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Kinect pricing, new 360 SKU, bundles revealed photo

Following plenty of speculation after its E3 reveal, Microsoft is finally confirming the pricing of Kinect, as well as game and console bundles it will launch on November 4.

Already own an Xbox 360? Microsoft will be shipping a Kinect sensor bundled with its first-party title, Kinect Adventures, for $149.99. A new user? For $299.99, you'll be able to pick up Kinect, Kinect Adventures, and an Xbox 360 with 4 GB of internal storage. The standalone 4 GB console -- the same form factor as the 250 GB model that launched last month, only with a matte black finish -- will be available for purchase on August 3 for $199.99.

First-party software is being priced for value-minded consumers; the first batch of Kinect titles -- Kinect Sports, Kinectimals, and Kinect Joy Ride -- will all retail for $49.99. Harmonix's Dance Central -- published by MTV Games and distributed by Microsoft -- will also sell for $49.99.

Yesterday, I had a chance to speak with Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg about the announcements; hit the jump for more details, and answers to some questions you might have.

Kinect Adventures for everyone, whether you like it or not

Following E3, many retailers (including Microsoft's own online store) had listed Kinect at $149.99; Microsoft dismissed the pricing as purely speculative. Turns out, the retail listings were only half right. When Kinect launches this fall, consumers will have to spend at least $149.99 to get the controller-less experience in their living rooms; Microsoft currently has no plans to offer the Kinect sensor as a standalone peripheral.

"Our focus really was making sure, out of the box, that consumers have a great experience," Greenberg tells me. "And so, we felt like including a full retail game in that offer was the right way to go to market."

According to Greenberg, giving consumers a Kinect sensor without the software "wouldn't be the type of experience we really wanted you to have as the first impression." With that said, he did confirm that the sensor will launch with "how-to" and "how it works" software to introduce people to what Kinect can do. And on November 4, the Xbox 360 will be updated with a new Dashboard that can be navigated with your hands and voice via Kinect, as shown at E3.

And what of the redesigned Dashboard screens that hit the Internet last week?

"I haven't actually seen them," he admits. "But the Dashboard that exists today, we're always adding and making adjustments to, but essentially the design and the way you navigate won't change for people that are using the controller today."

Why not announce pricing at E3?

At June's E3 event, Microsoft took the time to reveal to the world its new branding and software for its motion-sensing device... and that's exactly why it didn't bring up pricing, Greenberg tells me. He says that with so much news to deliver at the event, it was key to focus on the experience, letting people use and see its 15 launch titles.

"There were a lot of moving parts," he says, referring to the flood of information Microsoft had to reveal, "but we feel like even doing this now here in July, well in advance of the November launch, gives consumers plenty of time to plan their holiday purchases or pre-order or whatever their needs may be."

Waiting for the competition to make the first move?


Sony, on the other hand, was pretty frank at E3 with the strategy for its motion controller, Move, announcing price points and bundles. So was Microsoft waiting for its competition to show its hand? While that seems like a likely tactic, that's wasn't the intention, says Greenberg.

"Yeah, I mean, I guess there's some competitive advantages to letting someone else go first," he admits, "but that wasn't really our driver. If you think about [us] relative to what Sony's done, they had already unveiled their games, their name. A lot of the stuff that we announced at E3, they had done earlier. So we felt like we had a lot of news to share at E3, and that was the right time to kind of focus on the experiences, and this whole new category of controller-free games and entertainment. And now to kind of follow it up with pricing, that kind of works out well."



Regarding pricing compared to competition: "We're in a very envious position"

Of course, Greenberg is also quick to point out that Microsoft feels that Kinect is a better value proposition than Sony's Move, saying that, "Relative to the competition, we feel like we're in a very envious position." The key, he seems to say, is the lack of a need for multiple controllers.

"If you think about the console bundle as a standalone, what you have to keep in mind is, when you get the console and the sensor and the game, when you add another player to that experience you don't have to buy another wand, another controller, another Nunchuk," he explains. "It's all included in the experience."

For $299.99, "you're really getting everything you need all at one price." Sony will be offering its own bundle this holiday, a $399.99 package that comes with a PlayStation 3, the Move title Sports Champions, a single Move wand controller, and the PlayStation Eye camera (required for Move).



"If you add a second player to that, that puts them, I think, at roughly $510. So we feel like we're at $100 to $200 less relative to Move," he says, doing some on-the-fly math. But he feels that the Kinect experience stands out because it's so different, so new. "But frankly, we feel like what we're doing is so unique, and the response to consumers has been unlike anything we have ever seen before."

(Note: Greenberg's Kinect vs. Move math is only accurate if you include the Move "Navigation" controllers. The PS3 console bundled with the Move controller and Sports Champions costs $399.99; to add a second simultaneous player, consumers will have to purchase a second Move wand, priced at $49.99. Add two more "Navigation" controllers -- sold separately, and not required for all titles -- and you're tacking on roughly another $60.)

Marketing Kinect won't stop with the Bieber



"It's a non-traditional product, and we've definitely taken a non-traditional approach," says Greenberg.

"This is the first time where we feel we have a product that appeals to young or old, male or female, whether you've played a game before or not," Greenberg tells me. "And to reach that scale of broad audience, you really have to go in a variety of different places, in a variety of different ways."

One example: Even teenybopper sensation Justin Bieber is being used as a vehicle to promote the product. The floppy-haired teen recently opened one of his concerts with video footage of him and his entourage playing a number of Kinect titles. Whether the crowd went wild upon seeing Kinect Adventures, or if teenage girls will just scream at anything Bieber-related, is unclear. Kinect has also been featured on a number of network television shows, including a spot on The CW's Smallville back when it was still known as "Project Natal."

Try before you buy, globally

"We realize this is an experience that you can't just see and believe; you actually have to experience it," Greenberg says.

Microsoft is currently touring the United States with Kinect titles, allowing consumers to get a taste of the sensor in action. Plans for a global tour are also in place, with Greenberg confirming that Kinect will be playable at gamescom in Germany this August.

Kinect first-party titles not inferior to full-priced titles, despite lower pricing

"We realized that these products are talking to, for us, an entirely new audience -- a more value-focused consumer," Greenberg says of the $49.99 price point for first-party Kinect titles. The distinction, he says, is not in the quality of the titles; the lower price isn't an admission that the games aren't necessarily full-featured traditional products.

"I think you'll find that these games have the level of modes and depth and detail -- the multiplayer experiences, the Live integration -- that you see in our other retail games," he says. "The difference is, these games are built from the ground up designed to be used with the Kinect sensor, allowing you to play controller-free."

"The price point for us is just a strategy for us as we're talking about consumers," he explains. "It has nothing to do with the quality of the games."



Where are the "core" Kinect experiences? Be patient… they're "coming soon, that's for sure"

The launch software is decidedly "casual" in nature, but Greenberg says that Kinect experiences for "core" gamers are certainly on the horizon.

"All of the top developers, core developers from around the world, have development kits and Kinect sensors," he says. "We know from talking with them that they are working on a lot of really unique and compelling new games and new experiences, but they're taking their time. And we think it's important to allow them to market."

"While the launch lineup very much scales a broad variety of genres and experiences, we think you'll see more core games coming out," he adds, "and they'll be coming soon, that's for sure."

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DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:06
DaedHead8
DaedHead8 will be waiting for a price drop before buying Kinect CONFIRMED.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:06
Elsa
Actually, at only about $50.00 more than the Move bundle, the two products seem very comparably priced (especially given that some games may require additional controllers for the Sony product).

Meh... both products will likely come down in price in a year or two. I can wait!
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:06
silvain
I'd just like to say that 49.99 isn't really value priced. That'd be 39.99, tops. 49.99 is Nintendo's normal price point.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if it sells. I'm thinking no.
Lakitu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:08
Lakitu
300 dollars is the absolute maximum price with which they could ever hope the casual crowd to grab onto.

What people are seriously underestimating, however, is the huge amount of casual players who already have a relative in the house who owns a 360. Kinect will sell well to people in this situation.
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:10
Corduroy Turtle
I'm so tired of this.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:11
Xzyliac
Okay so admittedly the pricing does make sense in theory but I am shelling out the extra $50 for a game I really don't want. That's bollocks.

I wasn't getting one this holiday season anyway but knowing it's not out of reason to think I can get it at $100 only a few months afterwards I'll wait.

I'll say it again: The amount of peripherals being released around the same window really proves that the players in this industry have a lot to learn. You're only limiting yourself by trying to cram all these accessories within a one-two month timeframe. Even a peripheral whore like myself knows I'm not getting all these accessories. I would've liked to but when they're all coming out at the same time choices must be made and someone is gonna lose out. It's such a gamble, why risk it?

By making me, the consumer peripheral whore, wait I won't be getting this at launch like I would've liked to meaning that gives me time to see the flaws, hear the complaints, read the reviews, reflect on the software, and possibly bail out altogether.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:11
bluexy
lol spending money on this junk.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:12
Mr Andy Dixon
I can't afford to buy... well, anything anymore, but this seems about right to me.

Certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than my Wii and its 57 peripherals.
Kimicario's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:14
Kimicario
Oh yeah, nothing's more hardcore that such a title with a name as Kinect Adventures!
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:14
PEICanada7
So they expect us to pay $150.00 for HD Shovelware? Ah, no thanks Microsoft. You can just keep your crap, for that price!
VolksONER's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:14
VolksONER
So the walmart deal of $199 would be the way to go. 2 games and $30 gift card (diaper money)
Hmmmmm
Suigyoken's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:15
Suigyoken
Yeaah.... Dance Central is an obvious get, but still $50 for each "Kinect" title seems pricey for mini-game compilations.
GREENGUY's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:16
GREENGUY
This is hardcore gaming, gaiz.
D00mM4r1n3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:17
D00mM4r1n3
I might buy the bundle just for the sake of getting a matte black 360, the glossy black looks cheap (like a PS3). I hope there are no major differences between the two systems other than the lack of the hard drive.

Picking up Dance Central with the Kinect, not interested in any of the other games yet.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:18
Holyetheline
Maybe my girlfriend will like this and I will have an excuse to buy another xbox.
Begaria's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:27
Begaria
No matter how much we bitch and complain about the pricing, we all know, deep down, that the Oprah crowd is going to eat it all up.
Jarmel's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:27
Jarmel
Damn. I was hoping for 100 but the outrageous prices they are charging for some of these Kinect games leaves me in despair. So when does Eden come out again? In the mean time it seems I'm looking at the Move.
Chardan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:30
Chardan
So what is this in Pounds Sterling (not Jim)? About �100-odd? Seems reasonable enough, but to be perfectly honest, I don't even have games like that on my Wii, so I won't be 'going casual' on my 360. I can see it now though, my sister will want it and daddy will buy it for her. Boom! No more time on the Xbox I paid for. Stupid 9 year old girls.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:31
Chris Carter
"the first batch of Kinect titles -- Kinect Sports, Kinectimals, and Kinect Joy Ride -- will all retail for $49.99"

That's ALL of them together for $49.99, right? ;D
TheGregsaw's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:43
TheGregsaw
I wish they would release a matte xbox with a 250 gb hard drive. I hate glossy
Joshbale's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:45
Joshbale
might buy it
Jizl Tizl's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:48
Jizl Tizl
I don't see how there was "so much news to deliver" that you couldn't take 2 minutes to say, "Kinect will cost you this much and games will cost this much. Thank you."
Rammstein's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:49
Rammstein
Eh. I still don't see anything that screams 'must buy' to me. I've said it before, Black & White 3 would get me to buy this ASAP. Hell, Kinectimals' tiger looked like a baby version of the Black&White; Tiger.

Black & White!!! *Mel Gibson-like hyperventilating*
VolksONER's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 11:54
VolksONER
Wait!?! Why are they boxing a matte xbox with the glossy kinect? And how come my 250 slim couldn't have been matte?
hyakushiki1234's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:06
hyakushiki1234
Kinect is a spectacular fail. At �130 in the UK, it's tremendously overpriced and the software available is terrible. The only good-looking game for Kinect is Child of Eden, which is coming out on the Move anyway.

I wouldn't pay �50 for this pile of crap. And I don't think many other people will be investing either. If they are trying to entice casual gamers, then they'll go for the Wii which is �70 less, and still costs less with extra controllers. They aren't succeeding in attracting most of their current fans because of the lack of decent software.

And I fail to see how even basic gameplay functions can work on this thing. Even moving forward would be difficult.
hyakushiki1234's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:08
hyakushiki1234
Kinect is a spectacular fail. At �130 in the UK, it's tremendously overpriced and the software available is terrible. The only good-looking game for Kinect is Child of Eden, which is coming out on the Move anyway.

I wouldn't pay �50 for this pile of crap. And I don't think many other people will be investing either. If they are trying to entice casual gamers, then they'll go for the Wii which is �70 less, and still costs less with extra controllers. They aren't succeeding in attracting most of their current fans because of the lack of decent software.

And I fail to see how even basic gameplay functions can work on this thing. Even moving forward would be difficult.

Finally, did they even consider people with limited living space? How the hell do people who live in small places play it?

MS really needs to pull it's head out of it's arse and scrap this thing before they lose a lot of money.
Judas's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:25
Judas
who wants to play standug up?
TManifest's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:27
TManifest
Meh, $50 per game is still too much in my opinion for copies of Wii Sports. On the bright side, at least they included a game, lol. I don't think it will sell as well as Microsoft wants it to.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:30
Dv8thwonder
A trip and a fall now prolonged to face being dragged on broken glass. TY Aaron Greenberg!
Nathsies's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:31
Nathsies
One word:

No.
Etalyx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:39
Etalyx
"While the launch lineup very much scales a broad variety of genres and experiences, we think you'll see more core games coming out..."

Core [kohr], noun-
2. the central, innermost, or most essential part of anything.

I'm sorry, but when your CORE games are "coming soon," and when you say "we think you'll see [them]," SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.
pneuma08's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:48
pneuma08
$50 instead of $60 for a retail box isn't really value priced.

Nonetheless it's pretty darn clear that MS is targeting the new consumer and not existing 360 owners - all of their numbers cited are for people who don't own 360s (despite their favorite topic of them having an advantage for adding a second person, which bumps Move into the $180 to ~210 price range).
nanowerx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:50
nanowerx
People bitched when they thought it was going to be $150 without a game and the games would be $60. Now it's cheaper and people still bitch. They can't give this thing away, guys!!
Explosion2's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:53
Explosion2
Well if they can make "next gen" games (which these games are, especially dance central) that cost 50 dollars, I hope we'll see games costing 50 dollars that AREN'T for the kinect.
Corbanski's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:54
Corbanski
I will now always think of Justin Beiber when anything about the xbox comes into conversation. Thanks Microsoft
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 12:55
Electrium
I'll probably buy one used, whenever that is. Why couldn't they bundle it with Dance Central instead? =(
PrivateIronTFU's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:06
PrivateIronTFU
The only thing I payed attention to in this article is about the 4GB 360 with matte black finish. I'd rather have matte black finish than glossy fingerprint magnet. Why don't they just make them all with matte black finish? I should probably stop saying matte black finish.
Infamy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:15
Infamy
Time to get an extra Xbox this fall.
nicoking's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:17
nicoking
Why MS is comparing this to Move prices? I havent seen one Kinect game that can track more than 2 users at the same time and I doubt there will be many who can even track 2 users at the same time.
Now with Move if you buy the starter set for 60 � you already get the camera,controller and a kind of wii sports bluray disc so you can play right away, if you need a 2nd controller you can buy one for 40 � =that makes 100 euro total and you already have games. And dont forget you dont need a ps3 nunchuck, since you can use your sixaxis controller.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:19
Monte
@nanowerx
Giving them away would be a good start, but probably bad for business

Fact is, Kinect adventures is PURE CRAP... Dance Centeral or Child of Eden atleast has SOME appeal to go on. Saying that Kinect adventures is actually worth a $50 is pretty stupid; that piece of shovelware is barely worth $15... Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it was the cheapest game for them to make; i mean there's probably a reason they are bundling ONLY that game and not giving you an alternate options (it's probably the game they can most easily afford to give away)... So it's not much of a deal... And it doesn't help that kinect STILL doesn't have any CORE games announced

Hell, if i was getting PS Move, i'd say F*CK the sports game, get the peripherals separately and use the $20 i saved to help buy a REAL game...
Royal Swan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:19
Royal Swan
I can't wait for Kinect to follow the Kin into Microsoft's trash bin.

Looking at Kinect, Move, and their prices I'm thinking more and more about getting a Wii to spite both companies.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:27
HEL105
I'll probably end up buying the $299 bundle as a Christmas gift, it's not a bad deal. I still haven't seen a game that makes me want a Kinect for myself, though.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:29
GuitarAtomik
I'm cool with the $150 price tag especially with a game packed in. I wish the 1st party games were $40 to match the PS3 stuff though (I don't have a problem with Dance Central at $50).
resistancia's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:31
resistancia
ill buy one for my nephew i only wish it would include kinectsports instead of kinect adventures wich i really dont like
Omegaryan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:33
Omegaryan
I really hope that Kinect for Xbox 360 crashes and burns, I
want that to go the way of Nintendo's Virtual Boy. Seriously who the fuck wants
to come home after a hard day and have to be active to play your favorite game? F that I�ll be lazy. Ps I liked the Virtual Boy though I still have it.
smurfee mcgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:33
smurfee mcgee
Not completely unexpected. Though it would've been nice to be able to choose your own first game, I think you guys are underestimating how much fun Kinect Adventures will be. (For the people actually buying one)
I'm still personally not that interested. The things I'm most interested in are not the games, apart from Child of Eden. I just want to play with the dashboard.
With the launch library not doing much for me, I don't think I'll be spending that kind of money.
The best thing to do is probably just wait.

Also, 4GB 360 WTF IS THAT BULLSHIT???
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 13:49
llort het
The kinect is not even near worth 150 dollars. Even if you say you're getting a 50 dollar game, the kinect isn't worth 100 dollars. Those games are not even near worth 50 dollars. Even that stupid project Eden is going to ultimately be some overpriced lightshow
Estrelas's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 14:01
Estrelas
It sounds like they're sounding off a lot of crap, really. I'll wait awhile and see if they deliver.
audiosnag's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 14:30
audiosnag
Not too shabby. I can handle that price with a game.
Pricing the launch titles a little cheaper is a smart move too.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/20/2010 14:30
Hiltz
It's body waggle time!

It's going to be interesting to see if 360 core gamers are actually going to end up supporting Kinect. I just can't envision players going from Gears of War to Kinectimals.

Nintendo must be laughing its ass off.
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