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  • Mar 24, 2013

Danny explores the bloodline of one of the most influential franchises in first person roleplaying.

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309 comments
MikeFeeney431
MikeFeeney431

Danny, kickass use of Arrested Development clips!

"Beads????!!!!"

unikat
unikat

what happened to "Falling in love with Lara"? I want to see you playing Chivalry again :p

brunocj2
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Great show. I never knew all that. Very interesting. Thanks Danneh.

CruiserCaptain
CruiserCaptain like.author.displayName 1 Like

I am also so super glad to see this show again. I was just wondering if it was gone. Glad you're well and back Danny. Missed ya on random Encaounter too.

Wensea10
Wensea10 like.author.displayName 1 Like

GLad I started watching this show again; please keep having more episodes...

roguewave2
roguewave2

Escape from Mount Stupid always has most of the hilarious references I see on Gamespot! xD Danny, you're AWESOME!!!

ShinobiMedic
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In Bioshock Infinite, you kill people. <- Spoiler! :O

jubdeidamasta
jubdeidamasta like.author.displayName 1 Like

Bioshock 1 had so many fun ways to kill enemies, just not enough enemies(even on hard mode). However the game had a great setting and atmosphere.

jtrory
jtrory

Not to be a troll but for those of you hoping for a System Shock 3, just think about all the games recently that have come out as sequels to our beloved classics.... Duke Nukem Forver, Syndicate, even the new Deus Ex which holds very little in comparison to the original. Do we want a new System Shock or do we want them to leave it be and remain a glorious memory? I'm not sure....

eLLiptiX
eLLiptiX

@jtrory To be fair Deus Ex: Invisible War was pretty much snubbed out and dwarfed by Human Revolution.  It may not have been as revolutionary as the original, but it is still a very respectable game for anyone's library.  I still to this day vomit a bit in my mouth that Invisible War was ever conceived.  

I think the mistakes have been learned when it comes to the Shock franchise, and if SS3 is ever pushed for I whole heartedly admit I will support its development..  until the day it's released and we find out it bombed..  then prepare for Death Incarnate  >:(

Deadman_est1982
Deadman_est1982

Bioshock was such a great experience.  It's a shame that COD 4 came out around the same time and drove me into the COD addiction.  After BO 2 I am proud to say, I am done with those games.  I look forward to replaying Bioshock 1, picking up Bioshock 2, and of course getting Infinite.

dannyodwyer
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So  I completed Infinite about 20 minutes ago. Yea, you guys should probably get it.

eLLiptiX
eLLiptiX

@dannyodwyer Would you recommend it for Playstation Move users?  Given this is a platform title, it appears the Playstation version is offering a bit more as far as substance is concerned with the Move capabilities.  

I don't ask this from a fanboy standpoint as I own all types of systems, I just appreciate the extra bang for my buck.

dannyodwyer
dannyodwyer moderatorstaff

@eLLiptiX @dannyodwyer I like Move, but I wouldn't put too much importance on regular games that have Move functionality crammed into them. The best Move games, are games made for Move. So Sport's Champions and Tumble I suppose.

simulacraman
simulacraman

@dannyodwyer   Right when I was watching EFMS between rounds of cardiovascular nonsense for my sorry fat a$$. Well, not too fat. It's a matter of perspective. Right? Yeah. Perspective.

Still working on Bioshock. I smell a rat. This game is breaking my sorry fat a$$ into FPSs, at which I have been remarkably lame for an unfortunate period of time. Good thing I kept buying them.

  But enough about me.

  One more round.

  Thanks for the feature and rec. Looks pretty gnarly.

FidelSarcastro
FidelSarcastro

for some reason I feel I shouldn't post any spoilers...

The-Nax
The-Nax

Loved Bioshock 1 and 2. The atmosphere, combat and scavenging was just simply brilliant.

Enemies aswell tho, I can't handle creeps in FPS games - As in spiders, bugs and insects jumping in my face, gros me out. (only managed to get through skyrim due to mods removing the spiders) Splicers were quite fun, and the big daddys (and big sisters) proved a challenging battle every once a while. The little sisters were brilliant aswell. 

All in all, a big kudos to 2k and Irritional from me. Can't wait to try Infinite.

Other developers - Would you kindly stop adding spiders etc. in your RPG games :(

Gonefishing95
Gonefishing95

Oh god I laughed so much at the Irish/English joke :') (As a brit im allowed ;P)

scatterbrain007
scatterbrain007

I bought System Shock 2 when it was new.  I thought it dragged a bit too much so I eventually gave up on it, and very stupidly sold it to Gamestop (when they actually bought PC games) with a bunch of other games I didn't want at the time.  Back then I guess I liked playing through a game quickly, and anything that hindered me from that I'd get bored of  real fast.  Skip ahead a few years I'm feeling the regret of basically giving that game away.  Finally got it back and working on Windows 7 a year ago, and have just recently finished playing it about 2 or 3 weeks ago.  Spectacular game. Even for how old it is and how dated the graphics are, the gameplay and the atmosphere just makes all of that irrelevant.   System Shock 2 was just a great game. I don't finish many games..I get bored really easily, System Shock 2 kept me immersed and entertained.  Here's to HOPING for the return of SHODAN.

Ronin893
Ronin893

The 1st was and still is today a must play. Its true what they say about the 2nd but its still worth a playthrough imo. Wish i was playing it again for the 1st time.

eddyoshi
eddyoshi

Great episode! I really didnt know that system shock was related to bioshock, and that bioshock at first wasnt what it turned out to be and that the sequle wasnt made by irrational. Very informative indeed!

Vixenar
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Great video, but like HellWolfHun said, many fans still hope for true SS3.


Bioshock series just can't beat the System Shock atmosphere. Not even the first Bioshock comes anywhere near it. Good games, but pretty far from System Shock 1 and 2, in my opinion. Shodan is charismatic villain and that world REALLY should be revisited. Ken Levine, Irrational Games, how about it?

jtrory
jtrory

@Vixenar I think that's a little harsh. Other than the Half Life games I can't think of a game that has created such a unique and palpable atmosphere as the first (or even arguably second) Bioshock. I'm not saying System Shock didn't but to say that Bioshock didn't even come close is doing it a great injustice imo. The incredible architectural design in Bioshock alone is unmatched in any game even now.

Rudorlf
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@Vixenar All we need to do is to convince Irrational Games to get back the trademark and start working on the third game!

KUNG-LO
KUNG-LO

@Rudorlf @Vixenar All Irrational needs to do is make a new game  based in modern/Sci-Fi time period  and call it "Future Shock"

Vixenar
Vixenar

@Rudorlf @Vixenar You said it :) ...I wonder how many rabid fans would rally behind a SS3 kickstarter project in a heartbeat. Considering the demand and following the series has, I bet we'd be looking at Project Eternity / Torment Numenera numbers. Come on IG, DO IT!

ZombieKohhi
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I wish Sytem Shock 1 would get a release on GOG.com or Steam. I really want to play it!


HellWolfHun
HellWolfHun like.author.displayName 1 Like

Great episode! However, System Shock fans will never give up on SS3. I know I won't. :)

drmaf17
drmaf17

I never played System Shock but System Shock II is still the best game I have ever played. I last played it a few months ago and in terms of atmopshere and immersiveness its still extraordinary. Even the graphics are still credible despite its age. The only reason I'm still not playing is that it has simply aged beyond the point where any PC I currently own will run it. I like the Bioshocks but why was SHODAN never resurrected?

Strazman
Strazman

I absolutely loved the Thief and Deus Ex franchises.  And to this day, I am kicking myself for never playing the System Shock games.  How did I miss those??!!  Anyway, I agree completely - the original Bioshock was a work of art and exercise in innovation and pioneering gameplay.  Bioshock 2....ehhhh....yeah.  I can't wait to play Infinite tomorrow!  Ken Levine is an artist!


Oh.....and.....     EA...ruining game studios, tainting otherwise great games, and bullying developers since 1995!  Yay.

kuwudu
kuwudu

i know, dont worry about running outta games to play, you should check out age of wushu, it might be worth you while. 

CieloPerso
CieloPerso

My brother just started playing these games for the first time a couple of days ago. He hasn't reached the point where you meet Andrew Ryan.  He just told me that he had expected the game to be a bit more "open" than it is and that it instead felt like something was pushing or leading him through the corridors of Rapture? I really wanted to spoil it and tell him why :-)

binderdundat
binderdundat

yeah the quip about bioshock two was spot on. It was necessarily good, but its there for people who werent ready to leave the city of rapture. I just didnt get my fill of it in bioshock 1, i needed more. MORE!

wusaier
wusaier

ahhhh there's so much new title out now, thunder kings, age of wushu, tera. i cant decide which one to start first.

Jasper_73
Jasper_73

system shock 2 was really good but it did loose it towards the end. mind you most games did back then. it seemed like the developers had a lot of good ideas in the beginning, but just seem to run out of them towards the end. thankfully it has for the most part got a bit better. i have purposely avoided anything i can about bioshock infinite, so i can discover it while playing. reckon its gonna be good

Pete5506
Pete5506

Another great episode Danny.

I love System Shock, one of my favorite games 

Darkreaper_1
Darkreaper_1

Surprised that both System Shock games lost money.  I remember playing the 2nd and i was blown away by it.  It was so different, so revolutionary and featured themes and gameplay that is common place today.

First Bioshock was amazing.  I was slightly disgruntled that they hadn't continued the System Shock story as Shodan was a great antagonist but that faded fast when i firs step foot into Rapture and started getting plasmids that made me strong enough to take down Big Daddies, which seemed so bad ass when i first started.  Story was very strong and gripping as well.  Just a shame about the final boss fight!

Second Bioshock was a big disappointed.  I still feel like it was BioShock 1.5 instead of a proper sequel and it kinda made me cautious about Bioshock Infinite but that is getting great reviews so i'll probably pick it up at some stage for PC.

collectics
collectics

@Darkreaper_1 Bioshock is made by Irrational Games, the same ones who made Bioshock Infinite. Bioshock 2 was made by 2K Marin, the same people who are making XCOM right now. That is why #2 is inferior to the original. 

drawbird
drawbird

Nice episode, ah the memories of buying SS2 and having your friends refuse to play it until you bought 3 more copies, and then watching them buy it for their friends in turn...

KinoDaKonqueror
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I KNEW IT!! I knew there was a reason I didn't like Bioshock 2!!  I thought I was the only one... I was actually scared to say something to Bioshock HC fans... I didn't want to have to kill them.

KinoDaKonqueror
KinoDaKonqueror

I could definitely work for valve, I love the freedom/responsibility structure.  Makes it possible to be your own boss.

larkin-54
larkin-54

@KinoDaKonqueror The requirements to work for valve are pretty rigorous just a heads up you need to be a top of your class grad in whatever your field is. Also not sure why this is relevant to the discussion  

KinoDaKonqueror
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@larkin-54 @KinoDaKonqueror Sorry, but this was posted in another page.  I have NO idea how it got here.  I just had to deleted another post that wasn't suppose to be here as well...  I have to say something to Gamespot, there posting thing is screwy.

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