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    Israel plunged into unprecedented debate about war

    JERUSALEM (AP) — To attack or not to attack? With Israeli politicians warning repeatedly that Iran is secretly pursuing nuclear weapons, this question has spawned an unprecedented amount of agonizing even in a country accustomed to war and incessant debate.

    The teeth gnashing plays out everywhere from the halls of parliament to news talk shows to people's living rooms. Should Israel undertake a risky mission to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities? Should it trust the United States to do the job if necessary? Can it live with a nuclear Iran? Should politicians even be talking about this in public?

    "A country that is debating whether to attack or not to attack usually doesn't spill its guts," said veteran Israeli journalist Motti Kirshenbaum. He noted that Israel's usual pattern is to dissect a military offensive after it happens — not discuss it beforehand.

    The public appears to be largely taking the furor in stride, in part because some suspect Israel's leaders are essentially bluffing in order to compel the world to get serious about the issue. But there is a growing sense of foreboding: Even Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who is believed to favor an attack, says hundreds will die in the counterstrike, and there is awareness of the global security and economic mayhem that war with Iran could unleash.

    Never in Israel's history has there been so much talk about an impending war, security affairs analyst and Iran expert Yossi Melman wrote in a column on the Walla! news website on Monday.

    "It's one thing for the media to blather about it, but why are leaders and senior officials chattering themselves to death?" he asked.

    Although Israel's leaders frequently lament about all the Iran "chitchat," make no mistake: It's they who are fueling the discussion.

    The Iranian threat, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday, "dwarfs any challenge the Israeli home front faces."

    True, no Israeli leader has explicitly threatened to attack Iran. Netanyahu and Barak — considered here the main champions of a pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities — have said no decision has yet been made. But they sometimes seem at pains to make sure the message is not missed.

    Netanyahu has been warning about an Iranian nuclear threat since the 1990s, invoking comparisons with the Holocaust and sidelining all other foreign policy issues during his latest tenure as prime minister.

    In recent months, amid the intensity of economic sanctions and boycotts against Iran, there have been hints of self-congratulation related to the theory that only Israeli saber-rattling could have pushed a world eager to mollify Israel and prevent an attack in this fortunate direction.

    But of late the media here has filled with leaked reports attributable to "senior officials" projecting a sense that patience is growing thin: The sanctions don't go far enough, and although they have fueled inflation and hammered the standard of living in Iran, they fall short, especially because Russia and China notably refuse to fall into line.

    Hints dropped privately by senior officials and multiple warnings by Israeli leaders about time growing short have created the impression here that Netanyahu and Barak have given up on the idea of pressuring Iran through economic and diplomatic sanctions, and are out to attack by early fall unless Iran abandons its uranium enrichment program, a key element in making atomic weapons.

    "The hot topic on the Israeli street is when will the war break out and where to take cover in the event of a missile attack," Melman wrote.

    Talks between Iran and world powers are effectively stalled with no firm date to restart following June's session in Moscow.

    At the heart of the talks is how much the West is willing to allow Iran to enrich uranium, which at low levels creates fuel to power reactors but can be boosted to weapons grade material. Iran insists it will never surrender its ability to make nuclear fuel, but says it seeks reactors only for energy and medical applications.

    Israelis scoff at Tehran's insistence that its nuclear program is peaceful, and many believe a nuclear-armed Iran would be a threat to Israel's survival. They cite Iran's repeated calls for Israel's downfall, support for anti-Israel militant groups and development of sophisticated missiles capable of striking Israel.

    This may constitute an existential threat, but it also makes good copy.

    On Monday, each of the country's five daily newspapers carried a front-page story on a potential attack even though there were no major developments the day before.

    "The United States will be dragged into an Israeli attack on Iran," trumpeted Maariv.

    "Ehud Barak's atomic mistake," blared Yediot Ahronot, alongside a column on Iran.

    Fueling the debate has been extraordinary public criticism of Netanyahu and Barak coming from an unlikely quarter: All of Israel's recently retired security chiefs oppose an attack, and several have come out swinging against Barak and Netanyahu personally. It's a shocking public rift between the political and defense establishments.

    "This unprecedented debate more than anything else reflects profound distrust of the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu by the Israeli military and defense establishment," said Yaron Ezrahi, a political scientist and former analyst in the Israeli military.

    Skeptics note that the risks of a strike are monumental. Israel could become entangled in harsh, long-term consequences, ranging from an ongoing war with Iran and its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza, to a diplomatic rift with the U.S., which has urged Israel to give sanctions more time while promising not to let Iran go nuclear.

    Also, Israeli air strikes could deliver a debilitating but not necessarily fatal blow to Iran's nuclear program. They would mostly serve to destroy uranium-enriching centrifuges, which can be purchased by friendly states such as North Korea or possibly rebuilt by Iranian technicians.

    After the security officials opposed an attack, Israel's leaders turned to the public in an attempt to drum up support, Kirshenbaum said.

    "They're doing it because they want partners to the decision, because they understand it's a very dangerous risk," he said. But he added that the discussion may serve the public good: "You have a situation that is so complicated and so dangerous, that in a democratic society, you might need a debate over whether to do it because so much hangs in the balance."

    A poll released Sunday suggested the public, normally hawkish on security matters, has big qualms about a solo Israeli strike on Iran that does not have Washington's blessing. The survey, conducted by Israel's Dialog Institute, showed 46 percent oppose such an attack as opposed to 32 percent who support it and 22 percent who have no opinion. A total of 504 people took part in the survey, which had a margin of error of 4.3 percentage points.

    Ezrahi, the political scientist, applauds the public debate.

    "Every democracy should discuss the issue of going to war with such potentially fateful results," he said.

    But Nachman Shai, a lawmaker with the opposition Kadima Party and a former military spokesman, thinks drawing in the public was a "bad idea."

    "It frightens people to live in a country that is talking about war all the time," he said. "What does it do to us as a country, a society? Even though we're a society that is familiar with this, it's a very heavy dose."

    ___

    AP correspondent Karin Laub contributed to this report from Ramallah, West Bank.

     

    1,944 comments

    • Steven  •  Franktown, Colorado  •  2 days 6 hrs ago
      No body in there right mind wants to go to war ,its not fun!
      • Zaid 17 hrs ago
        They are doing what they always do...a well-planned and concerted PR campaign to make it look like they actually deliberately over launching a war that they had planned ever since 2001
      • Moe 1 day 9 hrs ago
        war is dumb. PERIOD. But if Israel does attack someone, i say we stay out of it and let them duke it out with whoever themselves.
      • JLM 1 day 9 hrs ago
        Vali J, You need to work on Syntax, Composition, and current events of the Middle East --
    • StardustBound  •  Catharpin, Virginia  •  2 days 13 hrs ago
      The truth is that the military people are far more cautious than politicians about going to war. They and theirs die, not the lousy pols.
      • Danny 10 hrs ago
        steve! how do you figure that? they ruled the land for 400 yrs. yeah i think they were a official nation before 1948....but please feel free to give something to show me from scripture that says i'm wrong!
      • Steve 10 hrs ago
        Thats not how the real worl works. There is God's Law and Man's Law, we are to abide by both. Although the covenant is true, legally it wasn't theirs until 1948.
      • Danny 12 hrs ago
        isreal became a nation in 11 bce and ruled it for 400 yrs.
        the land was expelled from them for not keeping the covenant that was made between abraham & GOD and it says in scripture how long the time frame would be. to go into details & prove it would take a some time...but it's there from the exact day there were put in slavery in babaylon until may 14, 1948
        and it says in scripture that isreal would be restored in a single day...look it up
        the valley of dry bones.
    • lawrence  •  2 days 12 hrs ago
      Politicians attack but soldiers die.
      • Larry 1 day 8 hrs ago
        We need to shoot a cruise missile up your butt
      • Lucas 2 days 6 hrs ago
        At first L and @ Lawrence. Since the CIA and Israeli Mossad state that Iran is not pursuing an nuclear weapon, what is exactly the threat to the world? Israel is threatened, to be sure. But not by Iran. Iran is their ploy to remind us why they were created after the Holocast of WW2. If they are not victims, why is their a state of Israel. Not just a political entity, but a Jewish state? Public sentiment is shifting despite their best efforts. Recall the French President's comment that Netanyahu is a liar when the President thought his microphone was off. Recall the vote recently by a US protestant church to not use companies that participate in building in Palestinain land. And the Jewish courts have never been foolish enough to try and justify the settlers. But if Israel does not have a "manifest destiny" to reclaim Abraham's promised land, what is the purpose of the multinational groupd that has settled in Israel? Iran is not a threat to anybody. They stood by and watched tens of thousands of shia murdered by the Taliban and did nothing. They probably will not enter a full out war even if their facilities are bombed.
      • Mr.E. 2 days 9 hrs ago
        Shake them up a little. Let them know they can be targeted and are legal targets in this fight.
    • John  •  Muskegon, Michigan  •  2 days 8 hrs ago
      I am sick of war.
      • Lucas 1 day 7 hrs ago
        Ok, who gains with war? Israel keeps its Ultra Orthodox Jews happy. the world's longest occupations are ignored for longer. IRan does not want war, just the right to be a sovereign nation. Did the World ostracize Israel when they illegally obtained nucear technology? does the world sanction Israel for acts of war when they assassinate IRanian citizens that happen to be nuclear scientists? Does the world sanction Israel when they deport people who would taint their JEWISH society? Who is the religious extremists? Who is the irresponsible in foreign affairs? Really look at these things and do not listen to Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or any other "bobblhead" anchors. More and more of them plaugerize some or all of their material.
      • Thomas 1 day 8 hrs ago
        oh my ! you really ARE crazy aren't you !
      • joe 1 day 9 hrs ago
        Youtube: type in "alan sabrosky" he is a ten year veteran of the u.s. Army war college...he states without doubt, and with a 100% certainty- that israel pulled off 911!! Wake the hell up sheeple...no more wars for isra-hell
    • sage s  •  20 hrs ago
      Sure Israel can attack Iran, but there will be repercussions. There will be rockets fired upon the Israeli population indiscriminately, there will be a wave of suicide bombings, and the Israeli population will be under constant fear of attacks from Iranian agents like Hezbollah.
      If the Israeli population are will to be even more hated than they already are presently, then they should attack. But they need to remember, an attack will only leave them running to their bomb shelters for months if not years on end, every time a siren is sounded.
      • Jeff 10 hrs ago
        That what they have now from Gaza. What if Iran gives nuke to Hezbullah? Iran triggers the game of brinkmenship and nuclear war on ME is getting more and more likeley. Why wouldn't you gus leave Israel alon?
    • adam a  •  2 days 11 hrs ago
      EVIL DOERS WILL FOREVER LIVEAND DIE IN FEAR
    • Don't Believe em  •  2 days 6 hrs ago
      JFK Speech on Secret Societies and Controlled Media, American Newspaper Publishers Association, Waldorf Astoria Hotel, New York, New York, (4/21/1961)
      "The very word secrecy is repugnant, in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings.
      We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweigh the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation, if our traditions do not survive with it.
      And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious who wish to expand it's meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit, to the extent that it is in my control.
      For we are opposed, around the world, by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy, that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence,
      on infiltration instead of invasion,
      on subversion instead of elections,
      on intimidation, instead of free choice,
      on guerrillas by night, instead of armies by day,
      It is a system which has conscripted, vast material and human resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations.
      Its preparations are concealed, not published.
      Its mistakes are buried, not headlined.
      Its dissenters silenced, not praised.
      No expenditure is questioned. No rumor is printed. No secret is revealed.
      No president should fear public scrutiny of his program.
      I am not asking your newspaper to support an administration.. But I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people..I not only could not stifle controversy from your readers, I welcome it. Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed. And no republic can survive.
      For I have complete confidence in the response and the dedication of our citizens when they are fully informed.
      That is why the Athenian law decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the first amendment, the only business in America specifically protected by the constitution,
      not primarily to amuse or entertain,
      not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental,
      not to simply give the public what it wants,
      but to inform, to arouse, and to reflect
      to state our dangers and our opportunities,
      to indicate our crises and our choices,
      to lead, mould, and educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.
      This means greater coverage and analysis of international news, for it is no longer far away and foreign, but close at hand and local.. it means greater attention, to improved attention, to greater understanding of the news, as well as improved transmission. And it means finally, the government at all levels, must meet its obligation, to provide you with it's possible information, outside the narrowest limits of national security.
      And so it is to the printing press, to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the carrier of his news, that we look for strength, and his assistance, confident that with your help, Man will be what he was born to be..
      Free and independent."
    • bobx  •  1 day 8 hrs ago
      The preemptive strike theory is one of the worst concepts there is.Hitler and other dictators used it to justify wars.The guy in the bar is looking odly at me, i'll bash his face in in case he might hit me....
    • Kim  •  1 day 7 hrs ago
      What isreal has plunged into is an unprecedented propaganda campaign, Does anyone really believe that israel has money to go to war? Does anyone really believe that the middle east can tolerate anymore economic damages and survive
    • AMERICAN1975  •  Wallingford, Connecticut  •  1 day 4 hrs ago
      If the Isreali government would stop lying and adimt the have been producing nuclear weapons since 1967, have over 500 warheads, plus chemical and biological weapons- it would change the whole nature of the debate. Isreal will NEVER be attacked because to do so equals suicide for the attacking nation. That is what the former defense heads are alluding to. State secrecy laws prevent them from pointing out the obvious.
    • Recce  •  1 day 15 hrs ago
      De-denuclearize Middle East and be done. This entire mess would go away. No need for anyone to have nuclear weapons in that region. This includes Israel as well as Iran!
    • Crusader  •  Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  18 hrs ago
      If the obama regime had any guts, israel wouldn't have to attack iran. Iran led by 12'ers is the biggest problem facing the world today. But barry will never attack his muslim brothers in iran.
    • Sezar  •  New York, New York  •  1 day 10 hrs ago
      Warning: holocaustploitation! Iran paranoia is a gold mine! when Israel hawks sold US military technology to China "never expecting" Iran to buy it - that was brilliant! :) Gotta keep the fear alive now that the Olympics are over !! :)))
    • The Hut sux  •  San Antonio, Texas  •  1 day 7 hrs ago
      Here's to hoping Israel AND Iran wipe each other off the face of the planet.
    • Jamil Baroody  •  Jeddah, Saudi Arabia  •  1 day 8 hrs ago
      Get Back means going all the way back to 7th century violent and bloodthirsty Arabia
    • Bogus Diddley  •  Lawrence, Kansas  •  2 days 10 hrs ago
      What will happen to our Reality Show? Regards, The Kardashians
    • Foster  •  2 days 10 hrs ago
      At least you Israelis can HAVE the debate. Here in America those of us that ask questions like this are automatically branded "anti-semites" and 'self-hating jews" by the Neocons. And the Israeli media is also far better than the American media when it comes to debating just about any topic regarding Israel.
    • Dicky  •  2 days 11 hrs ago
      Looks like a certain country doesn't want their nuke extortion stopped
    • Jamil Baroody  •  Jeddah, Saudi Arabia  •  1 day 8 hrs ago
      Get Back's real name is Ghanal Billali
    • bygunthere  •  1 day 9 hrs ago
      We don't want our men involved your wars!!! Warmongers!!!!!
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