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[+] Told I may need a scheduled c-section if they think baby is going to be bigger than 9... 58 replies
- unless this would be a VBAC and you carry big babies, I wouldn't schedule surgery unless medically necessary...
Talk : : April 02, 2012
Told I may need a scheduled c-section if they think baby is going to be bigger than 9lbs. When is this typically done, what week is the earliest?
58 replies [ Reply | Watch | More04.02.12, 06:51 AM Flag ]-
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np: my sis is an OB and she tells my friends to always ask Qs when the Dr says you need something. You don't want a Dr to schedule you for surgery just because they want to deliver you when it's convenient for them (like they're leaving on vacation). There should always be a reason for surgery
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:01 AM Flagbut large babies can safely be born vaginally. And the estimates are never right. You'll get surgery because of a guess when you are perfectly capable of birthing your baby?
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:03 AM Flag
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All 3 of my DC were 9lbs+. Different OBs for each. No one ever even suggested a scheduled c-section.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 06:57 AM Flagwhat is the medical reason besides a big baby that they want to section you? I was told my baby would be over 9lbs and she was 7lbs 13oz. The ultrasounds are notoriously wrong when it comes to weight estimates. It was wrong for all 3 of my dcs
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 06:57 AM Flagother than being a small person, there isn't any medical reason.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:00 AM FlagDoesn't this depend in part on what type of ultrasound you're having done (e.g., whether on one of the high res machines, how skilled of a tech, etc)? I had very close monitoring of placental function by ultrasound - daily at the end. Their estimate was 1/2 ounce off from DB's birthweight and my OB said they were always within an ounce when using the higher resolution machines.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:07 AM Flag
i am surprised they would recommend this before you even going into labor (unless this was your second and your first was c-section). my db was over nine lbs and i am tiny. i ended up having a csection but no discussion of this until it was obvious baby wasn't coming out any other way
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:00 AM FlagI had 2 vaginal births and then a c-section. Doc said db would be over 10lbs and he was-- 10'7. Very happy I didn't push him out (had horrible tearing w/ my 8lb db)....everyone knocks c-sections but I loved mine. Much easier recovery than vaginal. Wish all mine had been c-sections. Had mine at 39 weeks
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:08 AM FlagI would find a new doctor. My sister had a 10lb. baby vaginally and lots of other women do too. Plus, it sounds like you have a "proven pelvis" -- meaning you've given birth before and your body knows what to do. Very shady to not even attempt a trial of labor.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:09 AM FlagThanks everyone, I now have lots of questions for my dr, I thought this was odd too.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:22 AM Flagremember, at this point they can't force you into anything without explaning everything and giving good reasons as to why they need to do surgery.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:28 AM FlagI'm small and have had two 9+ lb babies naturally and it was okay, BUT, there have been long lasting repercussions that had I known about I would have opted for the c-section. TMI stuff that is just unpleasant. I would advise you to think long and hard about what you want to live with.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 07:50 AM FlagOh come on! Just start your reply with TMI and tell us the negative stuff.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 09:39 AM FlagIf you're a mom, you know what she means. Crazy hemorrhoids and leaking.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 09:58 AM FlagI am a mom of 4 and I've never had hemorrhoids or leaking. The post made me think it was something serious. Aren't hemorrhoids treatable and kegels help with leaking?
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 10:15 AM FlagShort answer... no. The treatment for hemorrhoids is surgery and it's extremely painful and has a high rate of failure/ recurrence. And no, Kegels are not a cure all for incontinence brought on by child birth. If you have real trauma in the area you may require surgery to correct the problem. Just because you didn't have any issues with your four kids doesn't mean OR isn't talking about real risks that exist. Having a big baby doesn't always work out well.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 10:42 AM Flag
ITA! The one thing none of the women on here is talking about is the much higher rate of shoulder dystocia that occurs in big babies. I would not risk my child possibly having permanent arm paralysis just to avoid a c-section. Shoulder dystocia doesn't become apparent until the baby's head is out, so you can't opt for a c-section once it occurs. Personally, I'd trust my OB. If you trust your doctor to deliver this child, you should trust his or her advice. I think it's great to ask questions, but I would not let these paranoid women get in your head.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 10:47 AM FlagA good ob or midwife can help a ,other deliver a big baby without complications. If a doctor is not willing to try it just means that he doesn't know what he's doing.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 12:05 PM FlagI think if someone who has an MD assesses the risk and thinks that the risk of c-section is less problematic than the risk of my child being permanently injured, I would go with my OB's opinion. The fact is that shoulder dystocia happens, and while having a very experienced OB probably does help if it is encountered, I wouldn't risk my child's ability to move their arm on it. Personally, as a mother I wouldn't forgive myself if I put the low risk to me of a planned c-section over the potential risk to my baby. Sorry, but if someone has to take one for the team, as the mother, I think it should be me - not my baby.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 12:14 PM FlagThis is completely wrong, sometimes with shoulder dystocia there is nothing that works, even if the skill is there (which it increasing is not today because c-section is an option).
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 02:56 PM FlagP.S. If I were OP I would consider family history. My mom had a large family, all vaginally, and many of the babies were over 9 lbs. So I was not that worried about this. Over 10 lbs I would do CS no doubt. If all the babies in my family were 6-7 lbs, I might well take the advice and go for CS. It does seem tough to have surgery and a NB, I think it would suck, but lots of people manage it.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 02:58 PM Flag
I had a high risk pregnancy with dc and went to a high risk practice. I went 8 days past my due date and my dc was over 9 lbs at birth (vaginally). A c-section was never once suggested to me. All of my vitals etc were fine and my dc was never in distress... no reason for c-section.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 10:40 AM Flagdone at 39 weeks and, from a person who has had 2 c-sections, i will tell you not to sweat it. i have found them to be a breeze. try to get up and walk as soon after the c-section as you can (usually, the following morning) and don't get behind on your pain mediciation and you'll probably feel as though you're in a better place than most of the moms who have vaginal births.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 03:02 PM Flag^ also, what's up with people saying the dr. advice is baloney? maybe OP has had previous deliveries that were difficult due to the shape of things and that would not lend itself to the delivery of a big baby, maybe the dr. just sees this in an exam, maybe the doctor is combining this fact with some other fact that is leacing him/her to suggest c-section, etc. People around here love to assume that vaginal is better than c-section, but I will tell you that I don't for a second envy anyone who has to go through labor. Man were my c-sections easy. Having my wisdom teeth out was a way worse experience than the c-sections. No joke.
[ Reply | More ]04.02.12, 03:04 PM FlagHave you had a vaginal birth? You say that C-sections are a breeze then you say that you could only walk the day after and that you had to take pain medication. I had a vaginal birth, I was walking and eating 30 minutes later and I didn't have to take so much as a Tylenol. I'm not saying C-sections are bad, but they're surgery - you can understand why so many posters think that surgery should be avoided if unnecessary.
[ Reply | More ]04.03.12, 06:15 AM Flag
[+] Poll = SAT score, where'd you go to college? 97 replies
- that is, she had her first via caesarean then had her second vbac at home with just her husband to help out with no running water. she also gleefully told me that she and her "hubby"...
- 2 weeks after VBAC?...
Talk : : March 30, 2012
Poll = SAT score, where'd you go to college?
97 replies [ Reply | Watch | More03.30.12, 10:49 AM Flag ]I got an abysmally low SAT score and went to a local college.
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oh, you're just asking for lies aren't you? 1420 -- Penn. go, quakers!
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 10:52 AM Flag-
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1540 (friend) -- university of houston drop out. this is serious. she also dropped out of my HS and got GED. couldn't find her way around geometry but man, she can score on the SAT.
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she got her GED then went to UH. she's a riot in many ways but a good soul. would rather live with racists than bankers. is living off the grid in alaska, no running water, electricity (but great generator). also had her second after a caesarean at home with just her "hubby" in the winter with no obvious way to get to the hospital if something happened. but all is right. she's great. i love her. and i am not white either.
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[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 11:46 AM FlagI'm from a highly competitive NYC metro area suburban H.S. At least three people in my class of 240 had a perfect score on at least one section of the SAT. We had eight Westinghouse semi-finalists and a similar number of National Merit Scholar finalists. I'm non-athletic, non-legacy. Brandeis was my safety, but at least they gave me a scholarship. And, frankly, I loved it there and got a good education.
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 06:09 PM Flag
DH only scored a 1210 (although Valedictorian) and got into Princeton (white male), but he has an interesting background, so maybe that's what tipped the scales for him.
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 11:19 AM FlagMeaningless poll without knowing whether it was the "old" or the "new" SAT scoring.
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 11:20 AM Flagdidn't the new SAT scoring just start a year or two ago? Because I don't think many 20 y/o are on ub
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 11:30 AM Flagno. The SAT was re-centered in 1995. This means that basically any score above a 1480 pre-1995 would be equal to a 1600 after 1995. In 2005, the SAT changed again to add the writing component. But the scaled up scores remain. OR is correct that the new and old scores are dramatically different (70-100 points).
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 04:25 PM Flag
And with that information it would be a very meaningful poll. Lol!
[ Reply | More ]03.30.12, 12:52 PM Flag
They added 100 points to everyone's scores sometimes in the mid-1990's and also made the test easier. I got a pre-inflationary 1400 (in 1991).
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^^^Holy CRAP, I can't believe I have one of the lowest scores here! I was amongst the 1600 scoring system, by the way. Am I still the lowest? Hmmm...I was also a great beer pong player and generally thought of as a 'good time'. And now I'm going to go eat mac n cheese and leftover Ritz crackers for dinner. Don't be jealous, UB!
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[+] I guess this is old news but it's new to me - the increase in allergies and asthma co... 13 replies
- I have 4 kids. 3 were csections. The one vbac is the only one with asthma. Next!...
Talk : : March 24, 2012
I guess this is old news but it's new to me - the increase in allergies and asthma could be linked to the increase in C-sections, because C-section babies aren't exposed to vaginal bacteria. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/25/science/la-sci-babies-bacteria-20100626
13 replies [ Reply | Watch | More03.24.12, 01:04 PM Flag ]hahahahaha, that just sounds so bizarre. I get that exposure to vaginal bacteria is a good thing, but LOL.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 01:05 PM FlagOh for god sake, don't get scientific evidence for LA Times
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 02:10 PM FlagDid you read the article? It links you to the study (National Academy of Sciences).
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 02:14 PM FlagIt's bullshit. The whole hullabaloo is about 10 woman's and their newborns that we're tested in puerto Rico and Venezuela for bacteria. Yes they found the 5 nb with normal birth had more bacteria. Now extrapolating from 10 to all population is an stretch but extrapolating to the whole astma and allergies is almost immoral. It's just a tiny theorie to think about this pilot data. Wait and see, studies like this come down in a two years period.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 02:23 PM FlagAccording to the article, there are previous studies that have already "suggested that babies delivered by caesarean section lacked the benefit of protective vaginal bacteria, making them more susceptible to certain pathogens, allergies and asthma" ... but there's no link to those studies.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 02:28 PM FlagWhen a scientist publish sults of a paper, there is always a final paragraph telling people where this can eventually and potentially lead. It's is an speculatory part of every scientific paper that it's usually describe as facts by the media.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 02:46 PM FlagOf course, but science is by nature a discipline that builds its "truths" based on consensus, is it not? Depending on how many previous studies have suggested that there's a connection, there may be a consensus. I'm not saying there is, I have no idea. I'd be curious to hear about them if you/someone else knows of them.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 02:54 PM Flag
Complete BS. It really saddens me that people buy this crap. I guess critical thinking has gone out the window...
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[+] PSA about Dr. Meimaris obgyn. 10 replies
- and was very sensitive when dealing with a tough situation (I wound up with a C-sec after trying for unmedicated birth). She came to talk to me after while I was in the recovery room and said not to worry, that I could try for a VBAC next time and that it had to be done (which she was right about)...
Talk : : March 24, 2012
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I wanted to post so that people have up to date information about an obgyn practitioner I visited yesterday. I had a miscarriage last month and was seeking a new obgyn. Dr. Meimaris laughed in my face when I told her I had to go to the ER for treatment of the miscarriage when my body went into circulatory shock. She told me that I brought this life-threatening condition on myself due to my own anxiety and negativity about the situation and asked me how I was possibly going to have a baby in the future if I couldn't deal with this. Clearly she does not know the difference between mental and physical shock. But regardless, she was callous and rude and I left the appointment crying. Most of the other reviewers on yelp have similar stories and I can't understand why their responses are being filtered.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 06:29 AM FlagThere are about 100 reviews on yelp but 70 of them have been filtered (all of them with 1 star ratings and similar concerns about her crazy, erratic behavior and lack of empathy). I'm not sure why yelp is doing this but I wanted to post elsewhere to hopefully stop a woman or two from going through the nightmare of visiting her for even one appointment.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 06:31 AM Flag
Go to Dr.Huang I am a nut-case and she always made me feel as if my feelings matter and were valid. Sorry you had to go through such an awful experience.
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 06:34 AM FlagDr Huang was not my Dr but I was with Shulina in that practice. Huang wound up delivering my DB and was very sensitive when dealing with a tough situation (I wound up with a C-sec after trying for unmedicated birth). She came to talk to me after while I was in the recovery room and said not to worry, that I could try for a VBAC next time and that it had to be done (which she was right about)
[ Reply | More ]03.24.12, 06:40 AM FlagI found Dr Huang to be warm and caring too. Her office staff sucks though :( Maybe worth a try anyway?
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[+] Speaking of being an older mom having a repeat c-section... I'm going to have db #2. ... 10 replies
- person. The MDs are probably used to having women agree to the c-sections and they prefer to do them themselves (they are quick, scheduled and lucrative). I think the most important thing is how you feel yourself -- if you want to go for the VBAC, do it! Kind of up to you....
Talk : : March 18, 2012
Speaking of being an older mom having a repeat c-section... I'm going to have db #2. I'm 39 now but will be 40 when db is born. Db #1 will be 15 months. I've started asking the practice their opinions, typically the midwives say vbac and the mds say c- section. Anyone btdt? What did you do? Not interested in flames turning into why "grannymoms" shouldn't have kids. Without getting into it, I didn't think any of this was possible years ago, so I feel blessed. Even at my old age.TIA.
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | More03.18.12, 06:56 PM Flag ]doctors used to automatically do a c-section once it was done the first time, but that is no longer standard practice. Most scar tissue will hold making a vaginal birth safe, but they are still ready for an emergency section if needed. They should give you the choice unless the doctor thinks there are valid reasons to do another section
[ Reply | More ]03.18.12, 07:00 PM FlagI imagine this is highly individual and based on how fit and healthy you are as well as the skill of the medical person. The MDs are probably used to having women agree to the c-sections and they prefer to do them themselves (they are quick, scheduled and lucrative). I think the most important thing is how you feel yourself -- if you want to go for the VBAC, do it! Kind of up to you.
[ Reply | More ]03.18.12, 07:00 PM FlagTalk in depth with both. I had 2 c-sections, my OB told me that the risk for rupture is not greater during labor, but my dcs were not so close together in age. I stressed quite a bit about this decision, had a mid-wife for 1st but still c-section, ob for 2nd(due to change in insurance).
[ Reply | More ]03.18.12, 07:02 PM Flagloved my vbac... best thing i ever did.... much much better recovery.. and the delivery is exciting.. i had an epidural so didnt feel much pain...
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[+] Anyone here have a scheduled c-section for #2? I had an emergency c with my DD, and I... 18 replies
- have the choice of a scheduled section or a VBAC?...
- your doctor have a lot of experience with VBACs (successful ones)?...
- to. stop trying to convince her to have a vBAC! it wasn't her question...
- one's decision whether to try for a VBAC or not....
- it before, albeit under different circumstances, and a VBAC would be an unknown). I wouldn't...
Talk : : March 15, 2012
Anyone here have a scheduled c-section for #2? I had an emergency c with my DD, and I've been considering possibly scheduling a c-section for my second delivery. Do you know how early (if at all) one can be scheduled?
18 replies [ Reply | Watch | More03.15.12, 11:15 AM Flag ]It really depends on your doctor and your reasons for wanting/needing one.
[ Reply | More ]03.15.12, 11:17 AM FlagIts funny/odd, she's kind of leaving it up to me, which in a way is refreshing and in other respects somewhat daunting.
[ Reply | More ]03.15.12, 11:23 AM FlagDo you mean you have the choice of a scheduled section or a VBAC?
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What are you leaning towards? Does your doctor have a lot of experience with VBACs (successful ones)?
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We are done after this pregnancy (I'm old, 42). I am leaning slightly towards just scheduling it and "getting the job done" but feel a little guilty for not wanting to at least try for VBAC.
[ Reply | More ]03.15.12, 11:28 AM FlagIn that case, schedule the surgery and relax. No guilt necessary -- why would you feel guilty about choosing a section? It's safer for the baby, less nerve-wracking for you (I'm assuming, since you have been through it before, albeit under different circumstances, and a VBAC would be an unknown). I wouldn't overthink it. Once your baby is in your arms, it's all water under the bridge. GL!
[ Reply | More ]03.15.12, 12:08 PM Flag
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[ Reply | More ]03.15.12, 11:17 AM FlagI scheduled mine around 30 weeks for 40 wks. doctor let me pick the day and then wanted to make sure we got the OR time at the hospital
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[+] What happens after the second c-section? Is the scarring and healing much worse? 15 replies
- NP: I totally agree! I am 31 weeks and hoping to VBAC, if I end up having a repeat C...
Talk : : March 10, 2012
What happens after the second c-section? Is the scarring and healing much worse?
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | More03.10.12, 07:11 PM Flag ]My second was worse--but I overdid the walking and messed up my stitches. Third c/s was actually the easiest from which to recover.
[ Reply | More ]03.10.12, 07:14 PM FlagFor crying out loud -- my second was easier than the first. Same exact "scar/incision". Was walking fine 3 days after; took my older son to a birthday party 6 days afterwards-- and felt great.
[ Reply | More ]03.10.12, 07:18 PM FlagOp: just thinking of the doctor cutting into the same scar gives me the chills...It took so long to heal just to be cut in the same spot again... I know, I'm just nervous and being way too squeamish. It is better than having 2 separate scars. It's encouraging to hear that the recovery otherwise is pretty quick.
[ Reply | More ]03.10.12, 07:29 PM FlagExactly...it's better than two separate incisions. It actually heals better (or so I am told). I've had a myomectomy (fibroid removal) and two C-sections and I'm fine. Recovered from last C-section in August so well that my nurse got up from her station because she could not believe it was me moving so well as I went down the hall less than 24 hrs after surgery! GL!
[ Reply | More ]03.10.12, 07:54 PM Flag
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[+] So #1 was induced for being 10 days overdue, ended up with a c/s after 1 hr of pushin... 5 replies
Talk : : March 04, 2012
[+] Sorry if I'm really dense. Had a not so great experience with delivery with current O... 5 replies
Talk : : February 25, 2012
Sorry if I'm really dense. Had a not so great experience with delivery with current OB practice a year ago (DB is fine, fortunately, but my bladder was nicked during unplanned C-section). Would like to switch OB-GYNs and am not TTC yet but want someone who's more skilled at C-sections (not a candidate for VBAC). Annual checkup is in November (pap smear) so should I switch my records to a different practice now?!
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I'm not making an appointment yet -- would not be going until November.
[ Reply | More ]02.25.12, 07:37 PM FlagSeems reasonable. If you need a visit before that for some unforeseen reason it's good for your records to be someplace you don't mind going. And if you don't need an appointment before your next annual then at least it's something you've taken care of and there won't be a last minute rush.
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[+] Why do people say natural childbirth is better? 80 replies
- ended up with a c-section so didn't go through the whole labor process myself, but am very much hoping for a natural VBAC the next time around, but will be open to intervention if it is necessary. I'm willing to put up with a great...fine, but be accurate. Bearing in mind the WHO retracted its "15%" ideal rate as having no basis. BTW I planned a VBAC with a local OB/CNM practice and *even after I developed complications* they did not "forbid" me from a trial of...
Talk : : February 18, 2012
Why do people say natural childbirth is better?
80 replies [ Reply | Watch | More02.18.12, 06:59 AM Flag ]Some women have never had an ounce of hardship in their lives so they need labor to make them feel like they have been through something they can brag about. Some people are just hippies.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:01 AM FlagI agree with this especially the hardship part, I don't need any badge of honor by going though natural childbirth - signed mom who didn't make it to L&D in time for an epidural.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:05 AM FlagOR- I find it exclusive to rich/sheltered women to brag about this. The hippies are superior about it,but in a far less annoying way.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:07 AM Flagyou're speaking about a very small subset of women who brag. The truth is, just mentioning that you had or plan to have a drug free birth is taken as bragging by some women, even if you're not actually bragging.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:10 AM FlagSo you would fall into the hippie category. By hippie I mean you do it because it is more natural,not you live in a commune and make your own shoes out of hemp.
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only people who always take the easy way out or are very insecure about their choices have to make themselves feel better by saying something as ignorant as this. Most women spend their entire pregnancy avoiding all chemicals and drugs, right? Why pump yourself full of drugs on the day of your baby's birth? It has nothing to do with bragging at all. Seems like you're bragging about how much better and smarter you are.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:08 AM FlagI disagree. I've often found that women who take the "easy way out" in their lives in general are the ones who opt for natural births to make themselves feel better about their lack of accomplishments in the rest of their lives.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:11 AM Flagwow. Do you really believe that? Because I know accomplished women and women who are not all thar successful in their careers that had drug free births. Some talk about it as if it was a great accomplishment (it is, though i also think having a baby through c-section is a big accomplishment), and some don't. You really sound angry about this and it makes no sense. How can you generaluze so much? How many women do you know who went drug free?
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:20 AM Flag
np: I was very ill my entire pregnancy and was pumped full of more drugs than I was in my entire life and I still did not hesitate to go for the epidural so your theory is false.
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I agree. It gives women with no real accomplishments something to feel good about until they can live vicariously through their children.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:42 AM Flag
I had 3 "natural" births but that's because I cannot have an epidural. I would have preferred the drugs. With that said, I did have quick labors and deliveries...and I was up and about with not a lot of pain in a few hrs. So maybe the recovery is faster? I don't know but I felt great after each delivery
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:04 AM FlagIt wasn't due to no epidural I had both and the DC born with no epidural was my toughest recovery out of 4 DC's.
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[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:13 AM FlagYou know what I had really rough pregnancies and those are so much more damaging psychologically and physically that the rough recovery was like a walk in the park where as my pregnancies were like a triathlon climbing mount everest swimming across the ocean to cross the Sahara.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:37 AM Flag
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I had one natural childbirth and I don't brag about it -- I usually say that I was able to do it because I have crazy short labor but if I had as long as some women have, no way could I have (or would I have). It was a profound experience I won't forget but I don't see it as a badge of honor. Childbirth can go many different ways and ALL women who do it have done a pretty amazing thing regardless of how it transpired.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:11 AM FlagI had one natural childbirth, basically by accident because I got to the hospital late, and it was by far the most empowering experience every. After the birth, I experienced intense eurphoria. For second baby, I had to be induced, got epidural etc. and did not experience the same intense joy etc.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:20 AM Flagsee, I don't read this as bragging at all, though I think some might.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:32 AM Flagthey might, but this is science. Natural childbirth induces euphoria and an intense high that in my case lasted for weeks. Also the bonding was better with the baby. I had no desire for a natural childbirth before this happened... like I said, it was accidental... but I am really glad I got to experience it.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:35 AM Flag
Until a couple months ago I would have agreed with this- first baby had epi and did not feel the euphoria and had a hard time bonding at first, second baby no epi and felt what you are describing, third baby was induced and had epi and I had the most intense connection and euphoria with this last birth.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 04:31 PM Flag
Unfortunately, most American women only have two options - get an epidural and sign up for the entire system of over-medicalized CYA American L&D or go the "crunchy/granola" route. My ideal birth would be a hospital delivery with a midwife where I was able to labor naturally as long as I wanted but had access to pain relief when/if I wanted it (and emergency care if DB or I needed it). You can get that *maybe* at one or two places in NYC if everything goes right, but it's not even an option in many other parts of the country (including where I live in suburban NJ).
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 07:49 AM Flagand that is completely sick and disheartening. I think natural/drug-free childbirth is a political act, even if the woman is not intending it to be political, exactly because it is so hard to actually have an intervention-free birth in this country now. Epidurals and machines and timelines and 'failure to progress' are the norm now; and this is why people look at a woman who doesn't want this and is willing to feel the pain like they have two heads.
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Did you read what I wrote? Choosing a midwife is also political because only 8% of births in this country are attended by midwives. Whether you want it to be or not, it's the case.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 08:03 AM FlagMaybe it is political to you. I long for the day when women( just like men) can make choices and everyone just accepts it and respects them. I would love for my daughter to live in a world where her vagina is not turned into a battleground by other people.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 08:07 AM FlagIt's only a battleground because it's so rare to have a non-medicalized birth these days. Women have a one in three chance of having a c-section - multiples and older maternal age cannot account for this percentage. I want women to be respected and trusted to make choices about their bodies and births, but with childbirth there are fewer and fewer choices available. So just by choosing a drug free birth a woman is committing a political act.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 08:12 AM FlagThis is an inaccurate and disingenuous interpretation of the 32% national average c-section rate -- which takes into account repeat sections. I believe (would have to look it up) that the primary c-section rate averages around 20%. So 1 in 5, fine, but be accurate. Bearing in mind the WHO retracted its "15%" ideal rate as having no basis. BTW I planned a VBAC with a local OB/CNM practice and *even after I developed complications* they did not "forbid" me from a trial of labor (I ended up forbidding myself, decided the risks made me nervous). And even in the other, more "interventive" hospital where I had #1, I politely declined interventions for a long time when admitted and my choices were honored without so much as a complaint until things started looking bad (read: maternal fever, fetal tachycardia). Fat lot of good it did me to resist protocols, but I was able to do it with no trouble. I think this notion that there are no choices is way overblown and inaccurate. The only way there are no choices is if for some unknowable and insupportable reason, a woman feels 100% certain she can and will have a complication-free vaginal birth. In other words - unreasonable. A lot of women are making themselves unnecessarily miserable - or, more rare but worse, hurting themselves or their babies - by sticking to the notion of a drug-free vaginal birth at all costs.
[ Reply | More ]02.23.12, 01:33 PM Flag
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This is spot-on for me, although I didn't see it that way at the time. Having a natural wasn't because I felt like I didn't have enough suffering in my life -- but in a way, it was my political statement. I'm not a very "political" person, but I feel strongly about the lack of true choice in women's healthcare.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 11:37 AM Flag
Because they I only had natural childbirths w no drugs being administered to them or possibility of the drugs harming their DCs and they can't understand why anyone would do otherwise unless medically necessary
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 08:01 AM Flagyeah, when the epidural stays in the spinal column. it's some bullshit. these kids are all going to go on eating shit, drinking everclear and smoking pot. yet, moms are worried 0.5 cc of the epidural during childbirth which stays in the mother's spinal column is going to harm them. just plain ignorant.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 09:12 AM FlagSounds like you are advocating for an epidural by calling people ignorant bc they want to go drug free -- why so defensive?
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 12:56 PM FlagI don't think the poster is saying wanting to go drug-free is ignorant -- there are plenty of reasons to want to go drug-free -- but insufficient and insaccurate understanding of how the epidural works IS ignorant. The epidural stays in the spinal column. I have no problem with drug-free, I wanted drug-free with #1 because I just really wanted to be up on my feet in no time and figured I wasn't going to medicate away something I had never experienced unless I was certain I couldn't handle it. But to claim that the epdirual harms the baby is wrong. Talk about scaremongering.
[ Reply | More ]02.23.12, 01:38 PM Flag
Every medical intervention brings risks. Some women are more distrustful of medicine, and think the risks aren't worthwhile. Others think the risks are so small that the mother's comfort outweighs them. I think they are both reasonable positions! I would hope that most of these decisions get made based on how difficult each individual labor is. If someone is in terrible pain and needs help, why withhold it? On the other hand, if things are going smoothly, why mess with success?
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 08:21 AM Flagyeah, child birth going smoothly and pain free. how often does that happen? do you eat sushi? you have better odds of getting a serious illness from that than from getting an epidural.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 09:10 AM FlagNP: I assume the above poster doesn't mean pain free. People have different ideas of what is acceptable pain levels, however. Most of my friends and relatives who have had natural births describe it as the worst pain in their lives, but also say they that they knew it would be over and that it was worth it. (I ended up with a c-section so didn't go through the whole labor process myself, but am very much hoping for a natural VBAC the next time around, but will be open to intervention if it is necessary. I'm willing to put up with a great deal of pain to avoid it, however.)
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 11:16 AM Flag
they're full of shit. i actually knew a woman who said, "i'm smart (ivy league grad). i can do this." (aside from the usual ones who say "you're just a whimp") it turned out, she wasn't "smart" enough when the labor pains started. i have no illusions. i was always worried my epidural wouldn't be given in time. it makes all the difference. i remember being in white pain with my first born who was in a posterior position (face up -- very, very painful) and i would tear but couldn't make a sound because the pain was so unbearable. asshole nurse couldn't tell i was sufficiently dilated for the epidural! then the OB (who got the epidural started), let it wear off for the push and that was so hard, too! i really thought it would be better to die. but my second, i got it as soon as i felt that it was starting to get unmanageable and it lasted until after the delivery. it was so easy. without the epidural, there's no way i would have had the second one. we would have been a one child family. i am serious.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 08:53 AM Flagall i've got to say is, don't screw around with that other stuff that "takes the edge off." just go epidural and be done with it.
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no, but everything was quite manageable until it wasn't then the epidural made it all 100% totally better. my MD said the other medications would make me groggy and eventually, it would get painful enough that i would need an epidural anyway. so i never understood why there are other options at all.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 12:59 PM Flag
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Because the human female body has evolved over thousands of years to be quite capable of delivering its own offspring, without medica, intervention. Not at all comparable to dental work btw, which could be the most ignorant comparison ever.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 10:25 AM Flagthat's bullshit. most dental problems won't kill you. and your body wll "fix" it by eventually having it fall out. once in a great long while, a tooth infection can spread to the body and cause death. but childbirth kills many times more people than tooth infection does. it is not any more natural just because it hurts like hell but doesn't kill you.
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I'm due in 6 weeks and going to try natural, because I've heard that epidural slows down labor and increases the chances of other interventions such as c-section. I also have an interest in "feeling the whole experience" - I know that sounds naive to you. I'll deliver in a hospital and if there are complications I won't resist interventions.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 11:50 AM Flagthat sounds great. The only advice I can give you is to not 'try' for a drug free birth: do it or do not do it. If you go in thinking that you'll go as far as you can and maybe get an epidural, chances are you'll get the epi. You will be very suggestible while you're in labor, and if you think there's an out, you'll probably take it. GL! And remember, the pain of contractions only last 60 seconds and then it doesn't hurt at all between them. You can do that.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 12:36 PM FlagPeople say this on UB all the time, but ITD. I approached it as OR and hen it was finally a point I called in the nurse to see how far along I was - she told me it was time to call OB and push. 2 contractions later I had #2. Had epidural w #1 bc I believed the hype that you won't be able to control your own decision making and will end up caving in, so I just went ahead and did it. Slowed down labor do much I had to have , which artificially ramped my contractions right back up. Ending up w a decidedly not pain free and lengthy delivery.
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 12:53 PM Flag
Because statistics show that once you have one medical intervention, it often leads to other ones, including a greater chance of a c-section, which is major surgery. I wanted to avoid that route, and also was excited to see how my body would "do its thing" to birth my babies. Did it twice, natural, and am so glad that i did. Was empowering and exciting - and hard and painful - but I wouldn't trade it. I was more afraid of the medical intervention than I was of the natural birth. Read Ina Mae Gaskin's book for more info
[ Reply | More ]02.18.12, 04:13 PM Flag1) In routine births, trust body/nature more than western medicine. 2) Childbirth is painful but the endorphins in connection with the birth are incomparable and recovery is quick. 3) One intervention leads to another resulting in a "cascade" of interventions. 4) C-section rate skyrockets with use of interventions. 5) Pitocin may play a role in causing autism, why risk it.
[ Reply | More ]02.19.12, 06:24 PM FlagLabored with my first sans drugs involuntarily for ten hours. Truly unbearable. Sorry, I didn't care at that point if the alleged endorphins were fifteen minutes away - I frigging wept when I got that epidural. Had epidural for two and three and had quick births, pretty much pain-free except for the first hour or do, and had quick births with quick recoveries. Babies were alert, nursed right away, etc. Not a single regret.
[ Reply | More ]02.19.12, 07:12 PM Flag
[+] Intended to VBAC, but approaching 42 wks. Should I press dr. to hold off on schedule... 8 replies
- I would try for a vbac first. If you can't, then emergency c. this is what i am hoping for with my next db....
- I'm surprised they let you go to 42wks for a VBAC...
- will having sex induce it? I had a vbac and can tell you recovery was sooo much easier....
Talk : : February 13, 2012
Intended to VBAC, but approaching 42 wks. Should I press dr. to hold off on scheduled c? I just am nervous to take care of 2 y.o. and infant while recovering from surgery. Of course, there's no guarantee that I'll avoid a c-sec anyway. Just need to go into labor already!
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[+] MIL vent! My sister had a scheduled c-section for her second DC. First was also sched... 24 replies
- NP: she can't say that because it's clearly not true -- VBACs are an option in some places and for some women (no idea if sister...
- MILs such witches. Isn't it a bit dangerous for VBAC? Can she possibly understand that?...
- Just keep repeating that she decided not do to a VBAC, she wanted to just do another C because she felt it was safer/simpler/whatever...
Talk : : February 12, 2012
MIL vent! My sister had a scheduled c-section for her second DC. First was also scheduled cs because of breech position. MIL has been asking me over and over, in a judgmental tone, why she had to have a c-section. I keep trying to change the subject, but she is not getting the message. I cannot stand the judgment and the superiority.
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | More02.12.12, 07:45 PM Flag ]Just turn it back and say, Why does it matter so much to you?
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How about explaining that once you have a csection, you always have a csection?? Not so difficult. What is she 'judging'? Does she think your sis is lazy and wants a longer luxurious hospital stay?
[ Reply | More ]02.12.12, 07:50 PM FlagNP: she can't say that because it's clearly not true -- VBACs are an option in some places and for some women (no idea if sister was a candidate at all or not). That said, MIL sounds like a real piece of work. Can OP say something like "well, obviously my sister would prefer to have a "regular" birth like so many other women, but unfortunately that's just not in the cards. Don't make her feel worse about it than she already does." Doesn't matter if sister really feels like that or not, but maybe it would shut MIL up for a bit, since obviously MIL seems to think the sister SHOULD be feeling bad about it.
[ Reply | More ]02.12.12, 07:58 PM Flag
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Did you try to have an ECV? If not for solid medical reasons, or if it didn't work, it should shut her down. That of course assumes you're looking for a *reason* to shut her down, because ultimately it's none of her fucking business as long as she got a healthy grandchild.
[ Reply | More ]02.12.12, 08:14 PM FlagJust keep repeating that she decided not do to a VBAC, she wanted to just do another C because she felt it was safer/simpler/whatever. Eventually she will drop it. And now you know what topics to avoid. Next time don't give her any info about the mode of delivery.
[ Reply | More ]02.12.12, 08:40 PM Flag-
Sorry everyone! Stopped to take a phone call and then the evening got away from me. I just wanted to vent to get it out of my system, but yes, MIL knows all the reasons, and there are several, for the scheduled c. She STILL thinks she was bamboozled by the medical establishment and should have had a VBAC. PLUS, she thinks the first c-section was a medical cop-out because she herself was breech but her own mother pushed her out anyway.
[ Reply | More ]02.12.12, 09:55 PM Flag
[+] I had so many problems delivering my first that OB says vbac is not an option. Any th... 9 replies
Talk : : February 05, 2012
I had so many problems delivering my first that OB says vbac is not an option. Any thoughts on what recovery from second c-section will be like? Also any way to avoid the Percocet constipation, I was so miserable last time.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | More02.05.12, 04:56 AM Flag ]2 cs in 2 years. Recovery of 2nd cs was much easier, and I've never touched Percocet. 3 Motrin worked just fine. Good luck!
[ Reply | More ]02.05.12, 06:17 AM FlagMy 2nd C-section recovery was LONGER than 1st, but other than that not an issue. Eat prunes and other high fiber foods leading up to surgery and only eat bean soups + fruit during recovery at hospital. Alternate pain meds and don't do percocet once you leave the hospital.
[ Reply | More ]02.05.12, 06:44 AM Flag
ugh I'm in the same boat as you. Had a really long labor, pushed for several hours, ended up with C-section and they nicked my bladder. Recovery was tough (had a catheter for a week). No advice to give but wishing you a safe delivery and an uneventful, easy recovery.
[ Reply | More ]02.05.12, 07:19 AM FlagJust had my 2nd C section 2 months ago. It was a breeze! They had a hard time w/ the spinal, but the rest was fantastic. I had DAYS of horrible constipation from the percs, but eventually asked for a enema and it worked like a charm. then, just drank TONS of prune juice, 3 stool softeners a day (2 at night and one in the am) and as long as I kept that up, I had no issues w/ constipation. Also, I stopped taking them by day 10.
[ Reply | More ]02.05.12, 07:39 AM FlagWhy don't you just skip the percocet? I didn't take any with my second CS because of the constipation issue with teh first. I just made sure to take ibuprofen and acetomeniphen to keep the pain at bay. You can take ibuprofen ever 6 hrs and acetopmeniphen every 4 so the nurses just be me on a schedule so that I was dosed up. After a couple days I stopped the acetomeniphen and by the time I went home I wasn't eve takin the ibuprofen any more. Total breeze and no constipation.
[ Reply | More ]02.05.12, 09:12 AM Flag
[+] Home birth advocate dies in labor. It was just a matter of time. Maybe this will fi... 29 replies
- I was supposed to birth at home with my first. I had a problem - and couldn't avoid hospital birth. Met the OB who did csection a few weeks before and scheduled it. With second I was supposed to have vbac but opted for C when baby was a week late, black out on the table for an hour....
Talk : : February 02, 2012
Home birth advocate dies in labor. It was just a matter of time. Maybe this will finally stop those idiots, but I kind of doubt it. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/02/02/home-birth-advocate-dies-in-labor.html
29 replies [ Reply | Watch | More02.02.12, 02:30 PM Flag ]is there any evidence that having the baby in a hospital would have avoided the death? It's a very sad fact that new mothers die in hospitals, too.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:33 PM FlagAnd a perfectly healthy pregnant woman died having a scheduled c-section of twins at NYU in December. What's your point? People die in childbirth. They always have and they always will.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:36 PM Flag-
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I posted above. A friend's mom died during csection a few years ago.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:53 PM FlagAnd a friend of mine would have died if she gave birth without a c-section. Does that mean that I should say that everyone should have a c-section?
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 03:00 PM FlagNP: I would have died without my c-section. I still support home birth. I won't do it myself (as I am now considered high-risk), but for low-risk pregnancies it is a perfectly valid and safe option. Giving birth has some risks. Being in a hospital carries some risks of its own.
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[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:39 PM Flagyou know nothing about home birth. Midwives are trained experienced medical professionals that can spot problems that necessitate a transfer to a hospital. And they don't come with towels and insense - they bring drugs to stop hemmorraging and other complications. They assist when necessary, but usually, it's not necessary.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 04:37 PM Flag
I gave birth happily in a hospital, but this strikes me as such an ignorant response. Mothers dying in home births (or hospital births) are fleetingly rare. When proper prenatal care and the attention of a professional are factored in, most studies have shown home births are just as safe as hospital births.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:45 PM FlagI was supposed to birth at home with my first. I had a problem - and couldn't avoid hospital birth. Met the OB who did csection a few weeks before and scheduled it. With second I was supposed to have vbac but opted for C when baby was a week late, black out on the table for an hour.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:55 PM Flag
np: It depends on your kids. My kids are 6 and 3 and they are NOT easy. That woman you saw juggling a stroller and two crying kids on the subway this morning? That was me.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 02:59 PM Flag
[+] anybody have any experience with an anterior placenta after a C-Section? I am (was?) ... 7 replies
- was an non issue. DC#1 was breech so delivered by C-section. DC#2 was delivered early because I had preeclampsia. I had been planning a VBAC if term delivery but opted for a Csection at 36wks. During the VBAC planning no on seemed concerned in the least by teh anterior placenta. Why are you worrying, what did your doctors tell you?...
Talk : : February 02, 2012
anybody have any experience with an anterior placenta after a C-Section? I am (was?) great candidate for vbac but not sure what the placenta means.
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | More02.02.12, 07:49 AM Flag ]don't really understand the question. I had an anterior placenta and had a C section. can you clarify?
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 07:52 AM FlagI am pregnant with no 2 and have an anterior placenta. my first was a C-sec. I understand about worse case scenarios but I wanted to know if anybody had any real life experience as to the risks - if any - involved
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 07:54 AM Flagnp: I had anterior placentas with both my pregnancies. No one ever commented on any risks involved. It was an non issue. DC#1 was breech so delivered by C-section. DC#2 was delivered early because I had preeclampsia. I had been planning a VBAC if term delivery but opted for a Csection at 36wks. During the VBAC planning no on seemed concerned in the least by teh anterior placenta. Why are you worrying, what did your doctors tell you?
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 07:58 AM FlagI am 19 weeks, had level 2 ultrasound yesterday and perinatologist that performed it said everything looks absolutely fine but wants to see me again in 4 weeks to check that everything is still fine. I have not talked to my regular ob yet so just wondering. something about placenta getting too low (and close to uterus incision) was mentioned but it's not the case as of now.
[ Reply | More ]02.02.12, 08:02 AM Flag
[+] Pregnant and 6 more weeks to go. Just learned today from ultrasound that baby is hea... 22 replies
- catch my db's orientation on an ultra sound early in labor, & my doc said he probably twisted after the U/S), 2) a doctor definitely can try to manually twist the baby (my first doc didn't try this, 2nd doc was a more pro vbac doc & we discussed this beforehand & tried it during my second labor). You can also try acupuncture, I know there is a technique for breach babies, might also work in this case. I've also heard to shine a flashlight where you want the baby...
Talk : : January 18, 2012
Pregnant and 6 more weeks to go. Just learned today from ultrasound that baby is heads down and dropped (woohoo) but sunny-side up (I think the term is 'posterior' presentation). I'm so worried! Anyone go through this? Did baby turn before delivery? Anything I can do? Were you able to avoid a c-section? was labor more painful? So upset. Any personal anecdotes will help...
22 replies [ Reply | Watch | More01.18.12, 05:05 PM Flag ]Try to stop thinking about it. My second turned about 20 times in the last 4-6 weeks. I don't think you require a C in that position either. DB can turn during labor.
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:06 PM FlagI was in the same boat. Don't worry about it. I spent some time in our lounge chair that could be positioned to have legs elevated, but not sure if it did anything. Good luck! :)
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:08 PM FlagDon't panic! Spend a lot of time on hands and knees and arching your back- could possibly help. Also, our kiddo turned most of the way back to a better presentation- my OBs are starting to think that a number of sunny side up babies just turn themselves later and that might even be what triggers some part of labor starting. Your labor might be a little longer, or not. Might be a little more intense, or not. Also, this depends on your OBs somewhat and their training/ability/willingness to do some manual labor to turn the LO in the birth canal. My amazing doc did this and I had a vaginal delivery, medicated until an hour before pushing, and it turned out fine. No C. I think my labor felt more painful because I was ill (didn't realize it until they took my temperature after I was admitted and I was running a 102 degree fever. Whoops.) Please don't be upset- you will be able to tolerate whatever comes your way.
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:09 PM FlagOP: so asking to be 'manually turned' is something I can do during labor?
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:14 PM FlagUhhh I don't really know. My OB just did it- I mean, she totally filled me in, let me know, kept me posted, et cetera- but I felt like my labor (NOT BECAUSE OF HIS PRESENTATION, but because of its length and "slowness" at 32 hours) might very well have been a C with any other OBs.
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:19 PM Flag
Most posterior babies turn during labor. Only 10% are born posterior. Mine was and I had a vaginal delivery with no epidural and no complications. It took a while to push db out, but I didn't tear or anything. I don't know about the pain because it was my only labor, but I made it through just fine.
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I'm so impressed! Had you tried any exercises to turn him? Any tips on how you got through drug-free labor? I was so committed to this and now am afraid it won't happen if he doesn't flip.
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:24 PM FlagI didn't know she was posterior until she was born. I assume my midwife knew at some point when she checked me but she never said anything - either my pelvis was going to open and let the baby out or not, but telling me about it would only have made me worry about it. As far as labor, i had back labor because of the posterior position and the only thing that helped was being in a tub with lots of counter pressure against my back. I did that for as long as possible and then went to the hospital to push.
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:29 PM FlagOP: Great inspiration! Maybe I should look on the bright side then. If he doesn't turn (though hope he does) it'll be back labor and then I won't be tempted with the epidural (which I do not want at all) since I heard it's useless for back labor anyway. Silver lining?
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 05:32 PM Flag
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[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 09:22 PM FlagMine was but they didn't know it until they pulled him out via c. His heartrate kept decreasing during labor. It wasnt what i wanted but the c really wasn't the worst thing in the world. Recovery was not bad at all for me and the baby was healthy. Don't worry about it and everything will turn out fine whether c or vaginal.
[ Reply | More ]01.18.12, 09:34 PM Flag
[+] For moms who had Csections, how long did it take for your scar to fade? I'm 5 months ... 16 replies
- Same line. Even tho I tried a vbac, after the 2nd c-section they were able to clean it up a bit more (diff doc), so I was really happy with the result. It's so low that I can't see it & don't notice it anymore. (2.5 yrs out)...
Talk : : January 16, 2012
For moms who had Csections, how long did it take for your scar to fade? I'm 5 months pp and still have a pretty obvious red line. I know it's major surgery and everything, but just wondering when it will be less obvious.
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I know it's not the same, but I had laproscopic on my abdomen and, although they go through belly button, the tools are put through regular incisions on both sides. It's been less than a year and lines have almost completely faded. Wonder if that's encouraging for ability for surgical scars to heal in that area...
[ Reply | More ]01.16.12, 05:12 PM FlagI used those silicon scar sheets on mine - you can barely see it anymore. It took a couple of months, but made a huge difference.
[ Reply | More ]01.16.12, 06:35 PM Flag
[+] Vaginal Birth or C-section???: My doctor has asked my husband and I to choose how w... 148 replies
- have a c-section the first time have them again, vbacs are possible but don't always work. So if...a vaginal delivery over a C any day. Both VBACs were fast, not that painful (with epidurals) and just...
- ^^^and fwiw, I am an old mom and the VBACs went so smoothly. Good luck!...
- This is encouraging to know. I'm really hoping for a Vbac with my next. I had a terrible...
- ^I had 2 emergency c's. Tried to VBAC the 2nd time....
Talk : : January 13, 2012
Vaginal Birth or C-section???: My doctor has asked my husband and I to choose how we would like our baby delivered. He said C-section is easier for the doctor and is fine if you only plan to have 1 or 2 babies - but it is major surgery. He said vaginal delivery if quick is better than a c-section but if the vaginal birth is long and drawn out than a c-section is better. WWYD?
148 replies [ Reply | Watch | More01.13.12, 12:29 PM Flag ]Weird to do an elective c-section for the reasons you describe. That said, I've had three of them--not 1 or 2--and OB's fine with a 4th if I were to decide to have another kid.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:31 PM FlagI'd plan on vaginal - if it's not working out, you can have a c-section, but at least waiting to go into labor helps make sure that the baby is fully developed and you never know if you're going to be one of those women who have a relatively easy time of labor and birth.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:31 PM FlagI think what is "easier" for the doctor should not be the deciding factor as to how you give birth.
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Not fake. Just came from my 20th week exam and this is what he explained to us. I am trying to understand expereinces of women who have done one or the other. This is my first child and I just wanted to get some more info. Obviously this will be a decision between my husband and I, but I don't know anyone who's had c-section so don't know how it is.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:39 PM FlagFirst of all, FIND A NEW DOCTOR. Seriously. Yours sounds ridiculous for even giving a healthy woman in her first pregnancy this option.
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+3 this doctor sounds terrible if he really said to base a decision on major surgery on the fact that it is easier for HIM??? How could you even stand to go back to him? I am the daughter of a doctor, the sister of a doctor and the daughter of a nurse and this is absolutely unacceptable and appalling!
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 05:18 PM Flag
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yeah, the guy gets more money for a c-section. unfuckingbelievable.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:52 PM Flag
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i did an elective c-section because me and dh are born on the same day and wanted db to be born on the same day too!!!!
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Was recovery painful? (Duh!) I mean was recovery so painful that you would think twice about doing it again? Any complications?
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:41 PM Flagmost women who have a c-section the first time have them again, vbacs are possible but don't always work. So if you're planning more than one child, and have a c-section, know that no matter how awful the recovery is, you'll probably have another one. FWIW, most of my friends who have had both (generally first natural, 2nd c/s because of a complication) would take vaginal any day
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:52 PM Flag
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There's just no way a doctor said, Hey a C is easy for me, do it!
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:41 PM FlagHe didn't say it like that. He said I could either deliver vaginally or through c-section. He told me how in the medical communicty they used to think elective c-section was crazy but studies over time have shown that it is not as bad as everyone thought and if you are only planning to do 1 or 2 births there are rarely long term complications. I asked him his opinion and he said he was biased because a c-section is medically easier to do for a doctor so he didn't want to bias me. He said if he had to choose a short vaginal birth over a c-section he would choose vaginal birth - however he said if the vaginal birth was long or drawn out he would choose c-section. I am jsut trying to get info from women who may have had both on what their experiences were. First child and it is freaking me out a little bit.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:46 PM FlagOk... everyone know that you can a) deliver vaginally or b) deliver with a c-section - the baby has to come out somehow. There is no way to know how your labor will play out, most are uncomplicated, progress normally and end up vaginal and easy. Some have complications and then you get a c-section. If you have no medical reason to plan one (sounds like you don't) then plan a vaginal delivery (with whatever level of medication you think you'll want/explore those options) but know you might need a c-section if things don't go well. Also, look into the stats for your doctor and the hospital about c-sections - most women try to avoid them at all costs.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:50 PM Flaggood for him for being honest, but go to another practice right away. his "bias" should be for a healthy mom and healthy baby, not what requires the least amount of his time and labor. yeah, a fast vaginal birth requires pretty much nothing from him, and wouldn't take much of his time, so you should choose to do that.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:52 PM FlagI'd be interested in these "studies." Obviously major surgery is something you should avoid, if possible. And a long vaginal birth lasts as long as it takes for you to endure labor while trying to ward off said major surgery.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:58 PM FlagHe said in Europe and latin america if is very common for women to have c-sections. I had a conversation with a global client once and she was telling me how c-sections are so much more "civilized" and that she doesn't understand the concern in the US. lol.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:09 PM FlagHaving your stomach cut open, internal organs moved around and baby ripped out of your uterus is civilized? (I'm not anti-c/s at all, just think it is ridiculous to go through major surgery like that if there isn't a medical need). Medical care in Europe and Latin AMerica is very different from the US.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:12 PM Flag
What this doctor is saying is that if you stay with him, you WILL have a c-section, regardless of what your "choice" is, unless you happen to deliver in the taxi or the waiting room.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:13 PM FlagNo I don't think so. He said he it was our choice and he is comfortbale doing both. It was about what I was willing to go through.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:20 PM FlagDon't be naive. The fact that he gives you a "choice" is ridiculous. All OBs are comfortable doing both, that is their job. Honestly, you are having a baby, the baby has to come out. It isn't fun or pretty either way, but the far better scenario for you and your baby is a vaginal birth, unless there is a complication. End of story. A doctor who "offers" a c/s to someone at 20 weeks is telling her that his rate is very high and your chances of having one for a slow or long labor (when there is nothing else wrong) are greatly increased. My labor was 40 hours from the time my water broke, but my doctor is very low-intervention, and I was able to avoid a c/s in the end. Pushed db out in 20 minutes and felt pretty good less than 2 weeks after birth.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:24 PM FlagAnd he's asking you to decide, at 20 weeks, and have one of the options be an elective C? Either he's a quack or you're lying.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:25 PM FlagMmmhmmm...check his rates of c/s then. Mine was all VBAC on my second until a month b/4. Then it was: it'll be better if we don't try. Just saying.
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you ask them. you can check hospital rates at www.theunnecesarean.com, but it's not as telling as the stats for the individual doctor or practice.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:45 PM Flag
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this. And you have to have him define 'short time' for you. If he means 8-12 hours and then you move onto medical interventions to speed things along, you WILL get a c-section. Labor, esp first time labor, can last 12-24 hours and be perfectly safe. Sounds like your doc has a rigid timeline of what he thinks is acceptable and performs lots of 'convenient' c-sections.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:21 PM FlagSounds like OP wants a doctor who realizes she's too posh to push.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:24 PM Flag
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Seriously? You would do an elective c-section (MAJOR surgery) because it is easier for your doctor? I had a LONG labor and a vaginal delivery and it was fine. If I'd needed a c-section at some point (because I wasn't progressing or the baby was in distress), THAT is a reason to have one. Not to make it easier for your doctor to schedule his golf game.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:44 PM FlagNo not because if it easier for doctor - but if it's easier for me I might consider it. Just looking for information.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:10 PM FlagI have had both (1st natural, 2nd c/s because breech baby). It is 10000000000% better to have a vaginal birth, 99.9% of the time. No way is a c/s easier on the mother (or the baby, for that matter. Most babies born from c/s require suctioning and many get oxygen because the time they spend in the birth canal helps prepare their lungs for breathing air, and c/s babies don't get that).
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:15 PM Flag
I've never heard of a doctor suggesting a c-section for non-medical reasons.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:50 PM FlagReport this doctor to your state medical board immediately.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 12:55 PM Flagcheck out: http://www.theunnecesarean.com/the-unnecesarean/
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:15 PM FlagFWIW, I had an elective c/s: twin birth, both babies were head-down and my doctor gave me the option but in the end, I was not comfortable with the risks of a twin birth and preferred to have them delivered surgically. No regrets BUT had I been carrying one baby, there is no way I would opt for a surgical delivery. Unless, of course, the baby was breech or there was a complication that made vaginal delivery highly risky to either me or the baby. But assuming everything progresses normally, I would plan on a vaginal birth with the c/s as backup if necessary.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:18 PM FlagPS I also knew that I was not going to have another pregnancy/baby (pregnancy was IVF and I was of 'advanced maternal age'). If I thought I wanted more DCs, I probably would have attempted a vaginal twin birth. On the other hand, I can honestly say that my recovery was very, very easy. Walking within 12 hours and no pain killers stronger than Motrin 600. I realize this is not everyone's experience, but I have to say that I did not find it to be a horrible, painful recovery at all.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:20 PM FlagShe's not even talking about letting it progress! An elective C decided at 20 weeks with no signs of complications. Oh, please.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:20 PM FlagNo, I know -- I've seriously never heard of a doctor suggesting this to a healthy, normal-risk patient. I'm not anti-c/s (obvs.) but I wouldn't recommend it as a standard course of action for someone who doesn't need it. Twin births are very complicated -- mainly the risk is for Baby B, who undergoes a lot of stress while A is delivered and can go into distress, or flip into breech position, or otherwise require emergency action -- which is why I chose surgery. Definitely wouldn't have crossed my mind to request it if I'd only had one baby.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:24 PM Flag
How is a C-section better if a vaginal birth is long? Oh right, he gets to go golfing. You KNOW this and still you ask, so I'm assuming you want the C as well.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:36 PM FlagI asked my OB, "What if I want a c-section?" She said that since over 65% of OBs have scheduled elective c-sections, she didn't see any reason why I shouldn't have one if I wanted one.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:46 PM FlagIt is very sad that an OB did not see any reason not to give you an elective non-medically necessary c-8section.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 01:53 PM FlagThe truth is, c-sections are very safe surgery. They are surgery, and no one who doesn't want one should be pressured into it. But if you read the academic studies, the risks of c-sections are in the same range as vaginal deliveries. Sorry if the science doesn't fit with your ideology.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:07 PM FlagWhat are the complications and after effects of vaginal birth? Surely there are some?
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:16 PM Flagnot the same. pregnancy.com (not ideologically bent toward NCB or vaginal birth) says: The estimated risk of a woman dying after a cesarean birth is less than one in 2,500 (the risk of death after a vaginal birth is less than one in 10,000). so the risk of dying is higher.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:38 PM Flag
Do not get a c/s unless it is necessary. The recovery is painful. I felt like it was such a violation and had terrible PPD from it. I would really discourage electing one because it is major surgery and it could also cause complications for future deliveries. I would much rather had a long drawn out vaginal birth because that is more natural than being cut open.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:05 PM FlagI was the exact opposite. Loved by c-sections, had no interest in 'natural' vaginal birth. Different strokes.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:08 PM FlagNo complications? How was recovery? Is your abdomen ever the same?
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:14 PM Flagnp: my recovery was great, actually (posted above about twin c/s birth). Walking within 12 hours, no pain meds other than Motrin 600 (and one shot of Morpine by IV right after delivery which was heavenly). My abdomen is slightly changed, but I think that's the result of gaining 60+ pounds with a 38-week twin pregnancy, not solely the the c/s. I do a lot of Pilates which has helped me regain my abdominal muscles. I wouldn't recommend a c/s to everyone but it's honestly not that horrible. Though I imagine an emergency c (after your body has been through the stress of labor) is much harder to recover from.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:52 PM FlagMy recovery took quite long. When I returned home from the hospital I couldn't lay flat on my bed because it was too painful so I slept sitting up for a week. I felt pain for a few months after the surgery and still feel pulling & dull soreness every now and then after almost a year. I don't think my abs will ever be the same after being cut once. I've heard that the scar stays forever, but it becomes lighter. I've only had it for 1 yr and still have a raised scar. I don't have any other complications so far and have not gone though second preg yet.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 02:54 PM FlagYour abs shouldn't have been cut, just moved aside. I had to have a C b/c DD was breech. Cutting the abs was a concern of mine, but my doc said that they don't do that. Instead, they move them to the side (spread them apart with an instrument). This was at Northwestern in Chicago.
[ Reply | More ]01.15.12, 08:53 PM Flag
The 3 hrs I was waiting in the recovery room after surgery were the worst hours... I've never felt such negative energy going through my body with all the meds that make you shake with no control. I had no desire to hold my baby. It felt awful and wrong. I would never want to elect a c-section.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 08:58 PM Flag
Wow. I would switch doctors. I had a very high risk pregnancy and a c- section was never, ever suggested to me by my high risk practice. Not even induction when I went 8 days past my due date. The doctor and the hospital make significantly more money on c-section.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 04:24 PM FlagFrom Up-to-Date (Clinician Section): Increased neonatal mortality — A population-based study used birth certificate data and an intention-to-treat methodology to examine the risk of neonatal mortality for low risk births by method of delivery [46]. All US live births and infant deaths from 1999 to 2002 (8,026,415 births and 17,412 infant deaths) were examined. Low-risk births were defined as singleton, term, vertex births with no medical risk factors, placenta previa, or prior cesarean delivery noted on the birth certificate. The "planned vaginal delivery" group consisted of vaginal births and those cesareans performed in the setting of labor complications or procedures (n=7,755,236), while the "planned cesarean delivery" group comprised women who underwent cesareans with no documented labor complications or procedures (n = 271,179). After adjustment for maternal age, race/ethnicity, education, parity, smoking, infant birthweight, gestational age, and exclusion of infants with congenital anomalies, the odds of neonatal death with "planned cesarean delivery" were significantly higher than with "planned vaginal delivery" (OR 1.93, 95% CI 1.67-2.24).
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 04:32 PM FlagEven when long and drawn out vaginal is usually better. I think I'd get a new doc. Sounds like an idiot.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 05:20 PM FlagI agree. Your goal is to deliver a healthy baby and to have the birth experience you want (assuming it's safe and feasible), not to make it easy on your doctor. I had a long vaginal delivery, and me and DD were just fine. I have no regrets at all and it was a wonderful experience.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 06:08 PM Flag
20 weeks and all is fine? I'm not a doctor, but I don't know of any reason to suggest this medically. Had both of mine vaginally. My second was a breech, turned via ECV, and had a precipitous vaginal delivery and retained placenta requiring a D&C, so believe me, I'm not an evangelist about vag deliveries. However, my first was induced, and I was so resentful of being on everyone's timetable except my own and my baby's. If you at all like this doctor, stand up to him. If you don't, run and find another before you're too far along. You won't want to feel shafted later, wondering if you could have done it naturally but were convinced into a c-section in the midst of pain, etc.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 07:12 PM FlagHonestly I would choose a C. Just had my first DD two weeks ago, and I am still kind of traumatized by it. Painful back labor, intrathecal wore off before I started pushing, and pushing lasted 2 hours. The pushing was infinitely more painful than the contractions (which were bad to begin with with back labor, and I didn't get pain meds till 7 cm). I also broke my coccyx during pushing, so I was bed-ridden most of the first week anyway. Never ever want to do that again.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 07:30 PM FlagI would never have an elective C-section. That is just crazy. I had a C first due to breech and high BP, then 2 VBACs. I even had major tearing with my 2nd and still would take a vaginal delivery over a C any day. Both VBACs were fast, not that painful (with epidurals) and just such amazing, empowering experiences. Don't cheat yourself or your baby by going for a C right off the bat if it isn't medically necessary. The recovery really sucks compared to a vaginal delivery. If a C is safer and needed to keep you and the baby safe, then do it and don't worry. But don't do it just for kicks. The most important thing is to delivery a healthy baby.
[ Reply | More ]01.13.12, 07:38 PM FlagI planned an elective c section for both of my babies. easiest. delivery. easiest. recovery. of all time. the delivery was 11 minutes and DONE. i was walking 6 hours later. showered without assistance or iv's the next morning. the myth about c sections being awful is because many women have emergency c sections. they labor for 20 hours or something goes wrong with babies blood pressure whatever. so they have an overall awful experience. i have the tiniest scar. i can wear a bikini. and everything is normal within a week. if you have a vaginal delivery, your hips will expand further (google relaxin hormone kicking in during birth), your vagina will tear or be cut from hole to hole. i know its not the natural way, but why would i want to stretch something the size of a watermelon out of something smaller than the size of a lemon. i happened to go into labor the morning of my scheduled c section. so i experienced the labor pains. and the pain of labor is 1000X worse than the pain of a c-section.
[ Reply | More ]01.14.12, 12:09 PM FlagHey OP-- i asked my ob to have a c when i was 8 weeks along. i didnt want to deal with a ripped up vagina, labor for 20 hours, excruciating pain, crap on the table, etc. my ob told me it was easier for them to schedule a birth via c but that it was entirely my call. i would have switched doctors if they did not allow me to have a c. and im so so so glad i had one... and then another a year and half later. my stomach is flat as a board. the scar is super low, super small. and the delivery was about 10 minutes. everyone was in a great happy mood in the delivery mood and i got to hold my bundle of joy right after... plenty of skin to skin contact etc. i was FINE within a week. and at the gym within 5 weeks.
[ Reply | More ]01.14.12, 12:16 PM FlagEveryone is forgetting about the risk to the baby during a scheduled elective C. My cousin chose a c-section basically against all medical advice (doctor shopping) and her daughter who was 'full term' by then ended up in the NICU for 2 weeks with respiratory issues bc her lungs were not fully developed. Part of labor is actually putting the DB into
[ Reply | More ]01.15.12, 10:10 AM Flagsorry got cut off. part of labor is actually putting the DB into stress to encourage them to develop their lung surfactant...sort of a kick in the butt to get them ready to breathe air. Besides this, there is a risk of bladder injury, higher risk of PPD, and a HUGE deterrent to Breastfeeding. I know it's not impossible to BF after a C (and many women do it VERY successfully) but often it is an uphill battle; dont get skin to skin rt away in most cases, some women do not feel well enough to hold DB hours after delivery (when building supply is critical,) meds in your bloodstream make DB very sleeping therefore not waking to feed as often, incision site can be too painful to hold DB to latch.
[ Reply | More ]01.15.12, 10:14 AM FlagFWIW I had an emergency abdominal laproscopic surgery when DB was 3 months old (unrelated to birth) and I reacted TERRIBLY to the drugs...I was throwing up for days which made me rip my stitches open several times and this was a lap procedure, not even as bad as a C-section scar. During my vaginal delivery, i had a second degree tear and a few stitches. I had ice between my legs for one night and was a bit slow walking around for the first week. After that, it was a cakewalk. (whoever mentioned incontinence as a side effect of a vaginal delivery, you are wrong...that is often a side effect of an EPIDURAL, NOT the vaginal delivery itself.) GOod luck to you and your baby, hopefully you find a new doctor.
[ Reply | More ]01.15.12, 10:17 AM FlagI got skin to skin immediately after my c-section (nyu policy) and an successfully breastfeeding my 2nd child after my 2nd c-section. though I agree w/ you on the rest of your points.
[ Reply | More ]01.15.12, 11:35 AM Flagnot my experience with two C sections. I healed super quickly and had no trouble breast feeding, babies were healthy and great. I think a scheduled C is so much better, usually, than an emergency one. That said, I had to have the C sections for medical reasons, not elective ones, and I think the dr. sounds crazy giving you this choice and saying it is easier for the dr. I am grateful for my C sections and my wonderful birth experiences and healthy kids, but I think you only do a c section if there is a medical need.
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DF had an elective c-section - I don't know her reasons. She has had SO many complications from that C-section. She has had muscular issues, back issues, and several others and is currently scheduled for a fix-it surgery. (Her DB is now 3.) I'm glad C-sections exist for medical emergencies, but there are plenty of complications that can (and DO) occur.
[ Reply | More ]01.16.12, 06:16 AM Flag
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it has an uphill battle against medicalized birth in this country.
[ Reply | More ]01.05.12, 07:11 PM FlagThis is another lie. This country uses propaganda to try and get women to give birth the cheapest way possible, because the insurance industry is so powerful.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:25 AM FlagUgh. What are you talking about? No one I know has ever been talked out of medical interventions while giving birth. It's been the exact opposite. And home birth is much much cheaper for the insurance companies.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:59 AM FlagWell. I guess you don't know me.. but the doctor and the nurses I worked with tried hard to keep interventions to a minimum. And the class I took at the hospital pre-birth really pushed to get us to try for a natural birth. I ended up having a serious complication and interventions were needed. But such is life.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 08:12 AM Flag
I think that obviously it should be up to the women but the fear factor about hospitals in birth was a little over the top.
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I am planning on being induced at 40 weeks and having an epidural. It went great for me last time.
[ Reply | More ]01.05.12, 08:18 PM FlagIt was a little OTT, IMHO. Worth watching but I take what they say with a heaping spoon of salt.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:14 AM FlagMaybe I'm just drinking the natural childbirth kool aid, but why do you need a heaping spoon of salt to watch it?
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:35 AM FlagJust like c-sections are not the magic bullet, neither are home births. Each person's situation differs, and you have to choose what's right for you.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:39 AM FlagI think it shows pretty well that home births are not right for everyone and that some women, like the filmmaker, have complications that have to be dealt with in a hospital setting. But the film shows clearly that there are risks in hospital births, risks that the majority of people just don't think about.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:50 AM FlagThe film showed well that what is right for you may not necessarily be right for your doctors, and this is a problem if you want the best care for you and for your baby.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:06 AM FlagWhat garbage- what's best for you and your baby may not be right for your insurance company- who would rather have you have a vaginal birth on the cheap.
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Really? You clearly know absolutely nothing about the insurance industry.
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What's the other view? That medicalized birth is great for women?
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:35 AM FlagNP: Um, maybe that home births are not a good fit for everyone? That some women may be better off taking the epidural (think 24+ hours of labor, no epi, too exhausted to push), that C rates are higher in the States because we take on more high risk cases (not to say that "too posh to push" doesn't exist...
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:37 AM FlagI don't think that a film about home births is necessarily saying that it is the best choice for all women, and I don't think that the Business of Being Born was claiming this. I think it was saying that it is a choice, which is important because not many women know anything about it other than it's for crazy hippies who want to harm their babies. I also think you're wrong that c-s rates are higher in the States because we take on more high risk cases - that can't account for the 1 in 3 c-section rate that we currently have.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:04 AM Flag
That C sections are often safer for babies and in some cases for mothers too.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:28 AM Flag
neither one really. i think the debate about homebirths is pretty polarized, way more than it needs to be. i think it's nice they are providing the pros for homebirths, but i wish someone could provide a more balanced treatment. i think the medical establishment is equally guilty of refusing to be reasonable, though.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 06:40 AM FlagI don't understand why people are so threatened by home births and why the mention of it causes such a dramatic negative reaction.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:26 AM FlagOn the contrary, it is the birth martyrs who rally and lash- no one else cares.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:29 AM Flagor: well i don't think that is true. people in favor of homebirth get criticized on these boards all the time, often by people who are wholly ignorant of the actual safety stats. similarly, women who go to the hospital and get an epidural get insulted for not having a totally natural birth. there are loons on both sides, and they are very vocal.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:32 AM FlagI never see people start posts bashing the homebirther/nurse until college crowd- those women are militant.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:37 AM FlagPretty much every single time a woman says she's thinking of having a homebirth or she had one someone calls her irresponsible and/or crazy. Do a search. I'll wait. Looks like you have a bit of a bias.
[ Reply | More ]01.06.12, 07:50 AM Flag
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Hate it. Blatant untruths in it. Turned my slightly PTSD baby blues into an unhealthy obsession. Wasted almost 2 years of my life I can never get back. We really don't need Michael Odent speculating on the decline of the human race as a result of c-sections, nor sharing "research" (I need to see this one!) that monkeys who have c-sections neglect their babies. This is poisonous and unhelpful. And there are complications which can arise at home which simply can't be dealt with in time. Even a very cautious homebirth midwife wiht a good transport relationship cannot replicate 5 minutes to incision with a full neonatal resus team waiting. You can't know when you'll be that 1 in 1000-2000. If you want unmedicated, go with a CNM in the hospital. Yes, c/s recovery sucks compared to an easy vaginal birth, but there are worse things, and you do not know who will get the easy vaginal birth and who will have a trainwreck, or anything in between. Signed, grateful mom of two c/sec babies (#1 emergency, #2 initially planned VBAC but changed mind).
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[+] Anyone use Dr Jennifer Wu for a VBAC? How was your experience?
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- just did not come down after all that labor. I had a vbac for 2nd dc....
- yes 2nd dc was easier delivery. I almost gave up hope of VBAC too. NYPresbyterian hospital.OB group works IN the hospital....
- - they couldn't get me dilated. the doc let me try vbac but it didn't work out....
Talk : : January 01, 2012
OB nicked my bladder performing C-section early last year. I realize there are risks involved with C-sections but am I completely naive to stay with that OB/practice, as I'd like to have another DC in the next few years and unfortunately, am not a candidate for VBAC. I'm just terrible at making decisions.
24 replies [ Reply | Watch | More01.01.12, 08:30 PM Flag ]OP meant to add that I have no complications now from nicked bladder, but did have to wear a catheter and pee bag for over a week after delivery which was really gross and upsetting.
[ Reply | More ]01.01.12, 08:31 PM Flag-
My c-section was technically not an emergency c-section so I'm not a really good candidate for a VBAC. Was in labor for 24+ hours, pushing for 3+ hours on top of that, and DB was positioned in a manner in that he was probably not coming out vaginally.
[ Reply | More ]01.01.12, 08:35 PM Flagyou sound like me; baby just did not come down after all that labor. I had a vbac for 2nd dc.
[ Reply | More ]01.01.12, 08:37 PM Flagmy first c-section was not an emergency - they couldn't get me dilated. the doc let me try vbac but it didn't work out.
[ Reply | More ]01.01.12, 08:41 PM Flag
I went through a horrendous vaginal delivery (not in US) with my first (she died as a result). I did not think I'd be able to do it again but have twice. Here's what helped me: I asked around until I found what I thought was a TT OB group. I talked my way in (they were high risk). Once in I laid my history on the table and explained that I knew it was my issue but I needed him to go through all his stats and explain what the chances were of the same issue happening, how he would work to prevent it, what the team would do if it did happen again. I think most medical staff will slow down and help you get ok with procedures if you can express why you need to know and that it will help. It is ok to tell nurses etc. You are extra nervous and why. Good staff will meet you more than halfway. Sorry that happened to you.
[ Reply | More ]01.02.12, 07:53 AM Flag
[+] Going on 34 weeks with pregnancy #2. Doctor just determined baby is still in breach ... 5 replies
- I imagine labor is a whole lot more painful than what I went through. The issue with a first c-section is that you will likely need a 2nd one for your second kid and after #2 any births would have to be c-sections (they don't do VBACs after 2 c-sections). if you want to have like 5 kids, a c-section would be a bad option because it's very difficult to have 5 c-sections. anyway, let me know if you have any qs. i have some experience with this and have given it a...
Talk : : December 27, 2011
Going on 34 weeks with pregnancy #2. Doctor just determined baby is still in breach position. Any tricks/exercises/etc to get baby to turn?
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | More12.27.11, 10:30 AM Flag ]i literally stood on my head (well, i layed down with my butt up), but i think the baby turned by itself on 37th week. drs told me not to worry about it until much later with second pregnancy
[ Reply | More ]12.27.11, 10:42 AM FlagI think most babies have turned by this point. There is a procedure that you can have done to turn the baby. I think it's done around 36-38 weeks. My first child was breech and I chose not to have her turned because there are some risks associated with that procedure (risks to baby, risk that the procedure won't work, risk that the procedure will work but then the baby will turn back, and risk that the baby will turn and you will try to have a regular birth but wind up needing a c-section for other reasons). If you don't plan to have lots of kids and you have a good OB, I know I wil be in the minority, but I'd at least consider going with a c-section if the baby doesn't turn on its own. I had 2 c-sections and each one was a breeze. I imagine labor is a whole lot more painful than what I went through. The issue with a first c-section is that you will likely need a 2nd one for your second kid and after #2 any births would have to be c-sections (they don't do VBACs after 2 c-sections). if you want to have like 5 kids, a c-section would be a bad option because it's very difficult to have 5 c-sections. anyway, let me know if you have any qs. i have some experience with this and have given it a lot of thought. Also, are you in NYC? If so, who's your OB?
[ Reply | More ]12.27.11, 11:03 AM FlagBaby will likely turn on its own. Walk a lot. #2 flipped like 10 times in the last 6 weeks of my PG - I had to go for an U/S every week - it was so annoying - head was down when I went into labor - 8 hours later, baby was born. I know it's hard not to stress -but don't stress - they turn on their own.
[ Reply | More ]12.27.11, 12:04 PM Flag
[+] Any recommendations for a pro-VBAC NYC doctor? I like my OBGYN but have a nervous fee... 8 replies
- bradley/rhee practice -- deliver at SLR and are fine with VBAC...
- another vote for Village OB (Worth/Mussalli). Fantastic doctors, I had the VBAC of my dreams with them....
- I loved him and I found him warm and patient and had a very wonderful VBAC experience at VOB....
- worth and mussalli are the VBAC dream team!...
Talk : : December 19, 2011
[+] Ladies who've had an unwanted C-section: For what reason did you have to have one? I'... 25 replies
- #2 and most likely will do a repeat (vs. VBAC)...
- say after having a c/sec for #2 (initially planned VBAC but changed mind at the end due partly to fear...
- why aren't you a candidate for vbac? maybe get a second opinion? (if vbac is what you want. i will likely schedule a c section for my second, not judging -...times. not sure i want to even try for vbac after that. recovery was ok. 6 weeks til i...
Talk : : December 14, 2011
Ladies who've had an unwanted C-section: For what reason did you have to have one? I'm due with #1 in the Spring and don't yet know what to expect with labor.
25 replies [ Reply | Watch | More12.14.11, 10:35 AM Flag ]I didn't, but my friend went into labor which then stopped 6 hours later. It never restarted so they induced her (she was already 10 days past the due date) and the baby went into distress and they sectioned her. Both are doing fine, and my friend's recovery was normal.
[ Reply | More ]12.14.11, 10:37 AM FlagWas in labor 24+ hours, baby was facing down but angled in a way that he was not coming out vaginally. Pushed for close to 3 hours with little progress and was given option to continue pushing for what would be another 3 or so hours, but was worried about DB getting an infection (water had been broken for a few hours at this point) or heart rate plunging, so did not want to end up with an emergency C-section, so told them to cut me open!
[ Reply | More ]12.14.11, 10:53 AM FlagHeart rate decels so I had continuous monitoring while I labored w no meds to 9cm. Then I changed position because I was getting tired and that did something funky to the heart rate. I ended up in the bed getting oxygen and the cervix started to swell shut. Got the C (was very happy to get a guilt-free epidural at that point), and it turned out the baby's cord was three times around his neck -- he wouldn't have made it out.
[ Reply | More ]12.14.11, 11:13 AM FlagDo you already know you are having a C-section or are you in the research/prepare for all scenarios mode? I had mine after 18+ hours of labor, DD really hadn't descended much I was tired and decided it was time (doc wasn't forcing it) for the C-section. I turned out that she had switched positions at some point in labor to transverse, so it was essential. Honestly, really was not bad at all. PG with #2 and most likely will do a repeat (vs. VBAC)
[ Reply | More ]12.14.11, 11:16 AM FlagDB was completely upside down (thanks, baby! After weeks of special yoga positions, spending 20 minutes a day with my ass in the air, etc.) and I was dilating fast, umbilical cord dangerously close to falling out, which is dangerous for the baby's oxygen supply.
[ Reply | More ]12.14.11, 11:52 AM FlagI had a c-section with my first baby. Everything was going well during my entire pregnancy so I didn't prepare myself for one. I thought to myself...I won't need that...I'll be fine. So, when the Dr told me that I needed an emergency c-section I was so disappointed and upset. I was dilated and still wanted to continue pushing, but Dr didn't think I was making progress fast enough and the baby's heart rate was dropping so before I knew it I was being wheeled away for surgery.
[ Reply | More ]12.16.11, 11:39 AM Flagmy water broke and i labored for over 12 hours at hospital many of that dilated at 9 for hours. No progression. Dc was ultimately on side and had c section.
[ Reply | More ]12.16.11, 11:44 AM FlagI had a similar situation with you, but i was in labor for 4 hrs. Only spent one hr of pushing before I was taken to have a c-section. I'm not sure if my situation was considered rushed into c-section. Seems like a lot of people I know with a similar situation were given a longer chance to push before resorting to surgery.
[ Reply | More ]12.19.11, 05:18 AM Flag
With #1, water broke and I didn't go into labor. This was hardly covered in the hospital's childbirth class except to say it probably won't happen. Called doctor, brought in right away - attending wanted me to do Pitocin but I wanted natural so delayed it. Not allowed intermittent monitoring or walking, which at the time I was upset about. 6 hours later with no real labor, accepted Pitocin but it took another 3 hrs to get it administered because of doctor availability. Got not-so-great epidural 4 hrs after that. After 27 hrs since water broke, developed a fever, DS' heartrate spiked, and I had been stalled at 6.5 for 3 hrs. C-section was called and DS had to have 24 hrs IV antibiotics in NICU. I was scared out of my mind when the surgery was called but can say after having a c/sec for #2 (initially planned VBAC but changed mind at the end due partly to fear and partly to things looking not so good for success) that all c/sec are not created equal and the c/sec itself is not such a horrible thing. You'll be fine. Prepare yourself that it may happen. I really thought there was absolutely no way I'd have one for #1, and I dwelled on it a lot more than I should have.
[ Reply | More ]01.09.12, 11:49 AM Flaghad a midwife follow me throughout pregnancy. no ultrasound. no ob. little intervention (antibiotics for uti). Planned for a natural birth at a standalone birth centre. read all the natural birth literature, anatomy, midwifery textbooks, etc.. Laboured for 32+ hours. 24h between 7.5 and 9.5 cm. exhausted, couldn't eat, contractions 30 seconds apart and lasted for 2 minutes but never making it to fully dilated. decided to transfer to hospital for epidural and rest before pushing. docs responded exactly as i expected them to. epi didnt work. efm said heart rate was dropping.. bam emergency c-section. under general no less because 3 epidurals didn't numb me enough. apgar was 2. 2! woke up w DS in nicu. out within 12h. made me feed him formula to keep his glucose up so he didn't have to be sent back to nicu. bad times. not sure i want to even try for vbac after that. recovery was ok. 6 weeks til i could hang laundry. 10 weeks til heavy lifting.
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