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  • [-]coming to portland next week with my 5 year old daughter for a "girls trip" will be there for 4 days, what should we do? coming from Seattle

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    03.12.12, 11:58 AM Flag ]
    • Voodoo donuts.

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      03.12.12, 12:04 PM Flag
      • hows the zoo?

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        03.12.12, 12:05 PM Flag
        • Great! The science center (OMSI?) is also great!

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          03.12.12, 12:12 PM Flag
          • oh I will check that out too, is there somewhere to rent bikes from? were staying downtown, and all she wants to do is ride bikes.Thanks!!

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            03.12.12, 12:21 PM Flag
            • not from Portland, sorry, but I'm sure there is! Ask at your hotel. And have fun! (Oh, also just remembered - there is a fun cable car that you can ride between two different branches of the hospital, which has great views...)

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              03.12.12, 12:24 PM Flag
    • powell's (of course), rhododendron garden (you won't be sorry), med food at nicolas's, thai at pok pok, omsi, and most important--the penny arcade on belmont!!! also she might like eating pizza while watching a movie at one of the movie theatres (on hawthorne for example).

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      03.12.12, 03:10 PM Flag
      • also drive down the columbia gorge and look at multnomah falls and the other waterfalls! if you are ambitious you can go all the way to stonehenge. you could also take a trip up to the overlook hotel on mount hood and throw snowballs and eat at the lodge restaurant. or stop in hood river and watch the windsurfers and have some pizza or a burger.

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        03.12.12, 03:14 PM Flag
      • you are amazing!! thanks so much

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        03.13.12, 03:47 PM Flag
  • [-]WWYD? Our neighbors who became our good friends are going through a divorce. Now, the wife is constantly critiquing my marriage, my kids, how my husband is, etc and it is driving me crazy. What would you do?

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    • Create boundaries.

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      04.19.10, 11:36 AM Flag
    • Create some distance! Does she think you are favoring her ex-husband? Our neighbors also went through a divorce. We were friends with both of them. The woman was cheating on the man and then refused to go to counseling... husband was heartbroken. They had just finished building a home together in the country! Woman moved out of the apartment, so we would have the husband over for dinner. He was so lonely, we weren't trying to take sides or anything. Made the wife furious though.

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      04.19.10, 11:58 AM Flag
      • I have no idea-they are lovely people but frankly DH and I could never figure out what they had in common. She's kind of attacking everything-said my DS trashed her DD's room (he didn't), my DH has trouble saying "NO" and she said that is bad, crap like that-no one has moved out yet. This is awful.

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        04.19.10, 12:04 PM Flag
      • Living through it, I just don't think it is as clear cut as one is cheating and won't go to counseling. There are two sides, always.

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        04.19.10, 12:14 PM Flag
        • Oh I don't doubt it. They got married young (mid-20s), got thrown into the hell of building a home from the ground up, and the wife still liked to go out and party. I think she just felt tied down to early--and her dh wanted to start having kids. I don't think she is "bad" or anything. The DH was just kind of stunned when he found out about the cheating and that she was leaving.

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          04.19.10, 12:59 PM Flag
    • Be direct. Tell ehr to stop. Tell her you love being friends with her, but you feel under a microscope, and you dont like it.

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      04.19.10, 12:03 PM Flag
    • Why would she critique YOUR kids or YOUR husband..I can see talking down her own, but yours? You need to stop talking with her about anything but weather until she gets her head back together. If she wants to discuss her broken life, fine, you are all ears, if she needs to shit down on your parade, tell he, sorry but I am all out of time today!

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      04.19.10, 12:07 PM Flag
    • Sounds like she is going through a tough time and lashing out - but this behavior is not fair to you and your family. Distance yourself. If she asks why - be honest.

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      04.19.10, 12:24 PM Flag
    • Let her know that you value her friendship and want to support her but any discussion of your marriage and home life is off limits.

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      01.30.12, 01:24 PM Flag
  • [-]How bad would it be to get a trampoline with side netting for my 3 & 6 yo?

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    • i think it would be great, just make sure there is ALWAYS an adult supervising and keeping them from getting too rough in their play. trampoline is my kids FAVORITE activity and the people who shriek not to get them should not let anyone have a swimming pool, either. they key is proper supervision at all times.

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      07.08.09, 03:17 PM Flag
      • np. Only one kid on at a time too. Watch out if friends etc use it because of insurance.

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        07.08.09, 03:27 PM Flag
    • insurance is a big deal - most homeowners' policies won't cover it. for a reason.

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      07.08.09, 03:31 PM Flag
    • American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that trampolines never be used. Friend who is a pediatric orthopedist knows why....

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      07.08.09, 04:58 PM Flag
      • np. Despite this, I've been tempted to get one. Both my kids have had broken limbs from other activities not shunned by the AAP.

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        07.28.09, 05:07 PM Flag
        • np: no disrespect, but children do hurt themselves as they grow up. does this mean you'll place them in greater risk than the norm?

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          07.28.09, 05:12 PM Flag
          • Well, exactly. I guess I could not take them skiing, but I'm going to, although that may not be the "norm" for many children. I'm tempted to get a trampoline too, but so far I've resisted...

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            07.28.09, 05:24 PM Flag
            • lol...skiing is definitely not something your pediatrician will tell you not to do. there's a reason they aren't covered by insurance...and skiing is. if you don't get this, good luck to you.

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              07.28.09, 05:45 PM Flag
    • Have you considered an inground trampoline? My sister used to have one and it was awesome! If you were really safety concious you could do an inground trampoline plus a safety net.

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  • [-]20 wks pregnant and eating like crazy, I think I gained 5 lbs. this week alone. Craving walnuts, radicchio, endive, sardines and other fish. Should I try to slow it down a bit e.g. cut out sugar and empty calories?

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    10.20.10, 07:52 PM Flag ]
    • OP - forgot to mention I'm 5'5", started at 139, now 152(!)

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      10.20.10, 07:53 PM Flag
      • Wow, you are craving great foods. I craved wendys frostees, and learned that the jr only has 120 calories, and had one almost every day for the last 2 months.

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        10.20.10, 08:25 PM Flag
    • Make your calories count. That means cut out the crap and eat yummy healthy food. Eat lots of salads. Fish is great for you, and nuts are fine. Remember that you can eat what you want, just don't overdo it and drink lots of milk.

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      10.20.10, 08:22 PM Flag
    • careful - I gained a lot of weight eating nuts & wound up with a nut allergic child (it is unclear as to whether or not my nut consumption caused allergy, but it has certainly made me feel terribly guilty)

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      10.20.10, 08:50 PM Flag
      • According to the hospital based nutritionist I saw regularly while pregnant the connection between a mom's consumption of nuts and a nut allergy in the baby has been totally de-bunked. Nuts are great for pregos. But watch the weight! I gained 50 lbs with my first and 40 with my second (the hormones made me SO hungry) and it's an absolute bitch to lose. Awful. My only suggestion is eat as much lean protein and fiber as possible to fill you up.

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        10.20.10, 10:59 PM Flag
    • I gained a lot of weight and ate well and worked out. But my mom and sisters all did when they were pregnant so I already knew. You have so much to worry about don't worry about your weight. Congrats on the bun in the oven!

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      10.20.10, 11:20 PM Flag
      • Same here, actually (I posted about what the nutritionist told me re: nuts). Worked out, ate well (though portions were hard because I was so incredily hungry) and still lots of weight gain. I do think body type has something very significant to do with it.

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        10.21.10, 01:11 AM Flag
  • [-]Has anyone made the move from NYC to Seattle? My husband has been offered a job there, and I'm wondering what to expect, especially in terms of public schools, quality of life, diversity and affordability.

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    • We did it a year ago -- now have a 6 month old DS.

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      04.30.10, 03:31 PM Flag
    • ^^Sorry, hit enter. Continuing on, the transition totally depends on how you want to live. If you stayed in NYC, did you plan to live in the city or move the the burbs when your kids got to school age? If you planned to move out of the city, then you go to the Eastside here in Seattle (east of Lake Washington), where they have Bellevue and Issaquah school districts, which which are both great. Houses in those towns are about $700k+ for a standard 4 bedroom (Issaquah to start, Bellevue probably at $1M or above). There is also Mercer Island which is in the middle of Lake Washington which is basically a Scarsdale equivalent -- very pricey, but probably one of the top 20 school districts in the country. Mercer pricing is maybe a 20% disco...

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      04.30.10, 03:37 PM Flag
    • ^^Continuing on, if you had planned to live in the city and you have small children, then you want to live in the Queen Anne section of Seattle, the hill just behind the Space Needle. Close to downtown, great views, great community, great schools through grade 5 (even though its Seattle Public Schools, it's zoned for Queen Anne only, and it's an affluent area with high parental involvement). Think Brooklyn Heights if there was no Manhattan. Smaller Craftsman style-houses, typically from 2000-2500 square feet that range from $600k to $1.25M generally. After 5th grade, many people go private, which costs about $20k per year right now. All in all, when you factor in the fact that there is no state income tax, I'd say the cost of living is ...

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      04.30.10, 03:47 PM Flag
    • Queen Anne is white. Not at all diverse and the Seatle public schools are in horrific shape. Bellevue is the place to be and houses do not start at $1 million.

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      05.26.10, 04:21 PM Flag
      • it's kind of weird that you would "continue on" a month after you first posted (and six weeks after op did). rip van winkle mom? it's not like op cares at this point.

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        05.26.10, 05:00 PM Flag
  • [-]What are the qualities of your best friend that you love? Do you have a good story that illustrates how you went out of the way to be a good friend? Are most best friends childhood friends?

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    • I met mine when I was 25yo. I don't think most are friend childhood?

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      01.29.10, 08:16 AM Flag
    • Good lord no to your last question. I grew up, moved away. Two of my dear friends (I don't rank friends good better best like mattresses), are from college. The others, I met later.

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      01.29.10, 08:24 AM Flag
    • I think the older friends are a bit closer to my heart but the friends I spend most of my time with and know i can rely on are those I made as an adult. My neighbor and I know that if we have an emergency and time of day or night we can call the other for help with staying with the kids or pretty much with help with anything.

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      01.29.10, 08:41 AM Flag
    • People who can put up with my incessant worrying and complaining.

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      01.29.10, 08:56 AM Flag
    • My best friends are college friends. But I also have 4 close elementary school friends that are important to me. I also have my first job best friends. And now a lot of mommy friends. And book club friends. The qualities I love are 1)they get me. 2) we have things in common, 3) they're fun to have good conversations with and if I ever needed someone to support me in a rough time, they'd be there for me. Oh - and they make me feel good about myself. I've watched people's kids, taken friends on vacation, been there for them when they've gone through rough times, and listened when they needed me to. And let them crash at my place when needed. Usual friend things.

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      01.29.10, 09:04 AM Flag
    • I had a friend (growing up) that was very poor and I use to take my allowance and take her out to eat at Bob's Big Boy. I was only about 11 at the time but they had no money b/c her mom and dad were both doing drugs and the dad was in jail. As soon as I got my allowance for cleaning (every Saturday) I picked her up and we rode our bikes to get lunch. One day I went to take her to lunch and she was gone. I have not seen her since, I think mom probably got arrested and they were put in foster care.

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      01.29.10, 10:14 AM Flag
      • that is the saddest story. You should try to find her.

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        01.29.10, 10:16 AM Flag
      • You never found out what happened through teachers, neighbors? These days you could likely find her online or networking sites or even gov't registries.

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        01.29.10, 10:21 AM Flag
      • how sweet you were to your friend, very touching. sorry about what happened. very sad

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        01.29.10, 11:20 AM Flag
    • my dearest friends are college friends. i have a couple of childhood friends whom i'm still close with but we have less in common. my dearest friends do not judge, don't care that we are all in very different places in life and will always be there for me (as I for them). for example, 2 of them are single and childless but still came to spend a day at the playground with me and my kids bc they wanted to see me and w dh's travel schedule and work and the kids i haven't had any time to hang out.

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      01.29.10, 10:26 AM Flag
    • i have four gals and one guy i would consider best friends - all from single work life after college - they are all very different but great people. Here is what they all have in common: like to laugh and have fun; can have some cocktails; keep themselves up/care about appearance; only one takes herself too seriously; they all get me and love me for who i am too :> my life would SUCK without them!

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      01.29.10, 11:23 AM Flag
    • Why do you ask?

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      01.29.10, 01:58 PM Flag
    • i think most best friends tend to be college friends and maybe even someone from high school. Most of my good friends are from high school/college/grad school but my best friend is from kindergarten. I feel very lucky. When you are friends as long as my best friend and I are it's almost like a sibling relationship. We just know each other so well and are just connected and it's not a connection I can put into words very well.

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      01.29.10, 02:08 PM Flag
    • Not in my case, i've lived in 4 different countries for long periods of time and my friends are scattered around the planet. What they have in common is being open minded, well travelled and non judgemental.

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      01.29.10, 02:25 PM Flag
    • I have known my best friend since I was 3. My favorite qualities in her are her hilarious sense of humor, her down-to-earth personality and her eternal optimism in spite of some hardships she has faced in her life (mostly dysfunctional family stuff). I helped her get a job at my company in NYC when she needed to move out of the south and get away from a toxic relationship. She is still with that company and has done really well there and is now happily married with a baby in another state. We still talk on the phone all the time just like we did in middle school. She is like a second sister to me. I feel very lucky because many of my closest friends are from when I was a baby or in grade school and we live all over. I am 39.

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      01.29.10, 05:10 PM Flag
    • I don't have one best friend, I guess 2 or 3 from college. They are great friends because they always make our friendship a priority. We all get busy with life sometimes but we make a point of calling each other, connecting. We live in the US and Europe now and we make trips just to see each other. One doesn't have DC yet and isn't really into DC yet, but she still makes a point of playing with them, buying them presents, and listening to our boring DC stories.

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      05.08.10, 12:21 PM Flag
  • [-]Does anyone know any marketing types? Are they "intense"? I have a friend from college who I used to love seeing until she got a marketing job and now she is intense, everything has to be her way, she knows "it all" and her DH is now thinking about divorcing her because she would rather fly around the world to trade shows than be around for the DCs school activities, etc. And if he does something 'wrong' with the kids in her eyes, she flips out.

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    • sounds like she needs meds to calm her down

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      04.28.10, 04:57 AM Flag
      • her kids are definitely acting out alot now that she travels pretty much every week and her DH is left holding the bag.

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        04.28.10, 05:02 AM Flag
        • that's sad. My friend is a Dr and both parents are surgeons. She stopped working after her 3rd dc was born since the first 2 acted out so much and she hated the idea that her absence had anything to do with it

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          04.28.10, 05:03 AM Flag
          • ^^^^mean't both parents (my friend and dh) are surgeons.

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            04.28.10, 05:04 AM Flag
            • it is-and we always end up picking up one kid or the other all the time because he's caught being late or we have to watch one while he goes to pick up the other-it's one thing when it's an emergency-we've all been there but for them it is now a lifestyle choice and somehow we are part of it. We have our own kids to pick up and drive places. We got our older DC tickets to a baseball for his birthday and we would have missed it if we would have picked up their kid because he wouldn't have picked him up until after the game started.

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              04.28.10, 05:11 AM Flag
              • they can't hire a nanny?

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                04.28.10, 05:29 AM Flag
                • apparently they don't make enough money..and plus with gullible neighbors why would they? ;)

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                  04.28.10, 05:32 AM Flag
    • I don't know many marketing types period, but the couple I do know are not intense at all, nice and laidback actually. I thought that it was the PR people who were supposedly "intense."

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      04.28.10, 05:09 AM Flag
      • DH and I both work. We stagger our schedules so that one drops off and one picks up. Usually I pick up and DH is rarely home for dinner when I do. Funny story-he came home early one time and the kids were like 'what are you doing here?" I thought it was funny. Anyway, my friend was upset that we don't eat together. I was like and "how do you do that when you are in Singapore, Australia, etc?" she can be completely unreasonable sometimes.

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        04.28.10, 05:43 AM Flag
    • I am a marketing type. Would fly back and forth from Japan every other month. I was raging bitch for 10 years. Once I had DS, I decided that I needed to change my life, turn down that part of my personality, get some serious therapy and be grateful for the family I have. It's not because of the marketing part but rather the intensity part.

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      04.28.10, 05:40 AM Flag
      • this happened to her after she got the job-she was okay actually when she was SAHM.

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        04.28.10, 05:48 AM Flag
        • I just think the stress of the job got to me. I was always in the mode of "fixing the problem" at work that it would bleed over to my home life. For me, I could not judge a high pressure job with a family. Now, I work part-time in a better environment and am home for dinner most nights.

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          04.28.10, 06:12 AM Flag
    • My DH is in marketing and he is not intense...I mean there are times he gets stressed like any job, but he is not like what you described AT ALL. Although some of his colleagues are...but again like any job, you have intense people. I think that it is more of a personality type with your friend.

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      04.28.10, 06:24 AM Flag
  • [-]Exactly what is "unschooling" and how is letting your child call the shots in their education supposed to help them??

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    • its based on the theory that children have a natural, inborn desire to learn and that it should be encouraged and parents should take advantage of the direction a child's learning takes to teach them about life and their world along with basic education like math, science, english, history, culture and language. it is used by people who want to allow their child to develop into a very independent and curious person. It can work if you are very creative and have a lot of time to plan and schedule activities, but I homeschool and just use basic curriculum as well as lessons I plan to supplement whatever they are learning at the time. I have friends who do it though, and I can answer any questions you have.

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      04.24.10, 05:55 PM Flag
      • yes children do have a natural inborn desire to learn and someone needs to "teach them"-they are not mature and intelligent enough to teach themselves!!

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        04.24.10, 06:04 PM Flag
    • I have a couple friends for whom it worked out great, but they were total geeks whose own expectations were much, much higher than anything a teacher or parent would put out there. I think they also had a lot of discipline--that is, they would make themselves learn things they thought were important, even if they didn't really enjoy them. For most kids I don't think it would be a good idea though. I think most unschoolers actually do offer a certain amount of structure--more than has been presented in the media.

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      04.24.10, 06:06 PM Flag
      • I think it is a sign that society has gone completely insane-now kids are in charge of their own education and development-PUHLEESE.

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        04.24.10, 06:10 PM Flag
    • The concern I have with "unschooling" is not what it would look like if it's done well. It's what it would look like if it's done poorly. The advantage of a good, standard curriculum is that it has some inherent value even in the hands of a weak teacher. In unschooling, you're entirely at the mercy of the parents' competence.

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      04.24.10, 07:08 PM Flag
  • [-]How many of you picked out your engagement ring as opposed to those of you whose spouse made it a "surprise'?

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    • i was surprised. and not pleasantly. never told dh but eventually my post-pregnancy fingers made it a tight fit so i just stopped wearing it. wedding band was sized bigger and it's all i wear now.

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      04.14.10, 03:23 PM Flag
    • I picked it out. DH has HORRIBLE taste in jewelry and I don't have a good poker face. He asked me to show him what I like and we worked on the custom design together

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      04.14.10, 03:29 PM Flag
    • I was surprised, and loved the ring he picked out. But, he had help - my best friend went ring shopping with him. She claimed he was the one who picked the ring, she just told him that I'd love it. She was right.

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      04.14.10, 03:33 PM Flag
    • we picked together- and it was horrible. Both new to NYC went to jewelers , he showed us 35k ring and tried to get dh to buy it (fortunoff) tried 2 other places- same thing. Went to Tiffany- they asked dh how much he wanted to spend- and got rings (totally a horrible day)

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      04.14.10, 03:35 PM Flag
    • We went ring shopping together before we got engaged. We knew we would get married but he did surprise me w the actual proposal. His thought was that if he was going to spend a chunk of money on the e-ring then I better like it. So that's why we shopped for it beforehand

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      04.14.10, 03:37 PM Flag
    • I agonized over this...in the end DH picked one up on a business trip and it was very beautiful. Not sure who helped him or if he really did it on his own. I didn't know how to drop subtle hints. I almost left printouts on the kitchen table, but didn't want to offend him.

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      04.14.10, 03:38 PM Flag
    • No engagement ring. Neither of us was into the idea. We picked out the wedding rings together, platinum bands. I guess some of you will be horrified to hear that we bought them online.

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      04.14.10, 03:39 PM Flag
      • from the Tiffany people- not at all. Wish we had gone this way

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        04.14.10, 03:43 PM Flag
    • DH never bought me a ring because he thinks they are lame. I wish that I had one, mostly because it would prove that he could do something that was entirely for me, rather than just forcing his beliefs on me. I think they are pretty and it's very romantic.

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      04.14.10, 03:47 PM Flag
    • DH asked me when we started discussing marriage and I told him I'd prefer a really classic ring like...you know...just a round stone in a simple platinum or white gold (dont like yellow) setting, the rest I'll leave up to you. he ended up getting me the Tiffany setting (told me yrs later he went with his MOM to pick it out because he was that clueless!!!!), and I am in love with my ring. secretly that was the one I wanted, but I wouldve never said so, I thought it was too demanding or s/t.

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      04.14.10, 03:53 PM Flag
    • I picked out the cut of stone I wanted (cushion), he surprised me with the setting. It's not what I would have chose, but it's a big diamond and a beautiful ring, so I'm happy with it, can't complain. I would like to eventually get it reset, but I think if I bring it up it would break his heart.

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      04.14.10, 04:11 PM Flag
    • DH here- I worked with a jeweler. I knew that my (now) wife liked rings with three stones so the jeweler put together several "sets" for me to look at. I narrowed it down to one, she put it in a temporary setting. I proposed and let dw know the setting was temporary so that she could put her own touches into the design. Everybody happy.

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      04.14.10, 04:19 PM Flag
      • np: this is what my dh did with a single stone in a temp ordinary six prong setting, proposal was a complete surprise, and the next sentence after will you marry me was "and you can pick the setting." ha!

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        04.14.10, 04:22 PM Flag
    • We sort of agreed on parameters, which I think was wise because he later told me he would have purchased a much bigger ring than I would have wanted, out of fear I'd be disappointed.

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      04.14.10, 04:26 PM Flag
    • First, I went with my mom to try on rings so I would know what I liked and wanted. Then my dh and I went together to a few jewelry stores so he would have an idea of the shape and setting I liked. Finally, he was on his own, and he bought me a beautiful ring!

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      04.14.10, 04:27 PM Flag
    • I saw a ring in an antique store that I loved, he surprised me with it a week later.

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      04.14.10, 04:30 PM Flag
    • We went together to a diamond dealer on 47th, picked a stone and then told him how I wanted it set - simple tiffany setting in platinum

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      04.14.10, 04:34 PM Flag
    • I was surprised with a gorgeous antique ring that he picked up in London months before he actually proposed. It was just my style. The fact that he was able to pick out something that suited me so perfectly was further proof that he knew me so well, and made saying "yes" that much easier.

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      04.14.10, 04:43 PM Flag
    • Total surprise, as was the proposal. We were young and it was a family ring. Perfect.

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      04.14.10, 04:47 PM Flag
    • He surprised me with a beautiful antique ring. I love it, love it. Glad he did. If I picked one out, I wouldn't have done as good a job.

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    • Hijack: how many of you have the traditional diamond, and how many have a different kind of gemstone. I have a gorgeous 4 carat ruby surrounded by very small white diamonds. It's such a unique ring and I love it. Told me DH that I wanted a ruby, but he did the rest.

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  • [-]My mother told me this weekend that I needed to be submissive to my husband. Am I the only one who is thinking "WTF"?

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    • is she losing her mind? Tell her mom it's 2010 not 1910

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      04.14.10, 06:52 AM Flag
    • Did she mean sexually or overall?

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      04.14.10, 06:53 AM Flag
      • eeww-I think overall........

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        04.14.10, 07:27 AM Flag
    • We need more context to answer this. And I'm about as assertive and feminist as they come.

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      04.14.10, 06:54 AM Flag
      • out of the blue-"you need to be submissive"

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        04.14.10, 07:27 AM Flag
        • i would want to know if that is just her core belief on how "ladies" act, or if she saw something specific from seeing you together that made her suggest that. you seem pretty normal, so maybe your mom is just old-fashioned? i've actually heard similar kind of comments from MIL, not my own mom though.

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          04.14.10, 07:44 AM Flag
          • old fashioned; out dated; nice but insane-never wants me to go anywhere by myself "need an escort"; when I bought my own house, she wanted me to find a friend to come live with me; always asks "and what does your husband think of this? does he agree?" like I can't think on my own; DH just laughs and says not to let it get to me-he doesn't want a doormat or a clingy wife

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            04.14.10, 07:50 AM Flag
            • lol. i'm laughing because sometimes my mom tells me similar things too. but you know what? its my marriage (which is awesome, by the way), not hers, so i just say "ok mom" and let it go. its so not worth my time to even get frustrated.

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              04.14.10, 08:00 AM Flag
      • I totally disagree. No context is needed!! Neither the wife nor the husband should ever be submissive to one another.

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        04.14.10, 08:10 AM Flag
    • If you are the crazy mom that doesn't trust her husband to pick up a play kitchen on his own, she may have a point.

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      04.14.10, 06:59 AM Flag
      • LOL-I'm not the crazy mom who doesn't trust her husband to pick up a play kitchen on his own-I trust him to pick up all kinds of things on his own-groceries, dry cleaning, the children-the dude's a lawyer-think he can handle it.

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        04.14.10, 07:34 AM Flag
    • moderation in all things.

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      04.14.10, 07:28 AM Flag
      • Wha?? This is ridiculous. If someone posted, "I'm a serial killer every other Monday, what do you think?" would you post such an insipid call to moderation in all things? Just so we're clear, "submissive" means that you defer to someone, that you're obedient to him. It's not the same thing as "accomodating" or "ready to compromise."

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        04.14.10, 08:13 AM Flag
        • Accomodating and ready to compromise would be moderation. In other words you agree with my point. Wha?? Exactly

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          04.14.10, 08:56 AM Flag
          • "Submissive" doesn't mean "accomodating" or "ready to compromise" at all. One cannot moderate submission just like one cannot moderate obedience. If you're obedient, you always defer. If you're submissive, you always defer. Check the dictionary for further clarification on this point.

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            04.14.10, 09:03 AM Flag
            • how does "moderation in all things" mean that I thing she should be submissive or agree with the mother??? You have a logic defect

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              04.14.10, 09:11 AM Flag
    • So when I was home on maternity leave, I turned on one of those morning shows while nursing. They had a SAHM vs WOHM showdown where they had this SAHM saying that all woman are obligated to stay home, and that they should be submissive to their DHs because they provide for them, and that they should enjoy doing household chores for the men. She also said that women call her all the time and say how fabulous her DH is and she loves hearing it. What.a.freak.

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      04.14.10, 07:58 AM Flag
      • OMG-my mom used to say that I had to what my dad said because he pays the bills.

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        04.14.10, 08:07 AM Flag
        • I say that. And it is true to some extent. If the kids are watching tv and a game that dh wants to watch comes on, they have to turn off their show because dad pays the cable bill.

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          04.14.10, 11:03 AM Flag
    • No idea what exactly your mother meant but I do think that there are a lot of independent women who don't let their dh's take care of things they should. I really do believe men lot to take care of certain things and you. It's how they express love. If you don't give men the opportunity to do that, it can cause problems. You don't have to be all "omg, save me from that ant you big strong man" but there letting a guy open a mayo jar now and then isn't going end equal rights. That said, the term submissive sounds horrible.

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      04.14.10, 08:12 AM Flag
    • funny she used the word submissive. how did this come up?

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      04.14.10, 08:18 AM Flag
    • What planet is she from? No WAY! And if you have DD's you have to think about the messages you send to them.

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      04.14.10, 08:18 AM Flag
    • don't even have this dicussion. She isn't going to change her mind, so just let her say whatever she wants to say and move on.

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      04.14.10, 09:12 AM Flag
    • She may have a point and didn't express it correctly or she may be a backward "women are inferior" wife slave. Only you really know but I don't it matters. You didn't want the message so you aren't going to get it.

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      04.14.10, 10:06 AM Flag
    • It's an interesting point. As a manager, you are suppose to make others feel good about their work and feel appreciated. You don't compete for credit and you give praise out when it's deserved. You don't shame or humiliate anyone. From a woman in the workforce, that is acceptable. But if you do the same thing to your spouse, you are seen as submissive.

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      04.14.10, 10:09 AM Flag
    • I assume she's Asian.

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      04.14.10, 10:37 AM Flag
      • is that why white men like them so much, because real white women are too uppity, so they go for the next best thing that knows how to keep their trap shut?

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        04.14.10, 11:06 AM Flag
        • umm - can we PLEASE leave the asian theory out of this? this is just a stereotype and i'm so sick of asians being bashed on UB. most of us are totally sane and normal AMERICANS. and i think there are a lot of women who are in the older generation who think like OP's mom-they dont have to be asian.

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          04.14.10, 11:22 AM Flag
          • sorry, my response to or was out of frustration on that debate. So I figured if I said the most inflammatory thing I could think of, no one would respond and we would not have another asian debate.

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            04.14.10, 11:23 AM Flag
    • crazy co dependent

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      04.14.10, 10:38 AM Flag
    • maybe your mom was trying to tell you she likes being tied up

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      04.14.10, 10:41 AM Flag
    • maybe she thinks you degrade your husband

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      04.14.10, 10:54 AM Flag
    • There is this lovely book out called "Love and Respect" It is based on the theory that what women need is love, and what men need is respect. But submission is a form of respect, and it is easy to do. Just let him have his way with no argument of small things that matter more to him than you. He will feel that you are submitting and going along with it, but really he just cares more than you do

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      04.14.10, 11:05 AM Flag
      • Stepford Mom lives and breathes. I imagine her typing this with her eyes glazed over.

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        04.14.10, 11:31 AM Flag
        • Are you serious? I am not a stepford mom, but I dont deny that appearing to be submissive and occasionaly catering to my husband helps my marriage. What about all the posts from women who 'force' themselves to have sex with dh even though they 'never' want to? Is that not a form of submission? I don't make sacrifices in my needs or wants, I have my own career, and I am very happy, but my marriage is a good one because my dh always feels like the king of his castle. Ego is important to men, if you dont think so, you have a rude awakening coming.

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          04.14.10, 11:48 AM Flag
          • I'm glad that I'm married to a 21st-century guy who thinks it's normal for us to be on equal footing. Sometimes we go with his idea, sometimes we go with my idea, but we take each other's opinions seriously - not because I'm stroking his ego or because he's humoring my pretty little self, but because we actually respect each other's brains. Imagine that.

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            04.14.10, 12:28 PM Flag
            • My husband respects my brain. I respect his. We both have our areas of expertise. But sometimes I need my husband to make me feel like a woman and sometimes if helps if I make him feel like a man. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

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              04.14.10, 12:36 PM Flag
              • That's not what your wrote above. You wrote "what women need is love, and what men need is respect." So which is it, wrote you first wrote or what you just wrote?

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                04.14.10, 12:47 PM Flag
                • ^^WHAT you first wrote or what you just wrote?

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                • i was talking about the book, and what it says. you took my words out of context. THE BOOK I mentioned, which I think is great, operates on the principle that what women need is love and what men need is respect.

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                  04.14.10, 12:49 PM Flag
      • np: Shouldn't both the husband and wife concede on small things that matter more to the other person? That's kindness, not submission. And the phrase "king of the castle" creeps me out. None of the wonderful men in my life (husband or father) base their manhood on whether the women fall in line. They base it on how well they take care of their families.

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        04.14.10, 12:32 PM Flag
        • np: yes, both husbands and wifes should concede on the small things but I've found that there are far too many independent women who simply won't do that because they think it degrades them. really, it degrades their relationship because they have to ALWAYS have the upper hand. It's like they must be the king of the castle themselves and that is just as wrong.

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          • OR: yes this is right, but my dh feels like the "king of the castle" not because we "fall in line" but because we appreciate him for all he does. I have a job, but I work part time and all my money is mine, he really brings home the bacon. I show him I appreciate him by taking good care of him, our children, our house. He shows me he appreciates me by noticing and appreciating my hard work, making me feel pretty, letting me know he is still attracted to me, planning little surprises for us. Its give and take, I call what I do for him love, he calls it respect.

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            04.14.10, 12:39 PM Flag
            • I'm sure what you are saying is lovely but it sounds weird to me. I'm thinking it's just in how your are phrasing it. My dh and I are equal partners, including our income. We know when something is important to the other person. We are very appreciative of each other. He enjoys feeling like he can take care of me. I enjoy feeling protected by him. It's not very feminist of me, but I like a man that makes me feel safe and wanted. I know he also likes a woman that makes him feel strong.

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              • OR: I agree with you and in essence, what you said is what I was trying to say. Its hard to say it without sounding weird. We have a very traditional family and we are very happy. We are both traditional people, even though I consider myself a feminist and would never live in subjugation to a man, I dont see a problem with being submissive once in a while. It goes along with enjoying the feeling of being taken care of and protected by a man. I enjoy that too.

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                04.14.10, 12:52 PM Flag
                • I get it. Really, I do.

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                  04.14.10, 12:54 PM Flag
          • I hate to say this, but I completely agree with you.

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            04.14.10, 12:42 PM Flag
          • "Far too many independent women"? Now I'm even more creeped out! Needing the upper hand isn't about being "independent," it's about being selfish and immature. The problem with many marriages isn't that women are independent, it's that one or both people are completely narcissistic or immature.

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            04.14.10, 12:48 PM Flag
            • I thought that was better than saying uptight B*tches but you are right, it is mostly narcissism. As a society, we tend to blame men more than women but there is a trend among women who have a high-income and often marry later in life that have yet to figure out that marriage means they aren't in charge of everything anymore. I have meant plenty of couples where the problem was 100% the women refusing to give up any control. I have seen plenty where it was the man's fault (usually cheating).

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              04.14.10, 12:53 PM Flag
    • that is ridiculous. Why does she feel she has the right to get involved in your marriage?

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      04.14.10, 11:41 AM Flag
    • Good God! My mother would tear her tongue out before she uttered such words.

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      04.14.10, 11:49 AM Flag
    • When I was in my early 30s and having one short lived relationship after another, my mother told me that perhaps I should be more reserved and not as assertive. I was shocked, considering her personality. Anyway, I kept being myself and shortly after that met my future husband, who loves me (mostly) just the way I am.

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