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  • [-]I can't believe how clueless I am about playdates, so gotta ask. What's the etiquette on moms inviting dads (and their child of course) for a playdate? I wouldn't feel comfortable if my husband takes our son for a "mommy(daddy) and me" playdate

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    10.01.11, 12:05 PM Flag ]
    • just don't serve wine. Or beer. Or smoke weed or do coke with him and it should be fine.

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      10.01.11, 12:07 PM Flag
      • np: I want wine at a playdate. im serious too.

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        10.01.11, 12:08 PM Flag
        • DH here. I want sex at a playdate. I'm even more serious.

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          10.01.11, 12:11 PM Flag
          • if you want sex at a playdate, you gotta at least bring your wife along, lol

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            10.01.11, 12:20 PM Flag
            • OR. That totally defeats the purpose.

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              10.01.11, 12:22 PM Flag
        • No wine at mommy/daddy platdates. Just ask the mom whose dh had a affair with a playdate mom. They drank wine and ended up screwing while their kids played.

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          10.01.11, 12:11 PM Flag
          • Now THAT'S a playdate.

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            10.01.11, 12:13 PM Flag
          • no way is my dh going... I can't tell her what not to serve, but I hear it's pretty common to serve wine!

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            10.01.11, 12:15 PM Flag
            • yeah, i'm not serving my dh up.

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              10.01.11, 12:41 PM Flag
        • np-Me too! Fellow "winos" are top of my playdate list... Wish their were wine bars in playgrounds.

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          10.01.11, 12:12 PM Flag
      • lmao. It's my DH who was invited by another mommy. Don't wanna sound pathetic telling him not to go

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        10.01.11, 12:18 PM Flag
      • my dh loves all of the above and would not refuse if its offered. and God knows what else will be offered

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        10.01.11, 01:26 PM Flag
    • continued: Today my husband took our 4-year-old son to the playground and it looks like he had fun socializing with one of the moms while our sons played ball. She then asked him for a phone number to invite out son for a play date. I don't really want my husband sipping tea/wine with other moms, while the kids play. It would be really silly for my husband to say "we'll come only if it's a drop off date". Also, if she invited our son with my husband, is it ok if I show up? (I have a feeling she just wanted to socialize with him some more, lol)

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      10.01.11, 12:13 PM Flag
      • You should go along, no question about it.

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        10.01.11, 12:14 PM Flag
        • both of us? How do you know if you need to stay or leave? Coz I don't mind if DH just drops him off. I do mind however, if he stays

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          10.01.11, 12:17 PM Flag
          • If you're worried, go along. Or don't. I don't really care one way or the other.

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            10.01.11, 12:19 PM Flag
      • do you not trust your husband? this sounds ridic to me.

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        10.01.11, 12:17 PM Flag
        • I do trust my husband, but don't want him sipping wine for like 2-3 hours with various mommies

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          10.01.11, 12:24 PM Flag
          • since when is wine a playdate standard? is he allowed to have coffee?

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            10.01.11, 01:56 PM Flag
            • is he allowed? I'm not his mommy and he is allowed to do whatever he wants, even if it makes me uncomfortable. I will just speak my mind, that's all.

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              10.03.11, 02:11 PM Flag
          • meh

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            10.01.11, 03:35 PM Flag
      • It's also for your dh to give the number while saying "give my wife a call to set something up." Or if she calls and asks for him he can also say it then. Problem solved. Now if he doesn't say this...

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        10.01.11, 12:18 PM Flag
        • Thank you, that's what I usually do. If the invite is coming from a dad, I give my husband's number. I was just wondering how everyone else goes about it. If you are a mom do you invite other dads?

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          10.01.11, 12:26 PM Flag
      • Definitely go. Your dh should understand that this would make you uncomfortable.

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        10.01.11, 07:09 PM Flag
    • I trust my DH and wouldn't care if he went to a playdate. I know my DH though and he's about as anti-social as I am. There's no way HE would be comfortable with it. He would make me take DS or no play date.

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      10.01.11, 12:31 PM Flag
      • My dh is the same way. It's comforting, in a way.

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        10.01.11, 12:36 PM Flag
      • Likewise.

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        10.01.11, 12:52 PM Flag
      • same here. A woman asked my DH for a playdate once at the park and he gave her my cell #. He doesn't want to go on playdates.

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        10.01.11, 01:59 PM Flag
      • Same here...

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        10.01.11, 04:34 PM Flag
    • I've been to plenty of one-on-one playdates monitored by one dad and one mom. Never once has wine been served. Never had anything head towards sex in any way. Maybe that just means I'm not hot? But, let's just hope that this isn't something any of us really need to worry about? There's plenty of opportunity to cheat if that's what someone wants to do, so either we trust our spouse or we don't.

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      10.01.11, 12:32 PM Flag
      • I made a playdate with a dad I met on the train and that one was in a museum. No wine! Other times with good friends, I think every permutation of mom/dad/wine has happened and no flirting of any sort. There is one mom who flirts with my dh, so he won't go on a playdate with just her and kids. That was his call, not mine.

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        10.01.11, 02:55 PM Flag
    • Why wouldn't you feel comfortable? Don't worry about it. Doesn't your husband have any female friends? They're not going out for a romantic lunch; they're just hanging out with the kids.

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      10.01.11, 12:37 PM Flag
      • I don't want my dh 'hanging out' at a playdate. He really should keep it in his pants.

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        10.01.11, 12:50 PM Flag
      • He does have female friends, but he doesn't really hand out with them every week+. A playdate is at least 2 hours and at this age kids don't really need parents to be on top of them, so mommy+daddy pretty much have to find topics for conversation, get to know each other better, and so forth. I'm not at all the insecure or jealous type, but some moms are really hot, and some dress a bit inappropriate. I didn't tell my DH not to go, just sharing my thoughts.

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        10.01.11, 12:57 PM Flag
        • And some get to know others through oral sex??

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          10.01.11, 01:00 PM Flag
        • sounds like the jealous insecure type to me. You don't trust your DH not be able to keep himself in check around an attractive woman? He probably sees lots of them at other times, times when there aren't little kids hanging around (which also serve as constant reminders that the other mom is presumably married). I think the topic of conversation for most playdates is the kids.

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          10.01.11, 01:35 PM Flag
    • The insecurity of some mothers is astounding. Chances are, the other mom is married and doesn't really care about your DH much. Do you think the boys got along? If so, they should go on a play date-

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      10.01.11, 12:51 PM Flag
      • There are plenty of married moms who would love nothing more but to spend time with a hot dad, lol

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        10.01.11, 01:01 PM Flag
        • are we sure OP's husband is hot?

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          10.01.11, 02:04 PM Flag
    • This post has made me want to masturbate. I met a hot dad at the playground last week and now he's going to come over for a playdate and some wine...in my head. Be back soon.

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      10.01.11, 12:59 PM Flag
      • Race you!

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        10.01.11, 01:04 PM Flag
        • I better go and just find some hot dads of my own to play with. I mean to play date with :D

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          10.01.11, 01:07 PM Flag
        • or: Ah...that was satisfying.

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          10.01.11, 01:11 PM Flag
      • i just hope it's not my DS's hot dad :)

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        10.01.11, 01:06 PM Flag
    • I could care less. If DH got invited to a playdate with DS I would force him to go.

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      10.01.11, 01:28 PM Flag
    • If you're too worried about your DH cheating to let him go on a playdate, you have bigger problems.

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      10.01.11, 03:32 PM Flag
    • Wine on daytime playdates?

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      10.01.11, 04:08 PM Flag
    • We're close with our neighbors and I wouldn't even blink at any permutation of mom/dad and kids - we all hang out together a lot and we have lots of informal playdates - where the kids just run to each other and then start playing and go where they go - inside or outside. It would be weird to "restrict" my DH (or myself) from that in any way, since it's mostly the kids deciding what they want to do when they see each other. So whatever parent is taking care of the kids hangs out with whatever other parent. A new friend feels different, though.

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      10.01.11, 04:39 PM Flag
    • I do playdates with a dad I know--he has more time on the weekends than his dw does. It's no big deal.

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      10.01.11, 05:18 PM Flag
    • There's no reason to not feel comfortable with it. Really, this is pointless insecurity and paranoia.

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      10.01.11, 06:54 PM Flag
    • wow, please tell me you folks are kidding. I thought the girls can only be friends with girls, boys with boys thing stopped in junior high.

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      10.03.11, 03:23 PM Flag
  • [-]At what age is it OK for kids to use irony?

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    09.28.11, 05:55 PM Flag ]
    • 3

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      09.28.11, 06:02 PM Flag
      • as long as he doesn't use it here at UB. Teach your kid never to use irony in front of the irony impaired.

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        09.28.11, 06:15 PM Flag
        • Excellent point RE the audience. But its hard to tell who's irony impaired. Maybe people could wear med-alert-type bracelets. We'd have to reframe their affliction in a positive way. Call them 'literalists.'

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          09.28.11, 06:35 PM Flag
    • When they're tall enough to reach the irony board

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      09.28.11, 06:31 PM Flag
  • [-]My 7-yr-old DD is very shy. She just started 2nd grade, but she has not been able to make friends in her new class, and seems to be spending time alone at recess. At lunch time, all the girls sit at the same table except her, because only 12 kids can sit at one table, and there are 13 girls. DD is shoved to the boys' table and eats alone. How can I help her? What would you do as a parent?

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    09.26.11, 06:08 AM Flag ]
    • playdates

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      09.26.11, 06:12 AM Flag
      • We don't have a class list yet but I'll definitely try to arrange some playdates when I get the other parents' phone/e-mail.

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        09.26.11, 06:29 AM Flag
        • if you work, see if you can do dropoff and meet some other moms. find out who your dd thinks is nice and get some phone numbers and some after school activities. teacher needs to fix chair problem

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          09.26.11, 06:40 AM Flag
          • OP: Thanks, I'll try that!

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            09.26.11, 06:44 AM Flag
        • Doesn't the school give you a class list? (honest question)

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          09.26.11, 09:04 AM Flag
          • OP: They are putting it together now. Every year, they distribute the class list at the end of September.

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            09.26.11, 09:25 AM Flag
    • Poor kid. Ask if the teacher has any suggestions? And, like pp, maybe she can invite one or two over for a playdate.

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      09.26.11, 06:14 AM Flag
      • Are there boys at the boys table? Can't she make friends with them too.

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        09.26.11, 06:20 AM Flag
        • I think at this age, boys and girls live in totally different worlds. Especially because DD is so gentle & shy, she generally doesn't like playing with boys and vice-versa.

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          09.26.11, 06:27 AM Flag
    • Definitely talk to the teacher. Ask if they can split the girls up for lunch -- 6 at one table, 7 at another. By 2nd grade, much of the friendships and play are single-sex, so it is much harder for her to be at the boys table than it was a couple of years ago. Ask the teacher if there are any girls who would be good matches for a playdate. Your daughter may identify the most popular girls to have over, but there may be other girls who are struggling and would benefit from a friendship as well.

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      09.26.11, 06:21 AM Flag
      • Thank you, I did talk to the teacher last Friday, but there's little she can do, as she is not overseeing the kids during lunch. She did say that she would talk to the lunchroom supervisor, but according to my DD, the lunchroom supervisor is too busy and unconcerned. I will talk to the teacher again if nothing changes.

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        09.26.11, 06:26 AM Flag
        • I'm sorry you (and she) are going through this. It is so hard. There are certainly ways the teacher can address this problem, even while not supervising (assign groups and have them interview each other over lunch, for example). Did you get the sense that she'd be open to something like that? Also, are there ways you can keep her feeling good outside of class -- other activities she enjoys, friends from outside of school she can play with, etc -- so she doesn't let the troubles at school invade her whole life?

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          09.26.11, 06:46 AM Flag
          • OP: Thank you for your kind words. I may be more upset than my DD! lol She does have friends outside school, and she had a very close friend in 1st grade, who unfortunately ad to moved away. Obviously, we are trying to make her feel safe and happy as much as possible at home.

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            09.26.11, 06:54 AM Flag
            • I'm sorry -- I didn't mean to imply you weren't caring for your daughter. Obviously, you are so checked in to what she is experiencing. I hope I didn't offend you by suggesting obvious ideas. My heart is just breaking thinking about her at lunch (triggered, I'm sure, by my own memories of school as well as my own daughter's struggles in school right now).

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              09.26.11, 06:59 AM Flag
              • OP: Oh, not at all!! I was touched and very grateful for your kind post. I hope whatever issue your daughter is facing at school gets resolved soon too. I think that having just one good friend can resolve most problems. While that is simple for most kids, it's not easy for my dd who finds it 'scary' to talk to kids she is not already friends with.

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                09.26.11, 07:06 AM Flag
    • Christ, I would talk to the school about the lunch room thing. It seems the numbers are designed for this sort of thing. Definitely support her by scheduling play dates and signing her up for a couple of after school activities that some classmates are in.

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      09.26.11, 06:22 AM Flag
      • NP I normally think that kids should figure it out on their own but this "one seat short" thing is pretty crazy! I agree that the school should come up with a better solution, whether that is assigned lunch seats or dragging an extra chair up to the table. Crazy!

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        09.26.11, 06:26 AM Flag
        • I agree. Make it four seats short or something... musical chairs every lunchtime would have been miserable and terrifying for me as a kid... and it puts a lot of pressure on ALL the girls to make sure someone is reliably shut out so they don't have to worry about it...

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          09.26.11, 06:31 AM Flag
          • OP: Thank you, I will talk to the teacher again if seating arrangements don't change. It seems that even when DD is sitting at the girls' table first, other girls ask her to move because they want to sit with their friends. It both infuriates and upsets me. Telling her that she doesn't have to move, but it must be hard for her when no one has her back.

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            09.26.11, 06:35 AM Flag
            • NP: This makes me so mad. Someone should be teaching those girls empathy.

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              09.26.11, 06:52 AM Flag
              • OP: If it continues, I might ask the teacher to address this issue in the classroom. Kids can be so cruel without even realizing it.

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                09.26.11, 07:09 AM Flag
            • That is NOT acceptable. Whatever adult is in charge of supervising the lunchroom should not be allowing that to happen.

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              09.26.11, 09:01 AM Flag
    • As a shy person with a shy child, this breaks my heart! You absolutely need to go to the guidance counselor or assistant principal or whomever handles behavior issues at yournschool. Dd isn't a squeaky wheel, so she gets no oil. That's the way it works. You need to make thus an issue. 7 is too young for them to expect a child to navigate this social issue. Raise hell!

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      09.26.11, 07:10 AM Flag
      • If dd was making a big fuss and misbehaving at lunch, you bet the school would be involved. Dd needs to form relationships and the school needs to facilitate. If she was misbehaving, the school would facilitate good behavior.

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        09.26.11, 07:13 AM Flag
      • OP: You are right! Will be more vocal about it if nothing changes.

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        09.26.11, 07:15 AM Flag
    • It's ridiculous that they set up the tables this way. Can't they do anything about that? Drag a folding chair over at the head?

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      09.26.11, 07:11 AM Flag
    • I feel sad about this! My dd (12) would definitely have been the type to "have her back". She told me how she made sure to include the new girl in her class at the lunch table and even gave her a small token b'day gift when she learned it was her b'day this week (she was too new for others to have known). Two things: 1) talk to your dd about how she can make friends--role play conversations. Ask her what the other girls talk about. Some times an object of interest will get others to come to her to ask to see it--definitely keep open the conversation with her teacher. Has she always been like this? There is something called "selectively mute" where kids do not talk during school. Others eventually stop trying to include them. There...

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      09.26.11, 07:11 AM Flag
      • OP: I wish there was someone like your dd in her class! She has always been shy, but once she becomes 'friends' with someone, she is not shy at all. She can be very animated and funny when she is comfortable with the other child.

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        09.26.11, 07:19 AM Flag
    • She has no friends she made from first grade in her current class?

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      09.26.11, 07:15 AM Flag
      • Her best friend from 1st grade moved away .. all the way to CA. She had no other 'close' friends although I'm sure she was well-liked in 1st & K because she is just nice to everybody.

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        09.26.11, 07:16 AM Flag
    • Who supervises recess? Guidance counselor needs to get out there and observe what's going on. But if you don't call her, nothing will happen.

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      09.26.11, 07:15 AM Flag
      • OP: I have no idea who supervises recess - it's not the teachers for sure. The bigger problem is the lunchroom seating though. At lunch, she is being intentionally excluded.

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        09.26.11, 07:24 AM Flag
    • let it be

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      09.26.11, 07:26 AM Flag
      • You have no clue. Maybe she doesn't need to make a big show of it in front of dd, but the issues need to be addressed. Dd needs to have the opportunity to be successful in a social atmosphere.

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        09.26.11, 08:58 AM Flag
      • agree. it's a cruel world - she may as well learn now that no one is going to have her back when she grows up.

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        09.26.11, 09:05 AM Flag
        • Op- please don't listen to these people. If your child was a bully people wouldn't advise you not to intervene b/c eventually your child would get hers. Your child may not need to know you ares advocating on her behalf, but trust me, your child needs to experience social success at school. She doesn't need to be the most popular, but she needs tools to make friends. Tustin me, btdt, 40 yrs old and still working on my social anxiety issues. . . .

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          09.26.11, 09:15 AM Flag
          • Really? Bullies seldom get theirs; they just grow up, make friends with other bullies, and pass on their behavior to their DDs. I guarantee that behind every mean girl at that table, there's a mean mom at home.

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            09.26.11, 09:23 AM Flag
          • OP here - I appreciate all of your opinions, but I am not going to 'let it be'. I very much doubt any parent would 'let it be' if this had happened to their own child. I believe that kids as young as her need support.

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            09.26.11, 09:25 AM Flag
            • your dd sounds exactly like mine. she said she was alone a few times at lunch (at recess her friends from 1st grade are there). I havent said anything yet bc she seems to be making some strides, saying she has eaten with a certain girl. GL to you

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              09.26.11, 09:34 AM Flag
    • That school sounds like a bad fit. Are you in a position to change?

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      09.26.11, 10:43 AM Flag
    • have you talked to the parent coordinator? s/he might be able to help. Your daughter is lucky to have an involved mom who pays attention to these things rather than "letting her work it out." I wish her the very best--ideally in the form of a nice 7 year old girl to be her friend.

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      09.27.11, 06:24 PM Flag
  • [-]Bday present for 4yo girl? Daughter of good friend, so would like to spend around $35. I think the girl likes princess stuff and other traditionally girly things. Any mom's of girls with good ideas? (I have a 3yo boy who only loves trains, planes, and buses, so I'm at a loss). Thanks!

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    • 4YOs love dress-up and pretend play -puppets, calico critters, playmobil...

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      09.22.11, 01:11 PM Flag
    • I think craft supplies are nice too - maybe beads for making necklaces. They also usually love dolls and accessories - Corolle has nice stuff.

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      09.22.11, 01:30 PM Flag
      • I think 4 is a little young for beading, they require a lot of help and lose interest pretty quickly. I like the craft kits like Melissa and Doug - decorate a jewellry box, mirror etc.

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        09.22.11, 01:38 PM Flag
    • OP: Thanx for the advice. I think I'll go with two or three different Disney princess dolls from the Disney store. I just emailed her mom to find out her favorite princess characters. I hate to enable the whole princess thing, but when in Rome...:)

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      09.22.11, 02:28 PM Flag
    • are you in NYC? Just went to american girl cafe with DD recently and it was very cute. $20 pp for breakfast and you don't even need to bring your own doll - they have a bunch there to borrow. AG is not my thing (too $$$) but DD (5) enjoyed the trip.

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      09.22.11, 02:44 PM Flag
      • Not the OP but this sounds fun! Is it crowded on weekends?

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        09.22.11, 02:51 PM Flag
        • Last weekend was pretty open although we had a reservation. Cute little high chair thing and tea set for the doll and two course meal with coffee/tea for us. Not bad considering the prices in the rest of the store. And DD's better priced "Dollie and Me" doll stuff fits her AG doll. As a side note, the 18" Madame Alexander dolls which retail for $30-$40 look pretty close to the $100 AG doll if you are on a budget.

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          09.22.11, 03:07 PM Flag
      • I'm in NYC, but friend lives in New Jersey. I don't think they come into the city often enough-- otherwise i love the idea. thanks anyway!

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        09.22.11, 02:53 PM Flag
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