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    Climate: US call for 'flexibility' on warming spurs row

    The United States ran into crossfire on Wednesday after it called for "flexibility" in climate talks yet acknowledged this may not guarantee meeting the UN's target on global warming.

    Europe and Africa demanded that a two-degree-Celsius (3.6-degree-Fahrenheit) objective set at the 2009 Copenhagen summit be honoured while small island states, more vocal, accused Washington of backsliding.

    The skirmishes came ahead of new talks in Bangkok starting at the end of the month for a global treaty to roll back greenhouse-gas emissions which stoke atmospheric warming, damaging Earth's climate system.

    In a barely-noticed speech in New Hampshire on August 2, chief US negotiator Todd Stern said negotiations had to avoid a rigid formula that prompted nations to defend their own interests and avoid painful concessions.

    Calling for "flexibility," he argued that a format that enabled progressively greater commitments would be easier to negotiate and ratchet up deeper cuts in the long run.

    "This kind of flexible, evolving legal agreement cannot guarantee that we meet a two-degree goal," Stern acknowledged. "But insisting on a structure that WOULD guarantee such a goal will only lead to deadlock."

    Stern's speech met with a hostile response from major parties in the climate parlay.

    "World leaders pledged in Copenhagen to stay below the 2 C (3.6 F) temperature increase. What leaders promised must now be delivered," European Commission climate spokesman Isaac Valero Ladron said.

    "Consolidated science continues to remind us of the dire consequences of going beyond such a temperature increase... Time is of the essence here."

    Marlene Moses, chair of the Association of Small Island States (AOSIS), said Stern's speech "follows a well-established pattern of the United States lowering ambition at the climate talks.

    "But it is particularly disturbing, coming as it does in the midst of one of the worst droughts in the country's history," Moses told AFP.

    "If the US is prepared to abandon its own farmers, how are we supposed to believe it will do what is necessary to save small islands from sea-level rise and other devastating impacts?"

    AOSIS, gathering low-lying nations in the Pacific, Indian Ocean and Caribbean, is campaigning for warming to be limited to just 1.5 C (2.7 F), a goal that could only be achieved with far tougher emissions caps than most states currently accept.

    At present, Earth is on track for warming of 3-4 C (5.4-7.2 F) by century's end, scientists say.

    Christian Aid's climate specialist, Mohamed Adow, accused President Barack Obama of retreating on a target that he himself had set in Copenhagen, where the figure was reached in chaotic scenes by a small number of world leaders.

    "This backflip with a twist would win a gold medal at the hypocrisy Olympics," he said.

    Addressing such criticism, the State Department quoted Stern as saying the United States "continues to support" the 2 C goal.

    "We have not changed our policy," Stern said in this clarification. "My point in the speech was that insisting on an approach that would purport to guarantee such a goal -- essentially by dividing up carbon rights to the atmosphere -- will only lead to stalemate."

    But the bloc of African countries in the talks said the clarification itself was a worry.

    "It is concerning that the US would now question the global goal it pushed for, and has agreed to numerous times internationally," said Seyni Nafo of Mali, spokesman for the 54-nation African Group.

    "It is more disappointing that in clarifying its position the Obama administration has said it 'supports' the goal but does not support an approach that guarantees achieving it."

    The next round of talks under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) run in Bangkok from August 30 to September 5.

    They are the last scheduled negotiations under the 195-party UNFCCC ahead of its major year-end gathering, taking place in Doha, Qatar, from November 26-December 7.

     

    25 comments

    • mike  •  Los Angeles, California  •  1 day 2 hrs ago
      flexibility to do what? I vote for more rain and less heat. let's grow more trees for more shade. if we desalt some ocean water to support agriculture and bathing we could have more to eat as well as smell better oerall now we can figure out how to use the energy in that salt to power our cars and cool our buildings. lets get rid of the money changer and plitical schools and try to grow some tinkers and and engineers. put our mney where the progress is for a change. th biggest problem is that flexibility only moves in one direction at a time and the big money controls it.
    • Darnell  •  Floyd, Virginia  •  13 hrs ago
      Let's take EVERY dollar spent on foreign aide to these countries and re-direct the funds to help achieve this noble goal in the USA. Will all these other countries agree to THIS suggestion? And instead of these international conventions, how about "GO-TO-MEETING" tele-conferences. No private aircraft and limos which contribute to global warming. Say NO to Copenhagen and Bangkok conferences......
    • Dan  •  2 days 21 hrs ago
      "It is more disappointing that in clarifying its position the Obama administration has said it 'supports' the goal but does not support an approach that guarantees achieving it."
      Tell me about it... We've been dealing with this for almost four years.
      • mnemon 1 day 14 hrs ago
        I think Jack is right. It doesn't matter that "the GOP does not have science on its side" since the public is still ambivalent about acting on climate change anyway and see economic and employment issues as much more important. Otherwise, I agree that Democrats should start putting their money where their mouth is and, since the only way to do that effectively is to lead by example, they should begin by completely cutting out the next DNC and all ostentatious and unnecessary jet-setting around. They should green their private lives to the max to prove that they aren't hypocrites.
      • Richard 1 day 18 hrs ago
        In my opinion, Democrats should make climate change a major issue of the election. Moderates would run for their lives from the extremist GOP politicians, who are in deep denial. Once the issue was out in the open, people would see just how extremist the GOP politicians really are on this.
        They cannot win this argument.

        Their denial is largely based in religious foundamentalism, which many moderates usually tolerate, but won't when it comes to the future of civilization being threatened because of their flat earth thinking
      • Richard 1 day 19 hrs ago
        No it won't. The GOP does not have science on it's side. It cannot win on this, try as it might. If anything, a more pro-active stance by Obama would improve his election chances.
    • buggrthat  •  Panama City, Florida  •  3 days ago
      "Europe and Africa demanded that a two-degree-Celsius (3.6-degree-Fahrenheit) objective set at the 2009 Copenhagen summit be honoured while small island states, more vocal, accused Washington of backsliding."

      How much backsliding is there to be done from lip service.
      • Richard 1 day 18 hrs ago
        jack R agree, but we do need policy maker based in reality also
      • Jack R 2 days 21 hrs ago
        So far, all we've gotten from every nation on the planet is lip service. Therefore, each caring individual has to act on his, or her own.
    • Micky  •  Lansing, Michigan  •  3 days ago
      Jumbo shrimp, pretty ugly, living dead, honest politician. Some words just don't sound right together.
      • my2centswrth 1 day 3 hrs ago
        Enlightened Democrat, liberal think tank, citizen Obama, lower taxes, Congressional integrity, government downsizing, Obama"care", illegal voters.
      • CameronS 3 days ago
        Military intelligence, safe weapon, trustworthy public relations professional, ethical lobbyist, corrupt scientist, informed dittohead, rational denialist. This game is fun!
    • Jack R  •  Toledo, Ohio  •  3 days ago
      "If the United States is prepared to abandon its own farmers". What? We would do that? Not "us", but the special interests that control our Congress, and White House. They have plenty of money to afford much higher food prices, and increased costs to air condition their huge homes. They could care less about the little people.
      • CameronS 3 days ago
        My grandfather had a ground sourced electric heat pump in his Sarasota home in the '60s, installed with the original construction. It was one of those all-electric demonstration subdivisions, even had a bronze Reddy Kilowatt doorbell plate. Nuclear fission power was gonna be "too cheap to meter." Truly amazing machine, chilled that sprawling house and its huge screened porch in the Florida damp heat like it wasn't hot outside, on less than 2KW. They call them "geothermal heat pumps" now and talk about them as if they were new. Too bad that technology didn't catch on then.
      • Jack R 3 days ago
        263 Kwhrs for the whole summer? How much do you use, Mike? How much does the average American use to cool their home or apartment?

        A high efficiency unit would cost about $2400 for a 2 ton model. Until my old dog dies, I'll use it, sparingly.
      • mike 3 days ago
        so instead of using an ac that is green you use an old inefficient ac that uses way more energy than a modern 1. tsk tsk. Does that make you a felon too ?
    • W H A T ?  •  Toronto, Canada  •  4 days ago
      Obama doesn't dare raise the AGW issue as the electorate is focused on the economy. Neither candidate has raised this issue, as of yet. Notice how they are going after the US while allowing China and India to pollute at will? If the planet is in such dire straights as they predict, then how can they reasonably exclued China and India's contributions. They say it's to allow them to catch up? Really? If we are in imminent danger then why give them a free pass? Aren't all nations, subject to climate change? You want credibility then demonstrate clear thinking. Going after some and leaving others is haphazard at best and criminal, if the worst case scenarios come true, in my opinion.
      • Richard 1 day 18 hrs ago
        China has actually made a bigger committment to renewable energy than the U.S.

        The Chinese government will spend $450 billion supporting renewables in the next five years and $750 billion by 2020.

        they have set a goal of 15% renewables by 2020

        their new goal for wind power is 1,000 GW by 2050 and 150 GW by 2020

        They have set a goal of 50 GW of solar by 2020

        There is a city in China where over 800,000 people are employed in solar energy

        There are 120 million installed solar water heaters in China.

        (1,000 GW of wind power is equivalent to about 300 nuclear reactors, using 30% capacity factor for wind, for it's intermittancy, and a rough estimate. Nuclear plants are about 85% capacity factor.)
      • Richard 1 day 18 hrs ago
        W H A T?

        China is an issue, but you are misinformed.

        "Coal and China: Bad, but maybe not as bad as you think"
        By David Roberts
        part two of my interview with Michael Liebreich, head of Bloomberg New Energy Finance

        [read it at Grist}
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        China

        Much of their pollution and CO2 emisions come from making products that you probably buy at WallMart.

        They have a right to develop their country and have a modern standard of living.

        Yes they are burning a lot of coal. But their CO2 emissions, which just surpassed ours a few years ago, is still only 1/4 of ours, on a per capita basis.
        They have 4 times as many people.

        They recognize climate change as a threat and have made more commitment to developing altenative energy than the U.S. has.

        They have been rapidly tearing down old dirty coal plants and replacing them with the latest design, which are cleaner.

        The majority of the excess CO2 from human emissions that is now resident in the atmosphere, was put there by western industrialized countries during the industrial revolution. Other countries are just starting to industrialize.
        And those undeveloped countries will more often than not, suffer the most from global warming. Japan, I suppose, would be grouped with the western industrials.

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      • Dude 2 days 0 hrs ago
        That is because the AGW HYPOTHESIS is being used to advance the UN's agenda and bolster its waning fee collections.
    • Jack R  •  Toledo, Ohio  •  3 days ago
      Google this for a study, paid for by the Koch Brothers, which concluded that the planet is surely warming, and that the warming is nearly all man-made.

      "A Letter To Charles Koch: Do You Consider Climate Science To Be On A โ€˜Solid, Firm Foundationโ€™ As Richard Muller Does?

      The second entry, by thinkprogress dot org is the one I read.
    • WilliamG  •  2 days 10 hrs ago
      Why should America talk to the UN about a mythical global warming. What is the UN going to do about it. If they don't like it these third world jerks should leave America we are tired of paying so much to the UN anyway. It isn't like they ever rule in our favor.
    • DwayneC  •  East Greenwich, Rhode Island  •  4 days ago
      Just another example of Obama's "Radical Environmentalism" that the right is always complaining about. Seriously, it is about as radical as his anti-gun stance, which is non-existent.
    • Truth  •  1 day 23 hrs ago
      It's funny how we lean on the U.N here instead of "taking charge" like this Govt. normally does .Hmmmm ,makes you think .You folks like your doomsday movies ...get ready to live one out in realtime.Do you have truly any idea what a horror show it will be ? not to mention the once indescribable beauty of this planet ...gone.What a shame ,you don't desrve it ayway to be honest .
    • Smooth Criminal  •  3 days ago
      Of course the planet is warming - after the end of the LIA. Any warming is natural; there is no causal factor or 'smoking gun' pointing to CO2.
    • R. Bruce  •  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania  •  3 days ago
      Obama is a JOKE. All he can do is LIE LIE LIE
    • Kyle  •  Lenexa, Kansas  •  3 days ago
      The Senate will NEVER ratify a treaty that weakens the US and won't do a flipping thing to "curb" "global warming".
    • Peggy  •  4 days ago
      AGW is a cult.
    • Paul  •  3 days ago
      The UN's IPCC is a fraud along with their members of fools! The UN has never fixed anything except their bank accounts with OPM (other peoples money)! They should be dismantled and thrown out of the USA as fast as possible........Plain and simple
    • Roger47  •  Galveston, Texas  •  4 days ago
      If world leaders make saving the planet a priority, they will find a way to reach agreement. If they don't, fuure generations will wonder how they could have been so stupid.
    • Paul B  •  Dallas, Texas  •  2 days 10 hrs ago
      The U.S. should tell these weak #$%$ants to kiss off....or we will bring all of foreign aid back home to where it should be anyway.
    • Shairk.  •  2 days 18 hrs ago
      SCREW the U.N.
    • SHiNOBi_11  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 days ago
      CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) is innocent in all these global warming-climate change hoax aka depopulation and carbon taxes/penalties. Just leave CO2 and the greenhouse family alone! T.T
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