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    Southern Hospitality Lacking In Grad's Northern Social Circles

    DEAR ABBY: What is considered good manners when you enter the home of a 20-something Northerner? I'm a graduate student who recently moved from the South to the East Coast. When I visit the homes of my Northern friends, I feel they are being rude for not inviting me to come in and sit down.

    When visitors come to my place, I ask if I can take their coats, ask them to please sit and make themselves comfortable and offer something to drink. It feels strange to enter someone's living space and not hear these pleasantries. It also makes me feel as if I'm imposing.

    If others arrive around the same time, I try to follow their cues, but I still find it uncomfortable to just plop down and make myself at home. Should I just get over it? -- FISH OUT OF WATER

    DEAR FISH OUT OF WATER: If you have been invited to someone's home, then you are welcome. That your visit doesn't begin with the customary rituals you're used to does not mean that your host is rude. Yes, you should "get over it." Just go with the flow -- in time you will adjust.


    DEAR ABBY: I don't have a car. I can't afford one at this time. For the last two years a friend has been doing me a favor by taking me grocery shopping every week. I can (and do) take the bus to the local grocery store, but it makes it easier to buy things in bulk with a car. We have dinner, go to an occasional movie and generally have a good time hanging out. I buy her dinner sometimes as a thank-you for her great help.

    Recently, I got to meet a group of her friends. She introduced me to every single person by going over the whole history of my not having a car, and how she has taken me grocery shopping every week. All her friends began praising her for her kindness. I was upset and embarrassed that rather than introduce me as a friend she instead portrayed me as an object of her charity.

    I always thought she enjoyed our get-togethers. She used to rebuff any attempts on my part to make our shopping trips less frequent. Do I suck it up for the sake of our friendship, or do I discontinue or curtail our meetings? -- EMBARRASSED IN MICHIGAN

    DEAR EMBARRASSED: What your "benefactor" did was extremely insensitive. True acts of charity are done anonymously. For now, my advice is to suck it up not for the sake of the friendship, but to do so for the sake of the transportation unless you can find an alternative.


    DEAR ABBY: When I was 15, my mother put away a large sum of money for me as a college fund. A few years later, she quit her job and began drinking and smoking heavily.

    I have now graduated from high school and have discovered that when she quit her job she used my college fund to pay for her alcohol and cigarettes.

    Yes, it was her money. But it was intended for my education. Am I wrong to be upset? -- DISAPPOINTED SON IN FORT GRATIOT, MICH.

    DEAR DISAPPOINTED SON: Of course you're not wrong to be upset. You wouldn't be human if you weren't. However, now that you know the money you were promised won't be there, you need to start researching ways to finance completing your education. A place to begin would be your nearest library -- or online. Also, many schools allow students to work part-time on campus to help with the cost of classes, so look into that, too.


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    • Netcord  •  3 days ago
      Dear Disappointed: Tell your dear mom that you have money put back for her when her golden years come. LOL
    • Angie  •  9 days ago
      L#3 Your mom gave her word and didn't keep it. Nothing wrong with being upset about it, but move on and let it go, don't let it haunt you. Tell her how you feel and then take care of yourself.....

      My uncle had the reverse problem....he set up complete college funds and neither of his children went to college....they asked for the money though.....and he said no. It was for college and that's what he told them to begin with......he did eventually give it to them when they married and bought their 1st homes, he sure wasn't giving it to them to blow in their early 20's.
      • William S. 9 days ago
        I like your Uncle.
      • Angie 9 days ago
        Me to :)

        He is one of my favorites.
      • Elizabeth 9 days ago
        Smart man. I'm giving my son the option of using his college fund for college or putting it entirely towards retirement. He has those two choices and ONLY those two choices. Once I give him that money, he isn't going to get another large amount off me, not for a loan, not for a car, not for a home. Dependency is a bad thing to become addicted to.
    • Carol  •  Havre, Montana  •  9 days ago
      Sorry, I was raised in the north and I do not like company to just go help themselves to whatever they want. If I have cold beer or wine, I will offer it. Please do not go looking. It is like company that goes through your medicine cabinet.
      • Shannon 9 days ago
        Yes, I feel the same way. I will take the bottle and food items and set it on the table for people to have. If they have to go seeking in the fridge, that makes me uncomfortable. Unless it is my longtime best friend or something. I also think it is polite to call someone before stopping by, but out here in the country that is exactly what people do! Took me a while to get used to. :)
      • Carol 9 days ago
        LOL out here in the Country. I have had 1 car go past this last hour. Yes, please call before showing up. It could be embarrassing if you just show up.
      • Shannon 9 days ago
        Right! After I moved from Seattle to my island, I quickly learned to get dressed as soon as I woke up, because people will come over! And if you don't answer the door, they will come in!! I about had a heart attack. :)
    • Tara  •  9 days ago
      LW 1- Being from the South/North has nothing to do with where a person is from its how they were brought up as children. I have lived in the both the North and the South and have seen rude people from both parts.
      • Snow Bunny-Rebel 9 days ago
        Amen, sister!
      • Sue 9 days ago
        I'm a relocated Yankee living in the deep south...loving it, by the way...and rudeness and lack of manners comes in both blue and gray.
      • Fortuna 9 days ago
        You're all southerners to me, except maybe Sacre-Tease.
    • MAM  •  Ruidoso, New Mexico  •  9 days ago
      LW2....Your friend's willingness to help you wore out awhile back....& you did not pick up on it. So she is being passive/aggressive about the issue, even tho she likes you, this is how it pops out.
      • Becca 8 days ago
        Agreed. Perceptive post.
    • ministerzel  •  8 days ago
      Regarding southern hospitality.

      Like anything, it depends on the individuals. I grew up in the south and people DO tend to chat and welcome you as described in the letter. They will talk to strangers. They do show concern and an openness to folks whom they do not even know. Many in the south are like that. Perhaps that's why they call it southern hospitality.

      There are some aspects of the culture that is so humorous - walking down the road and/street of small towns, people wave at you! (You learn to just wave back instead of saying, "Who is the world was that?" LOL) The irritating: That concern for others can mean being too involved in the lives of others sometimes ("Why didn't you come to church on Sunday, Betty?" LOL).

      In southern small towns, when someone dies, between the time of the death and the funeral, EVERYONE comes to visit! AND, they DO NOT call first. They just show up. It's a kind gesture that they come bearing food and gifts, but gets overwhelming since sometimes you just want to be alone during these times.

      I'm a Black female and I have traveled extensively on business and vacations. This is what I have learn - if you are friendly and kind, people respond similarly. Regardless of location.
      • Becca 8 days ago
        Funny, I am currently stuck in middle GA, and after living in 13 states and three countries abroad, I can say I have never seen such racism on both sides in my entire 55 years of life. It's horrible. I am here for my daughter, and hopefully we will soon be going back to Lexington, where we lived for eight years prior to coming here for my son in law's work and did not deal with the rampant racism we see here, just outside of ATL. We never go to ATL, despite the cultural attractions, because we are treated like dirt. We are white, and we hate it here. We are often treated by blacks as I was in my early teens in the 60s. We are not racist and never will be, but the racism here has shocked and dismayed us to our core. There is NO such thing as Southern hospitality in the deep south.
      • Robybird 4 days ago
        Don't judge the entire South by Atlanta. Big cities are not usually representative of the culture in an entire area.
    • Face Plate  •  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania  •  8 days ago
      In regard to the story about the driving/grocery store, I would find ANY other way to get to the store. Check into home delivery or get on the bus a few times a week. Send the "friend" $50 gas card to thank her for the gesture and move on. Don't even waste your time feeling angry at her lack of sensitivity. She is clearly sending a signal here, and you need to take the hint.
    • Deb  •  Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  6 days ago
      Embarrassed: Boy was Abby off the mark on this one!! You should calmly tell her you are so sorry for taking advantage of her offer to drive you to get your groceries-you had no Idea it was not done to enjoy each others company and that you feel hurt she would need to confirm her charity by being so rude to introduce you as a poor friend who can't afford a car! Confrony her so she can see how she hurt you!!! Then get on with the friendship or not!! If you don't it will eat you up!! What is she saying when she is not with you about you?
    • Chris  •  9 days ago
      Dear Embarrassed,
      When I couldn't afford a car, I got a scooter. Dress properly and you can ride in all but the most brutal snowstorms. It is less expensive to buy and a lot less expensive to fuel.
      Talk to your friend. She may not realize she humiliated you. Or she may be feeling tired of helping you out. Find out which it is.
    • LinusVP  •  9 days ago
      "For now, my advice is to suck it up not for the sake of the friendship, but to do so for the sake of the transportation"

      Yes, by all means continue to use this "friend" it is a mutually beneficial relationship, you get transportation without having to get your own car and she can show her real friends what a generous person she is.
    • Angie  •  9 days ago
      L#1 I don't know?.....I was raised by a southern belle.....and I mean the traditional sountern belle....hehe Love you mom, I'm not picking on you, but you are :).......We have the same customs as you....Come in, sit down, would you like a drink.....

      But I say when in doubt follow the leader.....the host or hostess.
    • SandyS  •  New York, New York  •  9 days ago
      2 - Abby's advice is way off. She is saying be a user until something else can be worked out. How about immediately stop accepting and expecting rides for your shioping?. If the frienship continues then you know you have a friend, if not you had a very considerate driver. But have some pride and don't take the rides feeliing as you do or at least until you speak with her about how hurt you felt.
    • Zara Mikazuki  •  10 days ago
      LW#3 - Your reaction is justified. However, there isn't much you can do about it now, but be thankful that you realized it at some point in advance. Now, you should do some research on how you will finance your education. It is also possible that you may qualify for need-based aid that you wouldn't have had before, because you no longer have this money. Do some research (high school counselors should be able to help you, or at least point out resources to you) and make a financial plan ahead of time, so you aren't in a compromised position in the future.
    • Moonpie  •  9 days ago
      This Northern gal has a bottle of Southern Comfort available to anyone who would like to partake. Is that hospitable enough?
    • Pam  •  9 days ago
      LW 1-The south does not have manners sewn up. There are those of us up Nort' here that invite people in, take their coats, tell them to make themselves at home, and offer refreshments. Not everyone has manners, no matter where you go. I have been to people's caves and been treated more respectfully than at the finest mansion. All depends.
    • weesie  •  9 days ago
      LW2, you are her reason to brag and feel good about herself. Her arm must not be long enough to pat herself on the back.
    • Elizabetta  •  9 days ago
      LW#2: Your friend may be one of those people who can't resist blowing her own horn, or she may feel burdened by weekly trips to the grocery store. Does the friend enjoy the movies and hanging out afterwards, or does she consider this to be charity work as well? Perhaps it's best to limit trips to once a month and offer to pay for gas instead of paying for dinner. If your friend does not protest or ask why you are limiting shopping with her, then it's safe to say she was getting tired of it.
    • Rebekah  •  8 days ago
      LW1--Why don't you ask a close friend to help you out with this. Explain to her the rules of hospitality that you were raised with, and ask her to help you figure out the local customs. Perhaps once you understand why your friends act the way they do, you'll feel a little more comfortable. This may also help you avoid faux pas; for example, you wrote that "When I visit the homes of my Northern friends, I feel they are being rude for not inviting me to come in and sit down", but perhaps your friends feel that YOU are rude for showing up without and invitation.
    • SarahD  •  9 days ago
      Lw2: Let's give her the benefit of the doubt for a moment and assume the driver just stuck her foot in her mouth. People sometimes say things without really thinking it through. It's quite possible that she enjoys your trips together and was just unintentionally rude.

      Even so, maybe you should back off for a moment and stop soliciting rides from her. Figure out a way to make grocery shopping work on your own. Ask her to do something other than shop - get some coffee, grab dinner (heck, have her over for dinner. But don't have her pick you up. Meet her there. You should be able to gauge pretty quickly if you're actually being a burden on her or if you really are friends - does she call you and ask you if you want to join her at the grocery store? Does she call you to do anything else?
    • Lynne B  •  7 days ago
      LW#3, this is a tough break and the worst part is that you are finding out at a time when you would normally have already filled out financial aid forms for the Fall semester. Some grants will not be available to you in time but go ahead and fill out paperwork for financial aid and get in the pipeline. You may need to find work as well. Your college enrollment may be delayed but please do not be discouraged, and I hope you get your education and become successful! I was a late starter and had financial struggles but persevered, and it has paid off for me in the long run to have finished school. You can do it. Just watch out you do not take on too much in student loans since that debt can be crippling upon graduation. Better to live dirt cheap and work part time and reduce your reliance on loans.
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