I couldnt give a stuff about fluffy tigers in a field of daisies.....show us the spec and power that will provide the next-gen games. If anyone gets carried away by this sort of tosh then more fool them.....if you think the PS4 and 720 are really going to offer anything more than the same games of this generation but at 1080p and 30-60fps then frankly you're on a different planet.

I think Sony have gone out of the blocks far too early in a rush to make the announcement first....I think the most exciting thing that came out of the whole event for console gamers should be the announcement of Diablo 3 and I hate that piece of s**t.

If you want a powerhouse, get a high performance PC. I used to be a graphics fanboy, but like it or not, the average gamer is changing. Almost every game that comes out, I could say that I've seen those games and concepts before.

And if you're thinking that the next gen is just offering more fps at 1080p, then again, go to PC, because it has it all there from the get go.

FIecher on 21 Feb '13 said:

I really hope Microsoft have a contender up their sleeve and not just more furry Kinect crap, the business needs contention for ideas and evolution to flow. It does not however need fanboys, they're like to arse worms of the gaming world, annoy you to f**k and worth ramming cyanide up your arse to get rid of.

jeffery6803 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Actually very good.

Games focused, a drive to deliver; developer friendly and a strong line up of names - sadly they all kind of droned on but that's to be expected.

The Bungie family being paraded about made me laugh, they all looked super awkward.

I did chuckle when I thought of Nintendo. Not going to lie, the Wii U looks like an utter s**tbox in comparison - sorry Ninty fans but holding out for iterations of the same IPs worth buying a Wii U for? 3rd party support is going to be meagre at best, especially when MS return fire with their (apparent) monster.

Looking forward to them becoming a software developer now looks more likely. Shareholders are not going to be pleased about this one, watching the press is going to be interesting.

But I digress...

Highlight for me was the live sculpting. A nice fresh idea, no family crap or gimmicks, the idea was allowed to simply state itself and it was all the better for it.

Colour me excited - it seems the total clusterf**k of development and release of the PS3 had given Sony the drive to deliver this time - they want the market back and frankly they're going the right way about it.

Now... if MS have made some stupid social brick in an attempt to out Wii the Wii then Sony might have this gen in the bag.

Enjoyable. I give it 8 chainsaws out of 10.

Looked like PS 3.5

DiamondDogs on 21 Feb '13 said:

Can't believe people are posting "Wii U is finished" and "sorry ninty fans" The PS4 as a console is great I'm not gonna lie but the ignorance in this article from some people is ridiculous. Nintendo are not going anywhere. Sony are not going anywhere. Microsoft are not going anywhere. And all these consoles will offer one thing or another their competitors won't, as gamers we're spoiled for choice and yet still not happy and have to resort to ridiculous name calling and labels. I'm a Wii U owner myself and haven't been this happy with a console in quite a while but I'm also a fan of both the PS and Xbox. Specifications for a console mean nothing if there's no software to back it up. I know all three will deliver and look forward to it.

Barca Azul on 21 Feb '13 said:

I thought it was a clever teaser and very well supported event from the industry. Looking forward to seeing more about it. E3 will be huge this year.

I'll be interested to see what the MS have to offer too.

Having seen what they have shown so far as an overall package and no signs of the real big guns, it doesn't look great for the Wii U already.

starsail on 21 Feb '13 said:

Expected:
Lots and lots of PR drivel.
A machine that was slightly more powerful than PS3 (but just as complex) to be revealed.
Lots of shiny tech demos but no games.
No show of the actual console.

What was presented:
Lots of PR drivel.
A vastly more powerful machine (count the 8gb mem) and surprisingly based on easier tech to develop from.
The new Killzone game, a new Evolution game, a new Media Molecule game, a new Infamous game, new exclusive gamplay footage of Watchdogs, a very special looking Capcom title and a better Destiny reveal than the official Destiny reveal.
No show of the actual console.

Conclusion, this for me blew every E3 show out of the water and it's good to see Sony are listening to gamers and developers alike. For gamers, the online focus shows it doesn't intend to underestimate Live and online gaming again (they ignored it for 2 generations) and the reveal in social focus is staggering, if somewhat overkill, but then again, it's better to have variety. It will be interesting to see how MS's next Xbox Live service matches up
For devs, it looks like they have built it on familiar tech so devs can get the most out of it without straining. Looking forward to this. Then the soon to be launch day is to gain a foothold in the market and is a great strategy but strongly depending on one vital reason, pricing (E3 perhaps?).

I'm disappointed they haven't went with (or revealed) the split dual shock. The new dual shock is a bit ugly and somewhat disappointing. Ah well but what a show and its clear of Sony's eagerness to win back the market in the West. I think it will be very difficult for MS to top this showing and if they reveal a new Halo, Forza and Gears of War then I think their platform will be looking decidedly doomed, so I hope not. I hope they offer something that will match the show tonight and reignite the old console battles of the 16 bit era that driven exclusive focused quality.

Wii U I fear will continue to decline (maybe saved by a new 3D Mario or Zelda) in sales. At present I have no intention to buy their product as I've been playing its type of games for 7 years or so now, and an extra screen adds nothing too it worth spending hundreds of pounds on. Plus Sony have already made clear of their streaming intentions for users who want it making Ninty's purported selling point redundant by superior tech.

Windowlicker79 on 21 Feb '13 said:

OK I'm just going to say it.
This really looks like the beginning of consoles overtaking PC in graphical capabilities. I've never seen a PC game looking as great as some of the stuff shown tonight.

billysastard on 21 Feb '13 said:

pretty good show overall, but did they learn nothing form nintendo's e3 where they forgot to show the actual console?

eyetoy 3 looks like some chinese kinect knock off, hopefully they will improve the design a little before launch.

a little concerned about the always online requirements including auto downloading games they think you might buy, especially for those with download caps.

very concerned that the entire show was download this and stream that, could rumours of it being a psp go v2 be correct?

no bc is pretty shameful, streaming repurchased titles is a bit of a kick in the nuts for ps3 fans with their game collections.

how much is it going to cost to own it in a fully usable form? console + more moves (lets assume that people own a couple of them to start with) + a ps vita + a tablet / cellphone.

Cogglesz on 21 Feb '13 said:

Bloody hell Cogglesz!!!......I get the impression you had the little fella in your hand whilst watching the event
It certainly looks to be a life changing experience for you lol

When you've been an avid gamer most your whole life, this sort of evolution in game tech really impresses me (i'm a gamer and thats the only reason why i'm registered here on CVG and why i stayed up late to watch this tonight), regardless of the box or name the fact is this is a proper next generation console at hand here and every developer will be looking to produce games of a quality shown tonight, instead of moaning about what you think they missed out, try and appreciate the time and effort put into this, most of the show was realtime game footage and i fully understand about sony and its tricks, especially the ones with fake footage made for its PS3 Reveal back in E3 of 2005 with Killzone 2 but we've seen third party games that will be out on all next gen platforms in action tonight running on the ps4 which is more than enough proof to say its for real, Unreal wouldn't let sony take their new engine and lie about it being realtime running on that system considering that tech demo is what they made to show what they 'Wanted' from console makers and if that didn't impress you as a gamer then i'm not sure what kind of gamer you must be, considering a massive amount of games are produced on Unreal Tech now a days, i always look forward to whats in store for us as this medium of gaming keeps evolving and growing every generation, to me it seems sony has learned from alot of the mistakes they made with the playstation 3 that riddle it with the weakest ports and gave devs what they've wanted and i hope that lets them express themselves better than ever before with never before seen quality, explain to me why thats a bad thing? as you are just spouting negativety and taking cheap shots at people like myself who love gaming, not xbox or playstation or pc, but Gaming itself, I'm looking forward to seeing what MS has in store for the new gen, as i didn't think the consoles would ever impress me as much as the PS4 has tonight, it went beyond my expectations and that was watching it through an internet live stream, nevermind when we'll finally see it up close on our own tv's, why'd you even bother watching it if you'd already have a biased opinion on it and sony? it was the best reveal in many years.

tanukilou on 21 Feb '13 said:

I thought that was very promising. After a few segments the whole thing was pretty much focussed on games. Developers were put at the forefront and good looking software was where it was at. So what if it didn't show the console, it delivered one clear message..

this thing is about GAMES.

Fr33Kye on 21 Feb '13 said:

Paradaz they always promise big. I'm saying if when the ps3 was announced you said we were just gonna get the same but prettier from both consoles you'd be wrong. I'm expecting new games. I'm hoping for social experiences that don't amount to pr bulls**t, and i'm hoping for motion control experiences that actually do justice to the playstation move.

Kinect 2 may be a huge deal outside of gaming, i dont know yet, but it needs the software to make the device worthwhile onthe nextbox. I mean think about all the games that got made for kinect this gen, from microsoft's first party. Microsoft want to make an accessible, social multiplayer experience. Tracking more users is great but will they be able to deliver on something that capitalizes on the improved accuracy?

thelazyone on 21 Feb '13 said:

my thoughts

NO BOX? = NO SHOW!!!

but 8gb = HOLY s**t FACE.

Either way its

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb21 ... ziRede.jpg

toaplan on 21 Feb '13 said:

@Toaplan
Out of interest which 'powerful specs' did you see? Did you get access to a secret feed that no-one else did?

I'm re-watching the presentation now This is what Mark Cerny - that slightly scruffy-looking Legend - said:

- 8 GB of unified GDDR5 RAM @ 176 GB / sec (the speed providing a further boost to GPU performance)
- 8 CPU cores
- Highly "enhanced" / customized GPGPU (general purpose GPU)
- almost 2 TeraFlops of overall computational power
("processing power an exponential leap over its predecessors")

Fr33Kye on 21 Feb '13 said:

Oh and remember, most things are available on pc already, but in order for it to reach the masses the average user has to be able to do it with ease. These things have to be built-in in order to know whether they will be appreciated or not. I dont think anyone gives a s**t about trophy's on facebook, i hope sony dont think they do. My fist instinct when it comes to streaming is to ask who gives a s**t, no one really wants to share that stuff, but if it's incredibly easy to do and OF COURSE the right games are made i could sort of imagine people appreciating it. It being available already on pc doesnt mean much and i think you know that. Part of me doesnt give a s**t about watching other people play games, but i think it depends on the game, and the person.

billysastard on 21 Feb '13 said:

having watched it again (jumping the boring bits)all i can think of is this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ

MKMCI on 21 Feb '13 said:

Couldn't of put it better myself coggz mate, well said!
A few trolls in here, not that it was unexpected...

Personally, I absolutely loved all of it!
Bit disappointed with the controller, thought it was going to get a PSP E1000 w/ a resistive touchscreen & a share/headphone jack of some sort, or even a E500
Even a 3inch screen where the touchpad is...

Loll, two weeks ago I was saying '20th can't come soon enough'
Now, Christmas can't come soon enough haha,

PSV & PS4 (together) will do astronomical things tbh

Tokei-ihto on 21 Feb '13 said:

As I've said in another post tonight, I think Sony's rush to get the announcement out first will only backfire.

Any Sony hype will be lost the minute Microsoft trump it with their news and their new console is the hot topic.

And from where is Microsoft going to conjure a console that has a clear advantage over what Sony just showed, making it a superior alternative instead of just more of the same? I mean, the specs (and features) of the PS4 were pretty much known for some time now, it really was only a matter of official confirmation. The same goes for Microsoft's next Xbox iteration. And there's no indication whatsoever that Xbox 720 will surpass the performance capabilities of the PS4 or feature some outrageous properties that puts it ahead. Overall they'll bring the same specs and features (and social support bulls**t) to the table, with the tech gap between the two competing consoles in all likelihood being even smaller than during the last generation.

So what great, paradigm shifting feature will Microsoft introduce to get the better of Sony?
Perhaps the price? But then I seriously doubt that Sony will make the same mistake twice. Judging from everything they have done so far, it seems to have learned an important and valuable lesson from the PS3's botched launch.

They will also be able to show much more content and real footage/facts by leaving it a lot closer to the console release date.

Uh, as will Sony at E3 or TGS later this year. And remember, we haven't seen anything yet from Santa Monica Studios (God of War), Naughty Dog (Uncharted), Konami (Metal Gear Solid) and the likes. I'm convinced that the summer will hold lots of great looking footage & game announcements for the PS4.

Honestly, in terms of exclusives games & studios that develop solely for Microsoft's system it looks rather dire, even more so than last couple of years - hell, even Bungie is now working for Sony!

And in the end, if the past has told us anything, it will be foremost games that will make the difference, especially since this time around there is no DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray support to throw into the equation.

thelazyone on 21 Feb '13 said:

Can people stop cussing the wiiu, u all did this back in 2006 when the ps3 looked like a beast.

PS4 looks like Godzilla but the wiiu will do fine, prehaps not as great as the wii but don't write it off because the heads making games for that machine already look more intuitive than the demos we saw today (graphics weren't ground breaking people).

Dalaeck on 21 Feb '13 said:

This looks like a PS3 with minor steroid and male enhancement. As a PC/nintendo gamer in the last generation none of these games, hardware are designed to improve the PS3 formula. I don't know what they're thinking. Unless the price tag is ridiculously low, there's not much new here.

SavageEvil on 21 Feb '13 said:

I like the fact that PS4 presentation was all about gaming at it's core. No ridiculous light show and weird onstage goofy stuff just tech speak and what they are aiming to do. 8GB of DDR5, that's one pricey amount of RAM but seems like Sony are making good on their promise not to strike out a third time with another hard to code for system. I am at ease thus far with Sony's direction, now up next MS, I'm not too enthused by all the murmuring about set top box crap and things that have nothing to do with gaming being cramped into my video game system...but I will wait until MS reveals all. Right now Sony is definitely ahead with system specs and overall direction the game maker is taking.

Nintendo will be fine as they have their own market and always brings the AAA titles, if you have time to waste bashing the system just proves you are less of a gamer and more of a sheep who thinks his system makes him more manly. Wii U and PS4 are definitely going to be purchased, what MS has in store for us with Xbox will decide if I'll pick that up as well. Yay for gaming, I think.

thelazyone on 21 Feb '13 said:

Nintendo will be fine as they have their own market and always brings the AAA titles, if you have time to waste bashing the system just proves you are less of a gamer and more of a sheep who thinks his system makes him more manly. Wii U and PS4 are definitely going to be purchased, what MS has in store for us with Xbox will decide if I'll pick that up as well. Yay for gaming, I think.

+1000, great point.

Fr33Kye on 21 Feb '13 said:

We shouldnt write off the wiiu jist because we are feeling hyped about the ps4, but we also have to remember, what sold the wii was wiisports. A novel, fun, and simple multiplayer experience that helped define the console. The wiiu has no equivelant atm, but it does have nintendo behind it. Dont fly off the handle.

And sony really need to start moving some vitas. If they can use some momentum the playstation brand will get from the ps4 then great, but they need to do something.

We have to hope sony dont get cocky with the price. We're likely going to hear some disappointing news whem the dust settles. People will be sad about bc and we can only hope their online services work as well as they promise.

silentboy12 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Even though i have been a strong Nintendo supporter for about 10 years or so, i am willing to give the PS4 a try provided the "pre-owned not being allowed to be played on the system" is false (sorry i missed the whole announcement as i had plans so i don't know whats confirmed and not) with sleeping dogs looking to be a great game on the system i will defo give it a shot, after"catching up" i am thoroughly impressed, about time i give a Sony console a try since the ps1 era

thelazyone on 21 Feb '13 said:

Even though i have been a strong Nintendo supporter for about 10 years or so, i am willing to give the PS4 a try provided the "pre-owned not being allowed to be played on the system" is false (sorry i missed the whole announcement as i had plans so i don't know whats confirmed and not) with sleeping dogs looking to be a great game on the system i will defo give it a shot, after"catching up" i am thoroughly impressed, about time i give a Sony console a try since the ps1 era

Sice the ps1??? give them a try, the ps3 is still a beast and theres pleeeeeeenty of games still to play on that!!

watchdogs looks nice but clearly that will be on all systems!

silentboy12 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Sice the ps1??? give them a try, the ps3 is still a beast and theres pleeeeeeenty of games still to play on that!!

watchdogs looks nice but clearly that will be on all systems!

true about watchdogs, but the reason i say ps1 and not ps2 (even though i own both) is cause that's where many of my childhood memories come from (i know it sounds sad and nostalgic) with games like Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, tomba, oddworld abe series etc. i loved it too much when i was a kid however with the ps2 and ps3 i preferred the GameCube and Xbox 360 respectively (i'm not saying either of the consoles were bad in any way) but after hearing the stories of how you won't be able to play borrowed/pre-owned games on the new xbox and the current price of the wii-u in the UK, i am more than willing to give the ps4 a try

illage2 on 21 Feb '13 said:

RIP PS3 2013!!!

billysastard on 21 Feb '13 said:

the current price of the wii-u in the UK, i am more than willing to give the ps4 a try

zavvi are doing the wii u pro pack for £229 now

goggy on 21 Feb '13 said:

Well, that was pretty underwhelming! And this, coming from a Wii u Owner, ouch.

Seriously though, using 12 month old tech demos to show off your new console, how embarrassing.

The only stuff that vaguely looked interesting to me was the social stuff, and tbh, i would probably never use it anyway. And lets be fair, most of you probably wouldn't either.

Killzone looked ok, but hardly next gen(what a surprise).

And wtf was that Knack game, looked f**king aweful.

Diablo 3...why?

Never thought i would ever say this, but i can see the nextbox completely destroying the PS4, in terms of what it Will do.

This one is for the Nintendo bashers, Lol.....

Nintendo have got absolutely nothing to worry about.

gayrath on 21 Feb '13 said:

I haven't had a chance to watch the full meeting yet, work has just conspired against me. But skim reading all the articles has me really excited for the PS4. The specs look good, I really like the look of all the sharing stuff, and the creative console demo as just fantastic. What a great thing to have and do!

I'm not completely sold on the pad yet. I will need to get my hands on one to see how it feels, and it was a bit of a shame that the console itself wasn't shown off. But E3 is right around the corner and I guess they have to hold something back for that.

I'll have a much closer look through it all tonight, but so far I am impressed!

OK Microsoft, your move.

sbradley88 on 21 Feb '13 said:

RIP PS3 2013!!!

You need to take notice of what the red text under your comment says before making comments like this. Like the ps2 before it, Sony will no doubt carry on releasing titles well into the life cycle of the ps4.

richomack360 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Well, that was pretty underwhelming! And this, coming from a Iwata Fanboy, ouch.

Seriously though, the WiiU presentation using 12 year old franchises to show off your new console, how embarrassing.

The only stuff that vaguely looked interesting to me was the gimmicky controller, which is one step up from a child's V-Tech device, and tbh, i would probably never use it anyway. And lets be fair, most of you probably wouldn't either.

Mario looked ok, but hardly next gen(what a surprise).

And wtf was that Nintendo Land game, looked f**king aweful.

..another Donkey Kong...why?

Never thought i would ever say this, but i can see the nextbox and PS4 completely destroying the WiiU, in terms of what it will do.

This one is for the gaming industry, Lol.....

People who already own a Wii have got absolutely nothing to worry about.

Fixed

Love ya goggy Are you going to be getting either the nextbox or next PS ? - or sticking with the Wii U ? Just wondering

Resident Dante on 21 Feb '13 said:

Interesting conference, was expecting more, did experience a wow moment when the killzone demo was played but that was it really. Suppose will see what Microsoft are doing, then will make a decision with regards to buying a ps4 or nextbox. As for the Wii U is finished comments lol, no really lol, some people on this forum really dont have a clue, no doubt these are the same people that said the 3DS was finished.

cupoftea on 21 Feb '13 said:

Any idea when the eu get this bad boy it says holiday 2013but is that for America any awns ear would be good

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

http://i.123g.us/c/gen_sorry/card/108918.gif

Krzysztof on 21 Feb '13 said:

all about new ps4 here -> http://facebook.com/ps4game

fritzfrapp on 21 Feb '13 said:

Awful, really awful.
Didn't dare think Sony could put out a presentation this bad. No gameplay innovation all night and no fun. The only slightly interesting thing was Ono of Capcom trolling Monster Hunter.
Monstrous budgets and more risk-adverse publishers will just lead to slightly prettier graphics (with plenty of crappy 30FPS frame-rates if Killzone was anything to go by) and less interesting and less diverse gameplay. Apple wins. Nintendo survives as usual. Will be interesting to see what Microsoft come up with, though I fear the worst in a Kinect-heavy sort of way.

getup2k on 21 Feb '13 said:

Check Eurogamer guys, Sony have confirmed used game are playable

Old Skool Gamer on 21 Feb '13 said:

Look's like pre owned games will NOT be blocked:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... used-games

rhyfel on 21 Feb '13 said:

the console seems ok but that controller it looks to much like the duelshock to me ie small.

KK-Headcharge78 on 21 Feb '13 said:

My thoughts;

+ Impresive specs by my limited knowledge
+ Nice interface and interesting friend interaction features could be cool (wonder if it has party chat:)
+ Watch Dogs, Driver Club, Killzone and the Square Enix showing looked epic
+ If you cut through the marketing gumpf it is good to see Sony have learnt from mistakes on security, 3rd party dev support, better relations with devs, crap friend connectivity and been left behind with exclusive content
+ Been able to download in the background would be ace, and play games once they have downloaded a fraction of the game

- The controller looks pants to me
- There appears (and this is likely true of all the next gen) to be a massive reliance to been online all the time
- There was a lot of hot air about the social side and the 'possibilities' which frankly left me a bit underwhelmed
- 'Krank' looked s**t
- The majority of the indie stuff shown looked boring
- No actual shot of the machine was an epic fail imo

All in all it was promising and I'm very interested to see more, without perhaps as much crap.....

Daminic19 on 21 Feb '13 said:

That conference was Awesome..Sony pulled it out the bag.
Next up is Microsoft.
Im scared for Nintendo and the wiiu and so should they..the only reason why wii survived is mainly because of all the casuals buying the console and games, now the casuals Dont care about the wiiu.

Simon Carlin on 21 Feb '13 said:

I cant see M$ being that bothered at all.

That's because MS isn't one person but a company and therefore incapable of worry.

Sorry to take the p**s but isn't this just pointless? The only people that actually care about issues like this are a bunch of weirdos on the internet.

cult on 21 Feb '13 said:

the current price of the wii-u in the UK, i am more than willing to give the ps4 a try

zavvi are doing the wii u pro pack for £229 now

Its gone up £5 since last week.
I bloody hate scalpers

Tepescovir on 21 Feb '13 said:

1.8 Teraflops? they are joking, right? My game pc clocks at over 10 teraflops. That is going to be a huge bottleneck in a year or 2

FixBeatGames on 21 Feb '13 said:

gotta be honest, i'm seriously impressed!

* great system specs, 1080 60fps games here we come finally...

* great controller that thankfully hasn't changed much (i've been used to ps controllers since ps one released, if they changed it alot this time, or OMG copied the awful (for my hands) 360 controller, i would've been p**sed). i think people worried about 'ps move' now being standard are overlooking the controller design. imagine COD, where you play as normal but can make fine tweeks to your aim by pointing the controller from a comfortable position on your lap... hell yeah! also, you need to know how damn well 'ps move' works with killzone 3 on ps3, it's amazing. i'm very excited about this controller.

* great network features, i LOVE the idea of people using their real names/profiles for gaming instead of troll-friendly 'gamer tags'. love the idea of pausing a game and a friend taking over to do abit for you over the network.

* great launch titles! media molecule being there, even if they did just have a tech demo, makes me happy. i can't wait to see what they come up with next, literally no other game EVER has given me more hours of fun than little big planet 1/2. bound to be plenty more launch titles announced too, including the standard ps3 games with enhanced visuals ports i'd imagine. (the last of us, grand theft auto 5 spring to mind)

i can't really think of anything bad to say. not seeing the console design makes no difference to me, i don't know how many of you stare at your actual console when you're playing GAMES, but i don't. where's gran turismo 6? i would be totally shocked if it was anywhere near a launch titles going by ps3/gt5 fiasco.

now... the price?

Christian77 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Why does the dual shock 4 still have the sticks in the middle close together?
It's bad design, whenever I play FPS games on my PS3 my thumbs keep meeting in the middle and clashing.
I much prefer the Xbox controller's layout of sticks no where near each other.

The machine itself is looking good specs wise.
I think Sony will shoot themselves in the foot though if they can't get the PS4 out in Europe before 2014 and the nextbox comes out before Xmas 2013 in Europe.

I have both the PS3 and Xbox 360 this gen but I might just stick to the Nextbox next gen as most of my friends are on Xbox and other than the infamous games, Uncharted games and Heavy Rain I didn't find the PS3 exclusives compelling enough to justify both machines (I've bought pretty much all the PS3 exclusives that matter).

FixBeatGames on 21 Feb '13 said:

1.8 Teraflops? they are joking, right? My game pc clocks at over 10 teraflops. That is going to be a huge bottleneck in a year or 2

no it isn't. give me a list of games that even need 2 teraflops let alone 10. you my friend, are vastly over-clocking your pc for absolutely no reason.

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

I have the terrors of the flops as well, though mine has never had performance issues. It runs very fast when the eye candy is maxed out.

RonaldoCarrazedo on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

Here is a quick example of how to be an annoying FANBOY. Unless you have powers to predict the future when you say M$ will be a lot better otherwise keep lousy comments to yourself. If you were a truly gamer you would have been extremely exited about what the system has to offer regarding games, cloud games, social network, etc, not slacking the system off for sthg M$ has not even showed yet.

FixBeatGames on 21 Feb '13 said:

Why does the dual shock 4 still have the sticks in the middle close together?
It's bad design, whenever I play FPS games on my PS3 my thumbs keep meeting in the middle and clashing.
I much prefer the Xbox controller's layout of sticks no where near each other.

because it's the best design. i'm a grown man and my thumbs don't touch with both sticks pushed towards the center, AND these sticks have been moved further apart, read the article, so that should stop your over-grown hands's problem.

for ME, the 360 controller is terrible, my hands and body are symmetrical, a 360 controller is not, so it feels unnatural FOR ME. i've been using playstation controllers for well over 13 years and can't think why anyone would suddenly want them to change the design now?

WHITEyy118 on 21 Feb '13 said:

I wouldn't say impressed or blown away come to mind but it certainly wasn't awful. Only reason it lacked it because SONY didn't want to put all their eggs in one basket (I hope).

With the way people are nowadays who would buy a PS4 if SONY showed everything now, 8-12 months before the release, when MS will show their next box after, and closer, to it's release.

ive.seen.green on 21 Feb '13 said:

Sat waiting with baited breath to see this new beast.... watched the first 15 minutes or so, seen the controller and fell asleep, not outa boredom, early work times

I have to say though, it seams sony have been listening to their money suppliers. The controller looks chunkier and possibly larger, better triggers and sticks with thumb bits. 8Gb Ram, surely that cant bottle neck like the pathetic amount in the PS3. Cross game chat aswell as all that social crap bundled in. Even the show, from flashy lights and sonys montage and philosophical patter introduction, straight into.. yeah were sony weve made this cool thing and its called the playstation 4... let the event begin. Think they must have been trawling more forums than i have, to kick this thing off the right way.

I didnt expect much from the event, I expected a teaser at best, and thats what they delivered... keep the audience wanting more.. I do!! roll on E3.. b*****ks to that, roll on christmas

Im just thinking of how long the excitement lasts when everyone has one and they start removing features, ala linux on ps3. the glitchy bits that dont work so well, will cross game chat still be there come firmware release v3. In my eyes sony giveth and taketh awayeth againeth.

As far as the console wars go.. most people i know just buy the ones theyre used too, Ive always had PS, most my mates go xbox.. and will again regardless of system specs. I like gran turismo, they like forza, kind of thing.

The wiiu wont die a death, I thought the orininal wii would...I prayed the original wii would, I thought my speccy 48k had better graphics... but they hit a niche, the amount of newcomers to gaming the wii introduced, my missus, her mates.. even my feckin granny played bowling, give them a ps3 controller and they s**te their pants respect to nintendo on that one

..oh man gta5 on ps4... time for a wank

the end

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

Ronaldo you'll have to ignore posters like Agent75, S-Smith, Stealth, Bambis Dad, goggy and the other trolls we get here.

Get Over Here on 21 Feb '13 said:

Fr33kye.......how is the last gen even relevant? No such claims were ever made.

What exactly are you expecting from this gen if you are disputing it or have an opinion yourself?

I'm really not expecting much more than 1080p, 30-60fps and a much faster progression into digital distribution and potentially more competition from digital outlets if Sony/M$ allow it to happen

The horsepower available will obviously improve the graphical abilities within console games but thats a given.

Other than that I dont see much happening. If M$ can pull off Kinect 2 (especially with rumoured 6-person tracking)then the potential there is massive, not just for gaming but in integrated technology with TV's and internet for gestures etc. It could have its place as a wireless version of the PC TrackIR which adds so much to the immersion of games.

As for sharing/recording footage and watching your mates play games and utilising the cloud....big deal, hardly a game changer- it just means the likes of Facebook and Youtube get clogged up with amateur rubbish. As I'm primarily a PC Gamer, all this has being possible for donkeys years and its something that adds value to a small number of people but ultimately the novelty isnt likely to last long.

Give me cross platform gaming and then we're talking big strides. We all know its possible but do console manufacturers have the balls to allow it?.....they would obviously hate their competitors to have a multiplat game that gives advantages to owners of a specific brand name!

As a PC gamer, are you not impressed that the Killzone gameplay video looked better than Crysis 3 maxed out on a PC?

You see, that was what everyone was telling us - that the new gen wouldn't show anything better than on PC.

I'm a PC gamer myself and there's nothing out there that looks as good as that Killzone video. The textures, the scale etc.

Get Over Here on 21 Feb '13 said:

Just watched the Killzone vid again and it looks even better when you are not watching it on a 240p stream or whatever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkAk1GPO ... e=youtu.be

Christian77 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Why does the dual shock 4 still have the sticks in the middle close together?
It's bad design, whenever I play FPS games on my PS3 my thumbs keep meeting in the middle and clashing.
I much prefer the Xbox controller's layout of sticks no where near each other.

because it's the best design. i'm a grown man and my thumbs don't touch with both sticks pushed towards the center, AND these sticks have been moved further apart, read the article, so that should stop your over-grown hands's problem.

for ME, the 360 controller is terrible, my hands and body are symmetrical, a 360 controller is not, so it feels unnatural FOR ME. i've been using playstation controllers for well over 13 years and can't think why anyone would suddenly want them to change the design now?

You're probably a migit though
I'm 6ft4 with hands the size of shovels and I dislike using the PS3 dualshock because my thumbs keep meeting.
If they are wider apart on the dualshock 4 then great, looked the same to me in the picture.

I dunno why you need a symmetrical gamepad though, that's a bit weird.
Something staying the same for 13 years isn't really that good either, I'd prefer innovation in that time

FixBeatGames on 21 Feb '13 said:

nought wrong with innovation mate, but why innovate something that doesn't need innovating? i'm not a midget btw

console_whore on 21 Feb '13 said:

8 gig, is that all, It'll look s**t in 2 years

ive.seen.green on 21 Feb '13 said:

I dunno why you need a symmetrical gamepad though, that's a bit weird.
Something staying the same for 13 years isn't really that good either, I'd prefer innovation in that time

+1 for symmetry, I dunno if the controller looks so awesome, but I reckon it'll be awesome to use since the niggles have been altered.

as for staying the same for 13 years, tell that to les paul and Mr fender. If it works, dont fix it .. much

iucidium on 21 Feb '13 said:

Oh come on.........if 'sculpting isn't a gimmick I dont know what is. The whole event just screamed ' Emotion Engine' to me. Lots of fancy crap about imagination and creativity....

Forgive me for being pessemistic, but we've seen and heard it all before. We're gamers aren't we?....I couldnt give a stuff about fluffy tigers in a field of daisies.....show us the spec and power that will provide the next-gen games. If anyone gets carried away by this sort of tosh then more fool them.....if you think the PS4 and 720 are really going to offer anything more than the same games of this generation but at 1080p and 30-60fps then frankly you're on a different planet.

I think Sony have gone out of the blocks far too early in a rush to make the announcement first....I think the most exciting thing that came out of the whole event for console gamers should be the announcement of Diablo 3 and I hate that piece of s**t.

I think you have lost your way dude. Gaming is about experiences, emotions, adventure. Sony is trying to re-kindle that.

mij on 21 Feb '13 said:

Day 1 purchase mofos.....day 1....its gonna be brilliant.....my old day 1 fat Ps3 is getting a little brother.....man I'm hyped

Ali_ on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

If the leaked specs last month are true, it'll have to be. Sony are quoting a performance of 1.84Tflops where the MS document stated 1.2 Tflops. That's a big difference.

Ali_ on 21 Feb '13 said:

8 gig, is that all, It'll look s**t in 2 years

PC blah, blah, out of date, blah, blah, upgradeable, blah, blah, 90 billion TFlops, blah, blah.....we've heard it all before. We like consoles. We don't care.

KK-Headcharge78 on 21 Feb '13 said:

8 gig, is that all, It'll look s**t in 2 years

PC blah, blah, out of date, blah, blah, upgradeable, blah, blah, 90 billion TFlops, blah, blah.....we've heard it all before. We like consoles. We don't care.

This. Why do some PC gamers imagine for one minute that console gamers give a flying f**k what their machine does. Most console and PC gamers chose their path long ago (aside from those who have both who have perhaps some credibility in expressing their views) these systems may play the same games but the payoffs on both sides are obvious unless you are a bit dim ergo as a console gamer I have no interest in PC specs and the apparent one man dick waving that goes on upon the announcement of new console tech. I choose consoles on the basis of price, accessibility, ease of use, game trade value, no need for ongoing upgrades, perceived better support and the simple fact that most of friends have the same console as me for online play.

So button it please, no console gamers give a s**t

S-Smith on 21 Feb '13 said:

It sounds BRILLIANT DAY 1 for me;)

ashadian on 21 Feb '13 said:

A very good initial showing of the PS4. Sony are obviously holding back some things for E3 and spoilers for when Microsoft decide to show their console. Its good to see that they have learned from their previous mistakes. The console is powerful and flexible with a good amount of Ram. I also like the new controller and the trackpad could be brilliant for aiming in fps.
Most developers agree that its more powerful than the Durango and easier to develop for. This was a massive bottleneck foe Sony last gen.
Nintendo are Nintendo and have their own market. People will always buy their first party games but i don't think they will have the success that Wii had.
Microsoft will have to pull out something spectacular to trump Sony this time. I hate Kinnect and where is that controller free gaming they were harping on about??? Last Gen Microsoft were the big powerful and rich company that dominated the PC world but things have changed massively since then. Apple and Google and Samsung to a lesser degree are now the big boys. Microsoft got nowhere near the money they had back then. They won't be able to buy all the exclusives up or the dlc etc. They are engaged in a massive war with Apple and Google and coming off 2nd best every time. They won't be able to commit anywhere near the same resources as before. But competition is good for the consumer and i hope microsoft do well.
For Sony price and marketing will be key something which microsoft excel at!

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

For Sony price and marketing will be key something which microsoft excel at!

Do they? The original Xbox wasn't cheap and when they dropped the price they had to reward early adopters with games and pads as an apology. A premium level 360 will still set you back about the same as a Wii U which for an eight year old machine isn't all that good. So price isn't their strong suit. As for marketing I don't recall a single Xbox advert beyond the cradle to the grave advert. I'd love to but I genuinely don't. Even the recent campaign for Halo 4 is but a fleeting memory.

Sony on the other hand have had great marketing in the past and up until the PS3 knew a winning price.

ashadian on 21 Feb '13 said:

Where was the bang?!
Felt lacklustre for a console anauncement, just showing the controller? What is this Nintendo?
Too many tech demo's, although the all important in-game footage looked cool.
Social side has potential but a console is about gameplay not facebook.
On the plus side it sounds much more developer friendly, thank god the 'cell' is no more

Why make the bang now? They will wait closer to E3 to make the big bangs!

Agent75 on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

I agree - it did feel like a rush job. I thought the controller was cool. Funniest thing is - I totally forgot I was waiting to see what the Console looked like and the pricing details Jedi Mindtricks?!

I doubt the next XBox will be a lot better because price will be more important than power.
Both are still going to be lacking compared to a decent PC. I get the feeling the PS4 won't be out until next year now.
MIcrosoft might just beat them to market too...

It was enjoyable but I wouldn't say I was blown away either.

I totally agree, wasn't blown away. Lot of details left out, not forgetting demostrations which is why it was a rushjob. Sony now want to get in before Microsoft. Microsoft will build on this. It was a laughable show.

ashadian on 21 Feb '13 said:

For Sony price and marketing will be key something which microsoft excel at!

Do they?

Yep they managed to sell Kinnect!

neilsinc on 21 Feb '13 said:

I don't get all this wii u hating I read. The PS4 looks awesome no doubt about it, but what does it do that I can't already do on my very high-end PC? Most of the games that will come out for the PS4/Nextbox will be available to me on my PC, therefore I probably won't buy either of these consoles. The reason why I got a wii U is because I love nintendo games, and as good as GTA is completing the missions was nowhere near as hard as collecting all the green stars on mario galaxy 2. That's why I own a PC and a wii U, the PC to play the most beautiful graphically amazing games which will continue to play better than the PS4 and Nextbox, and my wii U for the nintendo exclusives where graphics don't matter it is just the amazing gameplay nintendo continue to offer, and especially after hearing about the plan for the new zelda-U this just confirms that nintendo continue to offer the best games, regardless of graphical capability.

So for all the nintendo haters, instead of wasting money on a PS4/Nextbox that is less powerful than my current PC, why not at least try mario kart, mario 3d, zelda, battalion wars, f-zero, smash bros, donkey kong, metroid, games that get better with each and every system before bashing nintendo. And whilst I loved my PS2, I sold both my PS3 and xbox360 as they had hardly any games that I couldn't get on my PC, and my PC is so powerful it has already beaten the next-gen consoles, so why would I invest in a PS4/Nextbox.

PC and nintendo are gamings future. I am also sick of hearing how nintendo doesn't cater to hardcore gamers, collecting the green stars on mario galaxy was much harder and rewarding than completing missions/zombies on black ops 2 or GTA. A game doesn't need violence for some 12 year old noob to call it a casual game.

Whilst PS4 and undoubtably Nextbox are impressive, and I may well get one, there will still be plenty of people who buy nintendo's console because guess what... we love nintendo games and like to be challenged. Some of you 'hardcore gamers' should try completing super ghouls n ghosts or super mario world on the SNES before thinking your any good at games.

Rant over. And no I am not a fan boy having owned almost every console since the SNES, and loved my PS1 and dreamcast dearly.

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

Yep they managed to sell Kinnect!

LOL, fair enough.

austerus on 21 Feb '13 said:

Yeah, conference for a product while missing the actual product. So much win for Sony, no?

At least they gave Microsoft the courtesy of publishing hardware specs, so everyone can prepare (if they trust Sony, that is).

ashadian on 21 Feb '13 said:

I don't get all this wii u hating I read. The PS4 looks awesome no doubt about it, but what does it do that I can't already do on my very high-end PC? Most of the games that will come out for the PS4/Nextbox will be available to me on my PC, therefore I probably won't buy either of these consoles. The reason why I got a wii U is because I love nintendo games, and as good as GTA is completing the missions was nowhere near as hard as collecting all the green stars on mario galaxy 2. That's why I own a PC and a wii U, the PC to play the most beautiful graphically amazing games which will continue to play better than the PS4 and Nextbox, and my wii U for the nintendo exclusives where graphics don't matter it is just the amazing gameplay nintendo continue to offer, and especially after hearing about the plan for the new zelda-U this just confirms that nintendo continue to offer the best games, regardless of graphical capability.

So for all the nintendo haters, instead of wasting money on a PS4/Nextbox that is less powerful than my current PC, why not at least try mario kart, mario 3d, zelda, battalion wars, f-zero, smash bros, donkey kong, metroid, games that get better with each and every system before bashing nintendo. And whilst I loved my PS2, I sold both my PS3 and xbox360 as they had hardly any games that I couldn't get on my PC, and my PC is so powerful it has already beaten the next-gen consoles, so why would I invest in a PS4/Nextbox.

PC and nintendo are gamings future. I am also sick of hearing how nintendo doesn't cater to hardcore gamers, collecting the green stars on mario galaxy was much harder and rewarding than completing missions/zombies on black ops 2 or GTA. A game doesn't need violence for some 12 year old noob to call it a casual game.

Whilst PS4 and undoubtably Nextbox are impressive, and I may well get one, there will still be plenty of people who buy nintendo's console because guess what... we love nintendo games and like to be challenged. Some of you 'hardcore gamers' should try completing super ghouls n ghosts or super mario world on the SNES before thinking your any good at games.

Rant over. And no I am not a fan boy having owned almost every console since the SNES, and loved my PS1 and dreamcast dearly.

ARe you planning on buying the Geforce Titan gpu? You forgot to mention that to have bleeding edge PC you gotta buy an expensive card every 2 years!

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

@ Neilsinc That is a very commendable attitude towards gaming, one I agree with but from a different perspective. The games I want to play are only on Nintendo and Sony machines. They don't come to PC.

bitfreak on 21 Feb '13 said:

The more time I have to digest it, the more I've enjoyed what was revealed yesterday, Sony have set some well placed strategic charges so now if they're clever about it they can just sit back and wait with their finger on the button so when Microsoft start revealing things they can knock some wind out of their sails by unveiling the console design and further exclusives ( uncharted etc) E3 should be good this year, probably the best in a long, long time.

MdDam on 21 Feb '13 said:

8 gig, is that all, It'll look s**t in 2 years

PC blah, blah, out of date, blah, blah, upgradeable, blah, blah, 90 billion TFlops, blah, blah.....we've heard it all before. We like consoles. We don't care.

That's an ironic answer considering the PS4 is pretty much a closed PC in a box. x86 architecture everywhere in the PS4, it's a closed PC with a console brand, nothing more.

MRHONGKONGDAVE on 21 Feb '13 said:

@Toaplan
Out of interest which 'powerful specs' did you see? Did you get access to a secret feed that no-one else did?

I'm re-watching the presentation now This is what Mark Cerny - that slightly scruffy-looking Legend - said:

- 8 GB of unified GDDR5 RAM @ 176 GB / sec (the speed providing a further boost to GPU performance)
- 8 CPU cores
- Highly "enhanced" / customized GPGPU (general purpose GPU)
- almost 2 TeraFlops of overall computational power
("processing power an exponential leap over its predecessors")

I have watched it twice now and really don't know what people were expecting! The PS4 shows the world it can run the most advanced engines in development on any platform in realtime and people say looked crap mate...

Having now watched some HD vids on Youtube I am really impressed. My PC has cost me about £2500 in the last 12 months and if these games are available with this amount of detail for £300-400 then that is the steal of the century! My graphics card cost me £700!!! FFS

ingy on 21 Feb '13 said:

Why does the dual shock 4 still have the sticks in the middle close together?
It's bad design, whenever I play FPS games on my PS3 my thumbs keep meeting in the middle and clashing.
I much prefer the Xbox controller's layout of sticks no where near each other.

because it's the best design. i'm a grown man and my thumbs don't touch with both sticks pushed towards the center, AND these sticks have been moved further apart, read the article, so that should stop your over-grown hands's problem.

for ME, the 360 controller is terrible, my hands and body are symmetrical, a 360 controller is not, so it feels unnatural FOR ME. i've been using playstation controllers for well over 13 years and can't think why anyone would suddenly want them to change the design now?

My thumbs hit in the middle also so it is a real problem with some people, the sticks on the new pad look to be further apart so that may sort that out.

The thing is, you get used to the pad you're familiar with, so anything new will feel weird, but in my experience judging by people i've spoken to, is that owners of both consoles tend to prefer the 360 pad once it's gotten used to then there's no going back.

CatfishMurphy on 21 Feb '13 said:

Sony are certainly making the right noises about focusing on making the PS4 a far more social experience and giving devs an easy platform to develop for (both huge problems for the PS3). For those complaining about the lack of "bang" or whatever, I think these days we're seeing a far more humble Sony - who will have pretty much bet the farm on this console - and I find it quite refreshing and more promising than their outrageous attitude 7 years (which looks pretty bloody stupid these days).

However, I don't see anything revolutionary about the PS4 and while that will reassure the purists, consumers at large aren't often wowed by mere evolution and if MS have something new to bring to the living room then they may romp home next gen.

Just my two pence worth really... Oh yeah, and that controller may look s**te but it looks less likely to bring on early arthritis like the current iteration so I'm gonna give it two thumbs up (while I still can).

Jimboisajimbo on 21 Feb '13 said:

The PS4 is impressive, Wii U certainly isn't doomed; it just needs games, fast. The EU has had a particular rough ride as pretty much every exclusive title other than NSMBU and Nintendoland has been delayed Scribblenauts, Rayman(twice, now multiplat) Lego Undercover and pretty much every Nintendo published title that was set for launch window. Get these games out with the likes of Wii Fit and it'll start selling hot cakes. Price drop to £220 for holiday and abandon the basic. Nintendo is waiting around for a bigger installed base to release the likes of Pikmin 3, Made in Wario, Wonderful 101 but it needs these out to get the ball rolling. A bit of advertising wouldn't go amiss.

Agent75 on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

Look out. We have a tough guy here...

But in all honesty, if you have seen that showing, and are not impressed, either you are a fanboy, or you do not grasp the technical, creative or even imaginative availabilities that the PS4 has to offer, just from that 2 hour showing.

And yes, I own a 360, and yes, I hated the controller when I first saw it. But kinect 2, the ability to project games onto the wall around your tv and possibly the "functionality" to block used games, with the added "always-connected" requirement? I'd rather not.

Not being impressed with what Sony has shown has nothing to do with being a fanboy. Grow up.

Agent75 on 21 Feb '13 said:

An average show if you ask me. Looked and felt like a rushjob event. And even diehard PlayStation b**crack lickers will admit that the controller looks terrible and shockingly, no console show. p**s poor. The Xbox 720 show will be a lot better.

Sorry pal but you're far wide of the mark, as a 10 year XBox subscriber this showing impressed me more than many of recent years and both the PS3's and XBox 360's back in the day. I'm a massive hater of the PS controller but this one looks a lot better with hand grip queues taken from the XBox 360 controller and better triggers, including capture and share buttons it's a lot better. Microsoft are going to have to come out with something very special to contend here as Sony have taken their criticism and came back strong. I suppose it's the inner 13 year old fanboy in you.

You must on weed, matey. Tell me about Sony's PS4 games? What does the console looks like? How much will it cost? What about the camera? Will the camera be better than Kinect 2? The new controller looks very bland, not much of a step up is it? Take away games from other developers, it was a p**s poor show. It was like a talk show. Panic button was pressed. Microsoft have been given early ammo.

Barry316 on 21 Feb '13 said:

You must on weed, matey. Tell me about Sony's PS4 games? What does the console looks like? How much will it cost? What about the camera? Will the camera be better than Kinect 2? The new controller looks very bland, not much of a step up is it? Take away games from other developers, it was a p**s poor show. It was like a talk show. Panic button was pressed. Microsoft have been given early ammo.

Yet you always seem in a rush to tell people your "money is on the 720" despite even less being known about it? Don't give up your day job Pach junior, i'll have a Big Mac.

JOHNKARA on 21 Feb '13 said:

Well done Sony - I am a happy customer that will buy at least 2 PS4's. Keep up the positive resurgence and emphasis on gameplayer value. Love you all.

Get Over Here on 21 Feb '13 said:

You must on weed, matey. Tell me about Sony's PS4 games? What does the console looks like? How much will it cost? What about the camera? Will the camera be better than Kinect 2? The new controller looks very bland, not much of a step up is it? Take away games from other developers, it was a p**s poor show. It was like a talk show. Panic button was pressed. Microsoft have been given early ammo.

1. It was a console unveiling, this is not E3. The console is 8-9 months away from release, they can't blow their load and show everything right now. They are saving stuff for E3. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Polyphony, Santa Monica and Naughty Dog are all working on PS4 titles.

2. If you are concerned about PS4 not having games (which is absurd), I wonder what you actually think MS will show for the new Xbox? Ruse? Seriously, it's been said a million times, Sony has more first-party developers for more first party games. And that is not even taking into consideration the whole 'media-box'/Kinect factor that MS will focus more on this generation.

FixBeatGames on 21 Feb '13 said:

PS4 = £350-400. PC that could run Killzone4 like that clip = £750+.

/pc-vs-console debate over......

gobbybobby on 21 Feb '13 said:

PS4 = £350-400. PC that could run Killzone4 like that clip = £750+.

/pc-vs-console debate over......

lies!

MdDam on 21 Feb '13 said:

PS4 = £350-400. PC that could run Killzone4 like that clip = £750+.

/pc-vs-console debate over......

Spoken like a true idiot ignorant of PC gaming.

BTW the PS4 is for all effects a closed PC. There now is no difference between a low-end PC and this PS4.

MdDam on 21 Feb '13 said:

I remind all of you of the latest trend of showing preview videos that are doctored to hell and back? Anyone wants to remind themselves of Far Cry 3 E3 footage, Alien: Colonial Marines preview footage and the PS3 footage when it was first presented? Only judge the new Killzone graphics when it comes out, not with the footage since Sony does have a story of showing gameplay trailers that look a lot better than the game itself.

Taus on 21 Feb '13 said:

You must on weed, matey. Tell me about Sony's PS4 games? What does the console looks like? How much will it cost? What about the camera? Will the camera be better than Kinect 2? The new controller looks very bland, not much of a step up is it? Take away games from other developers, it was a p**s poor show. It was like a talk show. Panic button was pressed. Microsoft have been given early ammo.

Yay, console wars is back and first out of the Sony vs MS fanboy flame wars is Agent75

Seriously, I can understand kids showing petulant brand loyalty but a grown man getting worked up over MS?

f**k off mate, if you don't like Sony consoles that's cool, shoot your load over the MS reveal, no one will blame you but posting about MS to repetition on a PS article and accusing people who disagree of taking drugs, where does that leave you? You going to get your older brother to come down to school and sort everyone out?

NB CVG have posted an article about the cynical sniping, it's aimed at you

Twiss21 on 21 Feb '13 said:

As a fan of both Sony and Microsoft all I really want is some creativity of this generations consoles. You can throw all the specs at the masses you want but the bottom line is if your creativity is not on par its all the same old trip with nicer looking backgrounds. Show me one game studio, PC developers included that utilizes an 8 core CPU?...I do like the fact that 8GB of DDR5 will be under the hood considering what the PS3 was packing for ram. I hope Microsoft has something good up their sleeve otherwise I am really leaning towards Valve and what they are doing with their system. Only time will tell

cult on 21 Feb '13 said:

They will need to do something about multiple logins on the Vita or a way to synch one Vita to the PS4.
Multiple members of a family may choose to play on a game that features multi screen on the Vita.
You cannot force them to have a Vita each.

Simon Carlin on 21 Feb '13 said:

Oh God this thread actually made me cum, it's so funny.

Subshadow on 21 Feb '13 said:

I really don't like the remote but that's just me and it's nice that the ps4 is a little more powerfull, but i'm sad that it won't be a leap that significant because when a console makes a leap, the pc makes two leaps.
i think that the ps4 will win against the next box and wiiu will stay the same, will always have people buying the games including me sooooo...
one more thing that's a little hard to accept that they will get it right is the cloud thingy.

Tensor on 21 Feb '13 said:

I am SEVERELY disappointed with these specs. The 8-core AMD processor? Do people even realize every i5 (yet alone an i7, or 2 i7 CPUs) PC and Laptop is vastly superior to this?

And 1.84 GFLOPS GPU? That's a piece of garbage! An AMD HD 7970 GPU measures at 4 TFLOPS, more than twice as powerful!!

If you have a laptop with an i5 CPU and a mid-range graphics card, it will speed circles around this piece of trash even if you underclock your PC. If you have a gaming PC with an overclocked i7 CPU and 2 GPUs, then this PS4 has less power than a paper weight or my door knob. And the PS4 eye doesn't do 1080p? And the PS4 itself won't support 4k TVs coming out? Yeah, thanks but no thanks. Tell me when you make something useful.

pixellated on 21 Feb '13 said:

Don't understand all the negativity! really i dont - and everyone one here dissing the wii u etc - pointless (sorry guys but their underpowered wii wiped the floor with the competition)

So the conference - I actually really enjoyed it. I really like how they were open about the hardware specs - all the potential with gaikai - I mean the idea of being able to just turn on the console with the press of a button and resume my game - that to me is a next gen feature.

I have to admit I haven't given much consideration to the PSV, and sadly thought Sony really messed it up with that one - but now it seems to have given the handheld a new relevance with being able to stream ps4 games using the ps4 as a the router ( i dont really understand the tech stuff but if it really works out that way then great).

Apparently used games won't be blocked.

I wasn't exactly over the moon with that er....what was it called? the very first game they showed with that little morphing creature? It kinda reminded me of kameo elements of power!

Killzone for me personally really looked great - considering i was wowed by watching a stream of it on my humble laptop - actually seeing it for real will be something I look forward to.

The controller.....erm.....ok a step up from dualshock, but why on earth are they still fixated on the basic design template - it's been the same for sooo long.......does anyone remember the original xbox controller? right, so after that ms went away and did their homework and came out with the 360 controller which jumped light years ahead of the original controller.....as for sony, yep i see the touchpad and the refined trigger buttons, slightly more ergonomic etc.....i just......i dunno - i mean i suppose i should be grateful it isn't the banana shaped controller first shown with the ps3!

E3 is gonna be nuts this year - nintendo will be showing their new mario, maybe zelda stuff - MS will i assume unveil their next box unless they do what sony did and have a seperate event a few months before......and sony.....come on guys - the last guradian!! launch title!! - at launch we need a first party killer game.....although the idea of a game originally being designed for ps3 then migrating.......but still, that team has created some amazing content.

Finally.......god i hope we dont get shafted with a delayed release - I get a feeling this is something MS will deffo nail, i.e. a wordlwide release....hope sony pull it off to!

Lt Fatman on 21 Feb '13 said:

I find it's hilarious that some people have a breakdown over Sony not showing the physical box. Who says they've even finished designing it yet? It's the least important part. Games come first and what the console can actually do. Some people will just moan about anything and everything.

sbradley88 on 21 Feb '13 said:

I remind all of you of the latest trend of showing preview videos that are doctored to hell and back? Anyone wants to remind themselves of Far Cry 3 E3 footage, Alien: Colonial Marines preview footage and the PS3 footage when it was first presented? Only judge the new Killzone graphics when it comes out, not with the footage since Sony does have a story of showing gameplay trailers that look a lot better than the game itself.

Except some weren't game play trailers, in fact I don't think any of them were. Watchdogs, knack, and killzone were all basically playable demos and the rest were engine videos, not directly intended to represent a specific game. Stop looking for things to twist and bitch about. So what if it's a closed PC. So will the new xbox. Did you expect it to be some sort of new super computer powered by water and controlled with a tap of your foot?

Edit. I will admit I'm not sure how to classify deep down. But I don't recall it saying anywhere that 'footage shown does not represent final game quality' or anything like that

pixellated on 21 Feb '13 said:

oh, another thought for everyone comparing the ps4 to pc's. I just dont understand it. i recently read a review for crysis 3, and all the vast difference in graphics between consoles and pc versions. Apparently, to get it running at its optimal graphical output - the pc used combined 4 seperate graphics cards with each one costing around £400? I mean correct me if I am way off here as I haven't done pc gaming in years - but if it is gonna cost over £1200.00 to run a pc game at its optimal performance level - well come on what do you expect?! and then to stay opimtal every year you'd be spending another mini fortune updating hardware...... at least with consoles, the games run at optimal, and I wont be playing dark souls 2 (cant wait!) on the ps4 thinking "aww man if only i could afford a bit more ram and a better graphics card or two!"

that's my take on it anyway

Paladinrja on 21 Feb '13 said:

I did chuckle when I thought of Nintendo. Not going to lie, the Wii U looks like an utter s**tbox in comparison - sorry Ninty fans but holding out for iterations of the same IPs worth buying a Wii U for? 3rd party support is going to be meagre at best, especially when MS return fire with their (apparent) monster.

No need to wait both MS & PS consoles are made by the same people. The PS4 is pretty much the new Xbox.
If the Wii U looks like an utter s**tbox to you, then I guess you really have no idea of what you are talking about.
Guess old tech with no streaming devices built in & a whole system relying on 8Gb of fast RAM does it for you, thats cool.
For those of us like me it asks some serious questions about how that 8Gb of will be shared conidering absolutely every aspect of the PS4 has some kinda overhead to allow for all this remote assistance & whatnot.

Looking forward to them becoming a software developer now looks more likely. Shareholders are not going to be pleased about this one, watching the press is going to be interesting.

Hows that f**kwit of the year? Even I know Nintendo walk the streets with over 1.24 trillion liquid cash - if the U flops it will just make it a little harder for them to get venture capital through investment on thier next console; they can always go it alone. Shareholders are quite happy with the U so far as are most reasonable gamers. The U has devices that handle all its streaming in realtime without impacting on the system memory @ all. This is actually a f**king big-big deal, course lost on morons like you, no supprise there. I'm so f**king sick of you talks**t Sony fanboys, you make the rest of us Sony fans look like imbeciles. You think that a $900+ console is a step up? Thats what you're lookin at here.

But I digress...

No, you just talk s**t and make PS owners look like idiots; you sure as hell embarass me.

Now... if MS have made some stupid social brick in an attempt to out Wii the Wii then Sony might have this gen in the bag.

Meaning what? what bag? what gen? you mean old laptop hardware in a box? With all due offence, idiot features; other people have also come to these conclusions I have, as well. Sony might also be doing themselves alot of harm by comparisons with PC's; totally out of context & unnecessary. Like you, incidentally. f**king sub species of degenerate.

mornelithe on 21 Feb '13 said:

It was a great show, and I think Sony put about as good of a foot forward as they could. This machine was built in collaboration with 20 of the top developers in the world. They took the lessons of the past, and made a serious push to make this machine something both gamer's and developers can embrace, and given the list of the 3rd parties who are on board, it appears they've clearly achieved that.

For those complaining about the specs (and I'm a PC Gamer), please, point out the GPU or Mobo that has 8g of GDDR5 on-board. There are none. You can't buy GDDR5 for your PC, it only comes on high-end GPU's, and has nearly twice the memory bandwidth of DDR3. Also, please point out the massive plethora of titles that employ 8 cores efficiently. There are few, at this time which means it will have legs. Will it match PC performance? Of course not, console hardware is static, and new PC hardware is announced monthly. I'm surprised in 2013, 30+ years into consoles/games, this is still a topic of conversation. But, it at LEAST brings the consoles much closer to today's standards, which is only a boon to PC's, since they've been consistently held back by the 7+ year old tech the PS3/360 utilize (this isn't to say good games haven't come out, simply that the industry has been held back because consoles are really popular, and developers/hardware manufacturers know they can nickel and dime people to death on them).

The other thing people need to keep in mind, is Microsoft's presentation is right around the corner, so, it's only smart marketing to keep a lid on some of your more major details until at LEAST after the Durango presser. And Microsoft aside, you don't blow your load 9 months before launch, you release some information at first, holding a large chunk back, so that you can keep people interested and allow hype to build over those months. Otherwise, you've got nothing left to keep people enticed, and the hype derails.

If we're hitting late October and we haven't heard anything more, then I'd say it's more than safe to worry. But, 9 months from launch, I'm not expecting them to give us everything.

Agent75 on 21 Feb '13 said:

I am SEVERELY disappointed with these specs. The 8-core AMD processor? Do people even realize every i5 (yet alone an i7, or 2 i7 CPUs) PC and Laptop is vastly superior to this?

And 1.84 GFLOPS GPU? That's a piece of garbage! An AMD HD 7970 GPU measures at 4 TFLOPS, more than twice as powerful!!

If you have a laptop with an i5 CPU and a mid-range graphics card, it will speed circles around this piece of trash even if you underclock your PC. If you have a gaming PC with an overclocked i7 CPU and 2 GPUs, then this PS4 has less power than a paper weight or my door knob. And the PS4 eye doesn't do 1080p? And the PS4 itself won't support 4k TVs coming out? Yeah, thanks but no thanks. Tell me when you make something useful.

What's specs got to do with it? Why are most gamers obsessed with specs? Look what the Wii did to the Xbox 360 and PS3. The PS2 trampled the Xbox and GameCube. Forget about the specs, looks to the games. Forget about the PC, it evolves every 6 months or so. Nintendo and Microsoft are already laughing at the PS4, more so Microsoft. The PS4 show was quite poor. Not even showing the console must be a first in gaming history. Sony are wobbling big time, which forced an early show.

MKMCI on 21 Feb '13 said:

Really enjoyed the show, christmas can come soon enough tbh!
The controller, bit, disappointed, but when I get a Vita, problem solved.
Dont mind using DS4 for button bashing games,
The games shown, superb

Agent75, mate, do you honestly enjoy posting the extreme-troll posts, you post?
Seriously, your well..'seasoned' aint cha, or just a bloke whose p**sed at the world? Dont enjoy your life? JUST TELL ME! how do people do it?? like when I see a Blues fan on a rap music video 'this sucks' ... even tho they never have/would listen to that genre of music
My psyke just cant comprehend it? Is it a form of letting your inner racist out or something?
I could of sworn CVG has a 16 & over sign up requirement...

& to finish it of, its been said before, if you spent your earned doe on a rig, good for you, you obviously dont have any friends on PC or you would be waving your i5 coc at them, not people who like pu55y! ... like mann, that bloke sayin if you got an i5 laptop *Sark voice* im sorry are you really that un-educated? LAP-TOP DESK-TOP ..LAP + TOP ...Anyyyyy takers?

Someone did a list earlier, price, ease of use, functionally, no need to upgrade, friends list in one place, etc etc... it honestly does worry me that grown a55 men think with the mentally of a 6 or 12 year old...
Either celebrate it or f-ck me, actually do something constructive for your chosen platform (or anything)? No chance

Yeah I went off a bit, it just gets to me that people just hate for the sake of hating (i dont mean hat0rz, i mean they have a feelin deep inside them where they feel compelled to slag something off they KNOW they have no interest in)..

Its exactly the same as a mancity fan going to a liverpool vs utd game & just shouting 'fock lp fock utd' for 90mins, theirs thousands of examples you could use, how many people do you see doing that? Just because gaming started as a kids thing, they seem to carry that mentally.
It's exactly people like you trolls, who honestly are holding back the growth of gaming as an industry.

/rant over :> - i am actually in a very good mood, btw:]

Agent75 on 21 Feb '13 said:

eeeehhhhhhh what does the poxy ps4 look like??????????????????? what a bunch of crap

Agree 1000%.

mornelithe on 21 Feb '13 said:

Not even showing the console must be a first in gaming history. Sony are wobbling big time, which forced an early show.

It's called marketing strategy, most companies stagger release information to keep hype building, it's also extremely likely that Sony held back a great deal in order to counter Microsoft's coming presser, to say nothing of the upcoming games shows between now and November. We saw, what? 8 developers last night (who showed actual content), and half of them were 3rd parties? Sony has a ridiculous amount of internal studios (on par or more than Nintendo). So, between now and November, I expect to hear from many of those internal devs. A new Gran Turismo? A new Uncharted?

I don't see this as a wobble, I see this as them starting carefully, ensuring they have enough to share over the coming months. Besides, why would a company drop the entire gamut of information on us, when there's still PAX, E3, and GDC (to name a few) between now and launch date? More people will be paying attention for those shows, than a Sony presser. So, it makes sense to keep the biggest reveals quiet until then.

squiddly on 21 Feb '13 said:

I am glad sony are making "most powerful platform ever" I was worried they were going to make a console that had a bit more power than PS2 but less than PS3.

sbradley88 on 21 Feb '13 said:

Not even showing the console must be a first in gaming history. Sony are wobbling big time, which forced an early show.

Didn't the WiiU get announced before any console was shown?
Could be wrong though.

Taus on 21 Feb '13 said:

Agree 1000%.

But what do you really think?

I don't think you've made your point enough times

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

Not even showing the console must be a first in gaming history. Sony are wobbling big time, which forced an early show.

I don't see why this is such an issue for you Mister 75? Microsoft haven't shown a single thing yet and still you'd rip your own cock off like a leper with an itching scrotum at the prospect of an Xbox with a camera and probably less games worth owning than the amount of fingers said leper possesses.

Also Nintendo announced there last three home consoles without showing them first, as did the original Xbox.

Nilay on 21 Feb '13 said:

No they didn't, they unveiled ps4 games and the <a href="http://www.nwoow.com/techonology/sony-ceo-says-playstation-4new-game-console-under-wraps-35522/">controller</a>. I understand they probably want to wait till MS shows theirs at e3 later this year but at least have something cryptic or <a href="http://tech24.in/technews/sony-ceo-says-playstation-4new-game-console-console-under-wraps-12871">show part</a> of the unit to get people wondering.Sony CEO Says PlayStation 4,New Game Console Under Wraps!

Amoep on 21 Feb '13 said:

Just saying it's the "Most powerful platform ever." Seems pretty ridiculous. Clearly they are not going to go backwards in technology.

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

@ Daz you are a PC man. How much would it cost, based on what we do know, filling in the remaining blanks with the rumoured specs, to build a PC that would offer a similar performance to what is expected of the PS4? I know it is impossible to give an exact figure, but a ball park figure will suffice.

Onomatopoeia on 21 Feb '13 said:

@ Daz you are a PC man. How much would it cost, based on what we do know, filling in the remaining blanks with the rumoured specs, to build a PC that would offer a similar performance to what is expected of the PS4? I know it is impossible to give an exact figure, but a ball park figure will suffice.

As of right now £430ish. But when the PS4 comes those parts will be a lot cheaper, it's best comparing a PC build and the console on release.

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

Cheers Onom.

mornelithe on 21 Feb '13 said:

@ Daz you are a PC man. How much would it cost, based on what we do know, filling in the remaining blanks with the rumoured specs, to build a PC that would offer a similar performance to what is expected of the PS4? I know it is impossible to give an exact figure, but a ball park figure will suffice.

Would be difficult to do, since they don't currently sell individual GDDR5 ram sticks for the PC (currently it's only used in high-end GPUs, most PC motherboards right now use DDR3 as system memory), which would make it difficult to make an 8g unified RAM architecture. I mean, you could double up on GPU's to equal the 8G, but it would perform differently than the unified architecture solution. It's absolutely possible to build a PC to surpass these specs, but I'll let Daz get into the details of it, because he's probably more familiar with the differences in memory bandwidth and things like that.

Paladinrja on 21 Feb '13 said:

Would be difficult to do, since they don't currently sell individual GDDR5 ram sticks for the PC (currently it's only used in high-end GPUs, most PC motherboards right now use DDR3 as system memory), which would make it difficult to make an 8g unified RAM architecture. I mean, you could double up on GPU's to equal the 8G, but it would perform differently than the unified architecture solution. It's absolutely possible to build a PC to surpass these specs, but I'll let Daz get into the details of it, because he's probably more familiar with the differences in memory bandwidth and things like that.

Its also not recomended to build your system RAM around GDDR5 solely, regardless. GDDR5 memory is currently only developed for integrated solutions, being very fast memory more useful for shunting around raw data than some of the finer redundancy proceedures currently available to control interfaces. RAM must parallel with the system memory types overall regardless of channelling.

Consoles primarily concerned with visual output might get away with 8Gb of the stuff but bottlenecks could occur, which is why the 8 cores are designed around low clock speeds; I would hazzard being because they need a way to slow down the memory bus so that it doesn't in turn slow down the system.

On a PC you would use 2GB of GDDR5 and 6Gb of DDR3, as recomended.

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

Cheers for the replies people.

Onomatopoeia on 21 Feb '13 said:

I'd call it similar to what others have said.....about the £750-£800 mark if you had to pluck components off shelves.

AMD FX 6300 £105
GA-970A-DS3 MB £50ish
8G DDR3 RAM around £50
GTX 600 £180
500GB HDD £40

£425 all together for a system that's pretty much the same. And that's for a comparable rig right now.

console_whore on 21 Feb '13 said:

Looking at the specs wonder how much it will cost, have sony learnt lessons from last time. Time will only tell

Bambis Dad on 21 Feb '13 said:

Looking at the specs wonder how much it will cost, have sony learnt lessons from last time. Time will only tell

Well the article the other day suggested Sony were aiming for a price of £300 and preorder sites have gone for about £400. So it is a little up in the air but I'd say £350 wouldn't be overly excessive.

procion on 22 Feb '13 said:

eeeehhhhhhh what does the poxy ps4 look like??????????????????? what a bunch of crap

Misery Loves Company hey?... I'm sure that when they do reveal the console itself that you and your ilk will be there to moan and whinge it into the ground. Just to make you feel better or something.
Here's a bit of advice that I try to use for situations in my life when I am dealing with things I do not like nor have time for...
I try to STAY AWAY from them, i.e. to distance myself from the bad vibe, that way I don't get to feel bad, I don't get to ruin the enjoyment of those whom might be there whom do enjoy it, and I have more time for the things I do enjoy...
Buuut like I said Misery Loves (it's own) Company, and some folk are only happy when they are unhappy.

For those of you whom do like the look of what the new console has to offer us, I really hope to see you live on psn on ps4 release day

peace...

charlyd on 22 Feb '13 said:

Already saving for this and wouldn't be surprised if it does actually make the launch date.

Brian Szemon on 22 Feb '13 said:

Ok the ps4 will essentially be a PC so why would I buy this I'll just build one and it will allot cheaper. Look through the history of the Playstation's and you will see their uniqueness the ps1 had a MIPS based cpu, The ps2 had the Emotion Engine witch was based off the RISC cpu, The Ps3 had the cell and that's from IBM's PPC cpu. Now after all that their going PC like apple did no thanks nothing unique about the x86 cpu's other then they are easier to code for and don't require special hardware.

rafardrgz on 22 Feb '13 said:

Bravo for Sony on this, I think they hit most of the right spots. Solid "coming out" conference... but not groundbreaking. Felt to me more of a "ok we fixed the things we screwed up last time" but not more. Eye is just a cheap answer to Kinect and the touch pad a cheap answer to Wii U nothing groundbreaking here, definitely not its strong points. However I feel Sony has an upper hand as of this moment against the competition, it's right on the money with taking in developer input and feedback. Nintendo dropped the ball with Wii U and Microsoft has yet to show its new stuff. Only way I see Microsoft counter attacking effectively is for a conference of their own somewhere at the end of March or the beginning of April with tons of solid new IP, console exclusives and some sort of renewed indie game developer interest. If Microsoft thinks it'll counter Sony riding on Halo and Gears of War they are in a world of trouble. Content is definitely still the most important factor and seems to me Sony is getting it right. Funny how as of this moment with this console announcement Nintendo's console already feels outdated. These following few months will be very interesting indeed, we'll see how it all plays out. All eyes on Redmond now.

Manoo on 22 Feb '13 said:

guys build your self a powerfull htpc! use it for gaming internet, movies . I had ps3 ,360 and wii.
htpc is better than any of them, and will turn out cheaper in the long run too. the graphics is better already than what ps4 will offer! and parts are upgradable. lets say when you buy your 4k tv you wont have any problem giving 4k res....
think playing skyrim on 4k tv where level of detail on distances will be breathtaking!
ps4 hardware allready is on lowend of highend gaming pc by the time its out its no longer even there. next year intel coming with 14nm cpu`s. think the difference of power already than.
ps4 will have 8gb shared memory. which is good. but its not what it will set it a part with pcs/htpc..
ssd drives, loading times improves greatly, dual gpu will make you frames per second on very high res, cpus(ps3 going for amd) and we all know which is better intel or amd! and than every game you play has to be bought from sony....
trust me htpc is way forward and the best soltion for entertainment needs, save your self the money and get a better experience too.

Padua on 22 Feb '13 said:

what do they mean "holiday"?

There are loads of holidays throught the year, do they mean the Easter Holidays do they mean the Summer Holidays or do they mean The Xmas Holidays?

They mean the Holiday Season In the US it starts from Thanksgiving (every fourth Thursday in November) through to New Years Eve.

the elz on 22 Feb '13 said:

I thought the sony thing was very boring (Ive had to sit through corporate presentations where they talk for ages about nothing) & the new pc, I mean console is just a PC, I think i might but a WiiU or upgrade my pc (or both) instead.
if microsofts thing is along similar lines you might as well just upgrade your pc, itll last longer & do more things & after a few years you can upgrade bits instead of playing something 7yrs outdated like we are now.
the WiiU is starting to look more of a "game Changer" than the PS4 (imaginative name fellas)

Bambis Dad on 22 Feb '13 said:

Ok the ps4 will essentially be a PC so why would I buy this I'll just build one and it will allot cheaper. Look through the history of the Playstation's and you will see their uniqueness the ps1 had a MIPS based cpu, The ps2 had the Emotion Engine witch was based off the RISC cpu, The Ps3 had the cell and that's from IBM's PPC cpu. Now after all that their going PC like apple did no thanks nothing unique about the x86 cpu's other then they are easier to code for and don't require special hardware.

We've had the PCs guys in and they've said you can not build a comparable rig, that the equivalent horse power would set you back £400-800 and even then it still would have different pros and cons, and that the PC would require upgrading before the PS5 and the console gamers aid you'll be playing ports of our games in twenty four months time and bragging how Lario from Portugal has modded it with higher res textures. Really, I mean really. It's f**king pathetic here at times.

toaplan on 23 Feb '13 said:

I thought the sony thing was very boring (Ive had to sit through corporate presentations where they talk for ages about nothing) & the new pc, I mean console is just a PC, I think i might but a WiiU or upgrade my pc (or both) instead.
if microsofts thing is along similar lines you might as well just upgrade your pc, itll last longer & do more things & after a few years you can upgrade bits instead of playing something 7yrs outdated...

But hardly any of the good games are coming to the PC

Destiny - no
Killzone - no
New Infamous - no
Drive Club - no
Capcom's Deep Down - probably not
FF on Luminous - no
NHL 14 - no
The Last of Us - no
Beyond: Two Souls - no
God of War Ascension - no
The Last Guardian - no
MGS Ground Zeroes - no
GTA V - maybe?

Those are the games I'm looking forward to. A high-end PC has the specs, but where are the exciting upcoming games? The only four that I can think of right now are Bioshock Infinite, Battlefield 4, Modern Warfare 4 and the next Batman Arkham. Those will all, of course, come to the PS4 / PS3 also, like pretty much everything else. Watch Dogs seems to be coming to the PC also, some time after the PS4 release. Sim-City... that one could surprise PC gamers positively?

TheBusterMan on 23 Feb '13 said:

Didn't the PSP have a 'suspend mode' ? You could turn the PSP off,come back the next day,turn it on again,and your game would be as you left it.(as long as you had enough battery power left)

toaplan on 23 Feb '13 said:

You're obviously talking from a one-system fanboy point of view. In which case anyone could equally claim that your list of games can be bettered by PC games of past/present/future. Your round up of FPS and driving games can be instantly be smashed out of the park by Arma 3 and iRacing but it's all opinion.

The real truth is that exclusives are just a pain in the arse and an inconvenience which only gives fanboys like you a reason to slag other systems off whilst remaining clueless about the game libraries on offer from other platforms. Many people own multiple systems just to cover exclusives.....

PC is my main system - without a shadow of a doubt its the most powerful system with games that have the most depth, mod support, hardware peripherals and therefore longevity. Would you want to play 'Drive Club' with a Dual-shock 4 or PC's best racer with a FFB wheel, headtracker and proper rev counter?......I know what I'd rather have. It also happens to be the system with the best multiplat versions due to the power available. I don't doubt that next gen consoles will close the gap graphically in the short term but to cover exclusives I'll also be buying be those consoles too........but I'm certainly not getting excited just yet based on what I've seen so far.

I am a Playstation gamer (since 1994 ), but I've also been an intermittent PC gamer (since the days of Doom, which I also got in 1994). Until last year, the PC actually was my main gaming system, but I switched back to Playstation because of a combination of factors - including physical games being tied to a Steam account on the PC and the incredible PS+ service on the Playstation.

The main reason was probably missing out the numerous great PS exclusives and on some of the major multiplatform titles that I wanted to check out, but which were never coming to the PC - such as NHL 13, MGR Revengeance, Final Fantasy 13, Read Dead Redemption, Mortal Kombat (2011), Marvel vs Capcom 3, SSX reboot etc. etc. And now it looks like MGS Ground Zeroes isn't going to be availabe for the PC, GTA V is still a "maybe" and Destiny a "probably not / maybe, at best". So great being a PC only gamer!

If you can afford only a single system, the PS4 will be the place to be and will likely have the widest dev support of any system.

Also I'd rather have Drive Club than iRacing, because the former is a proper AAA title with higher production values, and the latter indie-ish title lacks some pretty basic features like a proper single-player mode and variable weather / time of day conditions. I tried to search CVG for iRacing, but couldn't find a single article about it. So it seems to be a niche game like Arma, which is a strange game for someone used to CoD / Battlefield. I saw Arma 2: Combined Ops on sale recently for £9,99, but still wouldn't buy it, because the graphics look poor, the gameplay is so slow-paced and and the single-player AI was called atrocious in some of the reviews I read. I don't think CoD / Battlefield have anything to worry about...

Unition on 23 Feb '13 said:

Don't listen to a word Paradaz has got to say. He has issues ...

toaplan on 23 Feb '13 said:

You also say in the reply above that the PS4 is the place to be if people only have the opportunity to own one system....based on what exactly? The 2 hour unveiling the other night?

Stating that Drive Club is a 'proper AAA title with high production values' is laughable, you know next to nothing about it and certainly not enough to even mention it's production values....unless I''ve got it wrong and you are in fact placed high up in the development team/management of the dev studio to know all about the financial side of it. When it's released will be the time to comment on it being AAA.

You also say that you were a PS gamer since 1994 and an intermittent PC gamer since the days of Doom which suggests that you owned both at the same time...otherwise you would have had to do a hell of a lot of swapping about. If that was the case why do you lack any informed balance about either system, and why couldn't you have played the exclusives on both systems. Your post only serves to make you look more of a Sony fanboy.

Oh Jebus... just take a look at the track record of Evolution Studios - they've released nothing but AAA racing titles with high production values in the last 10+ years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Studios

Those PS2 WRC games were excellent, they are not just the studio behind the Motorstorm series. But Drive Club looks set to be their very best game yet and I can't wait for it.

The PS4 seems to be a return to form for Sony, after the mistakes made with the PS3. So unless the mobile / tablet boom has managed to sabotage the console market, the PS4 could well achieve the kind of sales numbers and dev support that the PS1&2 did. Xbox is a competitor of course, but it'll be so similar that devs will support both machines... and the overall console market is also much larger than in the PS1&2 days.

I've owned a desktop PC since 1993/94, but I've only gamed actively on the PC at certain points. 1994 and Doom-mania caused me to make the switch from the Amiga to the PC. The late '90s and the availability of the first 3D GPUs was another high point for my PC gaming interest. And then the modern era of the PC super-GPUs and games like Crysis & BF3.

JamesEmpowered on 23 Feb '13 said:

I Can't Wait For The PS4!!! I recently wrote a blog post about it and shared some details I uncovered in my research and included a few of the LEAKED game trailers

Check out my post: "Sneak Peek At The PS4 And Some LEAKED Game Trailers"

http://justgetempowered.com/blog/the-ne ... e-trailers

dwhlufc on 23 Feb '13 said:

I think you're being a bit harsh on Evolution, Daz. People don't instantly think of them when you talk about racing games but I reckon they've got a chance with this new ip. Like you, I thought their WRC games were solid, but not a patch on the original McCrae series. Motorstorm was a fun arcade racer, especially for a launch title but it did lack polish and a few game modes. The sequel was bloody awful and the third was a huge improvement.

I'm not saying they're going to make the greatest racer on a console but knowing they're behind it certainly has me interested.

toaplan on 23 Feb '13 said:

@Toaplan

The first two WRC games on PS2 were good, since then they have been distinctly average and didn't even release one for the PS3 did they? The first Motorstorm never set the world alight and sequels only went downhill. That's great pedigree!

I don't think any of that history guarantees AAA at all from their next game and to say it's going to be their best yet is frankly laughable given that what you know about the game could be written on the back of a stamp. Was it the trailer or the gameplay that you were impressed with? I'm still intrigued as to how you have all this inside info about production values.

WRC: Rally Evolved (PS2) - CVG/PSW review:

"An excellent rally game that would sit proudly in your collection. Ranks alongside Colin McRae as the best in the genre"

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/12 ... ed-review/

Motorstorm (PS3) - Metascore 84%

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstat ... ic-reviews

Motorstorm Apocalypse - CVG 89%, GameSpot 85%, GameTrailers 85%, IGN 80%, Edge 80%, Eurogamer 80%

Also, Motorstorm Apocalypse is particularly good in (stereoscopic) 3D and is recommended for anyone looking for an impressive 3D game.

The short PS4 demo was ace and this sounds very promising as well:

"The developer is currently developing the game "DriveClub" as a PS4 launch title. They claim they had trademarked the name of the game almost 10 years ago, but were waiting for the technology to create their vision of the game."

dwhlufc on 23 Feb '13 said:

Can't really argue with that. If I'm honest I was quite shocked when I saw that they'd been given official car licences - maybe Sony are tiring of Polhony Digital taking forever to produce their titles?

toaplan on 23 Feb '13 said:

@ Paradaz

All I said was that it's an AAA game with high production values. I don't see why that would be utter b*****ks, considering:

a) AAA, as far as I'm aware of, is just shorthand for "a big-budget game with high production values". An AAA game can of course be flawed and even a flop - like MoH Warfighter or Aliens: Colonial Marines - but the big development budget usually guarantees at least a fair amount of audiovisual appeal.

b) "The original Motorstorm won many different awards back in 2007. These included an Annual Interactive Achievement award for Racing Game of the Year as well as Develop Industry Excellence Award. And now the title has become one of Sony’s biggest selling IP’s, boasting over 3.5 million sales."

(An article from 2009)
http://www.lazygamer.net/ps3/motorstorm ... ion-sales/

So Evolution Studios is not in any way a lesser studio among Sony's fleet of first-party studios. They may not be a star studio like Polyphony, N-Dog or Santa Monica, but they are still an important studio with AAA-grade resources and firepower.

Bambis Dad on 24 Feb '13 said:

@ Toa the simple rule of thumb is what one person enjoys won't necessarily appeal to all. I'll often say there is little of appeal on the PC. What I'm actually saying is there is little that appeals to myself. If what is available on it suits the majority then so be it. Conversely I don't expect everyone to get what I have enjoyed about consoles this generation. I've always said the PS1 was s**t for games, the PS2 a little better and the PS3 is amazing. I'd be very surprised if a tenth of the members here agreed with that assessment. Doesn't make me or them wrong.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

You must be boring yourself by now with all this tat.

Sales don't equal quality....I could correlate that to PS3 sales but you'd probably have a cardiac arrest. Let's do it with the Wii. Shed loads of sales, is it good? No, it's p**s-poor. I'm sure it's had boat-loads of awards too.

Audiovisual appeal doesn't = quality or AAA either. Ever heard of Crysis?

Ha, ha... I just returned from my late-night 10-mile run a while ago, while I'm starting to think that you have had a pint or two, because you completely missed my point about the meaning of "AAA". But I'm not criticising, because it's Saturday night after all.

To re-iterate, AAA just means big-budget / high production values - not artistic value / playability. A movie such as "John Carter" or "Battleship" has a budget of +200 million dollars, and are called "AAA" because of that, predictably look and sound very nice because of that with great special FX... but can still suck / flop as movies.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

@ Toa the simple rule of thumb is what one person enjoys won't necessarily appeal to all. I've always said the PS1 was s**t for games, the PS2 a little better and the PS3 is amazing. I'd be very surprised if a tenth of the members here agreed with that assessment. Doesn't make me or them wrong.

Let's take a retrospective look at the PS1 library:

Ridge Racer & Ridge Racer Revolution
Rage Racer
Ridge Racer Type 4
R-Type Delta
Thunderforce V
WipeOut
Wipeout 2097 & Wip3out
Tekken 1-3
GTA 1-2
G-Police
Legend of Mana
Final Fantasy 7, 8 & 9
Jumpin' Flash
Crash Bandicoot 1-3
Soul Edge
Metal Gear Solid
Tomb Raider 1-3
Resident Evil 1-3
Silent Hill
ESPN Extreme
Need for Speed
Road Rash
Nuclear Strike & Soviet Strike
RollCage
Loaded & ReLoaded
Porsche Challenge
Total Racin'
F1'95 & F1'97 by Sony Liverpool
NBA Jam T.E.
V-Rally 1-2
International Track &Field
Gran Turismo 1-2
Vagrant Story
Parasite Eve
Ace Combat 1-3
Alien Trilogy
Marvel Super Heroes
Mass Destruction
Assault Rigs (by Psygnosis)
TohShinDen 1-3
Xcom: Ufo Defence
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1-4
BishiBashi Special
Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen
Soul Reaver
Bomberman World
Breath of Fire 3&4
Broken Sword: Shadow of Templars & the Smoking Mirror
Bushido Blade
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Chrono Cross (sequel to Chrono Trigger)
Civilization 2
Colin McRae Rally 1-2
Colony Wars
Cool Boarders 1-4
Crash Team Racing
Dance Dance Revolution by Konami
Darkstalkers
Destruction Derby 1-2
Descent 1-2
Die Hard Trilogy
Dino Crisis 1-2
Discworld 1-2
DoDonPachi
Doom
Duke Nuk'em 3D
Driver 1-2
Einhänder
Fade to Black
Fear Effect 1-2
...
Okay, I'm stopping the alphabetical recap that I began at this point, because there's still most of F-Z to go... Just sayin' that you should perhaps reconsider the notion of the PS1 being s***t for games. It's got such a ridiculously wide library of games that should really cater for every taste...

Megan Miller on 24 Feb '13 said:

This is exciting! I just really hope it's compatible with ps3 games. It bugged me that most ps2 games were incompatible with ps3. I had many ps2 games that I acquired over the years and wanted to play but they didn't work. I kept my ps2 but got rid of a lot of my games for this reason because I wanted to use the new ps3 more. Well, there are a ton of ps3 games that I LOVE, that I've played multiple times, and ones that I haven't actually finished yet because I don't play all the time. I don't want to have to play on multiple different consoles. In fact, I still use my ps2 to play some of my ps2 games. If I end up getting the ps4 when it comes out(which I probably will) and it's not compatible with ps3 games then I'll probably end up having 3 ps systems in my living room.

Bambis Dad on 24 Feb '13 said:

@ Toa how does that list make me enjoy games I hadn't previously?

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

^ I was just reminiscing that the PS1 / PS2 have been the closest thing to a unified standard format that the gaming industry has seen. Apart from a handful of Sega, Nintendo and later Xbox exclusives, everything else was published for the PS1/2 and third parties could thrive by just targeting those platforms only. So saying that either one of them was s**t for games is - almost - like saying that the VHS or DVD was s**t for movies.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

^ Looking at the console sales numbers.... (from Wikipedia)

PS2 155 Million
Xbox 24 M
GC 22 M
(DC discontinued)

PS2 market share 77%

PS1 102,5 M
N64 33 M
Saturn 9,5 M

PS1 market share 70,6%

A format with +70% market share is hardly just another format among others... it's practically a monopoly / industry-wide standard. It was a good time for the third parties - you could do well just by developing for the PS, which constituted the overwhelming majority of the console software market

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

Windows has something like 90% of the desktop PC market... and is considered an industry-wide standard. In practice it means that devs can do well just by writing for Windows and ignoring the others, if they choose so.

Would you dispute that Windows is an industry-wide standard for the desktop PC? Does 90% add no weight to the argument in that case?

edit: I see you added the last sentence of your previous post after my post...

DAEDALUS79 on 24 Feb '13 said:

It should be noted that Sony wouldnt have had that market percentage during the consoles life cycle, especially the first few years. Many of those sales would have come about in the end few years of the console cycle and after they had been superseded.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

Is any MS Windows OS a 'unified standard' for businesses because it has something like a 95% market share? No, don't be daft.

What about the English language in the UK? I believe 90-95% of UK citizens speak it as their native language. So not 100%, the rest is Polish, Asians, whatever Rbt speaks etc... But English is still considered the standard. Okay, it's also the official standard, whereas Windows is merely a 'de facto' standard for the desktop.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

^ Windows is the de facto standard. And there's unfortunately little that Apple or Linux can do about it.

Tazadoobii on 24 Feb '13 said:

Ahh, so CVG is still a paradise of idiots...

Why is anyone bothered about Sony not showing the console? They're teasing it by holding a press conference before E3. They showed us enough to get excited and you all just want more!

They'll show the console at E3. Bunch of whiners!

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

I said:

... is the closest thing to a standard the industry has seen
... is practically a standard
... (Windows) is considered a standard

i.e. they are / were de facto standards

I didn't simply say that they are / were standards. They aren't standards in the same way as English is the official language of the UK. There's no law that requires you to use M$ products in certain situations. And neither are they technical standards formed by general agreement in an industry. Just de facto standards.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

It should be noted that Sony wouldnt have had that market percentage during the consoles life cycle, especially the first few years. Many of those sales would have come about in the end few years of the console cycle and after they had been superseded.

True, but on the other hand both the PS1 & PS2 had a lengthy 18-month head start to their main rivals, the N64 (for the PS1, obviously) and the Xbox/GC (for the PS2). The Sega consoles didn't put up much of fight and the DC was even prematurely discontinued. So excluding the Sega consoles, you could say that the PS1 & 2 had the market all to themselves during the first year and a half.

Bambis Dad on 24 Feb '13 said:

I'm still not convinced Ilike th PS1's library. I'd say it was f**king s**te but that is far more polite than I'd want to be. I'll go as far as to say there isn't one great game on that console.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

I think the "polite" version was clear enough, thank you...

I'd say that the PS1 was particularly good if you are into certain genres. Driving games for example. On the PS1 you've got Gran Turismo 1&2, Ridge Racer 1-4, WipeOut 1-3, V-Rally 1-2, NFS 1, Road Rash, F1 95 & 97, Porsche Challenge, Colin McRae 1&2, Toca Touring Cars 1&2 etc. Compare it to the N64 library, which includes WaveRace 64, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing and... not so much else worth mentioning.

JRPGs is another really strong genre for the PS1, starting with Final Fantasy 7-9 and FF Tactics, and including so many other genre classics - Vagrant Story, Suikoden 1&2, Persona 1&2, Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana, Wild Arms 1&2, Xenogears just to mention a few.

SHMUPs are very well represented also, although that was also a strong point for the Saturn. On the PS1 you've got R-Type Delta, R-Types, Thunderforce V, Ray Storm & Ray Crisis & Ray Tracers, DoDonPachi, Einhänder, G-Darius, In the Hunt, Raiden Project, Parodius and Strikers 1945.

Sports fans were also well catered for on the PS1: Pro Evolution Soccer 1&2, the truly great EPSN Extreme, Slam & Jam, NBA Jam T.E, Open Ice (NBA Jam for ice-hockey), the Tony Hawk series were some of the standouts in a sea of the usual EA stuff and Sony's own sports titles.

Horror games (or horror-tinged games) were popular as well on the PS1, led by Resident Evil 1-3, Silent Hill, Fear Effect 1-2 and Parasite Eve 1-2.

Finally, some notable individual classics: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, MGS, Tomb Raider 1&2, Strider 2, Super Puzzle Fighter Turbo, Parappa & UmJammer Lammy...

Bambis Dad on 24 Feb '13 said:

I quite enjoyed vagrant story, the only other games on that list were the N64 racers. Honestly they were s**te IMHO, every game on that list. You can't tell me I'm wrong.

toaplan on 24 Feb '13 said:

No, I'll just conclude that we obviously have quite different tastes when it comes to gaming. Who knows maybe stealth will read the bit about the JRPGs and put it more bluntly

Maybe you just aren't big on JRPGs, realistic driving games, SHMUPs or extreme sports games - seems so...

Bambis Dad on 24 Feb '13 said:

I do prefer puzzlers, platformers, kart racers and Zelda.

James Smith on 25 Feb '13 said:

The PS4 is basically overclocked gaming machine with a lot more memory controller is basically the same as PS3 with a gimmicky little screen I don't see much difference between two consuls save your money and buy a PS3 it's a lot cheaper you'll get more value for your dollar the games that you love won't look any different on the PS4 just saying.

Bambis Dad on 25 Feb '13 said:

Surely Mister Smith we should wait until we see the games before drawing a conclusion about the PS4? I wasn't going to get one at launch, certainly not until I knew what Microsoft were going to bring to the console table. But everything I've heard from Sony so far I take as very positive measures.

scramble on 25 Feb '13 said:

Hold your horses........

I seem to remember Sony removing promised features from the PS3 not far from launch. Good ones like dual channel HDMI at 1080P for dual screen gaming.
Quotes like "gamers are ready for REAL change"

I remember tech demos that were supposed to be in real-time on the PS3 hardware ...but they wernt.
I remember great looking games that disappeared into nowhere, PS3 vapourware.
I remember being told the GPU was the most powerful on the planet.

After all those promises and many more, the PS3 turned out to be a blu-ray player with something barely on par with the Xbox 360 for its gaming side.

I will eat my hat if the PS4 launches with 8GB of GDDR5
I will eat another hat if all the games we saw are anything like what actually launches, if they all launch at all.

Sony rushed this announcement to try and poop on Nintendo's parade and avoid another DS trouncing the techincal superior PSP or the runaway success of the purposely underpowered Wii.
All they've done is highlight the uniqueness and charm of Nintendo's potential offerings and got more people interested and comparing to upgradeable PCs.

The new controller? the SNES pad DNA still stands out above all else

toaplan on 26 Feb '13 said:

Hold your horses........

I seem to remember Sony removing promised features from the PS3 not far from launch. Good ones like dual channel HDMI at 1080P for dual screen gaming.
Quotes like "gamers are ready for REAL change"

I remember tech demos that were supposed to be in real-time on the PS3 hardware ...but they wernt.
I remember great looking games that disappeared into nowhere, PS3 vapourware.
I remember being told the GPU was the most powerful on the planet.

After all those promises and many more, the PS3 turned out to be a blu-ray player with something barely on par with the Xbox 360 for its gaming side.

I will eat my hat if the PS4 launches with 8GB of GDDR5
I will eat another hat if all the games we saw are anything like what actually launches, if they all launch at all.

Sony rushed this announcement to try and poop on Nintendo's parade and avoid another DS trouncing the techincal superior PSP or the runaway success of the purposely underpowered Wii.
All they've done is highlight the uniqueness and charm of Nintendo's potential offerings and got more people interested and comparing to upgradeable PCs.

The new controller? the SNES pad DNA still stands out above all else

Well, at least Ridge Racer 7 was one of the PS3 games that ran in full 1080p in single-player from the get-go... are there X360 games out there that can boast such a feat? Geometry Wars 2, maybe?

They already unambiguously announced 8GBs of GDDR5 @ 176 GB / sec to the whole world via the Internet, so it's very unlikely that they would renege on that promise.

Dominus20 on 26 Feb '13 said:

the ps4 is a pc that sony is trying to sell as a console. All the bloated specs....8gigs of ram? for all you sony fanboys out there, the ps4 is going to be sony's last system. I know crazy talk. But by their own hands their making this possible. If u think it took developers 7 years to max out the ps3 with the little bit of ram it had, just imagine how long its going to take developers to max out 8gigs of ram. There's going to be some of the prettiest, expansive, exspensive,100 person multiplayer games ever seen; but, will the games be fun. Will they be innovative with never before ways to play. Nope, just visually impressive remakes of existing ip's. Every spec of ps4 points to a PC. The real reason why it wasn't shown is at the reveal is because is freakin' huge. It may sit beside your tv or on a desk but it sure won't sit under your tv. No innovation Sony...a swipe pad on a controller... this is 2013...swipe pad?????.........p.s. I hit the home screen on my Wii U pad, cliked the internet icon, and posted this via wiipad....once i hit post, i will hit home button on this wiipad and resume playing black ops 2 from the same position where i left before i typed this post...i believe sony said that this would be a feature on ps4...Ha still playing catch up.

........a swipe pad?Mehahahahaha!!!
I LOVE INNOVATION NOT UPGRADING!

toaplan on 26 Feb '13 said:

I know crazy talk.

I bet you do.

But by their own hands their making this possible. If u think it took developers 7 years to max out the ps3 with the little bit of ram it had, just imagine how long its going to take developers to max out 8gigs of ram

The PS3 has been really hard to max out because of the unique custom Cell-architecture. The PS4 uses standard PC X86-architecture with only some degree of customization, so it'll be way easier to max out.

There's going to be some of the prettiest, expansive, exspensive,100 person multiplayer games ever seen; but, will the games be fun. Will they be innovative with never before ways to play.

The more, the merrier? Just you wait until BF4 hits next-gen consoles...