The Evolutions & Constants of Final Fantasy

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GameSpot Asia's Jonathan Toyad talks about the many tropes and themes of the classic JRPG series, from its story themes to its overall game design philosophy.

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jzh2 5 pts

Started playing the FF series with FFIX. It still remains my favorite. But FFX comes in a close second. My brothers all say FFIII was the best of the them all but I have yet to try it. As for my experience with the later games I was very dissapointed in FFXII on account of the poor story. It started out well enough and it had some great characters. But it felt lacking in the end, no mind blowing twist. I felt the game was only half ended when I actually finished it. FFXIII had the same issue even worse. Along with a story that felt unfinished was a linear plot, lvling system, and world that beame monotonous and took away one of FF's major strengths in world exploration. FFXIII did have good characters more or less, I liked Lightning, Snow, and Fang a lot. But it needed a character like Auron (mysterious mentor and leader) in it to balance it out better.

As for gameplay, I loved FFX the most with the idea of switching the characters in and out as needed. You were never thinking 'I wish I would have put this guy in' or 'Dang, I need to lvl this persons abilities more.' I was fine the the experimentation in FFXII and FFXIII with the idea of real time battles instead of turn based. But FFXII kinda just turned into a confusing mess of blue, red, and green lines that took away from the battle itself. FFXIII was much better but camera angles got very confusing at times.

 

After FFXIII I was getting a bit worried SquareEnix had lost it's touch with what made Final Fantasy games so special. Deep story, engaging battle system that made you think tactics, versatile characters and relationships between them that delved deep into the story itself, and a villain you loved to hate. But with the release of FFXIII-2 my hope was kindled again. I loved the story, extremely engaging. The battle system was much much better and felt like it still had a bit of the FFVII and FFIX touch to it while still keeping the innovation of FFXIII. I enjoyed how both Sarah and Noel played so well into the story and were central to what happened in the world. The time travelling element, though inconsistent at times, brought back the feel of open world exploration that was missing in FFXIII. And I especially loved Caius as the anatogonist.

Now I'm not saying FFXIII-2 was a return to glory, it wasn't, but it surely seemed to point in that direction. I am definitely hoping for a FFXIII-3 that brings everything full circle.

Last note is the fact that the one area where all the FF's have never failed are the amazing graphics and wonderous cutscenes.

psx_warrior 53 pts

 jzh2

 You seriously need to play FF VII.  It's cheap on psn and can be bought on the pc as well.  The game is all kinds of awesome as far as story and music go.  In fact, I can't stress enough how incredible the music in that game is.  There's a reason One Winged Angel is so popular.  It's not Sephiroth's main theme, or it didn't start out as that, but that song evolved into his theme over time because people associate it with Sephiroth because of how awesome it is.  One person beat his first form and said, "I beat him!  YAY!!!"  (cue One Winged Angel)  "Huh, wha, what tha???"

zeronem 6 pts

I miss the sandbox like style of the previous Final Fantasy games.  Bring that back please.  FFVI for the snes was my first FF game and that game will always be the best in my eyes. When FFVII came out I loved the hell out of it but I felt it took alot from FFVI, like for instance instead of espers it was the cetra(Ancients), and so on and so on.  FFIX makes honorable mentions.  FFVIII had a great interesting world to explore, and especially liked the side story of Laguna.  Wish they would write a novel based on Lagunas Travels.  Anyways, bring back the sandbox style of the previous FF games.

Cybermoja 7 pts

FF13, the only final fantasy game that I didn't finish. Got too boring and stopped playing it half way. What's happening to the series.

asakapala15 7 pts

FFVII to FFX are the best in my opinion..well except now thou..

Metallicwolf29 202 pts

After FF10, every final fantasy has been crap. I miss the turn based fighting system, the open world exploration, the amazing graphics and storyline. Ever since squaresoft became square enix, the franchise has never been the same. 

Fembot_Eulogy 26 pts

To respond to the question 'should the changes be welcomed, or the old ways reborn?' (or something to that effect).. I think there needs to be a change in the Final Fantasy name with these newer games. It no longer looks or feels anything like a FF from before VII. I've been around since FF1 was first brought to the NES everything has changed so drastically that I almost feel like I may have given the newer games a fighting chance if they had gone under a different name. I say that because FF has already been etched in my mind in a specific and profound way. The newer games take away from those great experiences and memories rather than enhance them. 

kerodrake 10 pts

There used to be a time where Limit Breaks really brings ease to defeating UBER-HP Bosses.. 

Beardof_Zeus456 10 pts

I don't agree with everything you say but have watched a couple of your vids and have really enjoyed them. Great stuff Jonathan.

Fembot_Eulogy 26 pts

 BSEE10 Aside from the strange use of English, that's a good question!

koentjethebest 15 pts

Ugh FFX theme song gave me goosebumps... so many good memory's

kohle36 167 pts

Final Fantasy is just a brand. Everyone of importance who worked on the classics left Square during or shortly after the merger. What I would love is for Mistwalker or Monolith Studios to put out another expansive 16-bit jrpg with all the same attention to design, story, and music that the old Squaresoft teams are capable of.

Nyc-WiLL 44 pts

FF1-10 best games all this new crap is garbage nuff said

anuragd948 5 pts

his accent's freakin difficult to understand.

Scorpion1813 338 pts

I have only played from FFX onwards and still feel that FFX is the best. Not only in story-telling and character development (as well as having awesome characters like Kimahri), but also the combat system and other meta-games such as Blitzball.

 

FFX-2's fighting system (the semi-real-time battles), excluding the silly dress-spheres is probably the best system I have seen. I couldn't get into FFXII, and FFXIII's fighting engine was a simplified and dumbed-down version of FFX-2.

 

I think a nice blend between FFX and FFX-2 would be the best kind of fighting system. And I think there needs to be more asian themes (like in FFX) in future FF games - most seem to be based on Euro.

koentjethebest 15 pts

 Scorpion1813 agree on that system it def has the FF feel to it, also bringing back the open world, sidequest and secrets would be nice to see along with some amazing fantasy scenery, after all it's called FINAL fantasy not random fantasy

Scorpion1813 338 pts

 koentjethebest I don't mind them being linear instead of open-world. To be honest the story in FFX was that amazing that I barely noticed , and didn't mind at all, that the game was so linear.

 

But there are other games where I will really put down a game just for this one thing. I think it has to do with feeling like you are actually in another world. FF games do that well.Most other series usually fall short and the linear paths are unnatural and quite predictable.

arsenal1111 48 pts

 Scorpion1813 Then you need to go back and play the previous FF; you've missed some of the best games in the franchise. Play from FF6 all the way through 9.

Metallicwolf29 202 pts

 Scorpion1813 FF10 was great but the best will always be 7

majinjet 13 pts

FInal Fantasy was a well renowned and worshipped series ever since the days of VI, VII and VIII....after that we are seeing a decline....not in the way that its completely bad but in a way that there are mixed opinions on the new games especially XIII....XIII brought a complete change and had the greatest graphics 4 a Final Fantasy game to date but what caused the mixed opinions is the story and battle system...As for Versus XIII, it doesnt even look like one but that cant be a bad thing since its putting in the action RPG style of Kingdom Hearts and that really is a great thing in my opinion...its about time the series took some initiative in the action RPG line...bottom line is, gone are the days of the old series, change is what we really need even though we dont realize it.....best example is Call of Duty...u can see how the fans h8 the news CODs due to the same things repainted and pasted...

Metallicwolf29 202 pts

 majinjet I actually think the decline happened after FF10. FF9 and FF10 were great games and kept a lot of the original FF formula intact. 

BloodyAura 37 pts

I love the FF series! Well,all but the recent two,I think they should be more like the older games;however, you can't fault them for trying something new. That said, I saw a playthrough demo on YouTube of ff Versus, and thought, ''this does'nt look like a FF game!'',but it's still in the making so mabe they'll fix the combat,mabe I'm the one who cares about that,as oppose to the more flashy,here today,gone tomorrow games,that this ff Versus looks like it's headed;hopefully we see it in this century!

TheBlackEclipse 115 pts

The games were best before they became 3D in my opinion. IV is my favorite, but I do think that V and III are very under appreciated. Every game after VI was okay, but not as good as the classics on the NES/SNES. I've always been under the opinion that the 16 bit era was also the golden age for RPG's.

vincent_tai 19 pts

I think Square Enix did well to release FF Dimensions recently so gamers can re-live the "traditional" style Final Fantasy.  For a series that spans 14 iterations (excluding spin-offs) I think it is nice to have some variety, for better or worse.  Can't wait to see what they will do in Lightning Returns.

clouduos 7 pts

im in love with Final Fantasy ^.^ 

soulless4now 338 pts

Now that I'm thinking about, where the hell is my FFX HD?! C'mon, Square. If it's just a remaster it shouldn't be taking this long....

mr_toffee 10 pts moderator

 soulless4now FF Producer Shinji Hashimoto and Square Enix has "no comment" on this so far. I asked them during the FF Anniversary event weekend. 

Paul2004 59 pts

VI is my fav, had a great story with interesting characters all wrapped up with a crazy clown lol. The past games were good, i still remember playing IX (My first FF) then going backwards but over time other series have copied the FF type for other games such as the Suikoden games. It does have to evolve with the times but while i like XIII the linier gameplay was annoying, we wanna return to some places to look for missed items or just look around for the hell of it. Ive played all offline FF games (1-10, 12 and 13, online doesnt interest me) and each was unique in its own way. I just hope that they start seperating the online games from offline (Instead of 14, give it some subtitle like the Wii titles...)

Erdi90 11 pts

i liked final fantasy xiii, i dont where does all that hate come from. and personally, i think FFX is the best one so far. storytelling and graphics are mainly why i was so into final fantasy in the first place so i dont get why you guys hate xiii so much...

cellbuster 22 pts

 Erdi90 I think people were expecting something else.  Not many people would really say that it was a bad game, but it didn't really have a final fantasy feel.  I personally love FFXIII

Fembot_Eulogy 26 pts

 cellbuster  Erdi90 I think all the hate comes from the older players who have expectations that don't get met. I personally got bored of the series because it seemed to loose its flavour after a while, kind of like 'long-lasting bubblegum'. Sure the flavour lasts for a while, but when it's gone, there's no getting that taste back. The newer games kind of feel lost, like they're trying to find their way back to some semblance of FF. The newer generation of players seem to love the newer games, and that's fine, all the power to them. I just find myself uninterested in the latest and 'greatest' because it's been there done that.  

chipwithdip 86 pts

Look folks, old FF games are nice, but the series can't just stay that way. When it comes to turn-based combat, casuals aren't gonna like it that much cause it gets stale, and on top of that, it isn't competitive like Pokemon is. So yea, new direction needed to keep FF on the map. I would have preferred if they kept things similar to XII with the freedom, hunts. and customization, but that's just me (spent a good 60 hours on that game...failed to unlock only 1 thing Q_Q). Still, the absolute WORST thing they could do is go backwards to full-blown turn-based combat.

Atombomb1981 19 pts

Final Fantasy VIII is my personal favorite, for some reason it has the perfect mix of storytelling and gameplay. Every garden needs good seeds.

shazz_rulez19 7 pts

In my opinion and i mean in my opinion i still think that versus can save the series from the disaster its at by the hands of XIII.

Metallicwolf29 202 pts

 shazz_rulez19 FF versus will finally put the last nail in the coffin of the Final Fantasy franchise. They need to remake 7-10 and get their fans back. 

shazz_rulez19 7 pts

@Metallicwolf29 dude i think that versus still has a chance whereas the nails and the coffin part the last nail will be put in by LRFFXIII. Versus still has a bloody chance to pull those nails back.

Pete5506 136 pts

Final Fantasy lX is my personal favorite, followed by Vl and V. 

The latest games to the series have been a pretty big disappointment to me but it still hasn't stopped me from playing them and getting an enjoyment out of them. I can't say they were at all memorable games to me, but still something worth playing. It may not be on the same level of what FF lX or Vl put off on the scale of greatness or replayability but something a fan shouldn't miss. 

 

 

 

 

RPG_Fan_I_Am 83 pts

 Pete5506 Other then FFV, I completly agree with you. XI and VI were the best ones to me too. and I enjoyed XIII even though it wasn't amazing, it wasn't bad either.

shadow580 188 pts

If I read another line that has FF7 in it, I will puke. Sheeple, it's 2012 already.

CLOCKWORKIAN 96 pts

 shadow580 I personally think we should destroy every game that was released before January first of this year, because OBVIOUSLY we should never acknowledge the greatness of games made in the past.

Metallicwolf29 202 pts

 shadow580 sorry bud, FF7 was the best of the franchise. Period

shadow580 188 pts

 Metallicwolf29 ''was'', lol. Keep living in the 90s.

gringoloco175 10 pts

I really do not mind the linearity of the more recent final fantasies. In FFX case they made a really great game with excellent story. FFXIII failed cause it was also linear but the story sucked, or at least they did not tell it very well. I am fine with playing on a set path as long as its interesting. In FFX I wanted to find out what happens next and between finding out the next plot twist you were finding out about the characters to keep you going. 13 had too many times where it would be hours of meaningless irrelevant banter between characters before something interesting happened. On a side note I think final fantasy 12 was perfect in terms of its balance between Freedom and Story. After any long sequence of being stuck in an airship or mine shaft you always had the chance to go and do whatever you wanted, regardless of how pressing the main story line was.

super_voltron 17 pts

 gringoloco175

 you could get enjoyment out of almost any game if your really forgiving. with the amount of great content out there I find it a waste of time to play something i think is "alright" or "not that bad"

 

It's funny in the past japanese where the kings of rpgs but now north america seems to making the best rpgs (allot more control and variety)

Birth00 66 pts

I wish they'd go back to telling a simply, more relatable story instead of something complex and convulated that requires you to read through menus of flavor text just to understand basic terminologies like la'cie or fal'cie. Yeah, I don't like FFXIII too much.

 

To me, the best stories came out of 4,6,7 and 9.

Devil_Spooky 10 pts

Wait what? Since when did Aerith summoned meteor? She died just so she could be able to stop it from destroying the Planet. Sephiroth is the one that did it, not Aerith...

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