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Wingfield is standing by in sentences go ... make soaring and see Apple may want anyone covet ... so ... are in the stories they stay for about a battle with Microsoft that occurred couple years ago um related to the latest version of the browser Internet Explorer eight ... what happened was Microsoft's ... browser team ... decided to do a series of features that will really enhance the online privacy of consumers ... by allowing consumers to walk common forms of online tracking ... what happened though is that pressures from within my results own Internet advertising group is Molex as external internet now doesn't groups ... when the company into a series of compromises they really on NetEase teaches law successful people and on and and less commonly used by people in so ... it is really isn't the first eight years the awful lot of companies in the business of allowing you to get online to buy new software in online experience ... also at the Internet advertising businesses ... and UPS to ... represent an inherent conflict ... it's not just the money owed appetizing it's it's also that the Microsoft likes to get the support the cow collaboration of appetizers to explain that ... so does his company ... that it's very sensitive to how their technology products went on to um a variety of external ... on company's partners and ... said they were concerned about the number of loans they didn't want to have a negative impact on ... Internet advertising probably ... notice that in some ways to ... impact negatively they're their biggest competitor in units the switches dual unstopped and cause problems for them ... also they wanted the support of these external industry dinner in the advertising industry groups ... that would help of rally would win would help from my soften its opposition to various more deals ... that were being scrutinized by regular several ... different things to consider ... Joe is itching to get an ... eye having an intimate evening at why this rally at Alice Chan of attention and accepting the software side of the business and advertising said the business ... which a lead time building had acted in the past few years so ... I wanted to see if the ballot are so many other Valeant Adam Yusen they made this new feature less accessible ... it seems to me that you could use the word cripple ... would that be crippled for this feature because you actually know ... the one used a safe browsing the gap to turn it on every time you turn on your browser and then it's easy to turn off the browser ... it forgets that you have that ... is out there and ... your description of what they did ... yes it's possible to use ... these these capabilities that they've really been scaled back they'd been ... made for the use of the G shut down every time ... you turn off your browsers so ... in reality very few people use them according to most privacy experts and talk to ... and yet I do think that that you know they're ... there they do have a conflict internally and ... on that but it's also that they are set for a very sensitive to how their ... technologies and ... the broader ... of consistent Aventisis out there that I stay in their offence that their pointed us ... to keep her utility to sell targeted advertising online based on this the euro the ... dollar ... that also impacted Siemens is ... in ... the minds of human enjoys much free cotton on ... so ... I miss a annexed by the giant win in the market for browses Beware de chrome Firefox ... Safari and Nina and today how this feature did they consider this kind feature that could cripple arrived the privacy features two ... I don't know when it is possible that there is another big bases in those companies I think ... we're in a situation where the company is far more dependent on an advertising medium companies out there ... so I ... think the pace didn't happen there that might be a sign that there really is the conflict in the advertising interests in one day before it's gotten use to the browser market getting into the operating system market so ... they really mean in the opposite direction from ... my croissant I will say Apple is regarded as having one more presses privacy capabilities ... and a turn off all third party cookies By opened Safari browser ... and I cannot stop lights not only the Mac and Windows versions but also the on coming ... it's like putting out Apple doesn't have an advertising business ... so that's ... probably what our Lincoln and the anti dam on possessed so when I asked will you ... haven't used it as an inherent conflict that in the business model here between what the consumers want which seems to me some level of privacy ... what the advertisers want which is less must currency so they can target the ads so we didn't really have ... the absolutely seems to be in it at Bay tension in these companies a lot of stress off for companies built around offering free services consumers and their selling point was how good a service announced an ... increase in when it bought into that business in that business leaders events different intentions and wants to follow Consumers around everywhere they're going and see what they're doing ... and what this battle perceptions of the bed as bad ... as the company's main asset the the technology is made the step to maintain sustainable Jessica Linhas is complete I will like this I mean there's no evidence that consumers are just ten and stop YMI stop shopping outlines the present was I so that the anime ... yet the full mix of the collapse of the things the Daily will highlight ... select a zealot ... now and it's hard to see how it plays out I do think consumers are to become more aware that you hear the messaging ... from that big companies now shifting towards what consumers want personalized that well maybe deal enabling consumers to want that adds but you know what that consumers are just beginning to ... figure out what that redoubts actually are just too early even in the process to predict what sets The until yet next job I think one one point here is that the these conflicts are going to go away but it's possible that regulators will ... get more involved in this business is our niece maintenance going on in Internet regard ... and so companies may have to respond in some way to Fyrwald these these conflicting ... interests in one way to do is to give consumers more control over what information they share online browsers the natural place to do that ... so you know that in relation ... to the consumer ... privacy experts believe and make these controls transparent people some will decide the roots of law ... next on the bid does ... not seem to care about you going to want some say on selected J Crowe something anonymous Robin morning walk out ... and somebody follows you around every or off the delicate land written stop ... on as the sun on this island and weigh that against ... so from the expectation of the Web is for a ... well ... I don't think there's a lot of consumer awareness that I haven't tried you just ride is is going on and so they don't make the connection between the to the extent they are wherever they don't ... often make the connection between that ... and the fact that they enjoy free content out there ... there are some discussions among ... various online publishing groups ... of trying to make people more aware of the facts that conch targeted advertising has played a role in supporting the street content that they enjoy ... right now it's just ... you know ... people don't know about it and on ... and so it's hard to say ... how they would feel if they became more aware of the sky was going on and for the series what they know people are becoming much more aware of and even the Machado Mr. he wrote ... a story that was released on Friday afternoon ... about some ... tracking of what you've been on the Web ... the so-called Obama because I was that that the meat historically the Ituran all of this it's Bussmann it's terrifying to ... also this will be what time it at exactly how much of this checking is going on because it's not a surprise that you know at least part of cookies that I know that there's an cookies on ever seen ... Thompson a little more than others but no one's ever check this out of box I like what how much is this happening and where the data going with them and ... so we will look to top fifty U S websites and so on and so what are tracking technology installed on a test computer ... it found more than three thousand files were installed visiting this fifty sites ... two-thirds of them were from outside companies not the company they ... went to visit to you with a dictionary dot com ... only eleven tracking files or just to remember what you look data dictionary together ... two hundred and ... some ... are from other companies for tracking your limits around the Web ... this isn't just cookies orchestra music while the deadlock the nineties ... this is all things like I well so that cookie is gives you an ID number right and there's other ways they can add to profile the ID number ... that they haven't database about you ... the one we found was most interesting listening calm he can ... software program that runs while you're on a webpage you can see where masses many consumers are tightening and ... depend on what the publisher allows that he can to see it ... and so you know in a worst-case America see everything most of us are that they are probably not allowing that ... but Autem we were surprised at the interests of finance this type of monetary unit and a man as is the result I was too terrified when you fall into one of the sale of Philip ... completely exposed willing to break will be difficult I say one thing a ... year starting the database has also uncovered AgBank is ... sometimes publishers don't know ... what's on their sites in what's happening in MAV had a relationship that one attacker could have ... fallen so ... so so when the time for the playroom with just a vessel or kill it and which country was in a cornfield that's it That's digits for now although back to full within use of the great