PlayStation 4 dev kits shipping to developers – Report

@farcorners it will be a 10 year lifespan... its been out what 6 years? Then it will continue to be supported atleast another 4 hence 10 years...

 Dominicobaggio  farcorners Right now, seems like Wii U is starting to divert some of Sony's profit to itself.

@torres_unix @farcorners lol wii is a different market. Not directly in competition. Its for children like move and kinect. Sony dont need to worry.

 Dominicobaggio  torres_unix  farcorners Wii U is direct competition my friend, they updated the graphics, and are now supporting AAA titles, how is that not direct competition?  Mass Effect 3 on Wii U, Assassin's Creed 3 on Wii U!?  Those don't seem like titles for children.

 Dominicobaggio  torres_unix  farcorners Following the flame bandwagon, Dominicobaggio?

Think of the Nintendo consoles before Wii, garnered to hardcore.

One console doesn't outline a companys vision.  The Wii only existed to compete directly with 2 Multi product divisions.  Better the idea of the Wii than end up like Sega.

Think for a second.  If you solely made video games, and 2 other companies enter the fray with TV's, DVD players, and BILL GATES to back them up, how else did you expect them to survive the gaming market..even if the Wii had hardware of PS3?

If you ask me, although my Wii collected dust, their marketing tactics to gain revenue and stay alive were of brilliance.

Now, they're coming back to us (hardcore) with rage.  Wii only happened to remain competitve against powerful companies.

 Dominicobaggio It's likely that modern consumers do have a clue, hence the reason why PC is on the rise against crippled consoles like the PS3.  Sony's days as a gaming company are numbered.

@torres_unix. Case proven. Check sales figures, check which format gets most support. Sony are still the premier company when it comes to games and exclusives. Everyone knows it just some dont like to admit. I used to be a pc gamer but its dead now, all games are made with the big console market in mind. No longer any great sims or fps or adventure on pc. They are all simplified games for console. The only good thing pc has left is total war. Sorry to say the masses prefer consoles just like they prefer cheaper samsung tvs over quality panasonic or sony. Its life!

 Dominicobaggio In what world my friend!?  Sony and MS over-inflate their numbers, the rising cost of development and the lack of over-all sales will bring the industry down.  When you produce 10 titles and only 1 sells millions while the others tank, that doesn't sound like success to me.  What you will see is much more lack of variety vs true innovation, which will pose an opportunity for the rise of PC gaming with independent developers leading the pack.

 torres_unix  Dominicobaggio The PC platform succeeds in the multi platform single player games side of things, but it will not be the "best" choice of gaming until it has an online service with the quality of LIVE and the amazing exclusives the PS3 has. All platforms have their own perks, PS3, 360 and PC all have something they're better at. It's all about picking the platforms that best suit your needs which is why I buy exclusives for my PS3 and anything multi platform I but a PC copy of the game. And I am very happy with MY choice of how to approach my gaming and it's served me well all these years.

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 shadowedkiss PS3 did fail. But look at PS1 and PS2, they made a ton of money.

Godly_Kongming

PC people (Well Me) isn't bashing hardware.

You said 8 gigs of ram on a console is like 32 gigs on a PC.  Let me make a point clear.

JUST LIKE you don't need 32 gigs of ram on PC, you don't need 8 gigs of ram on Console LOL.  It's pointless resource that could be invested in say, a more powerful GPU for the PS4?  These aren't company servers, they're GAMING CONSOLES!

I don't care either way.  My point is that Sony need not go the route of PS3 and make an overly beast console, or else they'll lose more money.  If that happens and they fade to black (already seeing red), it'll be both the gamer's fault for demanding such pointless resources, as well as the manufacturer for listening to such idiots.

You want the company to succeed, stop demanding so much from them.

@alrepairs @Godly_Kongming good points.

The CPU & GPU are allegedly on the same chip which is possibly why the the RAM is so high. It's allegedly a much more powerful GPU.

rschrake86

Allow me to shed some light.

Although the A10 CPU chip has an HD GPU built in, it's abysmally weak, meaning  (Just like MY gaming PC CPU at home), you need an external graphics card to handle heavy loaded graphics processing.

The A10 GPU alone is capable of current gen image rendering, but not at any playable speed, running literally at 1 frame per second (Similar to a Microsoft Powerpoint Slideshow).  Check this link out which is about to support what i'm conveying.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2047/5/

Now look at the Grey Blue bar, labeled Graphics in those charts for a 3dmark 2011's Next Gen demo test.  Now, my score at home is 7,000, Which makes the benchmark run at playable speeds, at slightly over 30 frames per second (98% of PS3 and 360 games run, to become playable).   The A10 processor alone is showing a score of...less than 1,000?!?

Hopefully you get the picture.  The Ram is costing them more, because they won't be able to render medium to high end graphics with that A10 processor alone, meaning they're also investing in an external GPU as well,  which hasn't yet leaked to the public.

Sorry for such a long explanation, lol.   Overall, 8 or 16 gigabytes of RAM is pointless....COMPLETELY pointless :(.

 rschrake86 That makes sense, the GPU still needs a high amount of ram to maintain all of the geometry information that it needs to render.

 alrepairs  Godly_Kongming PC people! LOL, RAM on consoles has always been a necesity but never a hindrance, it's mostly used to store variables since the hardware does most of the mathematical operations needed for the complex rendering.  Microsoft and Sony are essentially selling you dumbed-down PCs.

 torres_unix  alrepairs  Godly_Kongming Exactly.

If you ask me, dumb down the RAM to 4 GB as people also agree that Console OS's don't use resources like Windows Vista / 7, and invest the remainder of cash toward a good separate GPU to make a powerful, yet affordable console for the next 10 years.  8 GB of RAM is utterly wasteful, useless on a console, even if PS4 had the option to boot up Windows 7 it'd still be useless LOL.

If people want power, know what kind of power is beneficial to them and yourselves.

@GodGundamNT1 They can't afford to take losses for a few years like they did with the PS3.

 mlcarter815  GodGundamNT1 Also everything I'm reading in rumors are saying that it is based of the APU which means the GPU and CPU are on the same chip to reduce data transfer times and give a increase of performance then if the two would set up like normal.  For all we know it could be based of the APU but with a better CPU and a modded graphics card and as its ment to have two GPU's in it set in crossfire I think it is going to be alot more powerful then people seem to think after reading this. 

The only one who knows is Sony and you just going to have to wait/ Either way though I bet when it is shown it will still impress people anyway so whats the worry all about?

 GodGundamNT1 It's not going to suck.

You have no idea how next gen graphics will look, unless you have a high end PC...so how can you judge?

The next gen era will be fine, without power abuse.

 Hardizla I think the question is here. Will it be a nightmare to develop on, hardware wise? Many developers were having issues developing for the ps3. Let's hope the same thing does not happen again.

 Dark_Arcitekt  Hardizla But alot of those issues have been sorted now and the new PS4 is meant to have a more conventional CPU that will be easy to develop on the the OPENGL code has had massive improvements over the course of this gen in prep for next gen so it should be alright. 

I think its going to be a beast. the one thing I'am worried about is the 4K having a screen that is showing 4X more pixels is going to require more power and quite alot. Sony has already shown of a modded version of GT5 running in 4K with the use of 4 PS3 but if the console is 8 to 10 times more powerful half of that is going to be used up in producing the same level of graphics at the higher resolution, which is why alot of people are saying the gap wont be as big this time round.

Still better graphics would be nice and we are going to get that just dont expect the jump from the PS2 to the PS3. I'm more interested in the amount of RAM I'm hoping for as much as possible for alot better physics gameplay and damage like brick to brick etc other then the smoke and mirrors that is still very popular with this gen like battlefield 3

 Dark_Arcitekt  Hardizla The difficulty in programming the PS3 was having to spread your code over multiple cores manually, if sony had created an in-hardware scheduling system that spread the code accordingly with a simple interrupt call then the developers wouldn't have had such a hard time with it.  Still, with so many damn cores, the quality was still on-par (and sometimes below) Xbox360.

 okassar I have heard its going to use the APU to have the better increase in data transfer between the CPU and the GPU and also make it possible to offload some of the processing from the CPU to the GPU but attach another dedicated GPU to the other and have a crossfire set up which will be mental for a console the first one to have two graphics cards in it. and as the Xbox 720 is rumored to have the same GPU more or less but just having the one this could be very interesting don't ya think?

 ziggyww  okassar They could use ARM for the processor if they wanted to, it's a low-power, high-performance processor, the real kicker is the GPU.

 torres_unix  ziggyww  okassar ARM is way too weak. Its strength is in efficiency and low power consumption. Our game systems don't run on battery, so I wouldn't want ARM. Intel and AMD tend to shoot straight for pure computing power.

 okassar  ziggyww It's only a matter of time until tablets start rendering current-gen graphics.  The 3DS runs on ARM with decent results, and Intel and AMD don't necessarily hit for "pure computing power", the CPU does almost nothing when it comes to graphics, if you don't believe me, try running current-gen graphics with software-rendering.  With powerhouses like Apple constantly pushing the envelope, expect future consoles post PS4 to be tablet-based.

 tgwolf New price point for games $79.99, $150 for collector editions.  Forget about getting that used, it's "single use" only.

 Dragdar I agree with you 100% people see APU so then they end up thinking of the A10 and using that as their example and saying that its weak instead of knowing that a APU is having a CPU and GPU on the one chip to increase better data transfer times and to be able to offload some of the CPU tasks to the GPU for better multitasking. 

I have two heard that it will have another GPU attached to it in a crossfire stat. 

 s4dn3s5 a APU is the idea of GPU and CPU being on the same chip to increase better transfer rates and increase better multitasking. we have heard nothing about the actural CPU and GPU that it is going to using just that its set up in APU. so keey your wig on

 ziggyww  >being on the same chip to increase better transfer rates and increase better multitasking.

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APUs are made to kill the entry level gpus market, they are made to replace some crap with some other -much cheaper- crap.

 wyan_ no.