You sound very doom and gloomy... just because you're working more than 8 hours a day doesn't mean you hate your life. My dad works 12 hours a day frequently as a senior executive and loves his job. I imagine Shield was a highlight or high point of the engineers' working days.

Then these poor engineers are virgins and have no sex life, 'cause their wives (if they even had any) immediately had divorced them, no woman tolerates husband who's NEVER at home. Any way you cut it they are fucked. In rare occassion when some wife was spineless and couldn't think for herself and did NOT divorce those people who LIVE at work and chose to withstand this torture - then their kids won't see their father, which is even worse, so maybe some of them are double fucked. This is not gloom, this is real family life man. Get a wife and learn the basics, virgin :P

Please avoid the offensive and abusive language, Pirks. It's uncalled for.

While there are plenty of people that may not like the idea of a 14 hour work day, Apple had people wearing t-shirts saying "90 hours per week and loving it" back in the day. I'm sure there are many engineers earning six figure salaries that periodically get put on crunch time for a couple months. Sucks to be them, and I'm guessing that's the "senior team member that quit" portion of the story.

Sorry Jarred, didn't mean to offend karasaj or anything. Was just teasing him about realities of family life and work/life balance :)

I'm sure those Apple virgins didn't love it at all, they were just bluffing. Who would love to work around o'clock and come to the empty house where there's no wife and kids? Only crazy Apple zealots from Cupertino who worshipped Jobs more than their families.

Anandtech needs an edit function >.<

I'm well aware of the realities of family life and work/life balance. I've spent 7 months in another state co-oping for IBM. I've been in a long distance relationship with my girlfriend for over a year now. My parents are living in a different country. I've spent more than ten hours a day working at that coop and loved it. I'm not married, I'm not some 30 year old with tons of life experience, but with the little bit I have, I have an excellent grasp of what it means to be away from family and to have a ton of work on your plate.

I traveled for weeks every summer in high school. I probably have more "away from family and working long hours" experience than anybody else I know my age. So please don't try to lecture me on what it's like to live in real life.

And at GBK and Flanagan: my father was an adopted child who cut firewood for a job in high school. He graduated high school in 3 years and went to west point, and served in the gulf war until he was promoted to captain (and for the record, he hated that. Captain and up is primarily a desk job, and he hated not commanding his soldiers in person).

He worked as a recruiter and had to travel back and forth for years at a time away from us. He worked as hard as any construction worker you'll ever meet. He's earned his spot. Don't act like he or I was born into wealth because neither of us were. Just because he is what he is now doesn't make him a worthless profit grubbing executive. He manages construction projects across the world; I assure you he is one of the most hardworking men you would ever have the honor to meet.

Again, sweeping generalizations about a person you've never met based on a single statement are offensive, often untrue, and downright pointless. Just because you haven't been successful in your life or aren't happy with where you are (I can obviously tell based on how antagonistic you were) doesn't mean you can look at somebody who's worked for their position and say "well he's not trying as hard as me"

For the record, he's the youngest "senior executive" to ever be promoted, ever, in the history of the company (a fortune 500 engineering company founded in 1890, by the way).

No matter what you say leaving your family for life at work is a bad, evil thing. This is what I've been saying from the very beginning. Some naive utopia dreamers proclaimed that robots will free us from heavy work and will leave us with normal kind of work, 8 hour a day, 5 days a week, maybe even less. This is bullshit. amount of work time and divorces and unhappy kids grows, not goes down, women keep pushing birth later and later and later because their career and effing money and ability to buy effing fancy BMW and iphone and all sorts of stupid fashionable shit like that pushed on them by big brands and constant ads is more important than raising family properly and having kids at proper age of 20, not at 45 when they look like effing grandmas. Shit I've seen my neighbor woman recently who gave birth to her first kid at the age of 42, gosh she's ugly like hell now, jeezus :((( I'm now pwning your dad or anything, if you're a soldier of course it's no family life, but I meant general society, normal working people, not outliers like Afghanistan vets and sailors and stuff like that.

You think I despise your father but this is wrong impression, I respect him. And at the same time, IN GENERAL, NOT relating to your father, I think leaviung family for work is really bad, having kids too late is very bad too, having divorce and letting kids live with just one parent instead of two is very bad either.

I just hated stupid idiots who were telling us that technology will free us from at least heavy work burden in most cases. This turned out to be lies. It atually got worse, 8 hour work week 5 days with 2 days off is a stuff of dream for many, and it's getting worse as high tech progresses.

Don't take it personal please. I don't blame your father for what he's done but still leaving family for work is very very bad thing in GENERAL. Kids need parents, especially young ones. You're killing them when you're away for ages and ages. This is cruelty, this is very bad. That was my original point as well.

"I'm now pwning" == "I'm not pwning"
stupid forum without the edit button :(

I totally agree with you. I always try to leave as early as I can from work, and come as late as possible. It's not my firm after all. Don't want a raise or anything, as long as you negociate a good salary from the begining you don't need that for some years to come. And when you need a raise, change the job and negociate a better salary.

The hell? Sounds a TAD like trolling.

My parents were married, and a week later my dad shipped to Kuwait. They didn't even have a honeymoon for a year. When I was born, he worked 5 days a week in another city, and drove back every week 4 hours there and back, just to be with us. He travels to and from south carolina, Canada, Australia, and Houston all the time. I assure you he isn't a virgin with no sex life. Just because you hate your job and can't imagine working for 12 hours a day doesn't mean everybody hates their life and can't catch a break like you. And before you accuse me of making some sweeping generalizations, look at your own post.

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