Project Eternity most-funded video game in Kickstarter

 poster012 You do make a point, as established developers seem to get the spotlight, but at the same time, many small-time developers or first time developers have been funded through good demo's and presentations through sites like kickstarter. As the community grows, so will the developers who put the ambition and effort into showing why their projects deserve attention.

 jinseinoseikou  poster012 i believe if ANYONE that is going to use Kickstater or an other site like it, need to work there @$$es off to show the world why they should get funding, you can tell who is putting effort and who is not. and to me concept art does not mean a lot, anyone can find someone who can draw up some stuff and say this is what we want to make. i believe game play or at least pretty rough prototyping videos, and demos work to get my attention, and i tend to give money to those projects. 

 msfan1289  poster012 Whomever puts on the best show wins, as the saying goes.

 Beyond just speculation and theory though, they did have an in-game screenshot right on their kickstarter page (and it really it is in-game, only in alpha stage), made by notable artists and developers who were trusted. The whole point of kickstarter is to prove, without a doubt, that the product will be a success. If it isn't a success, then those pledges just lose faith in who they pledged for, and ultimately possibly even kickstarter all together. Funding any game even the regular way through publishers is a gamble just the same, only this way, players get to make the decision as to whether or not it's worth being made.

  I think a bit over 4 million (including their paypal funding), and breaking all-time records, and being designed by some of the most notable designers in the CRPG industry, is consolation enough to be a fantastic game, even if in concept, but definitely not impossible, and definitely very exciting for the tens of thousands of backers.

I can't wait!

Let the Order of Eternity commence! :D

 poster012 i been saying that for a while. if you scroll down you can see my arguments about how AAA dev using kickstater even tho they are pretty well established in the industry, while they are real indie teams to kickstart there dreams.

 DigitalNoodle No they didn't. Over $50,000 to go in 10 minutes.

 Scarab83 Including paypal they reached over 4 million

 DigitalNoodle  Scarab83 really on the kickstarter thingy they only reached just over 3.9 million...?

 keichimorisato9  Scarab83 The Paypal funds were not displayed on  kickstarter.

 DigitalNoodle  Scarab83 i see

 JackBooze Single player, fantasy, isometric RPG. Like the good old classics.

 Scarab83

 Don't forget Wasteland 2.

Proud to be a supporter of all of them.

 M-S-M-S  Scarab83 

Shadowrun returns?

 Infinity18 Looks like lots of people can, myself included. Does that rustle your jimmies?

 Scarab83 no it does not, just a question. Last few games of obsidian that i bought were junk.

 Infinity18  Scarab83 

Simple answer, is that the last game, Alpha Protocol, showed a lot of promise, but the time constraint from SEGA, forced them to ship an incomplete game. FNV was amazing, but was also rushed, after the patches it became ace.

What makes this great, is that the same devs that made Fallout 1,2 Neverwinter nights 2 and Planescape Torment among many other timeless classics, are given the funding and resources they need without any time constraints, publisher requirements, or oversight. Which in my view would result in a product that meets our expectations.

 Volgin  Well lets hope they produce some gold, instead of the many failures ( my opinion )  that obsidian has produced in the past.

 Volgin  Infinity18  Scarab83 Didn't Interplay make the first Fallout? And I think Black Isle mad the second one.

 poster012  Volgin  Scarab83 Yes you are right.

 saoe 

Because CoD is actually worth my money, yeah right.

I'd rather give away my money to some drunk hobo, and watch him buy beer with it, 60$ worth of beer, drink it in front of me, give me the finger, grin at me with his yellow baked teeth, to top it all off, have him kick me in the nads, than give my money to another lame, boring CoD, a sorry excuse for a game.

 Volgin  saoe lol....

couldnt put better than you....

lol....:)

Well spoken....

 saoe CoD has NOTHING to do with Project Eternity... they couldnt pay me enough to support a CoD Kickstarter

 saoe By not putting our faith into the vision of devs, we pave the way for stagnation through safe repetition at the hands of publishers. Many of us expect the industry to be altruistic, to be all about the quality of the result, but in the end everyone must eat. So if we do not risk, do not trust, how will we ever get both the games we deserve and the games we want?

 myungish I also like to see the finished product before deciding to purchase a game. From what I have seen it looks very promising, but most games who have failed to interest me did that, so I'll wait and see. Though the real reason I'm not donating is because I have lots of other games to play, but this is my most anticipated Kickstarter game. Without publishers breathing down their necks about deadlines and whatnot, they might produce something really good (they better, with 3,6 million and counting). By the time I'm done with my backlog of games, Project Eternity will have been released and gotten it's first expansion, so I'll buy the Complete Edition then.

 msfan1289 

Not really, please elaborate on what is so disgusting.

 Volgin yes it is

a well known well established developer, that have links and people int eh gaming industry, that made pretty good games, are on kickstarter asking for money. You dont see a problem with this? with all the games they made, and some are good, made fair amounts of money, they should be able to fund them selfs, not go on kickstarter and ask for money, what they are that broke they can give for a year or so on there own? leave kickstarter for what it was reall meant for. real small time indie teams that is make or break, not for well known well established, companies that have the money, just want more money so they dont have use there own money.

 msfan1289  Volgin Most of the money made goes to the publishers.  Using Kickstarter gives them the opportunity to develop a game without the use of a publisher...WHICH means they can go around at their pace, add content like they want without a publisher telling them what to do, how to do it and when to release...aka, they can work without pressure.  Which hopefully will amount to a better game.

 Aleksanian  msfan1289  Volgin Just means they want to bypass the EA stupidity which is fine by my book.

 Aleksanian  msfan1289  Volgin Well the developers don't really make most of the prophets from a video game, the publishers do. Publishers are the funders of various projects. Its a collaborative process too. Sometimes publishers can get in the way of things developers want to do. Like an isometric fantasy RPG. what do you think a publisher wants to invest in more, a first person shooter "RPG" like fallout, or an isometric RPG like Diablo or baldur's gate. Theres a reason why most games that come out today are shooters or first person, it's called Call of Duty. This is a way for big developers to make a game that they want to make and that fans want to see. Its not like they're holding a gun to people's heads forcing them to give money. The money comes from the fans directly. Also, the developers probably won't make much of a prophet from this project. 

 msfan1289 

As others have said, most of the money goes to the publishers, Alpha Protocol went Sega, New Vegas to Bethesda, etc.. etc.., Even then in the example of New Vegas Obsidian did not make a single dime because Bethesda refused to pay them since New Vegas had a low Metacritic user score.

Most of the funding does not come from the studios, studios never have enough money to fund, do you think Bioware funds Mass Effect or Dragon Age? they would go broke with all the expenses, EA, the publisher does the funding.

Obsidian used Kickstarter, becayse no publisher would touch an old school isometric cRPG, because the market of today is casual facebook games and Call of Duty clones. Which left them with only Kickstarter to fund their game, kudos for them.

 Volgin @gameguy182, @Aleksanian, doesnt matter seems like they make enough money to stay in business, they are very well known, very well established, knows people in the industry, that they dont need Kickstater. yeah make a old school game cause no one wants to touch it, well they been in business for a while they should have enough to "live" on there own. you guys totally missed the whole point. the whole point for kickstarter was so small time teams can find a way to fund there dream, make there dreams come true and kickstart there dream career, not for these big shots come in and beg for money, and leave out the smaller teams that really need the money.

you see if this keeps up people will expect that ALL game projects on kickstarter will need to be in the same level as a begging AAA developer asking for money on kickstater. argue that. dont aruge that they will by pass the publisher, i can careless thats not what my argument is.

 msfan1289 

Excuse me, but do you happen to have an insight on their finances? I mean unless you have their ledger, then I doubt you have basis to claim that they can finance such a project on their own.

Second of all, public funding of this project insures good sales, no matter what, the game is sold before it was made, and Obsidian incurs no losses. Not that I have any doubt that the game is going to be awesome.

As well as relating to the community closer, the game would be catered to the customers liking, and have direct feedback from them. It's our game as much as it is theirs.

Third, I expect people to be mature enough to understand, when a company is able to deliver "AAA" content or not, when someone asks for 50,000 to fund an indie game I trust that the pledgers know that it's not going to be "AAA" quality. This is a big speculation with no basis whatsoever, where have I seen people on Kickstarter begging to game projects to be on the same level as Obsidian's. You get what you paid for, and if they are mature enough to own their own credit card, and they are mature enough to understand this.

 Volgin excuse me yes i do, think about it hey been in business for a while means they personally made money to live other wise they would be doing something else, they have the money asking for more money with money they can put out of pocket is just disgusting.

and NO people are not mature as we think people are, people are just as stupid to see if they can do this then ill fund this project instead of a team asking less then $50,000. people think like that they dont think of oh ill help them out, the more this keeps up the more higher expectations REAL indie teams will have reach. if I get paid over $60,000 and I mean OVER $60,000 a year not just $60,000 Over meaning higher for several years, then im pretty sure there is enough money in the kitty to support your self for a few months. this is to fund entrepreneurship not for keep funding a success.

 msfan1289  Volgin 

hmm, i dont get your point here, think of all this as one giant pre-order,  no one is saying that only unproven studios should use kickstarter. do you know what will happen if Obsiadian screw with P:E, theyll probably shut the dors and thats it, because theyll loose any credibility they have left

@msfan1289 Fine, show me proof, proof that Obsidian has the money to fund such a game, just because they have been in the business for so long means nothing, all their previous games had publisher financing, if they had the money, Alpha Protocol would have been funded and published by them and not Sega, and to top it all off, It was a flop, which means they lost money over it. So, hardcore gamers such as myself are going to suffer, and not fund Obsidian because other devs might get jealous? First of all that is ridiculous, that's like the teacher telling you, you can't go to the toilet, even tho you really have to, because then everyone else will want to go, ridiculous. Second, Obsidian supports kicking it forward where they support other indie project to get the funding they need by giving away 5% of the total pledged amount, seems pretty generous to me, especially since the total pledged so far is 3.6 million. Oh how disgusting indeed.