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Google clones Dropbox: lock, stock, and privacy gaffe

By | April 24, 2012, 8:17pm PDT

Summary: Google Drive looks like just another ho-hum Dropbox clone. Same feature set, same market positioning. But was it really necessary for Google to copy the outrageously unfair terms of service Dropbox published and then hastily dropped last summer?

What color is the sun on Planet Google?

Seriously, does this company breathe the same air the rest of us humans do?

Yesterday, Google debuted its long-rumored Google Drive service. As far as I can tell, it’s a ho-hum Dropbox clone, mashed up with Google Docs. I can’t tell for myself because Google is still “preparing my drive” and will “email me when it’s ready.” So all I can do is rely on the reports of journalists who were granted early access, all of whom happened to be Google fans. Hmmm.

But if you’re going to clone someone else’s product, maybe you could look back at that company’s history and avoid making the same dumb mistakes they did?

Not on Planet Google.

Last July, Dropbox published a revised Terms of Service. A revision published on July 1, 2011, originally contained this jaw-dropping paragraph:

By submitting your stuff to the Services, you grant us (and those we work with to provide the Services) worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable rights to use, copy, distribute, prepare derivative works (such as translations or format conversions) of, perform, or publicly display that stuff to the extent reasonably necessary for the Service.

Within days, Dropbox revised its TOS again, adding a clarifying sentence: “This license is solely to enable us to technically administer, display, and operate the Services.” But the damage had already been done. It’s hard to recover trust when it’s lost.

Last summer, I looked at the Terms of Service for Dropbox and its competitors. I’ve now updated that post with a fresh look at the terms of service for Apple, Google, Dropbox, Microsoft, and more: Your data, your rights: how fair are online storage services?

So today, Google Drive debuts, with an equally jaw-dropping terms of service:

Your Content in our Services: When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide licence to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes that we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content.

Did no one in Mountain View look at that document and say, “I wonder what our users will think of this?” Apparently not. Did anyone say, “Hey, remember when Dropbox did this and had to apologize for an entire week?” I guess not.

Google PR is now trying to walk back the damage. In a statement to Business Insider, a spokesperson tried the “stop, drop, and roll” gambit recommended when you have accidentally set yourself on fire:

A Google spokesperson pointed us to a few passages that should help clear things up. To put it in context, Google’s policy is very similar to Dropbox’s…

Here’s the key passages from Google’s terms of service you should know:

“Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.”

So Google only needs to access your files in order to deliver them to your Google Drive account on the web, phone, tablet, etc. It’s very limited.

Feel reassured? Yeah, me neither.

Last summer Ben Schorr provided an excellent analysis of the Drobpbox TOS:

Even the botox fanatics among you should have a raised eyebrow at this point. The very words “distribute” and “publicly display” should be all you really need to hear.

Now some of you are saying “Oh, sure, the agreement says that but they won’t really DO it.” Fair enough. Many of you reading this are lawyers (I know my audience), would you encourage your client to sign an agreement that says the other side has the right to do something onerous with the caveat that “I know it says they’re allowed to do it, but they won’t really do it.” This agreement gives them permission to do it. Do you take their word that they won’t? Up to you.

Google used those exact same words, with absolutely no awareness that a direct competitor had already made the exact same mistake just a few months earlier.

It’s a perfect example of Google’s inability to pay even the slightest bit of attention to anything that happens outside the Googleplex.

I can’t wait to see whose other mistakes show up when I finally get a chance to look at Google Drive.

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droit de seigneur
dsf3g Updated - 2 days ago
I especially liked this part of the contract:

"By uploading pictures of your fiancee to Google Drive, you grant Larry Page droit du seigneur over your bride-to-be."



Of course, Google's lawyers quickly explained that Page would never actually exercise that right... unless she were super duper hot.

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Points Well Made, Ed
dvanderwerken 3 hrs ago
Ed,

You points are well made. One would think that Google would've paid attention to the DropBox fiasco and have learned a lesson there.

I for one will take a "wait and see" approach to using these cloud storage services. I have a couple 50GB accounts with Box and a couple GB with DropBox. I might store some pictures of the kids and such up there. I could care less what anyone does with them. Nothing I really care to keep private will go on the cloud until I get a better idea of what is being done with it.
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So does this mean...
Cylon Centurion 2 days ago
... Google Drive also has the same log on credentials slip up? And people call me insane for not "going Google". Its TOS is all but word for word a copy of DropBox's. Unbelievable.
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Gropbox.
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Unbelievable?
danbi 2 days ago
If it won't be Google to "borrow" it, then who else?
And they want people to pay for giving them a perpetual use and sync licence?

I'd better go and read what the new common TOS says about our YouTube content.
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When was the last time that Google did anything original and not a "me too" product?
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google is the most innovative company
The Linux Geek 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
they created google+, android and many others in the last 5 years.
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heh.
henningp@... Updated - 2 days ago
Could you possible have chosen worse products for your comparison? Google+ is a twitter/facebook ripoff, android was created directly to compete with iOS (same grids/icons/layout)...

At least gMail is innovative.
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They bought android!
the.nameless.drifter 2 days ago
wackose does have a point, aside from google+ and obviously the original search algorithm when was the last time google organically created something?

If you think buying companies and rebranding is innovation then surely IBM or Dell are more innovative companies as they buy lots of companies?
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Back to the fry station little boy...
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
smoke break is over.
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Innovative, in one field
danbi 2 days ago
They are very innovative in one thing: to steal from others.

Software, ideas, designs, services, your private data.. You name it.
Well, not stealing, that is not politically correct with readers to our friends Google - they are only borrowing. Creatively at that.
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@henningp
techadmin.cc@... 2 days ago
Google+ is a twitter/facebook ripoff, android was created directly to compete with iOS (same grids/icons/layout)..."

If Google+ was Facebook ripoff why did it have featrues that facebook did not have until they ripped them off from Google+?

Grids/icons/layout were already prior art long before Apple used it for IOS. Icons in a grid layout was around before Apple or MS used them in their earliest OSes (both having ripped it off from Xerox). http://microsoft-news.com/bill-gates-response-to-steve-jobs-on-windows-rip-off-claim/

The actual icons are near universal (as they must be so that when someone sees an icon for USB or email they know what they are looking at). Apples icons for the most part look like icons used in the computer industry for decades before the Iphone.

There was nothing new or innovative about touch screens and icons in a grid layout on multiple "home" screens either. The same interface was used by Palm and Windows CE devices which were only lacking a cellular antennas and 3G technology for high speed data to become "smartphones".

Multi-touch capability is the only innovative technology in any modern smartphone and it was not developed by Apple either. Many companies were working on multi-touch when Apple bought out one of the companies researching it. The university of Toronto began research on multi-touch in 1982 and developed the first multi-touch tablet (yes, tablet!) based on capacitance in 1985. (Now just when did the Ipad come out?) Apple acquired Fingerworks one of the companies leading in multi-touch technology in 2005 and was the first to implement it in a mobile device in (2006) for the consumer but its use predates even Fingerworks and there are many implementations of the technology.

There is no progress today that is not based upon the works of others. Google no more "copied" Apple than Apple copied others that came before Apple.
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Define "Original".
Chadzo69 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
Chrome has been almost absurdly successful. While a new browser certainly isn't "anything original", the fact that Firefox and IE have changed their product to resemble Chrome in virtually every way imaginable is pretty impressive. I guess I just don't understand the Google hate. They make some mistakes, and they do some great stuff. What's to hate?
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Not hate, fear...
PollyProteus 2 days ago
...as in "all your bases are belong to us". If their TOS says they have a right to use any content you upload for whatever purposes they desire and you agree then upload, then basically you are surrendering all copyrights to that content. Basically, you upload it, you retain ownership copyrights but you transfer indefinite usage copyrights to Google as long as the content remains on their systems, which can be a very long time, because while you may delete it from the original store where you placed it, Google has backups and redundancies, they have copied and altered for their own purposes which means the altered version (even if it's one pixel in a photo) is theirs and theirs alone. You don't get mutual copyright exchange of the work they've altered.
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@PollyProteus
techadmin.cc@... 2 days ago
I can't say I like the TOS and I was unaware that DRopbox had used those same TOS either. Facebook, also has similar TOS as do most providers of "free" services if you care to check.

I'm not excusing Google but why is Google the only company getting called out on this?
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you've got a point, but
runnerup 2 days ago
consumers are better off with 'innovation' and 'competition'. they are doing at least one thing right.
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Funny reading the haters
ktw.zd.net 2 days ago
I think that that are on par with apple, except that apple markets better.
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Google Earth
Doctor Demento 2 days ago
What competing product does Google Earth copy?

Heck, it's difficult to think of a technology company that comes up with truly 'new' ideas.

Apple? There were tablets before the iPad, Mp3 players before the iPod, and smartphones before the iPhone.

Microsoft? There were game consoles before the X Box and Mp3 players before the Zune.

Who does anything genuinely new?
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Google Earth was an acquisition
terjeb@... 2 days ago
>> What competing product does Google Earth copy?

None. It was an acquisition that Google basically messed up. Acquisitions are not innovation. Does anyone outside of CNN actually use Google Earth anymore?
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I blame journalists, not Google or Dropbox
jpgoldberg 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
I wrote about the Dropbox Terms of Service issue when it first appeared, trying to explain that the ToS were not pernicious.

In my final update to that post, I wrote

"As a whole, we don???t pay enough attention to these [Terms of Service statements], and it is good news that people are paying more attention. But it also takes some time to learn how to read them. If something seems fishy, ask for an explanation before jumping to the conclusion that something is evil. If you are part of the technology press your job is to do your homework instead of just regurgitating hot stories for clicks. The press??? job is to investigate, analyze and explain."

Cheers,

-j
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In some ways this is ridiculous, because we can't pay enough attention, there just isn't enough time in the day. A quick look through my browser history says that I accessed at least ten websites yesterday, not including indirects and framed content. Accessing this page alone hits FOURTEEN different sites according to NoScript. And if I were to read and comprehend all of the ToS legalese associated with these websites, the day would be over, probably tomorrow as well.

Never in history has a common consumer been presented with hundreds of pages a day of contracts that they must agree to just to browse the web. And never in history have such sweeping terms, constraints and conditions been enforced on people who are simply accessing information the same way they would do in a physical library.

So things need to change. I don't know when or even if it will happen, unless more common users start ending up in court on a regular basis for violating unconscionable Terms of Services.
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Since when are TOS or EULAs
arminw 2 days ago
enforceable contracts, such as a loan agreement or other signed and notarized written contract? I know that these companies clearly like people to believe that their mile-long pieces of legalese are enforceable legal documents. So far at least they have not been able to buy enough politicians or hire enough lawyers to make their TOS or EULAs enforceable law.
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What needs to change is
techadmin.cc@... 2 days ago
that we need laws that grant us certain rights that cannot be given away by a simple click thru TOS. I read a while back about walk through TOS that merely by walking past a sign you gave up whatever rights they required of you just for merely walking by. Certainly I think the courts would not uphold some of the more "pernicious" (I like the word jpgoldberg and I'm not sure why your post is getting negged but I +1'd it.) but we need more assurances that our rights cannot be run over by those who think they can write contracts to remove our rights.

@arminw

It is true that some of these TOS contracts have been challenged and did not hold up in court. The problem is that you have to take them to court. What we need is for the court to outline for these lawyers what is valid and invalid stipulation for a TOS.
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Ed Bott 2 days ago
If you go back and read what I wrote last July, you'll see that even Dropbox admitted that simply getting their ToS technically correct wasn't good enough. If you're selling a mass service to a mass audience that doesn't possess law degrees, you need to go the extra step and make your ToS understandable to that audience.

To their credit, they did exactly that, very quickly.

As a journalist, I read ToS carefully, and I write about them often. As an author, I also read and sign contracts regularly. This sort of wording matters. One can't rely on a company's goodwill to override onerous terms. What happens if new management steps in and discovers that they are sitting on a potentially lucrative asset and they decide to exercise those rights, consequences be damned?
Ed, can you point me to a user-centered TOS?
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a la ...
barnesie@... Updated - 2 days ago
... Oracle perhaps?
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Well Well.
dheeraj.nagpal@... 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
So you would call Microsoft Terms of Agreement or Licensing where they sell you their OS but you don't own the copy fair.
Maybe you will, after all that is Microsoft.
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Microsoft licensing...
PollyProteus 2 days ago
@dheeraj.nagpal:

Microsoft doesn't sell you a copy of the software, they sell you a license to use software and proved a copy of the software you've licenced to use.

If Microsoft sold you a copy of the software itself, they would have to provide you with the source code as well. That's why their terms of service specifically say "a license".
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@PollyProteus
techadmin.cc@... 2 days ago
I know what you want to believe, based on MS wording in their TOS, but if I buy a computer or a CD and it has a copy the software then they have just sold me a copy of the software... and a license to use it. A license to use a piece of software without a copy of that software is like selling me a license to use a shovel but not selling me the shovel. No one would buy a shovel without license to use it or a license to use shovels without a shovel to use. It is not possible to get around this basic fact using legalese.
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@ coffeegroup
MrElectrifyer 1 day ago
You search for a TOS that is 100% user centred is gonna go on for decades if you don't already know about flash drives; those TOS (on some of their packages) are 100% user centred and the user has full control of what they put on it. happy
Many if not most journalists don't understand this simple truth. If you put anything on the Internet that is not encrypted with at least 128 bit encryption, it can be obtained by anyone with enough motivation and money. This is especially true of any and all governments. TOS and EULAs are meaningless pieces of lawyer gibberish. Anyone can do anything they want with any content put on the Internet. Only those that have enough money to buy lawyers, politicians and courts can defend their IP once it is out on the wilds of the Internet.
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@arminw
techadmin.cc@... 2 days ago
"Only those that have enough money to buy lawyers, politicians and courts can defend their IP once it is out on the wilds of the Internet."

This is exactly why we need the courts to limit what stipulations a TOS has so that we do not get taken advantage of by those who have the money to keep lawyers on retainer. Of course there's little we can do about unauthorized use of our IP but we need the courts protection to ensure that large corporations do not have carte blanche to set unreasonable TOS.
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I expect this issue will be fixed
Romberry 2 days ago
Google looks like they let a lawyer (or two or three) run with the ball without carefully directing them towards the goal. I expect that these terms will be changed in relatively short order.
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@Romberry
techadmin.cc@... 2 days ago
I suspect the same thing. TOS contracts are entrusted to lawyers to be written to protect the company from lawsuits and ensure that they have the rights they need in order to provide and, yes, to profit from the services they provide. Google should fire their attorneys who drafted this piece of crap TOS (probably by copying some other TOS contract). I doubt that Google's attorney's copied it from Dropbox but I'll bet they copied it from the same resource as Dropbox's attorney's.

Most of these rights are absolutely necessary for Google to provide the services or to profit from the services they provide. Here is an analysis of the contract:

"a worldwide licence to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes that we make so that your content works better with our Services)"

use - The word "use" is a bit vague but their privacy policy should cover what use they will and will not make of your data.

host, store, reproduce - It must be assumed that if you upload a file for hosting that they then have the permission to host it or their would be no service. They must also have permission to store the file and they must be able to reproduce that file in order to back up the data they are storing.

modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes that we make so that your content works better with our Services) - Like it or not Google makes money from this service they provide to you for free. In order to do so they must be able to modify or translate text in order to have their search algorithms be able to parse the data. I don't have a problem with this as long as that is as far as the use of my data goes. I could care less if a document I upload unencrypted to is parsed by an automated system that then serves me up an advertisement which would be there anyway when I surfed the web. Anything I don't want parsed and indexed I will encrypt.

communicate, publish - Communication and publication of the data is integral to the function of the service, depending onthe axact definition of those terms. The privacy policy should inform the user of just what is meant by those terms. (The privacy policy, I would hope, would be considered a contract that the company cannot just break and there should also be certain rights of privacy that cannot be taken away by a company's "right to change their policies at any time").

publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. - I'm not sure exactly what is meant by publicly perform (maybe thats why Dropbox's attorney's omitted that particular term) and I wonder if the lawyers really knew either. This part of the contract is the really concerning one but I suspect that it was included primarily because it was copied from some general contract.

I'm pretty sure that the TOS will be rewritten and I will chalk this up to just another one of Google's boneheaded mistakes. But look at Facebooks TOS for comparison. Their TOS has some pretty outrageous terms as well and they aren't in any hurry to change them.
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Not all file types
wmac1 2 days ago
Google drive is not equal to Dropbox.

- It just supports specific type of files.

- Drop box has the undo capability. If you remove a folder by mistake you can undelete.
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Missing the point...
GoodThings2Life 2 days ago
You're missing the point of the article.
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Seriously, there are lots of other perfectly good services without this issue--DropBox fixed this ages ago. SkyDrive doesn't have this problem. Use one of them instead.
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Different Services.
pjones 2 days ago
Although I have an account with DropBox and use it sparingly. I also have one with SugarSync. Anyone know about them?
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Keep dropbox with 32GB free tip
winch103 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
BTW, for those who are limited with their dropbox account, you can easily get up to 32Go free by inviting people. I found this very interesting website to share my referral link :

the ref'Around project http://www.refaround.com/dropbox

I already referred 16 people for dropbox there, but there are many other offers like Directv ($100 for the referrer AND the referee), verizon, AT&T; ... Nice catch of the month this site !!
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droit de seigneur
dsf3g Updated - 2 days ago Top Rated
I especially liked this part of the contract:

"By uploading pictures of your fiancee to Google Drive, you grant Larry Page droit du seigneur over your bride-to-be."



Of course, Google's lawyers quickly explained that Page would never actually exercise that right... unless she were super duper hot.
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Actaman 2 days ago
I do beleive it was also called 'droit de cuissage'...*wink* or *clin d'oeil*
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The Privacy Ideal
DTS, Your Linux Advocate Updated - 2 days ago
I have spent considerable time looking at the Internet Privacy Issue.

At least in the U.S. Tort Law provides its citizens the right to 'solitude and seclusion' and that extends to the Internet.

Trends

This solitary Man, Nick Merrill, has been fighting his own battle to uphold Privacy. It has not reached the news only until recently because of National Security Letters:

h t t p : / / n e w s . c n e t . c o m / 8 3 0 1 - 3 1 9 2 1 _ 3 - 5 7 4 1 2 2 2 5 - 2 8 1 / t h i s - i n t e r n e t - p r o v i d e r - p l e d g e s - t o - p u t - y o u r - p r i v a c y - f i r s t - a l w a y s /

Fundamentally, the way ISPs govern themselves must change or there will never be true privacy, the kind you expect when you are at home behind closed doors.

I have fiddled with various protocols to determine what serves the public best in protecting their privacy and have come down to just one 'prototypical' application:

R E T R O S H A R E

What makes it different?

o DHT serverless decentralized
o Friend-to-Friend GnuPG 2048-bit RSA encryption keys
o Messaging, Spamless-email, File Sharing, Chat

No amount of snooping can penetrate this technology nor can it be taken down short of taking down the Internet.

Nick Merrill, is a courageous Pioneer who if successful will lay the foundation for a new Internet where Citizen rights are truly put first.

Until then, you may as well stay off the Internet or use R E T R O S H A R E.

[
Edit: Here is my F2F Key:
h t t p s : / / d t s c h m i t z . c o m / a b o u t / f 2 f k e y
]
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Torts are traditionally state-law based.

This sentence is so general that it is of little help -- "At least in the U.S. Tort Law provides its citizens the right to 'solitude and seclusion' and that extends to the Internet."
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Maybe not.
WATKINS12@... 2 days ago
Usually, if you agree to a contract you may be giving up rights, including privacy. The big example is union contracts. The members may or may not be screwed by the employer, depending on what the negotiators agree to; most union members will vote for the contract if the carrot(s) obscure the sticks.
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Wow, I called this one with Google stealing the user's property. And they wonder why their services is a sinking ship.
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nt
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Where companies want me to store my info
Loverock Davidson- 2 days ago
You know, like Google who wants me to store my files on their servers using a login and password. That should be private but Google doesn't want it to be.
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Do you advocate a place which offers true privacy, if so, where?
DTS, Your Linux Advocate 2 days ago Below threshold | Show anyway
nt
A private hardware device. Buffalo Drive Store, Seagate, and Pogoplug, all have hardware to setup in your own office. With those devices you have your own private cloud that you have control over.

That is the way we went, works well for us.

Bubba Jones
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Why
WATKINS12@... 2 days ago
I can't understand why anyone would store files on the Internet. If you need to access files from a computer, get a subscription to GoToMYPC or some other such product.
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then why do they need to spell out their legal right to do so??


FYI: I like the part where they talk about using content for syndication services, and with partners. Last time I checked, Google considers their advertising business (which is to say, the way they make money) as a syndicated service. Also, customers buying ad space are considered partners. So with that whole statement in their TOS, they can not only legally display your content in public, but also sell it to anybody they are doing business with - and that includes malicious customers that buy up space for malware ads.

To use a South Park clich??, their business model goes like this:

1) Offer the sheep free Web 2.0 services and collect their data.
2) ? (Insert Larry Page doing one of his gummy grins here)
3) Profit.
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Points Well Made, Ed
dvanderwerken 3 hrs ago
Ed,

You points are well made. One would think that Google would've paid attention to the DropBox fiasco and have learned a lesson there.

I for one will take a "wait and see" approach to using these cloud storage services. I have a couple 50GB accounts with Box and a couple GB with DropBox. I might store some pictures of the kids and such up there. I could care less what anyone does with them. Nothing I really care to keep private will go on the cloud until I get a better idea of what is being done with it.

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