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Nokia's exclusive apps put into question Microsoft's Windows Phone philosophy
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1. Coolaaron88 posted on 12 4
You make it sound like all of the apps that are exclusive to Nokia Lumia devices are like that forever. They are timed exclusives meaning they will be available to everyone at some point. I feel like this article is over-sensationalizing this entire exclusive app issue.
5. MichaelHeller posted on 6 7
Given the market situation of Windows Phone a one year exclusive is a much bigger deal than a timed-exclusive on an established system like Android. WP is in a very tenuous situation where no one is happy.
28. azafirster posted on 1 1
Yeah I agree, try having a peek at their customer feedback website at main WP site, the number of complaints are increasing, the categories of problem are swelling, no updates as yet. The number of complaints there shows a grim customer experience. They don't just have these exclusive-with-nokia apps going on, try do a research on regionalizing marketplace. Apple and android don't do this, not to my knowledge. Singapore and malaysia has different marketplace alltogether, but geographically we are neighbours, and yet WP (in my case nokia) gives different marketplace.
8. AndroidShiz posted on 4 8
When you have a phone that sucks lizard balls in SALES already, having exclusives for 6 to 12 months is stupid. Then again Microsoft kinda forces the other manufactures to make Windows phones in exchange for not making the questionable patent fees they have to pay for parts of Android even higher. If not for being forced, I doubt any of these manufactures, except the Microsoft Manchurian candidate led Nokia, would even make them, any more than they would produce a Blackberry or Palm. Android and iPhone represent perpetual prosperity, while Windows Phone is much like a failed economy that the government keeps pouring money into even though the masses will never choose it in impressive numbers. In others words it ain't making any "REAL" money anytime soon. I'm not dissing it, it just truthfully is not the choice of most people. I tried it full heartedly, and went right back to my GSM Galaxy Sexus. Not getting another phone until the next REAL Android from Google launches again.
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2. Whodaboss posted on 8 2
I have no problems with phone makers having their exclusive rights for certian or with any developers for any software design. None whatsoever. Each phone maker should at least attempt to make their device distinctive and pleasing to the public. Don't blame Nokia. Thank goodness for Nokia at least they are putting in the effort instead of this wait and see attitude. If WP fails it sure won't be because of Nokia. This is why I will purchase a Lumia 900 once it or if it hits TMo.
3. steelicon posted on 4 1
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This is what happens when you abandon something wonderful. Someone takes it away and then you realize you've thrown away the family jewels.
26. tigerforce7 posted on 2 1
Aye. I never had the chance to use Harmattan but it looked pretty sweet. Hopefully Nokia can carry on some of its ideas in their Windows Phones.
4. ron1niro posted on 8 5
Why phonearena? Again, painting a picture that is not exactly right. First of all, nokia maps, nokia drive and nokia transit belong to nokia and therefore, they can choose whether to share them or not. Second, the exclusive apps are only going to be so for a certain amount of time, next, Nokia is investing a lot into windows phone, the moment you hear windows phone, you think of Lumia, other manufacturers are not investing much of their time or resources on windows phone, so nokia deserves this. If samsung or htc want, they can also strike deals with other developers. This could also be good for the platform since other manufacturers may also start thinking of doing something special to keep up with Nokia. Who's playing catch up now huh?
6. MichaelHeller posted on 7 2
The issue isn't Nokia Maps or Nokia Drive, because as is said in the article, those are being distributed to the rest of the ecosystem as part of the partnership deal.
It would be great if other manufacturers try to compete with Nokia, but given that the success of WP isn't yet assured, it may end up that the manufacturers just abandon the platform instead, which could be more trouble for Microsoft.
7. joeymk posted on 3 2
They have it under control. Don't you worry. And google ha, google is crying for buying Motorola.
9. Glim12808 posted on 6 2
It's too early to tell whether the alarmist stance of Michael H. is correct or not. But I have a gut feeling that had MS left the marketing and the spreading of the WP platform in the hands of Samsung, HTC, LG, et al, marketshare of WP would still be stagnating in the doldrums of 0.5% area. These OEMs are just too invested in Android to find the time, expend effort, spend money in promoting WP. And I don't blame them. They are all in the business of making money and it is in Android where they are making the most money.
On the other hand, It was only when Nokia entered the picture that marketshare of WP begun to pick-up. And it's not surprising why Nokia is so invested in WP. They need the billions that only MS can make available to them! Google too has those billions. But why would Google put those billions out for Nokia when it has already the big boys, Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG, et al, in its corner?
Whether it's good for business or not, only time will tell. I think things will become clearer when WP8 comes around. But in any case, I can't blame MS for pandering to Nokia because MS needs Nokia, just as much as Nokia needs MS! As the cliche goes, it's a marriage made in heaven. LOL!
13. MichaelHeller posted on 7 0
As I've said before, Android has spoiled manufacturers. It used to be that they could only differentiate in hardware and proprietary apps, but then Android gave the option to differentiate the UI. Once that happened manufacturers could market devices and show off all their features. But with WP, marketing would be showing off Microsoft's UI and manufacturers now feel like that's paying to advertise Microsoft not the proprietary features.
10. Penny posted on 3 2
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I was under the impression that each manufacturer can make apps exclusively for itself. So Nokia can make apps only for Nokias, and HTC can make apps exclusively for HTC (like the HTC Hub that I have).
If what I am thinking is the case, then it's not an exclusivity as much as it is something to differentiate, which all manufacturers can do. Microsoft releasing a Bing/Drive Hybrid later down the road does not seem egregious to me either. Think about it this way: due to their partnership, Nokia is continuing to develop in its own areas of specialization (mapping, camera) and is going to implement it in its own windows phones as a point of differentiation. However, because the partnership is in place, they will also share these developments with Microsoft to share platform-wide. In order to get these advancements, Microsoft offers Nokia greater access to Windows Phone's source code and development process.
Bottom line is that Microsoft definitely is favoring Nokia over other hardware manufacturers, but they are getting something worthwhile in return: more rapid development of advanced features and more dedicated marketing for the entire platform. Not saying this isn't favoritism, but it works in favor of Microsoft, and thus their platform, and thus the other manufacturers as well.
12. MichaelHeller posted on 4 0
The difference is between making proprietary apps and buying exclusivity of third party apps that everyone wants.
48. remixfa posted on 1 0
If nokia is getting a rovio exclusive, I'd call foul on that. There is no reason for it.
However, the other apps, other than Nokia Drive, I dont see a problem with.
I know we've had our conversations about the devices, and just like i mentioned with you, i say to every customer... if you want a WP7 device, right now u need a Nokia so you can get the GPS/Maps integration.
Thats great for nokia, but bad for the ecosystem because that a huge and important part of any smartphone now. Having part of the ecosystem with such an important service, and the other half without makes a dangerously strong tilt towards the half that does. The HTC Radar all but stopped selling the moment the Lumia 710 came out, and the GPS was by far the biggest reason.
Will other manufacturers leave Windows Phone? Who's actually making WP7 devices right now? Its pretty much just Nokia, Samsung and HTC. I doubt any of the 3 of them will leave the arena unless its just too heavily tilted towards Nokia to the point they cant profit. Nokia obviously isnt leaving. HTC has a long and successful history with MS so I dont think they would drop it unless they had to. Samsung likes having a wide portfolio and also has a long history with MS, so the same applies to them. However, it will definitely keep other partners from entering the fray unless things change.
Those 3 manufacturers all have their points of power. Nokia has GPS integrations and cameras, HTC loves integrating and simplifying common tasks, and Samsung is the hardware king that is a solid jack of all trades and master of none.
11. tward291 posted on 1 1
This is a great thing at the day if Nokia is the only one making windows phones so b it there the best anyway. Microsoft should just let Nokia make windows phone no one else puts time in except maybe htc. Then once t takes offthe others would try to hop on but it be to late Nokia would dominate te market. When you think windows you think Nokia anyway. And Ms should never allow poems to change the skin they need to compete on apps and specs
16. jimjam posted on 6 3
If you want those apps that bad just buy a Nokia wp7 ... Problem solved.
32. raunak posted on 1 0
that's the point here, that if everyone is forced to buy Lumias then other manufacturers MIGHT get frustrated and abandon WP.
