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Novell didn't present enough evidence to show that Microsoft deliberately stopped supporting certain code needed for WordPerfect and Quattro Pro

The long-winded lawsuit between Microsoft and Novell over Windows 95 applications development has finally come to a close in Microsoft's favor. 
 
U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz ruled yesterday that there wasn't enough evidence to prove that Microsoft had tried to monopolize the applications market with its Windows 95 operating system. 
 
"Although Novell presented evidence from which a jury could have found that Microsoft engaged in aggressive conduct, perhaps to monopolize or attempt to monopolize the applications market, it did not present evidence sufficient for a jury to find that Microsoft committed any acts that violated (antitrust laws) in maintaining its monopoly in the operating systems market," wrote Motz. 
 
Novell sued Microsoft in 2004 claiming that the Windows maker had manipulated its Windows 95 operating system to be incompatible with Novell's WordPerfect and Quattro Pro programs in an effort to boost its own versions of the programs. Microsoft allegedly restricted outside programmers from accessing programming code needed to run Novell's software correctly. This supposedly prevented Novell from releasing its software for Windows 95 on time. 
 
The trial began October 18, 2011 and ended in December after a 12-member jury panel was unable to reach a unanimous decision. 
 
Novell's software depended on four pieces of programming code called name space extensions. These name space extensions hold information on how some applications are used in Windows. However, Judge Motz found that Microsoft's lack of support for these name space extensions was not enough evidence for Novell's inability to launch its software in Windows 95 within 90 days of its initial release.
 
"We've maintained throughout this case that Novell's arguments lack merit, and we're gratified with today's ruling dismissing the last of Novell's claims and putting this matter to rest," said David Howard, Microsoft deputy general counsel.  
 
Novell was less enthused about the ruling, since the company sought $1.3 billion in damages. 
 
"All WordPerfect wanted to do was compete with Microsoft Word and Office on a reasonably level playing field," said Jeff Johnson, Novell's attorney. "Unfortunately, as you have seen, Mr. Gates and Microsoft had other plans."

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Deal with it.
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/17/2012 7:05:53 PM , Rating: 5
As someone who used WordPerfect back in the day, I will agree that during the Win3.1 heyday that Novell had a competitive product. However it was a general nuisance even to people that used it. MS Word didn't really kill WordPerfect. Office 97 was the nail in the coffin. Office 97 provided a solid product suite that pretty much annihilated WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 (Excel ate this thing for breakfast). To top it off they provided Powerpoint which had no real competition at the time and Access which provided a relatively easy to use database to the workforce and didn't require they stand up a server. The integration between all of the office products through OLE and JetDirect was at the time unheard of. Microsoft never did manage to release a solid competitor to Visio (The gold standard in networking diagrams) and ended up just buying them out and rebranding it as MS Visio.

Since then the "Office Suite" has producted the gold standard in productivity. No longer do companies release just a "text editor" by itself. OpenOffice, StarOffice, and others come as a suite as well with good integration between all of the products.

The only crime here is that Microsoft or someone else didn't kill off Novell sooner. If you've ever used their Netware product line you know what I'm talking about.




RE: Deal with it.
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/17/2012 7:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
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Since then the "Office Suite" has producted the gold standard in productivity.

Should be "produced". I'd give a kidney for an edit button....


RE: Deal with it.
By Nortel on 7/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: Deal with it.
By dawza on 7/17/2012 9:48:05 PM , Rating: 5
I beg to differ, as many others, I am sure.

The change to an XML base in 2007 alone was huge in terms of flexibility and ability to do all kinds of nifty import/export tricks. Excel 2003-->2007 was a major advance in terms of multicore support, precision bug fixes, total cell range, pivot tables, diagrams, etc. Even 2007-->2010 was huge if you use pivot tables (slicers and powerpivot).

Similar appreciable improvements in the functionality and usability in Word and PowerPoint from 2003-->07-->10. Outlook 2010 is significantly more user-friendly than 2007.

The gains in productivity are quite real; the evolution comprises far more than visual/GUI tweaks.


RE: Deal with it.
By kattanna on 7/18/2012 10:47:48 AM , Rating: 2
for power users, you bet, the changes are great.

but for the great majority of office users, no. Most office users dont use but a small fraction of the power available.

heck, wordpad is good enough for most of my office users honestly, though they always "think" they need the full word app.



RE: Deal with it.
By inighthawki on 7/17/2012 11:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
I can see your usage of MS word doesn't extend far beyond typing something on the page and hitting print, then.


RE: Deal with it.
By drycrust3 on 7/18/2012 11:23:18 AM , Rating: 1
In the early 90s I worked in an engineering office, and one of the things I noticed was that everyone used Microsoft Word as their default word processor even though there were other word processors available, e.g Framework, Word Perfect. So I took the time try out all the other word processors (including Word Perfect). My recollection is that with the exception of Framework I don't think I even wrote a complete page, and that Microsoft Word was by far the best word processor around.
What I found different about Microsoft products is that when they said they could do something the could actually do it. Microsoft products were clearly better than most other software of that time. I was most annoyed that when we shifted offices one of the IT guys demanded my Microsoft Word handbook (which I used extensively) for "safe keeping during the shift" and never returned it.


RE: Deal with it.
By WalksTheWalk on 7/18/2012 9:41:19 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that, back in the day, WordPerfect was probably its own worst enemy. It was a little buggy for certain operations. At the same time I think they had some gripes.

Word used undocumented Windows APIs to do things WordPerfect couldn't.

At the time, Corel, accused Microsoft of implementing API changes to break their software. While no one can know if this was true I certainly suspected it at the time. I could have a PC where WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 were running just fine, then after installing the latest MS patches they started not working as well. Word, on the other hand, continued to work well after the patches. It seemed VERY fishy.


RE: Deal with it.
By GatoRat on 7/18/2012 1:28:30 PM , Rating: 2
Word used undocumented Windows APIs to do things WordPerfect couldn't.

That just isn't true. WordPerfect for Windows was a buggy piece of crap written by developers who didn't know windows well and had one hand tied behind their backs by management. I know and have worked many of them, including family members.

Incidentally, one problem with Corel is that they wrote to a specific version of some runtime DLLs. Word worked well after the patches because they didn't write code leveraging a clear bug in those DLLs.


RE: Deal with it.
By Solandri on 7/18/2012 4:17:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm generally against Microsoft on these things (completely supported the monopoly charges against them), but WordPerfect was its own worst enemy. It completely dominated the DOS word processing market - having the WP hotkeys and function keys memorized was practically a requirement for any secretary's resume.

They resisted the transition to the GUI because it would mean giving most of this up (who needs to memorize function keys when you can pull it up from a menu?). They started developing WP for Windows late (though to be fair, they were initially working on WP for OS/2 because Microsoft initially told everyone that OS/2 was going to be the GUI version of DOS). When WP for Windows arrived, it was late and buggy.

It's all water under the bridge now, but Microsoft did use undocumented APIs to their advantage. Someone who interned at Microsoft in their Office products recounted a story of how they were having trouble getting a function to work using the regular Windows APIs. He joked that maybe they should call the Operating System guys and ask to have a new function call added in. His boss took him seriously. From the standpoint of a single organization, that sort of cooperation makes sense. But from the standpoint of an industry where you're competing with other software makers writing apps for your OS, it's poison.


RE: Deal with it.
By phazers on 7/18/2012 11:24:35 AM , Rating: 2
IIRC, it was either Wordperfect Corp. (before they got bought out) or Lotus that dismissed Windows 3.1 as an OS shell, stating that it was just a fad and that power users would stick with DOS. Consequently most of their R&D; dollars would be going to further DOS program development, and that they would wait until Windows improved significantly as it was too slow and cumbersome. IOW, they didn't believe Microsoft's "hype" about Windows being the future OS of the PC.

So basically they shot themselves in both feet, had to scramble when Win95 arrived and they were way, way behind the curve on development, particularly with Wordperfect not having "WYSIWYG" or 'what you see is what you get' with on-screen formatting matching the printed product. Sure it had a preview function that would generally show fairly well what the final printed page would look like, but IIRC you had to install a printer driver for each printer in order to take advantage of it, plus it was rather slow.

There's no cure for stupidity so IMO they got what they deserved for short-sightedness, hubris, etc etc. To try and blame their massive fail on Microsoft while ignoring their own culpability is just crass greed..


RE: Deal with it.
By Solandri on 7/18/2012 4:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
IIRC, it was either Wordperfect Corp. (before they got bought out) or Lotus that dismissed Windows 3.1 as an OS shell, stating that it was just a fad and that power users would stick with DOS. Consequently most of their R&D; dollars would be going to further DOS program development, and that they would wait until Windows improved significantly as it was too slow and cumbersome. IOW, they didn't believe Microsoft's "hype" about Windows being the future OS of the PC.

That's a bit abbreviated from what actually happened, deceptively so.

What actually happened is that everyone was using DOS. Microsoft was still cooperating closely with IBM, and together they announced that OS/2 was going to be the future PC operating system. Protected memory, multitasking, and a GUI. The big software companies said OK, and started having their programmers learn OS/2 and start porting their apps over to it.

Then IBM and Microsoft had a falling out (lots of argument as to who was at fault) and agreed to go their separate ways. IBM took over OS/2. Microsoft dusted off this Windows project it had been working on prior to the agreement with IBM to work on OS/2, and told everyone that OS/2 was out, and the future was going to be Windows. Understandably, most of the big software companies didn't appreciate having the rug and their training investment pulled out from under them, and Microsoft was no longer credible when they stated that x was going to their future direction. So there was considerable cause for skepticism about Windows at the time.


RE: Deal with it.
By SAN-Man on 7/18/2012 4:14:15 PM , Rating: 2
I too was around in those days and prior to Office 97 I preferred WordPerect. Microsoft made a superior product and the market recognized this. The rest is history.


novell... windows 95?
By RamarC on 7/17/2012 9:07:03 PM , Rating: 2
there's got to be some statute of limitations on stuff like this. it's like Milhouse suing over the pinewood derby race from 15 years ago when he was certain Homer helped Bart build a faster car!




RE: novell... windows 95?
By MZperX on 7/18/2012 11:52:05 AM , Rating: 2
But can you imagine how many billable hours the lawyers got out of this? $$$$ Cha-ching!


A reality check
By GatoRat on 7/18/2012 1:46:07 PM , Rating: 2
WordPerfect's CEO Alan Ashton had blinders on and let his hatred of Bill Gates, Microsoft and GUIs color his decisions. He allied himself with OS/2 and openly criticized Windows as a fad. (He resisted a Mac version for a long time and when he finally green lit it, he insisted it be a port--the Mac team eventually ignored him.)

One of the biggest ironies was when Ashton wrote an editorial in OS/2 magazine blasting Windows and saying OS/2 was the best thing, only to then turn around and cancel WordPerfect for OS/2 within weeks of the editorial publication. (Years later, WordPerfect canceled their Mac version just after it was declared fantastic.)

WordPerfect for Windows was horrible. It is by far the worse published for profit software I've ever used. I still recall someone showing me how "great" it was when suddenly all the text and images got compressed to one line. This type of bug was typical. Then there was the fact that it would corrupt its own data files when writing them. How about finding out first hand that they had an entire team of engineers working on just the file open/save dialog (due to becoming convinced that they had to implement something nobody else, including Microsoft, had or was implementing.)

I know and have worked with many of the WordPerfect engineers. The place was a disaster; some brilliant engineers, many lousy engineers and even worse management. Quattro Pro was worse. As one engineer who took over the project told me, Borland engineers loved C++ and hated windows and it showed.

The accusation that Microsoft had hidden APIs that WordPerfect needed is nonsense. When WordPerfect began those accusations, I'd already written code using published APIs that did exactly what WordPerfect claimed couldn't be done. (Microsoft did use some undocumented APIs, but this was for lazy, legacy reasons since there were almost always better published alternatives and in the few cases where there weren't, the undocumented APIs were well known. I should also add that going to Windows 95 required you to make some changes that many amateurs didn't make. This was openly discussed by Microsoft at developer conferences. Yet, for years, I'd see applications still making the old, obsolete, calls [the most notorious was in miss-calculating free disk space.])




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