Halo 4 pirates facing permanent XBL bans?

 jpm1276 But that doesn't make a lot of sense does it.  What costs more.  A single game, or a new console and XBL membership? 

Also any Arcade games and DLC purchased under the gamertag will be lost as well (unless they want to play offline). 

Not to mention the cost of time.  Any achievements earned on the banned gamertag will be lost and have to be unlocked again. 

If anyone planning to pirate the game doesn't think any of that matters, *shrug* that is fine, but for me that wouldn't be worth the risk.  Not for a single game.  Not for $60 saved. 

 blastmaster2k2 So because they do not have "as much passion," according to you, in stopping cheaters as they do pirates, they must think that cheaters are alright and pirates are not, and so because of this unbased accusation the game should fail? First off, please explain to me what you mean by "cheaters," what your plan would be in stopping these "cheaters," how Microsoft does not have "much passion" in stopping them and what that passion would look like, and what the connection between Microsoft choosing to ban players because they pirated copies of an unreleased game and that 343 Industries' game should fail because of it is please. Thank you.

 blastmaster2k2 You're right, I've heard them say many times, on record, that "cheaters are alright".  I believe Frank even had it tattooed on his arm.  In fact, so strong is their belief in this motto, that the first 10,000 cheaters in the game will receive all the DLC for free.  And not just for Halo 4 but for every Microsoft game ever made until the end of time. 

 mr-gadgets Agreed on the spoilers part, whether it's games, movies, or TV shows.  And it's extra difficult for me because I'm not the type that usually gets games or sees movies/TV shows as soon as they are released.  So I have to be real careful whom I talk to and which sites I visit if I don't wanna know too much.

It'll never happen.

and I a correct.

 DespVand If your friend can afford to buy a second console -- even a used one -- then I'm guessing that he can afford to buy games legitimately.

Based on what he wrote, it sounds like his buddy DOES buy games legitimately. He 'tests' them first on the modded system, then IF THEY ARE WORTHY of $60, he purchases them for thorough enjoyment on his unmodded system.If the alternative is not buying games at all for fear of getting a bad game, I'd say that this is GOOD for the industry. Besides, they've already proven that second hand game sales hurt the industry worse than piracy, so would you rather his friend did that?

 Stabba_The_Kutt First, there are too many demos available for me to believe that anyone needs to bootleg a game in order to "test" it these days.

Second, buying bad games is part of the risk of gaming.  It's part of the reason that review sites like this one do so well.  I'm less interested in what any individual thinks of a game than I am about getting an overall impression of the game.

Third, I haven't seen any proof that used games are hurting people's bottom lines.  I've seen lots of bellyaching about it, but nothing that I see as proof of it.  My guess is that bootlegging (read, potentially infinite copies) takes a much bigger bite out of the bottom line than second-hand sales (read, finite copies).

Finally, I should have put every mention of the so-called "friend" in quotation marks.  We all know that there's no "friend" here.

PS -- Ultimately I don't care what any one person does.  I just don't see the point of trying to justify bootlegging as good for the industry.

I disagree. Piracy shouldn't be PUNISHED. People who make legitimate purchases should be REWARDED.

Furthermore, sites like pirate bay should have to donate a significant portion of their profits to some sort of an industry recognition fund, which would allow developers to see a bit of money from their own pirated software. I know this isn't a perfect solution, but pirates are going to pirate, and the developers are the ones who deserve the $$. Unfortunately, they see such a small portion of the proceeds even from what you would call legitimate sales, so don't expect money grubbing industry executives to make any concessions any time soon.

 drsedii

 well god luck with messing with sony, they will ban your ass like geo hotz as well, permanent no account tied to psn if you mess with them, and probably worse since then, better quit down your path of self destruction. i can imagine a piracy charge would ruin your life pretty well for any technology job.

trolling me with your idiotic comments, self-destruction?? awesome :)

 drsedii

 make your move idiot, my histories are well documented in the system so good luck chump. that way if you wanna play games i will ruin you.

 wizo59mt lol a tad bit emotional over a halo dont you think?

 wizo59mt im just procrastinating studying for midterms lol, dont cry buddy :)

 wizo59mt trolll!! emotional troll!!!

ps3 updates its fw to increase security, xbox 360? BAN BAN BAN! lol

 drsedii

 glad i can still play my xbox account, mightjust have to resurrect it for halo 4.

 wizo59mt why not send them to the gas chambers? 

 drsedii  Good call.

Sorry what was your argument against piracy ? Your getting something for nothing ? You realize that's a pretty obvious point and probably did not enlighten anyone right ? no offense. 

 dkdk999 Obvious, yes. It should be. But most pirates I've argued with over the years seem to think they are actually entitled, and label publishers "greedy" for expecting something as obvious as... revenue. Then there's the delusional stories and garbage statistics trying justify or prove in vain that piracy isn't impacting sales, or the "i wouldn't buy it if i couldn't pirate it", which misses the point completely. Its sad.

 Lhomity so paying for online multiplayer isnt greedy..? lol how about paying for dlc? Hmm if you  grew up in the 90s and gamed on pc youd be shocked to believe people are paying for both. 

 drsedii  Lhomity

 igrew up playing games in the late eighties and ninties and never have once felt the urge to pirate, and yeah i pay for my habits and addictions. drsedii you sound like scum imo.

 wizo59mt  Lhomity bahhhahaha your a clown kill yourself! 

 wizo59mt  Lhomity i have 2 copys of battlefield, steam account loaded with games. I pay for GOOD games, Games i enjoy. Grow some balls and stop bitching about piracy. 

 drsedii  Lhomity

 bwahhha drsedii you ball havent even dropped yet, thats why you sit infront of game screen and eat high fructose corn syrup all day, you fat bastard, go learn what sex and for get about your games, pirate.

 how did you know? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151060667924792&set;=a.430852814791.222644.855094791&type;=1&theater; fat indeed :) wizo59mt  Lhomity

 wizo59mt  Lhomity all people who pirate halo 4 are fat evil fucks that are going to hell :D

 drsedii A paid service like Gold doesn't constitute greed. If you don't like it, buy a PC, a PS3 or a Wii U.

The far cheaper, quicker and easier to develop, more expensive cartridge games, and far less sophisticated PC's of the 90s have nothing to do with what is happening in the real world today, and your dislike for being charged money for items of value is your own problem. (Yes, a piece of DLC is an item of value too, that costs time and money to develop, and please, spare me the shallow and greedy "it should have been in the game" argument.)

 Lhomity How is wanting to try before you buy not a legitimate reason? Why should a company make money for tricking people through advertising into thinking their sub-par product is good? In this instance I don't see the point, but in general digital piracy is a good thing.