nex 7 speaker by trajik78 on Thursday, July 26, 2012
my buddy at work just got his Nex7. it's great, but the speaker is REALLY REALLY bad. distorts even at low volume.
trajik78
RE: nex 7 speaker by rfdparker on Friday, July 27, 2012
I had the same issue. I tried a stereo audio test video from YouTube, and it seemed one of the pair of speakers had already blown on/before arrival, whilst the other was fine.

So I'm getting it swapped today.
rfdparker
RE: nex 7 speaker by ImSpartacus on Saturday, July 28, 2012
If Google had to skimp somewhere, I'm glad they skimped on the speakers.
ImSpartacus
I'm disappointed that micro SD slots seem to be disappearing from high profile Android devices and frustrating reviewers seem to skip over it. I can see why manufacturers want to take micro SD slots off devices but losing the slot is no benefit to consumers and being able to add lots of cheap memory to a device with an HD screen prime for video and games is useful.

John
Johnmcl7
I'd imagine google wants to try and sell people cloud storage rather than let them go and buy a micro sd card.
Wiggy McShades
Which makes no sense on a WiFi-only device.
mcnabney
Seeing how quickly my son's 8GB iPod touch filled up, I think they could have really used more memory. Web browsing and streaming is OK, but you won't be able to install very many games, or put a full music library on it. It can't be that much more expensive to add another 16 GB.
kmmatney
Frustrating? by EnzoFX on Thursday, July 26, 2012
What is there for a reviewer to talk about besides simply stating it doesn't have one? Which they all do. It doesn't have one, this you know already, you're either ok with it, or it's not for you. They know what they did and they still chose to do it. Get over it?
EnzoFX
To be honest, it's a bit unfair to knock on any Android Device for the lack of MicroSD card storage.

Dan Morrill of Google's Android Team explains why:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-...

It has to do with how USB Mass Storage works and how Apps and Media mingle in the same storage when dealing with internal storage only.

Ideally, ALL Android devices should have SD Cards but Android hasn't matured in that department enough to have them on the Nexus Line.
Sined
As I read that, he says they don't have a microSD slot because it would make settings up things harder ("where does the camera save pictures, where should that app be installed?"). I am glad that I only have android devices with microSD slots. I don't agree with the dumbing down of options he wants. If I wanted that, I'd go with iOS. :-) Looks like I won't get any Nexus device any time soon.
Death666Angel
Samsung seem to do it right, the as the main 16gb mem (for example) is split norm 2gb and 12gb (that shows as an SD card)

and ones with an SD card slot are shown as an second SD card slot
leexgx
Yeah, I don't think they've omitted the expandable storage slots for any one particular reason but more a combination of them... Usability + cost cutting + working out some technical aspects. Still, it's a compromise and he admits as much.

I think the best compromise is what HTC did with the EVO LTE and what I believe Samsung did with the SGS3: internal storage is all MTP so apps, media, and the OS can share the space without strict partitions and you don't need to unmount from theOS to sync content, and the external storage is still good old UMS so you can work around MTP sync issues and/or have expandable storage for media.

It's still a compromise tho, what Morrill states is true, not all apps are built to scan external storage or handle the disconnect of it elegantly. The OS handles it just fine in the case of music/photos IMO (since there's a media scanner) but other stuff can be hit or miss.
Impulses
Anyone who buys a device like this with no storage option is just a fool. Let it burn.
Shadowmaster625
Not everyone is like you.

All my music lives in Spotify and I stream the vast majority of the movies/tv shows I watch. Plus, 90% of my tablet time is spent reading or browsing anyways.

Expandable storage is nice, but it certainly is not a blocking issue for my usage.
dcollins
I love that how all the screaming for future proof options is out the window.
Steve Jobs loves it too.
CeriseCogburn
well, I have a pretty good set up at home for streaming most media to tablets and media devices. The extra 50 bucks for 16 gig was not worth it to me since I will not be traveling with it. I can watch all my movies, listen to all the songs in my library and read books. There are some decent apps - stock ticker, netflix, skype to mention a few. For 200 bucks it is a good deal if you can do without the extra storage or a sd card which I can...
dmyster
Root it, install Stickmount, use any removable media with a USB OTG cable. If there was a better 7" alternative for $50 more or even $100 more that comment might make more sense... But as it is, the Nexus 7 is still a fantastic device and unless you're very tech averse the lack of expandable storage out of the box really isn't a big deal...

I'd even take a gamble that most people who'd balk at rooting the thing will probably never store enough media or games on it to really have an issue with 16GB, the 8GB model will be tight if you start to download big games left and right tho.
Impulses
Boy you have no clue on the public and general end users.
Let me help.
They are utterly clueless, and when faced with storage constraints, they have no idea what to do, and deleting for space is above their user skills.
That's the vast majority of purchasers.
CeriseCogburn
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-nexus-devices-ha...

That article talks about the lack of SD cards, and honestly it makes sense to me. Also, keep in mind that they do have a 16 GB Nexus 7 available for purchase. Although, I think it's currently sold out.
lunarx3dfx
CeriseCogburn
My Kindle is fulled with books and audio books and I need more space. I am seriously thinking about purchasing the Nexus 7 as a replacement simply because XDA has provided a way to add more storage space via a dongle. Still, my eyes are shouting for a 10" reader as I know the 7" Kindle is always stressing as it is.
The0ne
Typo by GTForce on Thursday, July 26, 2012
I think it should be "winning a higher level accolade" instead of "winning a higher level allocade". It's always baffling to see pro tech editors not using a simple spell-check to finalize their articles. BTW, a nice article (as usual on AnandTech).
GTForce
RE: Typo by CeriseCogburn on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Pro or Moe ?
Arrogant and ignorant.
Imagine the heady region in where they dwell.
If they need a spellchecker, they must be stupid.
It's fear and low self esteem.
CeriseCogburn
iPad NAND performance comparison? by tipoo on Thursday, July 26, 2012
I'm curious now if a better flash memory controller is part of what gave iPads the fluidity lead up until this tablet, how do they fare in NAND performance?
tipoo
Video??? by wendoman on Thursday, July 26, 2012
"The video below shows you what can happen on a Transformer Pad Infinity while downloading a bunch of large files in the background:"

Where the video?
wendoman
Amazon Video Service by driscoll42 on Thursday, July 26, 2012
You don't actually lose Amazon's video service. You can view Amazon Prime videos in any standard browser, I've got a shortcut on my Nexus 7 which just goes straight to Amazon's Video Service. What you do lose is access to the Lending Library.
driscoll42
RE: Amazon Video Service by geniekid on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Good point. I use Amazon VoD a lot, which is the best argument for myself in getting a Kindle Fire over this thing.

I wonder what the difference between the KF and Nexus 7 is in terms of how long it takes to get from the home screen to actual streaming video.
geniekid
RE: Amazon Video Service by Sprchkn on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Except that Flash isn't supported on Jelly Bean... I know, mine arrived yesterday and I tried that. Amazon either needs to release an Android app or move to HTML5.

But, I've already cancelled the auto-renewal on my Prime account due to their use of Flash DRM which requires a workaround to install the deprecated HAL package under Gentoo so it's not like I'm married to them. Google actually seems to be the only one that supports both Linux and Android, so I'll just start purchasing my video content from them.
Sprchkn
RE: Amazon Video Service by Impulses on Friday, July 27, 2012
Flash works fine on Jelly Bean under Firefox and other browsers, just need to side load it.
Impulses
Root + Stickmount + cable by RamarC on Thursday, July 26, 2012
will allow usb tthumb drive/sd cards to be used with the Nexus 7.
RamarC
213 pixels per inch in a 7 inch by Pino on Thursday, July 26, 2012
"213 pixels per inch in a 7 inch display is unique for an Android tablet"

Lenovo´s S2007 tablet has such a display and was launched way before the Nexus 7:

http://appserver.lenovo.com.cn/Lenovo_lepadSeries_...
Pino
Nexus 7 vs My Sweetspot by eaanders@cox.net on Thursday, July 26, 2012
The primary advantage of the Nexus 7 is price. If a tablet is so small you need to zoom, the sweet spot is the Galaxy Note. It's half the weight of the 7, fits in your shirt pocket, and combines the features of a phone, a camera, and a small tablet in one unit with the possibility of adding an additional 32 Gb of storage. The Note 2 will be even faster.

My netbook will be replaced by a Windows 8 hybrid eventually for full computing power. This and the Galaxy Note are all I will need to do everything mobile.
eaanders@cox.net
RE: Nexus 7 vs My Sweetspot by Sprchkn on Thursday, July 26, 2012
I think it depends on what you're using it for. I bought the Nexus 7 so that I can leave my phone docked up to my stereo and then look up recipes, check email, etc. while I'm in the kitchen cooking. The speakers are a bit weak, but it will probably also see some duty playing movies, again, while I'm cooking or perhaps when I'm on my treadmill. The missing storage hasn't been a problem for me with the way I use my phone and I always have my iPod available for music duty. Besides, for whatever reason, I've always had trouble with the micro SDs and corruption when copying large amounts of data onto them - so I'm actually relieved that Google Play means I no longer have to deal with that.
Sprchkn
RE: Nexus 7 vs My Sweetspot by MadMan007 on Thursday, July 26, 2012
An unlocked Galaxy Note is over twice as expensive as the Nexus 7. It's only fair to compare unsubsidized vs unsubsidized pricing. Everyone's needs and wants are different, but the 'if you're going to zoom anyway' point is valid if one were going to get a subsidized phone anyway and can deal with the size of the Note as a phone.
MadMan007
Great stuff on the NAND performance, as well as the commentary on the screen configuration. Your reviews are consistently the most detailed and technically accurate I see.

One thing that would be interesting to do is NAND performance comparisons with the 16GB model. I believe this uses a different NAND controller, so you should see some different interesting behavior. And since the 16GB model is likely more popular than the 8GB one, this would be relevant to many people.
hackbod
I would like to see similar tests (flash throughput) done also with smartphones. There has been rumors that there are some significant difference between some (e.g. iPhone and some Androids) and it would be interesting to know also for new WP devices.
risa2000
still need bigger screen by chrnochime on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Great product for those who don't mind reading on a 7" screen, but for me even the 10" gets tiring after a while, though considerably less so than a 7".

I am amazed at those who are able to read the tiny texts on a 7" for a prolonged period of time. Tried that with a 10" and couldn't last more than 1hr. Uh.
chrnochime
RE: still need bigger screen by amdwilliam1985 on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Tell that to the girls who are reading on iPhone with 3.5", I can barely see the tiny texts on their screen.
Going from 3.5" to 7" will 4x their reading area, will make a heavenly difference for them.
amdwilliam1985
RE: still need bigger screen by jamyryals on Thursday, July 26, 2012
What does being a girl have to do with it? I read books on my 4s quite often when traveling. Last time I checked I was a man... Yup, still am.
jamyryals
RE: still need bigger screen by amdwilliam1985 on Friday, July 27, 2012
Sorry to bring girls into the topic.
I'm only saying that because I see a lot of girls in NYC subways with iPhone 4/4S. Most guys I saw in NYC subways are with bigger phones. Just reporting my observation.

And the point of the topic is that if people can read on 3.5", then reading on 7" will be a dramatic(4x) improvement.
amdwilliam1985
RE: still need bigger screen by Akilaehunter on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Every buy a paperback with uncomfortably small lettering? Or even a hardcover that tries to look artsy by using an inconvenient font?

All (worthwhile) e-readers and e-reader apps allow for margin size, text size, and font style changes.

Argument is invalid; You can read a book on a 4" screen as optically comfortably as on a 10" screen, you'll just wear out your fingers flipping resized pages.
Akilaehunter
RE: still need bigger screen by chrnochime on Thursday, July 26, 2012
It's not invalid; I'd rather not have to enlarge everything and scroll a whole bunch just to read one 8" x 11" webpage.

Yes I can actually see the texts all shrunken on a 7", but I have no intention to torture myself in doing so. Rather spend that time on something more productive.

Besides I *did* say it's a great device didn't I?

And not all e-readers are stuck in 7". The Amazon DX is 10" which I also have, so.
chrnochime
RE: still need bigger screen by Akilaehunter on Friday, July 27, 2012
Webpages, you're 100% right. I don't own a 10" tablet and even in landscape mode on a 7" many webpages can get uncomfortably small. Plus the scrolling.

Still, if the nook/kindle app is uncomfortable to read books with it's one's own fault for not making it comfortable with the many combinations of size options.
Akilaehunter
RE: still need bigger screen by CeriseCogburn on Sunday, July 29, 2012
It's never comfortable as the screen needs to be closer so the eye fry syndrome overtakes any blurry eyed goon who can't read small text.
I suspect a far sighted elderly person with bifocals can hold it at arms length and "telescope" in to the text, but then, have never seen that.

Next we'll have a flurry of articles analyzing peeps with facial skin cancer then we'll have the scare articles that quote the hidden study.

In the mean time the tiny teens and teeny texts can increase corporate visine profit margins.

They should call these devices "fryballs!"
CeriseCogburn
Great Review, Guys! by Akilaehunter on Thursday, July 26, 2012
First off, this is my first article response, though I've been lurking since 2004.

A nitpick to start things off: I know this site tests a ton of mobile hardware so why are some models shown for some tests in an article and not others -in the same article- as comparisons? For instance, my Droid Razr Maxx is in a few comparisons (not this article) but not all. Should maybe be a database cataloguing them all, ala the gfx card benches section? (Or if there is I'm too dense to see it...)

Otherwise, excellent article as always. Especially interested in how the flash storage is the main bottleneck now. Tegra 3 could be a beast at multitasking if all its cores are accounted for, but would then get strangled by IO as soon as it is told to multitask- something a multi-core cpu should be amazing at.

Lot to think about. :D
Akilaehunter
Hey Anand, great review as usual.

I want to point out something about the lack of an SDcard slot.

Dan Morrill from Google Android team explained on Reddit why Google is moving away from SDCard storage on Nexus Devices.

It's a really interesting read on the reasons why.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-...
Sined
Windows RT by Lucian Armasu on Thursday, July 26, 2012
You keep putting Windows RT together with Windows 8, as if they are the same thing and will be just as successful (or will fail just as much). But in what way is a Windows RT tablet, especially one that is twice as expensive, or at least as expensive as an iPad, better than an Android tablet? Is there an advantage at all that they hold over Android tablets? Because I see none, and I'm not sure why you keep up-playing Windows RT while downplaying Android tablet throughout your article.
Lucian Armasu
RE: Windows RT by antef on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Agreed....a hybrid x86 Win8 device might appeal to some people, but a WinRT ARM tablet is not inherently better than Android. I would actually argue Android is better because its app ecosystem is more mature and all the Google services apps are a given. Metro is completely unproven.

WinRT will have the limited desktop with a simplified set of Office apps, that's it. I don't care about that at all, along with many other people I'm sure.
antef
RE: Windows RT by Impulses on Friday, July 27, 2012
Office RT is the only clear advantage out of the gate, if they actually provide a featured desktop conversion that just happens to run on ARM... If all they put out is a Metro stepchild then that goes out the window. (no pun intended) It's a big selling point tho, but only if Win RT tablets are price competitive with iPads and Android tablets.

Personally I'm still not sold on this holy grail of device convergence either way. 12" or smaller laptops are too cramped for serious work, and tablets just aren't as comfortable for use around the house at that size either. 7" or 8.9" is ideal IMO, specially as an addition to a 13"-14" laptop which is probably the most common scenario.

I say that despite having enjoyed using a 10" ASUS Transformer for over a year now. Currently I have that and a 3 year old netbook and I'm really yearning for a larger laptop replacement for the latter and a smaller tablet in the long run (the TF + dock has been a nice replacement for the netbook when traveling without work duties tho).
Impulses
Why? by EnzoFX on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Why will Win8 Tablets cannibalize Android tablets?

I'm all for more competition, and MS is definitely bringing it, but are you implying it'll overtake Android right away? MS has a long way to go before that. Even their specs seems underpar, except for the intel powered one, which comes in at ultrabook pricing...
EnzoFX
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