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    Longtime Boyfriend Needs A Nudge Toward The Altar

    DEAR ABBY: I have been in an on-again/off-again relationship with a man for 16 years -- more on than off. We have two boys together. He recently moved back in, and things are going well.

    We're in our 30s, and I'm ready to be more than girlfriend and boyfriend. I'd like to ask this special man in my life to marry me, but I'm not sure if a woman should ever propose marriage to a man. Should I go ahead and do it, or just be patient and hope that one day he will ask me to take the next big step? -- LONGING FOR MORE IN TEXAS

    DEAR LONGING FOR MORE: By all means, ask him to formalize your relationship. After 16 years and two children, you deserve to know where the relationship is going. And when you do, mention that you'd like him to go to the altar willingly -- before the boys are big enough to hog-tie and drag him there to make an "honest woman" of their mother.


    DEAR ABBY: I have been a vegetarian and anti-fur advocate for many years, and most of my friends and family know it. I feel strongly that wearing fur and leather is cruel and unnecessary, but I don't lecture anyone who doesn't ask my opinion.

    What would be the proper response when someone gives me an item with real animal fur or genuine leather? It has happened before, and while I appreciate that someone has bought me a gift, I'm horrified and heartbroken seeing what's inside the box when I open it, and disappointed knowing that the person has contributed to the unkind and atrocious fur industry. I find it difficult to bring myself to say "thank you" for something I find so morally abhorrent.

    What is the appropriate response in this situation? Is it acceptable for me to use this as an opportunity to educate the person on the horrors of fur fashions? -- VEGGIE IN NEW YORK

    DEAR VEGGIE: No, it isn't. Good manners dictate that you graciously thank the giver and then, if you wish, give the gift a respectful, private burial or regift it to a carnivore.


    DEAR ABBY: My ex-husband is remarrying. We have always tried to be civil toward each other because of our daughter, who is 16. I try to be the bigger person in dealing with him in order to set a good example for her.

    He called her last night after not having called her in several weeks and told her that if she wants to be in his wedding, I (meaning me) should purchase her dress. I thought it was inappropriate for him not only to tell her that, but also to expect me to pay for it.

    When I remarried years ago, I never would have dreamed of asking him for money for her attire. My daughter even thinks this is unrealistic.

    I usually try to keep things positive when it comes to situations with him, but I don't think I'm giving in on this one. Do you agree? -- EX IN ILLINOIS

    DEAR EX: You said you try to keep things positive to set a good example for your daughter. While I agree your ex's demand that you pay for the dress is petty (and cheap), be the bigger person one more time and buy it for her if she wishes to participate rather than argue about it. Then cross your fingers and hope it's his last wedding.


    Dear Abby is written by Abigail Van Buren, also known as Jeanne Phillips, and was founded by her mother, Pauline Phillips. Write Dear Abby at www.DearAbby.com or P.O. Box 69440, Los Angeles, CA 90069.


    What teens need to know about sex, drugs, AIDS and getting along with peers and parents is in "What Every Teen Should Know." Send your name and mailing address, plus check or money order for $7 (U.S. funds) to: Dear Abby, Teen Booklet, P.O. Box 447, Mount Morris, IL 61054-0447. (Shipping and handling are included in the price.)

     
    • Chris  •  3 days ago
      LW#3 - Aren't you glad you divorced him?
      • Mellie 3 days ago
        She should send the new wife a condolence card.
      • KONY MUST BE STOPPED 3 days ago
        The soon to be wife must know about this situation. If this was me, I would take pause and think hard about marrying someone so mean.
      • Kathy 3 days ago
        Kony, it may be that this is the fiance's idea and that she doesn't want him to contribute financially to his daughter any more than is legally necessary, i.e. child support. This sounds like something the person who is married to my ex-husband would try to pull.
    • Angie  •  3 days ago
      L#1 Do something about what causes this to be an on-again/off-again relationship......marriage isn't going to chang that.
    • Thinker Clifford ☰ ➔ ☷  •  Angels Camp, California  •  3 days ago
      LW #3, Your daughter is sixteen. Practically an adult. How about you ask her how she would like to handle it; and tell her you will support her in whatever direction she takes? This way it makes it about doing right by your daughter, helping her to learn how to handle such situations, and not about you and your ex, who is your ex for obvious reasons.
      • Sea 3 days ago
        Good idea. Besides the fact that dad calls after weeks and says "if she wants to be in the wedding" which is a big red flag that the new woman doesn't really want her in the wedding. If she had she would have called the daughter and asked herself.
      • William S. 3 days ago
        Cliff, You're so nice.
      • Thinker Clifford ☰ ➔ ☷ 3 days ago
        Good point Sea.

        Thanks William!
    • Patty  •  3 days ago
      3-He should pay for the dress. If nothing else, he should pay for at least half. How did you let a great guy like that get away?
      • Mike 3 days ago
        Butter fingers maybe? with waffles
      • Nataslia 3 days ago
        I'm surprised she didn't, at some point, hit him with the waffle iron. I would have!
      • Lee Rowan 3 days ago
        If this isn't the fiancee's idea, she'd better think about what this means if SHE has a kid with this cheapskate.
    • Watcher  •  3 days ago
      3 - It should be easy to be the bigger person because that is a really small man.
      • GetYourOwnName 3 days ago
        I wonder if his wedding would fit on the head of a pin.
      • Mike 3 days ago
        Maybe he could get some angels to dance with him
      • Watcher 3 days ago
        He'd better be buying his daughter a dress or he won't be dancing with the angels, he'll be sleeping with the fishes.
    • Elizabetta  •  3 days ago
      LW#1: I don't know how enthusiastic I'd be about marrying someone who hadn't proposed after two kids and 16 years.
    • Speak Softly...  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 days ago
      LW#2 - When someone gives you a gift with a genuine intent of kindness, you shouldn't tell them how much you dislike the gift, especially when they were only trying to be nice.

      On my wedding day, we received a box full of little trinkity plastic knick-knacky (re-gifted) C-rap from my wife's "crazy Aunt Betty" (I swear, that's how EVERYONE referred to her as). I genuinely thanked her for thinking of us on our day (she did not attend the wedding because she was in poor health). A week later we received a package in the mail from crazy Aunt Betty. At first I thought - "oh, she's just cleaning out her closets and getting rid of some more junk", but when I openened it, there was a beautiful (yes - beautiful), brand-new top-of-the-line stainless steel mixer with a separate insert for malts...awesome. I immediately honed my daiquiri skills and every time I fire up that bad boy, I remember that crazy ol' lady, with a smile on my face.
    • Toeless_Joe_Jackson  •  Amarillo, Texas  •  3 days ago
      #1 If he hasn't asked after 16 years and 2 kids, he never will. Go ahead and ask him. That's a good way to get rid of him.
    • SarahD  •  3 days ago
      LW1: You are more than boyfriend and girlfriend - you are parents. I can't wrap my head around women like this who have babies with a guy but are too shy to ask for and expect marriage.

      LW2: This is a shame. But I doubt people are giving you gifts to hurt you. So politely say thank you and do as Abby suggests (I would regift or donate, because I would feel badly "wasting" the product that the animal has died to create).

      LW3: I think you need to take a deep breath and calm down, then talk to him. 16 year olds try their best, but it's never great to trust second-hand messages that have gone through the teenaged filter. Go ahead and ask him about the wedding arrangements and what kind of dress is required. Ask if he meant that you were supposed to PAY for it, split it with him or simply take her to buy it (it is truly possible that he only meant that getting/choosing the dress is more in your wheelhouse). If he confirms that you are meant to pay for the whole thing, tell him politely and reasonably that you think he should do it (or offer to split it - if it's a dress that she will be able to reuse).
    • new ol'lady  •  3 days ago
      #1: The two of you have lived together off and on for 16 years, you've done his laundry, serviced him (there's more than one way to provide a service, guys), fed him - in between living together he breaks it off with you and dates other women. After this long, why would he want to marry you? He has everything and everyone he wants. Either decide to move forward and find a life for yourself that is fulfilling, or continue as second, third, fourth, and fifth best on his list. You're nothing more than a convenience in between girlfriends.
    • Toeless_Joe_Jackson  •  Amarillo, Texas  •  3 days ago
      #3 At 16, your daughter is old enough to understand that her father is a cheap baxtard. If I were her, I wouldn't want to go to the wedding anyway.
    • Dee ☃  •  3 days ago
      "I'd like to ask this special man in my life to marry me"
      Just to be clear...marriage won't fix the problems which caused your on-again/off-again cycle.
    • Ann  •  3 days ago
      LW3: What would be really awesome is if the daughter decided to be nothing more than a guest at the wedding, and then own it when her dad throws a hissy fit.

      But she's 16 and this is unlikely to happen. LW will probably just have to buy the dress for the sake of avoiding drama. The next issue that may arise is the actual price of the dress, and if LW honestly can't afford the price, then it's kind of an SOL stalemate, isn't it?

      I really do hate weddings.
    • Elizabetta  •  3 days ago
      LW#2: You have friends who know you well enough to give you fur and leather gifts, but they don't know your anti-fur views? You must really keep your opinions to yourself.
    • Rob  •  South Weymouth, Massachusetts  •  3 days ago
      Am I the only one who thinks that the "boyfriend" of LW#1 sees her more as a Friend With Benefits who happens to be sloppy with birth control? Off and On for 16 years doesnt sound like the marriage track to me.
    • Klingon_Psychiatrist  •  3 days ago
      Dear Ex: Your ex-husband is being a monumental jerk and your 16 year old daughter knows it. Sit down with your daughter and ask if she wishes to attend dad's marriage. Don't be surprised if she doesn't but be supportive either way.
    • Redhead  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  3 days ago
      LW#2 Is this one person who keeps giving you fur/leather? (Like Grandma?) If that's the case, try to return the gift and get something else. If it's other people buying you leather/fur - introduce them to me. My friends never spend that much on me!
    • Angie  •  3 days ago
      L#3 Did I read that right......Dad wants ex wife to buy their daughter a dress for his wedding?

      Because if so....What a jerk! is all I could think to say.....
    • Janet  •  Burlington, North Carolina  •  3 days ago
      Can the daughter wear a dress she already has?
    • Mathilda  •  2 days 16 hrs ago
      If he hasn't proposed in 16 years, he's Not Going To.
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