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Coffee Talk: NFP

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This weekly thread is a place where you can share your struggles, triumphs, links, resources, concerns, and questions about all things related to Natural Family Planning.

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Please try to be gentle. I’m in a very fragile place postpartum with my seventh child.

As background, had it been up to me I would not have had more than three or four children, but we converted to Catholicism after our fourth child and have never really done well with NFP. This is not the fault of my husband being pushy or unsympathetic, in fact it is probably mostly due to my being unable to read my symptoms very well, but we live in a part of the country where there is little support for NFP and there are no Creighton teachers, before someone suggests that. Anyway, at this point I am not open to life. Not. At. All. And I don’t trust NFP.

How do I reconcile my husband’s natural desire to engage in relations eventually and the fact that the thought of another pregnancy and child makes me weepy and depressed?

 

Oh my dear, I am right here with you, except our sixth child is a year old now and we converted after our 3rd child!  The thought of another child also makes me weepy and depressed, and I just enjoyed 13 months of no fertility due to nursing.  My husband jokes that we just must not be that good at NFP.  Most days I feel like I might lose my mind.  The only consolation today for me came in the form of a sweet woman at our local market, who told me that she has 9 children and they have all been a blessing. She showed me, yet again, the huge gift that a big family is, even though it is terribly, terribly difficult right now. 

I love my husband more than anything and I love to be with him and show him my love.  He is the love of my life.  My question too is how do I show him this love when I know I am not ready to handle another baby right now?  I will pray for you and for all other stressed-to-the-max mommas!

 

Gentle hugs here, No Name!
Something helpful I’ve picked up from these forums & the community here is that Creighton + fertility monitor or Marquette + fertility monitor seems to provide a tremendous amount of practical reassurance to couples in your situation. 
I can say with about 99% certainty that if you go to http://www.fertilitycare.org and, using the “Contact Us” link, if no instructor is available in your area, you may be able to do distance lessons.  Maybe even Skype?
Just try not to lump everything together right now: your knowledge level with the stress level with the post-partum fun with the marriage “tension” (for lack of an immediate better word right now) with the whole “open to life” concept and terminology…one step at a time; ask God to show you the way. Information/education is key to feeling confident about fertile signs; then you and your dh go from there with God.

 

Cyber hugs, ladies.  Some things are just not easy.  I do promise though that someday, eventually, your fertility will diminish and then end.  Hollow words, I know.

I, too, had a lot of difficulty in reading the signs of fertility and made a number of “mistakes”, but I was able to figure out roughly when I conceived my children.  For me, I conceived late in my cycle…4 to 6 days after my mucus started drying up.  With that information, I learned to be riskier at the beginning of my fertile window, and much less risky toward the end.  So, I might still have relations on day 12 of my cycle, but would wait a whole week from the drying of the mucus, even though many forms of NFP said I should be fine by the evening of day 4 of drying up.  Even though you feel you have failed at NFP, do you think you can identify approximately when you conceived?  If you can find a pattern, that might give you some comfort in knowing that you have never conceived in a certain window of your cycle, and then limit your intimacy to that time.

 

You are where I was a few years ago after our 5th (and I was 42).  You really do need support!  Please don’t make the mistake we did and have a vasectomy (we consulted a non-orthodox priest).  There is not a day that goes by that I don’t regret it. My kids got older, and I would have been able to handle another baby if that is what God asked of me. It may not seem that your fertility is a gift, but believe me it is.  My aunt just spent a month in the hospital - she had 8 children.  They live all over the country.  And they took turns taking care of her - she was never alone in that whole month.  We don’t know why God gives some of us more fertility than others, but I am sure we will find out when we die.  One thing I really needed was more help but I didn’t know who to ask.  Please talk to someone at your parish - I am telling you that if you were at my parish, I would come over and babysit all 7 of them just so you could get out for awhile.  I will pray for you - I can say that my decision would have been very different 8 years ago if I had had this forum.

 

I am so sorry to hear you are struggling. I only have four and have absolutely felt just like you do right now! What you are feeling right now is completely understandable. Your family is a great testimony to your openness to life and your great trust in God. Don’t feel like you have to continue to prove it by having another child. Your family size is between you, your husband, and God. Though what I think doesn’t matter, it sounds to me that you have very good reasons to avoid another pregnancy in the near future. There are a lot of methods of NFP out there to help us work with our bodies to naturally space our children; the key is to find the one that works for you and your husband.

May I recommend the Marquette Method? It has been a great blessing for us in many ways - mainly in helping me figure out what my body was doing postpartum. Also, importantly, it took the interpretation out of my hands. Whether it was true before, I often felt like I was the one saying “no,” but now we have the monitor and the online charting and it’s all objective. They have a fabulous online forum in which nurses respond within 24 hours to any questions, even on Christmas Eve, all of which is anonymous. I have found them to be kind and sympathetic as well as knowledgeable. If you use their online charting (which is not required at all), they can access them and help you figure out what’s going on. I highly recommend the forum for any questions up front because the online instructions are not very clear. In the forum, you can explain exactly where you are (how many months postpartum, how often you’re nursing, age, etc., whatever you think is relevant) and they’ll tell you exactly how to get started and what to do.

There can be long stretches of abstinence as fertility returns, but in my experience the postpartum period itself was much easier to interpret than with our previous method.

Please feel free to email me (click through to my blog) if you’d like more information. Better yet, Google the Marquette method and sign up for the forum to ask questions there. Know that I’ll be praying for you.

 

Many hugs to you! Just so you know you are not alone, I was weepy and scared for 4 years…it took that long for me to truly be “open” to life again. During those years though, like many others suggested, I turned to prayer for help. Thankfully, my husband was incredibly patient, and no—we didn’t abstain for 4 years, but we were exremely careful. I also feel God was merciful as well. Even after we passed that 4 year point, I wasn’t sure I could handle another, but at least I was no longer so terrified of the thought, and I did believe that if we did conceive again, God would send the graces we’d need. However…it’s been another 9 years, and no conception. Please just try to take it one day at a time—even while you don’t trust NFP, realize that anything else someone may try to offer you is not 100% ‘foolproof’ either. I will keep you and your husband in my prayers.

 

I would highly suggest the Marquette Method.  It is very easy to use and the symptoms are extremely easy to evaluate.  You can get pretty much on the information for it online.  http://nfp.marquette.edu/

 

I echo Marquette. Or even a sympto-thermal method…that way you have two signs to rely on (either monitor or temperature + mucus). I can’t say too much about effectiveness because I’ve only been using it for 3 months, but I feel so much more comfortable with it. It just seems less formulaic than some of the other methods (no counting temp differences, charting ups and downs, etc.) It has also been simple and effective as I am 8 months postpartum, and it has worked for us! And even though it is hard to step back from the thick of life, know that this is a season, be it long or short, and there will be an end to it!

 

Many prayers!!! That is a difficult place to be!

As for NFP, another method might suit you better.  I highly reccomend going over your pregnancy charts with an experienced instructor.  You can do that by phone, email, Skype!  A future with NFP can seem extremely scary if you aren’t sure how your pregnancies happened, but if someone can offer an explanation it might help you feel more confident about what can be done differently.  It’s also SO critical to thoroughly learn a method of NFP (any method) from an instructor when it’s time to seriously TTA.  If you’ve never had the chance to do that before, due to the lack of resources in your area…maybe that’s one last thing you can try before giving up on it altogether.  There are so many instructors who are willing to work with clients long distance, from all methods of NFP.  In our marriage, we’ve tried 3 different types before finding one that suited us best and have had no surprises with it in 8 years.  http://www.learnnfponline.com/

 

Talk to a good, orthodox priest, because, as Catholics, we must be open to life.  Not trusting NFP must not lead to the use of artificial contraception.  That is why it is imperative that you get the guidance of a good and holy priest at this time.  God bless you.

 

No name: Have you taken any NFP classes or read any books? My husband and I never took any classes, and we just started using NFP after we just had our first baby 8 months ago. So far it has worked like a charm! All I did was read Toni Weschler’s “Taking Charge of your Fertility.” I started charting my cycles, checking mucus and taking my temp and my husband and I have been successful at avoiding for 6 months now. In her book she explains clear cut rules to follow in order to avoid pregnancy. Abstaining can be difficult, especially when it may have to be longer sometime, but if you are not emotionally ready to have more children then I’m sure you know that it would be worth it. And, after charting my cycles for about 3 months, it became 2nd nature to me, and I just knew when my body was fertile and when I would be ovulating. I know that some women’s signs may not be as clear cut, but I think Toni Weschler’s book is great and I definitely recommend it!

 

I’m right there with you, only I’m postpartum with my 4th (who is 4 wks old right now). I’m so afraid of getting pregnant again, and any time soon. I’m no where near fertile and yet I’m afraid to get close to my husband. This always happens postpartum with me, but I feel like it’s way worse this time. I have health issues, a chronic illness, and very very difficult pregnancies, so even though my husband and I would eventually welcome another child IF I KNEW GOD was asking that of me… we are praying about it and truly would rather not be pregnant or ever deal with that all again. The pain for me is unbearable. Which makes life for my other children and my family equally difficult. I know NFP works, but it is always scary trusting God with using it to abstain/postpone. We spaced our last two exactly how we wanted, but we did take a POSTPARTUM NFP class which helped tremendously. Once our confidence was back with the NFP (as someone said, the more knowledge you have about it the better you’ll feel) and we were VERY very careful (a LOT of abstaining) to be absolutely sure we didn’t get pregnant- until my cycles were back to very regular (took a good year or so) and then we could follow my cycle easier. It does work, but you may have to abstain more and only be together when you are POSITIVE you will not get pregnant. As someone else said, run to Christ and to the Church. They should and will be there for you during this time. Hang in there!

 

My husband and I have been using NFP loosely for about 7 years now.  We were ignorantly using contraception beforehand thinking that the church was ok with it.  In my opinion, not enough priests are talking about his openly with their parishes.  Anyway, in that time, we have added one more blessing to our family, and just recently experienced a miscarriage.  I am 42, and after almost five years of rolling the dice, I figured I was at the end of my reproductive years.  I was very taken aback by finding out I was pregnant, moved through the emotions and get very excited about a new baby.  As it turns out, the miscarriage was most likely due to a bad egg being fertilized, and nevertheless, the loss has been very hard.  I want to avoid having this happen again, but I have no idea how a miscarriage affects fertility in the following weeks, and like I said, we have been following NFP loosely (really just using symptoms as a guide), and I have no idea how to monitor myself once the bleeding from the miscarriage stops.  Any help would be most appreciated.

 

Angie, after my miscarriages, my cycles returned about 4 weeks from the time I started bleeding with the miscarriage.  I bled for quite some just like I had given birth, so it seemed like I had just stopped one when I started again. 

I am sorry for your loss.  I do recommend you take prenatal vitamins all the time.  I had three miscarriages in a row after 6 healthy pregnancies and did loads of research.  I decided that perhaps my advanced maternal age meant my body needed extra help.  I started taking Professional Prenatal brand vitamins - more stuff in them than the standard type.  My next pregnancy was fine.  I hate to think I could have prevented the other losses if I had only been taking vitamins.

 

Asking for prayers today as I prepare for a visit from my non-Catholic, liberal, pro-choice mother next week. The last time she saw me in May, I was in the ICU after surgery to remove a benign brain tumor. She has never been a fan of our decision to use NFP and, since my health crisis, has found a way to work the word “vasectomy"into every conversation we’ve had.  We are not planning any more pregnancies at this point, but also don’t feel any need to abandon Creighton, which has worked well for us for years(although I certainly sympathize with those who struggle with NFP). In fact, I have my first meeting with my Creighton advisor since I got out of the hospital (I dropped to 93 lbs in the ICU and didn’t menstruate for 2 months) while she is here and I am trying to decide whether I should even tell my mother about it or if I should simply say that my husband and I “have a meeting at the church,” which is essentially true. I love my mom and she has many wonderful qualities, but in matters of faith and values, we differ greatly.

 

Oh my goodness, I would be SO vague!  I imagine you’re still recovering from surgery and getting back on your feet, etc.  Why even come close to opening the door to a potentially stressful conversation with the “v” word involved?  Just go to your “meeting at the church.”  It can even be “about private issues I need to discuss post-surgery” if she pries (or however you want to word it to deflect ALL suspicion)!  You can always fill her in with more details LATER if you have 2nd thoughts after awhile.  But if you’re even *wondering* now, I would just keep it vague, vague, vague!

 

My vote: “meeting at the church,” along with a bored “Hmm, that’s interesting Mom.  Gee, isn’t it muggy today?” when her favorite word is raised in convo.
Prayers - those are the best defense and offense for you to use during her stay.  It’s taken me a long, long time to really wrap my head around this fact: that it’s really okay, and better for me, my marriage and my family, for me to have more of a superficial, polite, cheery relationship if the quest for a deep, meaningful relationship means that my folks and I clash heads and I end up wrung out & in turmoil in the process. 
Prayers going up now for you and your mom.  Stay focused on those good qualities!

 

Also, you should feel free to be kind but direct with her.  I.e., she raises the family planning issue, you respond, “Thanks, Mom.  I’ve heard what you have to say and I know you say it out of concern for me, but I’m not interested in discussing this private matter any further.” Repeat, politely and verbatim, as many times as necessary—don’t engage the conversation in any other way.  It’s not your job to change her mind, but neither is it her job to change yours, and you shouldn’t have to submit to browbeating, however well-meant.

 

“it’s really okay, and better for me, my marriage and my family, for me to have more of a superficial, polite, cheery relationship if the quest for a deep, meaningful relationship means that my folks and I clash heads and I end up wrung out & in turmoil in the process.”

Well-said!  Thanks.  I’m glad to know that I’m not the only one who feels this way.  In my case, it’s my in-laws, but same idea.  You always have such great advice!

 

To No Name #1, I have been using FertileScope to check for ovulation.  It shows ferning in your saliva when you are.  It’s worked well enough for us!  Lifting you up in prayer!

 

Hi,
I am new to this whole NFP thing and learning as I go.  We had a conversion about three years ago and now have a little blessing after our other three blessings once we became open to life.  WE took the NFP class and didn’t do much charting until number 4 was about 7 months old.  I did well for two cycles using sympto-thermal but then with some breakthrough bleeding I couldn’t read my signs as well and got pregnant on day 20 (usually ovualted on day 14).  We were surprised, but after much prayer became excited about the idea…even though it would have been my 5th csection.  WE had a miscarriage two weeks later and all the emotions that come along with that.  Now I am trying to chart again and having a huge problem.  I had two weeks of bleedig after the miscarriage and then after the bleeding stopped about two days of dry then about six days of breakthrough bleeding and then a full out period for the next ten days with no temp. rise that entire time.  Now the period has turned into breakthrough bleeding again and I’m on day 15 and still no temp rise.  I feel I can’t read any mucus signs and I have no temp rise….my husband and I are going crazy not being together and wanting to…should I look into the marquette method?  ANyone else have these issues?  Should I go see my dr?

 

Sorry for the loss of your precious little one.  I’d say checking with your dr. might be the best idea.  Maybe you’re still experiencing bleeding due to the miscarriage.  Or maybe you need a progesterone shot to get back on track.  My cycles get weird when they’re returning post-partum and progesterone is sometimes needed when the period/breakthrough bleeding/spotting/brown bleeding just keeps going.  Good luck; I know it’s frustrating!

 

Annie- I’m so sorry for your loss!  It sounds like you haven’t ovulated this month which is why you are having so much irregular bleeding.  I think you should see your regular OB and make sure you don’t need any treatment after the miscarriage.
I found that once I had kids, I couldn’t use the “thermal” part of the sympto-thermal method.  Because I didn’t get enough regular sleep to rely on the readings (which require you to check your temp at the same time daily, after going to bed at the same time etc).  So I switched to the Billings method.  But you may want to try Creighton which can help you understand why you are having such irregular bleeding and help with family spacing.

 

I’m so sorry for your loss, Annie.

I’d call CCL’s headquarters tomorrow if I were you - you can read your actual chart data to them over the phone and they can help you make sense of it. 

Praying :(

 

A different question:  can anyone give help or ideas for what the NAPRO protocol is for testing peak day when you have had recurrent miscarriage & want to try to correct hormonal imbalances to prevent another loss?  I know HCG and progesterone should be tested, but other than that, I am unsure.  I am seeing a NAPRO doctor, but I am afraid it will come either on Peak Day or directly after Peak Day.  I am just wondering if LH or FSH or estrogen levels should be tested as well for recurrent miscarriage.

Also, my heart goes out to those who have recently lost a baby & also to those who are struggling w/ the babes they have & struggling w/ being open to life.  Prayers for you.  Maybe try to contact someone at ccli.org (Couple to Couple League)?

 

I had their full hormone work-up done when we were having trouble conceiving, but, pathetically, I don’t actually know what all they check, just that you go get blood drawn every couple days for a full month.  But if you/your dr. contact PPVI Institute, they should be able to send their lab protocols to your doctor so you get everything checked that should be.

 

My experience w/ blood tests for Napro was also a full cycle hormone series profile.  They tested Estrogen, FSH, LH, Progesterone, and I believe some other levels as well.  It was completed over the course of a cycle.  I had blood drawn 10 times that cycle.

 

I can empathize with No Name.  I have been crying all day.  Twenty years of trying to figure out NFP, nine children (several with special needs), financial problems, health problems, etc. and I am BEYOND my ability to manage.  I have used the Clearblue Easy Fertility Monitor and Clearblue Easy Ovulation Predictor Kit for two months, and had success one of those months.  I still hate NFP, and right now am angry at God and the Church.  I can’t believe that THIS is what God expects of us, and I don’t understand why the Church is not more helpful.  Please continue to beg God to help us.

 

Praying for you, Deanna! Thanks for posting again!

 

Prayers. Hugs. I’m sorry.

 

Deanna, I am praying for you. Although I am not at all in the situation to give you advice, I do have a suggestion for you. First, keep praying! Tell God that you’re angry and you need help. Second, schedule a meeting with your favorite priest in your parish. If you don’t have one ask around to Catholic friends as to a priest that they might suggest. Call your diocese if you need to. Meet with the priest and tell him everything. Ask for his help and spiritual guidance. I know that you might be thinking “how can an unmarried man possibly help me here.” But I suggest that you ask him to set you up with a female mentor who is in your same situation. Does he suggest some Catholic women that you can meet with for support? Start a bible study with them, bring kids together for playgroups, get involved in church. Also, the priest might be able to find families to help you with babysitting, making meals, transporting kids, etc. Churches should be more proactive about getting this started for members of the parish!!!!! Every time I find myself getting angry with the Church, I find the answer is to move CLOSER and not farther away.

 

Caitlin, there are times when the temptation to leave the Catholic Church is very strong, but I haven’t done it.  Ironically, one of my NFP teachers suggested that I look for help from the Baptists, but be careful because they might try to convert me.  We have been members of the same Parish for about 16 years, and are, even now, an active family.  Parishioners have helped from time to time, but the help has not met the need.  Every day is a crisis, and when we get something as ordinary as the flu, well, its whatever is worse than a crisis (not sure if there is a word for that).  I can’t ask our Priest and Parish for anymore help right now, so I am trying something new.  This afternoon, I called a local order of sisters, and asked for assistance.  First, I need someone to listen as I talk and cry and share my grief and anger, and to help me to figure out how to move forward.  (My husband and I see a Christian counselor weekly, but I think that I need a Catholic to help me work through the anger with God and the Church.)  Second, I need someone to help with housekeeping, childcare, respite, meals, transportation, etc.  Sister asked me to contact another sister in her order for spiritual guidance, and said that she would look for the practical help.  I continue to pray daily, Morning and Evening Prayer, a Gospel Reflection, sometimes a Novena for some special need, and an Act of Confidence and Hope.  And right now, I am not being shy about telling God that I am mad at Him, and that I expect some help.  And Anon, I had considered adoption with the ninth child, but could not figure out how to hide the pregnancy from my other children who I believe would be traumatized if they knew.  Please keep praying for me.

 

This might sound like such a strange thing, but if a family finds parenting to be such a difficulty and is not joyful about having children, is it possible that God might be calling that family to place one of their children for adoption with another loving family that cannot have children?  I just am thinking out loud here.  I know that there are couples out there who would just love to have a child, even one, or especially one with special needs.  I know that adoption is not easy, and that it causes a lot of pain and grief for the birthfamily, but what if, at the same time, it makes life more bearable and manageable for a family to place one or a couple of their children for adoption?  Please, no angry posts about this - just thoughtful discussion.

 

I used to work at Boys Town and that was fairly common in their history, especially during the Depression: families (or, often, widowed mothers) who couldn’t, for whatever reason, care for some or all of their boys would send them there.  The Orphan Train was another similar idea.  It’s not at all common now, especially with the emphasis on services for the birth family to help them with whatever difficulties, but it’s not something that’s never been done. 
But I think it would be extremely hard to do.  How do you choose which children?  How do you explain to the ones adopted out why they weren’t kept, but a sibling was?  For the siblings that stay with the birth family, will they feel secure or will they always fear being sent away?  It’s one thing, perhaps, if a child has a severe disability and needs care that the birth family truly can’t give.  But if it’s a matter of financial strain or frustrations with a child’s behavior or something, then I’d think it best for all to look into services offered within the family rather than going the adoption route.

 

No, no, no, no!! This is a terrible idea. I know you said “no angry posts”, but you said something stupid which makes me very very angry. As a mother, it would absolutely destroy me to give one of my children away. I’m talking near-suicidal despair. And how do you think the other children would feel, knowing one of their siblings was given away? What if it made them afraid that they would be given away too? How do think that child who was given up for adoption would feel if he or she found out there was an entire biological family out there that didn’t want them, and that they kept all their siblings but gave them away?! This is no solution at all. Families who are struggling need our help.  Telling them to just give their children away would make things much, much, MUCH worse. We’re not talking pregnant 13-year-old drug addicts here, were talking married couples who already have children. A family. PLEASE think before you post, anon!

 

Sarah,  You may be angry about what was suggested, but your own feelings don’t apply to all families and all situations.  No one asked you to give up a child.  Obviously you can never imagine yourself in such an extreme situation… that is understandable and good.  Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world and things go horribly wrong very often.  Adoption always comes from a less than ideal situation.  An adoption only happens because something(s) went wrong.  No matter what the situation, every birth family, every adoptee, every sibling of an adoptee, every adoptive parent, and on and on - will have feelings and questions to sort through.  However, that doesn’t make adoption less of a solution for many different situations.  To insinuate that adoption is only acceptable in the case of a “13-year-old drug addict” is insensitive and ignorant.

 

When I learned that I was pregnant with my ninth child, I thought about adoption.  But was only willing to try if it I could “hide” the pregnancy from my other children.  I really do think it would have traumatized them if they knew.  And because I couldn’t come up with a plan for “hiding” the pregnancy, I didn’t go forward with it.  And as it turned out, the baby was premature, and was my fifth child to spend significant time in the NICU.  I can’t say, however, that I particularly like the idea of adoption in these situations.  As a mother of several special needs children, I am all too aware of our past failures.  The norm was not to keep the family together, but to place in child in an institution.  I think the better approach is to provide assistance to the struggling family.  The problem seems to be that we don’t know HOW to help.  Private organizations may be more efficient, but they can’t be mandated (there is no way to ensure a steady flow of donations); government organizations can be funded through taxes, but are usually less efficient.  Right now, families like mine are struggling because the government funds have dried up, and the non-profits are few and far between.  We can’t get the assistance that we need, so credit becomes our only means of survival.  We just live in a very mixed up world, and the greater burden is on the poor.

 

Thank you for your thoughtful replies about adoption.  I know of a family who placed their premature twins for adoption because they were going to have serious special needs, and, while they loved them very much, they knew that these needs were simply beyond their care.  I see that as a very loving option.  I also know of another family who had older siblings who for financial reasons felt that they could not raise their fifth child, and so placed this child for adoption.  I do see that yes, siblings could get scared of being “given away”, but on the other hand, if a family or a mother is stressed to the breaking point, it may be healthier and emotionally necessary for the mother’s health to do such a thing for the sake of the child.  Sometimes our choices are not about making siblings happy or content, but they are about what is doing best for the entire family.  What if a mother & father could look down the road and see that their child was being loved and well-cared for, and it eliminated such a huge burden for them that they were able to take better care of the remaining siblings?  I know of another mother who placed her 2 year old for adoption, and it was a good transition.  I don’t think we should beat ourselves up about placing a child or children with special needs for adoption or perhaps those w/ behavior issues for adoption, as long as we knew that they would be loved and well-cared for.  It would take tremendous sacrifice of course, but if someone else has more emotional and financial resources, then perhaps the Holy Spirit is offering an answer.  I don’t think there should be any shame or guilt about such a decision.  I think that with counseling, the family could adapt to the situation as well as if one of the children was going to live with “Aunt Jane”.  Truly, these things used to happen more often in the past, especially if the mom was widowed or divorced, or if the family just fell on hard times.  I wonder that it is not considered more now-a-days.  On the other side of it, consider the families who are just dying and desperate to have just even one child, even an older child, even a special needs child, and that family has LOTS of energy because it is a ration of just one mom and one dad to one child.  Placing a child for adoption is not giving a child up; rather it is choosing a family for a child in order to better provide for that child.  I don’t think that adoption should be reserved just for single mothers, but I think it is an excellent option for married couples who are unable to provide for their child as well.  Not everyone is ready for the energy & money that another baby takes, and there is no shame in that.  I would personally think that in such a situation it would be wonderful for a family to visit the child on a once per month or even a couple times per year basis and see that the child is happy & well adjusted.  I think particularly if a child has severe special needs, such as Down’s or autism, that such a thing could be truly beneficial to an overburdened family.

 

I never said that it’s only acceptable for 13-year-old drug addicts to give their babies up for adoption. That is just one example. I am not opposed to all adoptions and I think it’s a fine option, but I think it should be a last resort. Mothers and babies belong together. That’s the way God intended.

I think a married couple giving their baby up for adoption is especially absurd. What a horribly cold, cruel society we must be if a married couple feels like they have to give their baby up for adoption. They did nothing wrong - it’s not like they sinned by having sex outside of marriage. Even if you think couples who get pregnant out of wedlock should be “punished” by giving their babies up for adoption (which I certainly don’t), by that logic it makes no sense for a married couple to do so. They did what they’re *supposed* to do - express their love by having marital relations. And this is what they get?!?

Anon, in the examples you give, I have to wonder, WHY didn’t anyone help these couples so they could keep their children? Where was the church? Where was their extended family? Weren’t there any charities that could help them or government programs they were eligible for? I think it’s appalling that a couple felt like they had to give their twins away because they couldn’t pay for their medical needs. Something is seriously wrong with a society that allows this to happen. The couple didn’t bring it on themselves. They weren’t immature teenagers. Quite frankly, I am appalled that anyone would think this is OK outside of extreme circumstances.

 

I don’t quite understand your argument.  I don’t think that parents giving their children up for adoption is a “punishment” to the parents for sinning by having sex out of wedlock.  Rather, they give up their children for adoption because they’re selflessly thinking of what’s best for their child rather than what they would prefer.  As a parent I think your duty is to consider what’s best for your child far above what you want.  And sometimes it might be better to give up your child to have a life with parents who can give more to your child than you can.  That could be for any reason, not just because the parents are unwed.

 

What I’m trying to say, though, is why are we allowing this to happen? Why don’t we as a society help people out more so that they can keep their children? I think in the case of a married couple who already has children, it is especially important to help them keep their children, because giving a child up for adoption wouldn’t just affect them, it would also affect the other siblings, for the rest of their lives. And I would imagine the child who was given up for adoption would be far more psychologically damaged if he or she found out they had an entire biological family out there than if they found out their birth mother was an unwed teenager. The family isn’t selflessly putting their child first by giving it up for adoption, because it’s actually NOT in the best interest of the child in this case. In some cases, sure, like if the birth mother is an immature teenager who wouldn’t be a good parent. Like I said, I’m not opposed to adoption in all cases.  But I think it’s appalling that an intact family with a mother and father would feel like they have to give a baby up for adoption.  I don’t understand how another family could give the child a “better life.” How? Financially? Isn’t this attitude a direct contradiction to Catholic values? Since when does being more financially well-off trump being with the biological family? And if the family is simply overwhelmed by another child, why don’t we help them out? ?

 

Because “helping out” is a temporary solution and raising children is a lifetime commitment.  This isn’t about being able to afford piano lessons or braces.  I’m not saying adoption is the answer but I’d rather my child have a full belly and clothes that fit them than foolishly think that my love will suffice for their basic needs.  Thank goodness my father’s biological mother gave him up for adoption -we got to see how her other children, all raised in a 2 parent yet completely dysfunctional home, turned out. Sometimes the best parenting decision one can make is to see that one is not up to the task…whether financially or emotionally.

 

Also, having children with medical needs is not just about being able to afford the care.  Being the caretaker of any person who has significant medical issues often means a physically and emotionally exhausting life that completely revolves around that person.  You cant just get a babysitter to get a free moment, you have to hire a nurse.  You may have to relocate to a bigger city to get the necessary care.  You may spend lots of time at the hospital or doctors office.  Other children get neglected.  You may have to clean bedpans or give shots or change dressings.  You may have to quit your job and then you might not be able to pay the bills.  And this might go on for 10 or 20 or more years.  I cant judge a couple who feels that’s too much.  Should they expect their extended families to bring them meals 3 times a week for a decade?

 

I completely agree that taking care of a child with special needs can mean an incredibly exhausting life. I would just personally rather have that life than give a child up for adoption.  No, of course you can’t expect extended family to bring meals three times a week for a decade, and I wasn’t suggesting that. There needs to be other help available that goes beyond that. Aren’t there any government programs that would help provide care for the child? Aren’t there tax credits for medical expenses? Couldn’t extended family or the church give the parents a break at least once in awhile? I just find it appalling that people are just *accepting* this, and not expressing outrage at a society that would allow this to happen.

 

Look, I’m not a huge advocate of adopting out a child as being the first choice for overwhelmed parents of many, but I did have an eye-opening conversation a few years ago that changed my thinking on the matter somewhat.

An online friend of mine, one I had been in communication with for years and had met in real life as well, was pregnant.  A committed Christian (but not a Catholic), she shocked me by telling me that she was having an amnio because she just “couldn’t handle” a special-needs baby.  She had lost a two-year old child in a traumatic accident years before, and she could not handle the perceived trauma of taking care of a special needs baby on top of it. She told me that, “I know this is probably wrong, but I couldn’t handle it and would terminate the pregnancy if I found out the baby had a serious problem”.  As I said, I was shocked.  She was not only a kind person, but from what I could tell, a fabulous mother to her three living children, and she was also committed to volunteering in the community and doing what she could to help others.

I said to her, “What about adoption?  There are many families who would love have a special needs baby!”  And she said, “Are you kidding me?  Can you imagine how despised we would be by the community if they knew we had given up a special needs baby for adoption?! And what would I say to my children?!” 

Wow, I had never thought of it that way. And I realized that my own thinking on such a matter had been a bit less pro-life than I might have imagined.  When society despises women who give up babies because they honestly can’t handle it, it’s not exactly a surprise that a quiet termination—-which can easily be explained as a miscarriage and generate sympathy from the community (I’ve known this to happen)—-would make a more attractive choice.

This used to be not that uncommon at all.  My mother-in-law was what they used to call “farmed out” to her grandparents because her own mother and father could not handle a 12th child.  People understood that babies happened, and life wasn’t perfect, and sometimes parents had to give one up for the good of the child.

Personally, I think the contraceptive mentality has made society much less forgiving of parents in less-than-ideal circumstances and that is a big reason that parents would be despised for making such a choice nowadays.  The child was your choice, you need to raise him or her.  If you couldn’t handle it, you should have done something to make sure the pregnancy didn’t happen.

It’s a pretty harsh attitude, if you ask me.  Life’s hard.  Babies happen.  Sometimes parents can’t handle baby after baby after baby, even WITH community help, for whatever reason—emotionally, psychologically, financially etc.  Large families are NOT always a blessing.  (looking back in my own family history and in my husband’s, this is quite clear—-families with 10, 12, 14 children often devolved into abuse, alcoholism, and extreme poverty, not to mention mental illness) In a world pre-contraception, people understood this.  Today there is no mercy for such parents.  Is it such a surprise that married couples nowadays would turn to abortion under such circumstances?

If a couple cannot handle another baby—even if married—adoption truly MIGHT be the most loving and moral choice. We don’t live in a perfect world, and most of us aren’t perfect people.  Pre-widely-available-contraception, there seemed to more of an understanding of the realities of the human condition.  Post contraception, we are expected only to have children in the most ideal of circumstances.  God help you otherwise!

 

This topic hits home with me, because as I mentioned before, I had considered adoption when I found myself unexpectedly pregnant with my ninth.  And I have experience with several special needs children and with being overwhelmed.  I share Sarah’s concerns about this.  If a child requires too much from the biological parents, then the child will require too much from the adoptive parents.  This will be true regardless of their wealth.  And we know from past experience that institutionalizing these children is not the healthiest option.  What makes the difference in these families (whether biological or adoptive) is that the parents and siblings receive assistance.  My experience with special needs children indicates that they don’t always need specialized medical care, so a nurse is not always necessary.  I learned to care for my children; I’ve used monitors, oxygen, C-pap, NG-tubes, G-tubes, etc. (I had a nurse mistake me for a nurse because I had so much medical knowledge).  And others can learn to do these things too.  Children are not only a blessing to their immediate family, or extended family, but to their Parish family as well.  And many hands make light work.  Even when the needs are great and the family is poor, it is our Christian duty to assist them, even in the long term.  What bothers me so is that we are willing to tolerate some living in expensive homes, driving expensive cars, and taking expensive vacations while others are struggling to make ends meet.  In such a situation, adoption might only add to their suffering.

 

some medical advice with postponing a pregnancy: using those cheap LH kits (look for the one with a threshold of 20 mIU/ml) and start testing on day 6 after start of menses until becomes positive (two lines), then five days later, do a blood Progesterone test by your own family doctor order and confirm a value greater than 4 ng/ml which confirms you have ovulated and it means you are in the safe period until the first day of next menses. The only draw back is sometimes the LH test will not detect ovulation (it means it is happening even with urine values less than 20 mIU/ml) but most women (more than 85%) will ovulate with values greater than 20.
God bless

 

Wow, what great thoughts have been spoken on this topic.  First, just to clarify something:  adoption is not done just by people w/ great wealth or fancy cars or homes. It is entirely possible to do it for much, much less if a couple is contacted by someone wanting to place a baby w/ them - then there are just the court fees and lawyer fees.  I know of many, many middle class families who adopt - and they do it out of great love and desire for a child.  In the case of placing a child w/ special needs for adoption, if a child DOES require a LOT of care that a family can not provide, I see adoption as a beautiful solution.  I don’t think that we should be looking to our community and government for answers all the time, as someone pointed out - that sometimes a need is just so enormous that it can only be filled through adoption - and this is not a shame, this is not wrong.  No where does it say that it is morally wrong to place a child for adoption, and no where does our faith place shame in that.  In fact, it is just the opposite - it would require great courage and great sacrifice, and love of the child over love of self.  Yes, sometimes it requires dying to self to do what we have to do for our children, and sometimes that great act of love is choosing a family for our child - a family who CAN provide not just in material ways, but in terms of love, in energy, and in giving 100% to that child.  There are children whose needs are just so great that families can be overwhelmed by their needs, and adoption is a great answer.  In the case I mentioned above, w/ the twins, it was not the financial issues, but rather the entire picture: of dealing with very serious medical needs requiring constant nursing for the rest of their lives.  Why is it wrong for a couple to choose a family for their child when they are facing this, and they know that they can’t deal with it?  Why is it wrong for them to recognize their limitations and recognize that this immense burden is a huge and much-desired blessing for another family?  God has created us all differently, and in love, He destined us for adoption unto Himself.  We are ALL a part of the Body of Christ.  We are all God’s children, and our children are His children, first and foremost.  We need to strive to do God’s will above all, and God’s will often requires sacrifice and dying unto self.  That which is best for us is not always that which is easiest or least painful.  We are most criticized when we are doing the will of our Heavenly Father.  When we look to others for help (the church and the government), other families can only do so much, as someone pointed out, but they can not take care of our children 24/7, and it is unfair and wrong to expect that of church members (on a 24/7 basis) who have their own families and own responsibilities to take care of.  As a temporary or partial way of helping, yes, it is good to ask others for help, but permanently, on a full-time basis?  I think that is an expectation that no church can fill. 

I agree that somehow abortion is seen in a more “noble” light and “acceptable” light than adoption, and that is extremely tragic.  No one seems to sneeze at a married couple choosing abortion for their child w/ special needs or abortion for an “unplanned” child, or abortion for a sibling, but adoption?  Suddenly, when adoption is mentioned, people get up in arms?  Why is it that adoption, the life-giving option is chastised by society; whereas abortion is lauded?  Don’t we think that siblings would feel an even greater pain with abortion than with adoption?  Wouldn’t you rather that your brother be given life with another family rather than death by the abortionist?  I would much rather find out that my sister or brother had been placed for adoption than that my mother had aborted him or her.  I would also much rather that my sibling be placed for adoption rather than not be able to care for the rest of the siblings.

 

I think you and some previous commenters are missing the point a little. I NEVER said that adoption was “morally wrong.” I don’t think there’s anything “shameful” about it at all, nor would I “look down on” anyone who chooses adoption. Rather, I would look down on the family / church / government / society who failed to provide enough support for the family to keep their child. It’s sort of like how I don’t look down on women who have abortions even though I think abortion is always wrong. It’s usually the fault of the boyfriend / husband / parents / society who didn’t provide enough support.

Also, why is this issue always framed as adoption vs. abortion? Why are those the only options? What about keeping the child? I am very pro-life and of course I would be very disturbed if I found out one of my siblings had been aborted. Of course it’s better to be given up for adoption than aborted. But is it really helpful to say “just be glad you / they weren’t aborted?” Isn’t not killing your own child sort of the bare minimum people should aspire to? Shouldn’t we do more than that?

I also think that the issues of adoption and abortion are connected. If people felt like they had enough support to keep their children, there would be fewer abortions. I have marched in the March for Life, prayed in front of abortion clinics, stood in the Life Chain and volunteered at a crisis pregnancy center, and even I might be tempted to abortion if I was in a situation where I felt pressure to give a baby up for adoption. How can we expect other people who aren’t even pro-life to be that strong, when someone as pro-life as I am would waver? We need to step back and look at the big picture.


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