Trig Palin’s threat to the abortion industry
posted at 9:30 am on September 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
A Canadian doctor expressed concern that Sarah Palin’s decision to give birth to Trig, who has Down’s Syndrome, may have negative consequences for women in his nation and elsewhere. How so? Instead of getting abortions 90% of the time, Dr. Andre Lalonde says, more women may discover that they can deal with the challenge of such a child, and refuse abortions. Quelle horreur!
Sarah and Todd Palin’s decision to complete her recent pregnancy, despite advance notice that their baby Trig had Down syndrome, is hailed by many in the pro-life movement as walking the walk as well as talking the talk.
But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.
Published reports in Canada say about 9 out of 10 women given a diagnosis of Down syndrome choose to terminate the pregnancy through abortion.
Dr. Andre Lalonde, executive vice president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in Ottawa, worries that Palin’s now renowned decision may cause abortions in Canada to decline as other women there and elsewhere opt to follow suit.
This sounds more like the abortion industry worrying over a declining demand than a physician caring for a patient. Parents of DS children manage to have fulfilling lives, and they would say because of their child and not despite the decision to give birth. The Palins do provide a role model in that manner, as do the millions of other parents with such children who get no special attention for their love and sacrifice.
What kind of doctor looks at this situation and says, “The worry is that this will have an implication for abortion issues in Canada”? Does the sight of a strong family represent that great a threat to the abortion industry in Canada or elsewhere? The SOGC tried recovering from this statement by insisting that doctors don’t push women carrying DS children into abortions, but a Down’s Syndrome support group says that’s simply false:
Members of Canada’s Down syndrome community say that many of the country’s medical professionals only give messages of fear to parents who learn their baby will be born with the genetic condition.
“It’s very dark,” said Krista Flint, executive director of the Canadian Down Syndrome Society. “They hear a lot about the medical conditions that are sometimes associated with Down syndrome. They hear about the burden … it places on children and a marriage. They hear about things like shortened life expectancy. They hear a lot about the challenges of a life with Down syndrome.”
Given Lalonde’s primary concern as stated by Lalonde himself, the fear seems to be that abortionists might have to deal with fewer customers.
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Sorry, had to do some work, then I had to take a publish…
Look manlyrash, this all started with a joke
You may not think it was funny, but on the laugh meter I got a 6.7, not high but good enough to keep me in the game.
Take it easy, I take back about you singlehandedly killing kids in the bathroom, you might need two hands you’re so tough.
Leave it…let it go…you don’t want to go down the path you are trying to take it.
I have also written, researched, published, copywrited, and syndicated. (doesn’t that irk you when some guy can post whatever he wants and there is no way you would ever know, yeah, it does me too).
Have a great day publishing…
right2bright on September 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Please tell me now whether this is a satire or a deliberate exaggeration of a pro-abortion position. If it is, not funny, but I get it.
On the other hand, if you’re serious, I’m keeping this one for posting as an example of the lame gibberish that passes for logic among pro-abortionists. Seriously, this is so silly it’s hard to tell whether you meant this as a parody or not.
philwynk on September 11, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Allow me to play the part of gallant knight. Assuming the troll is still willing to respond, allow me to address him/her/it and show you how it’s done.
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Um…sure, R2B. Have fun doing…whatever it is you do. LOL.
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 4:22 PM
justincase sez:
We have become desensitized as a nation. That’s why this article rattled me so much.
We began with Roe v Wade. Terminating unwanted pregnancies.
Now we have a plethora of (fallible) genetic testing available. Baby got 47 chromosomes, terminate! Baby trisomy? Terminate! Baby got a heart defect? Terminate!
Follow this to its logical conclusion…
Baby got brown eyes? Terminate!
Baby a girl? (hello China?) Terminate!
Don’t like the way that double helix is looking? Terminate!
We are on the down escalator to eugenics at Mach IV speed.
SuzEQCitizen on September 11, 2008 at 4:23 PM
You conflate form with substance. An aborted baby girl, regardless of the form she assumes after the procedure, was nevertheless a baby girl before the abortion. Oatmeal can be nothing other than oatmeal.
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 4:27 PM
If you have not done so already, Suze, I strongly recommend that you go to Amazon.com and order Liberal Fascism, a terrific book by Jonah Goldberg. It will illuminate you.
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 4:29 PM
I usually don’t frame such a question. From a practical standpoint I haven’t had to. Nearly all people will mourn the loss of close family members, and some, perhaps most, will mourn the loss of a child that dies at some point during pregnancy. However, most have never mourned for the fertilized eggs that fail to implant on uterine walls–and perhaps more than a million do every year. Perhaps those cells possessed souls and some form of eternal life, but those views vary by religion.
I do think that it might be possible to gain a national consensus about restricting abortions in cases involving an unborn child that has vital organs and can feel pain. Pushing individual rights down to the level of a single cell doesn’t seem politically achievable.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Charlie Daniels The Devil Went Down to Georgia is resounding in my head right now!
SuzEQCitizen on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Amen to that!!!
By the way, if it ever does come back (God forbid!!) I vote we start thinning out the gene pool by removing “senior Canadian doctors” first!!
Yeah you piece of s%#t Canadian doc paybacks a bitch ain’t it!!
My son is adopted and we thank God day in and day out that his birth mother chose life over death!!!
On behalf of all adopted parents to birth moms out there who made the choice to give their child up for adoption and to all families out their caring for special needs children, adopted or not, MAY GOOD LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP UP IN HIS HEART FOREVER!
To all women out there who are thinking about abortion for whatever reason PLEASE talk to someone about adoption.
God made man in His own image (Gen. 1:27a). Therefore a look in the face of another human being is looking into an image of God. Eugenics, abortion, the concentration camps, ethnic cleansing and all that stem from a lack of belief of this fact.
Bubba Redneck on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM
I’m guessing that you’ll get the consent of the girlfriend, or will you “take care of” that too?
That’s what laws do, decide what society says is acceptable and not, I’m sure you’re used to it by now, right? I mean, you stop at red lights even if you’re late for work, don’t you?
Using your reasoning, its none of the state’s business if I molest my child(ren). Nor is it any of their business if I use them for child pornography, pedophiles sex shop/show, or if I rape your girlfriend with your permission. Would you care to define “a personal situation” more explicitly? What is and isn’t a personal situation? Perhaps you could elaborate on the “personal situation” of the fetus?
It would be interesting to hear what you would do if your girlfriend gave birth to a child that during the last hour of labor got its umbilical cord wrapped around its throat and its feet pressed up against the neck cutting off the blood/oxygen to the brain. If the child was then born healthy but had neurological and brain function issues, would you then proceed to kill the child?
Your snide attitude indicates to me that you use abortion as a means to avoid responsibility because you are too young to accept the consequences of your actions. If you ever have children, your attitude will change, I’ll bet your life on it. But, you know it all, so you’ll ignore that little bit of info until one day you’ll realize who the true prick is (looking back at you in the mirror). You really have no clue of what you speak because the only brain function going on is trained on getting your lower head into a hole as often as possible. Not that any guys were any different at your age, I’m just sayin’…
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM
The devil bowed his head because he knew that he’d been beat.
He laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny’s feet.
Johnny said: “Devil just come on back if you ever want to try again.
“I told you once, you son of a bitch, I’m the best that’s ever been.”
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Dedalus at 4:31
I didn’t ask when you had a soul or eternal life. I asked when you were created.
Our whole life long, from beginning to end, we are changing in size, ability, dependency level, spirituality, sensitivity to pain, etc. But when did your life begin?
justincase on September 11, 2008 at 4:38 PM
An aborted baby girl (retarded or not) was a living baby girl.
Bubba Redneck on September 11, 2008 at 4:38 PM
dedalus:
Here’s the trick, though, dedalus. When my 28 year old son was a newborn I was trying to make the decision whether to have him circumcized or not. My obstetrician assured me that newborns felt no pain. Of course, now we know that that isn’t true. How many babies at (fill in the blank) weeks gestation will be lost because scientists thought they felt no pain?
Do you see a moratorium on abortions while scientists try and determine at what stage fetal development babies feel pain? Or whether that fetus could have survived with genetic flaws?
SuzEQCitizen on September 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I pity the suckers who cannot find beauty in anything that is remotely different from themselves; who think so narrowly that they cannot see the beauty in the poignancy of life, the challenges that make life worth living and instead go the easy route based on conformity. I pity you. Do you think that a life well-lived is about constant ease and comfort? Don’t you enjoy the challenges that life has to offer and see the beauty in rising to the occasion? You learn more about yourself when you’re confronted with challenges and if you don’t give up, you have what’s called “character”. But you people just don’t have a clue as to what it takes to have character, and that is pathetic.
foxforce91 on September 11, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Good luck with all of THAT. The criteria are completely arbitrary and nearly impossible to define with any scientific precision. Moreover, when it comes the issue of personhood, such criteria are irrelevant.
I’m inclined to agree. Look, if a woman is determined to abort her unborn child she will do so. As a matter of physical practicality, it is much easier for her to do so in the first few weeks than it is after five months.
Then again, it is entirely possible to murder an adult and never face prosecution for the act because no one ever knows it actually happened – just ask Judge Crater or Jimmy Hoffa.
Ought we therefore dipense with the legal prohibition of murder?
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM
To build upon this –
Having an abortion will give the woman pause because fundamentally, they realize that they are killing a human life. It is a built in function and they know it is “wrong”. If it wasn’t for that natural instinct, abortion would require no self-questioning, no “talking about it”, nothing….it would be like getting a bad tooth pulled. It is only through the use of rationalization that women submit to these procedures. If the doctor said, “Your ______ (fill in the blank) is likely to have Down Syndrome”, everyone realizes that we aren’t saying that a bug, zygote, mocha latte or whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-call-it is going to have Down Syndrome, but a *human child*.
My sister had an abortion. She says that at the time it was probably for the best, but she says she thinks she’ll have to answer for that decision someday. Subsequently, she never had children. I’m pretty damn sure she isn’t proud of her decision, nor do I think she positive is was the right thing to do. I believe she has convinced herself it was “for the best” because she needs to be able to sleep at night.
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM
I do love what passes for logic among abortion’s advocates.
Most never mourn for these, dedalus, because most never know when they occur. Please believe me when I tell you that young women who are wanting a child would, in fact, feel loss if they knew this had occurred, and even some who were not actively hoping for a child. And if you don’t believe me, please ask some of the women who post here.
Of course, it’s hypothetical, which is part of the point; so long as you can push this into pure, detached discussion, you can maintain your personal safety, eh, dedalus?
The sickness of abortion advocacy — the repetitive illogic and dishonesty of those advocates has led me finally to conclude that it’s a sickness — is caused partly by narcissistic terror of having to manage one’s sexual urges rather than simply indulge them, and partly by a habit of detaching oneself from genuine human feelings. It’s amplified by guilt, as when one has encouraged one’s gf to have an abortion and thus is forced to smother any possibility that one might have done something morally abhorrent, or as when one has obtained an abortion oneself, and must forcefully deny the guilt and anguish that are the natural reaction to having deliberately taken one’s own child’s life.
philwynk on September 11, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Your first question was when I was “created”, which happens to be the same term used in the Declaration when stating that men are “endowed by their creator…”
How is it possible that either of us is here now? Our parents conceived at a particular point in time. The organism that they created is the body that we inhabit.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Your first critique of my logic employs conjecture.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Thank you especially and thanks to all others for your advocacy on this issue in this thread.
I understand. I shall give a few examples of my life “theory,” in response to the following post.
When children are born, they cannot survive without intense provision of nutrition and shelter. This remains true for many years. At what point should children be considered “alive?”
As an old man with a genetic disability, there have been many periods in my life in which I have been unable to live on my own. So, I had to get used to being abandoned, abused and treated as if I was nothing more than an “it.” And now, with others’ help, I am fortunate enough to be able to live off my savings. However, my savings will run out eventually, at which point I will become completely dependent on state bureaucrats for all life support. When this happens, will I still be “alive?”
One thing I have learned in my life is that life is incredibly precious. But then again, I’m just an old fool, so don’t take my word for it. Perhaps you might try living without any of life’s modern comforts for a several years, or go without any food or shelter for a few weeks, and then you might be better prepared to decide what it really means to be “alive.”
Loxodonta on September 11, 2008 at 4:57 PM
So much for caring about “woman’s choice.” Looks like all they really care about is convincing people abortion is the way to go. Come on, it’s not even like by having less abortions, it makes abortion illegal. It’s a sad world where doctors moan that there will be less deaths in the world.
Dusk Eagle on September 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM
As a death cult, the liberal pro-choice advocates are doomed to die out leaving only us ignorant “Christianists” to carry on against eminent extinction (global warming). /snark
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 5:04 PM
The medium of a web comment section is likely to be detached from the immediate experience of family, health and well-being. My personal safety doesn’t frequently worry me, though looking at the time stamp of your comment I recall 7 years ago when it did.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Geministorm at 4:51
Does your sister want to have children?
Having an abortion can have some classic fall-out that people sometimes don’t recognize.
I’ve lost two children – one stillborn at 42 weeks and the other miscarried at 12 weeks. I’ve been through the stages of grief. Yet even now sometimes it hurts so bad I just have to cry. Little things can bring everything back.
Being able to sleep at night is a real issue. But denial is a stage of grief that a person can get stuck in really easily, which keeps them from going on to the other stages, working through guilt and ending finally in forgiveness and acceptance. It’s a painful process, but when you reach the point of knowing you’re forgiven and free, it’s huge. That’s my prayer for your sister.
justincase on September 11, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Fortunately your dad didn’t feel the same way…
right2bright on September 11, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Dedalus at 4:52
The organism that your parents created at conception – was that you? Or do you distinguish between yourself and your body?
justincase on September 11, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Weak.
an_abstraction on September 11, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Just wow. Thanks for posting this, Ed.
Numenorean on September 11, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Strong…and you proved it several times already.
Your dad must have been heartbroken to have not aborted you, your mom, well she was probably like any good mom, she just decided that life, even one like yours is worth saving.
She must have been a saint…
right2bright on September 11, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Just wow. I’m speechless. Thanks for posting this, Ed.
Numenorean on September 11, 2008 at 5:19 PM
I believe you know as well as I do what you would find if you tested my conjecture in reality — which is why you won’t do it.
Let me tell you a story about my mother, who was a very bright woman. She and I were talking one day when I was in my teens; she was cutting vegetables, and I was sitting nearby with my hand resting on the table near the cutting board. I was in a typical teen “I’m the brightest person in the universe” phase then, and I remember saying to her something like “I don’t even know if you or I or anything else actually exists.”
Without a word, she reversed the paring knife in her hand into a stabbing position, and stabbed it into the cutting board right next to where my hand was sitting. I yanked my hand away and glared at her, my eyes wide. She returned my stare and asked, “Real? or illusion?”
The point, of course, is that if you detach your philosophy from reality, you’re an idiot, and you’ll take positions you don’t even believe yourself.
Get that “nobody mourns fertilized eggs that don’t attach” out of your head, dedalus. I’m offering this as sound advice. It’s crap, and you’re smarter than that. Philosophy based on such pap has no meaning, and can only serve as an excuse to stay detached from humanity.
philwynk on September 11, 2008 at 5:20 PM
“For sale: baby shoes, never worn.” Written by Hemingway and said to be literature’s shortest story. Enormously sad those six words, though to your point above they might have been written about someone who either lost a child during pregnancy or someone who tried but could never get pregnant.
I’m sure there is mourning for lives never lived but the sense of loss seems like it can be equally hard for a couple who could never have children as a couple who had a pregnancy that lasted only for a few hours.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM
She is at an age now and without a husband/male in her life, that she is resigned to the fact (?) that it isn’t going to happen. I just spoke specifically about this issue with her the last time we talked and I could hear the … trouble (?) she has with discussing it. I think it weighs heavily on her but she refuses to acknowledge it perhaps. She is a devout liberal, and animals are the realm in which she now centers her attention (saving the polar bears, wolves, pandas, etc.). Thankfully, she isn’t as far gone as to have gone all PETA on me, but she claims to value animal life as much as human life (at least until I make her make choices in hypothetical situations).
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 5:24 PM
It seems odd to believe something about what is known by another person. I’m more than happy to give you a straight answer. Your conjecture is that I’m an abortion advocate. I am not–not in my immediate life and not when it comes to political contributions.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I, by the grace of God, have been blessed. One of the blessings is a dear family that has a child that probably won’t see 30 years old.
The life and strength she brings to that family (and friends) can’t be measured, she is 24 and each month slips a little toward the end of her life.
So young, she won’t have the advantage of ever looking back but a couple of dozen bed ridden years.
She won’t ever feel the touch or love of a man, the ocean breeze, the pain of stubbing your toe at 2 in the morning on a door jam.
A Brilliant person who brings life to everyone who comes in contact with her. A great published writer of poetry, wise beyond her years…but then she knows her years have to be decades.
A lover of the Yankees, and a hater of Boston…so there is a little larceny in her heart.
The world would be less full without her, her family would not be the wonderful family they are, and her brothers and sisters would not be the fine teenagers they have become.
The good life is made up of little things, rich and poor. I never want perfection, I will take someone with flaws, hurts, and pain–we can comfort each other…
right2bright on September 11, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Geministorm at 5:24
Does she seem lonely? Animals won’t judge her. But they also can’t understand her or forgive her or weep with her over her loss and the despair that led her to do what she did. That’s the worst part. She shouldn’t have to face all that alone. She doesn’t have to.
Do you think she knows that she’s forgiven?
justincase on September 11, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Good story about the knife. I’ll have to remember that with my kids. They are both boys who usually absorb a lesson better when there is an element of fear.
You make valid points but I think abstraction is a tool that enables us to comprehend lives lived beyond our own immediate experience and to gameplan for low probability events.
dedalus on September 11, 2008 at 5:40 PM
One writer to another…well done. Very well done.
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Hard to determine. She has said that she thinks she’ll have to answer to her maker one day for that decision, which indicates to me that she knows in her heart that what she did wasn’t a “good” thing. But, it doesn’t speak to her thoughts on her faith and being forgiven. She seems to be extremely lonely, and I think leads a sad life. There is a lot of pain in her life I think, certainly not just the abortion. Her animals/cats do love her unconditionally and maybe that is what she needs most?
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Thanks, I knew their was a connection somewhere, nice of you to overlook by sarcasm.
right2bright on September 11, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Geministorm at 6:02
She probably needs a lot of unconditional love. She probably needs someone to understand why she did it. Somewhere I read that 90% of the women who abort would not have done so if they had felt really strong support for them. Sometimes we do something we know is wrong because we don’t feel strong enough to do what’s right, or sometimes other pain or fear is so consuming that something just snaps.
For various reasons of my own, I can understand why a woman would resort to abortion. Deep shame, fear of the child, pressure, loss of hope…
Sometimes the most healing thing is when someone can say, “I am so sorry for what you had to go through, so sorry that I wasn’t there for you.” (if that’s true and sincere) “What was it like for you? Let me live through it with you and cry with you and love you the way you wanted to be loved back then.”
Sometimes those discussions never happen with the people who were really involved, but they come out between people who have been there themselves, and both find out that they’re not alone, that they weren’t some monster for doing or feeling what they did, and that it’s okay to admit how much it still hurts.
It might also help to know that no matter what we say, any one of us, given the right condition of our mind and heart, is capable of doing anything. That’s what it means to be part of a fallen world.
That’s why it means so much that the God she knows she will answer to has no desire to blame her for her own brokenness but to be with her in the middle of it and rescue her from being swallowed up by it. That’s what forgiveness is, and every one of us would be lost without it. None of us has any rocks to throw, and the One who could throw rocks at us instead took on His own body all the rocks that should have hit us. Because He loves us, and knows us intimately, and forgives us.
I will keep praying for your sister. She is most definitely not alone.
justincase on September 11, 2008 at 6:51 PM
I am sorry we got off to such a rocky start and I apologize if I acted in an unseemly fashion. I am Rash…but you can call me Manly. :-)
ManlyRash on September 11, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Weak!
Weak!
[You know, a retort only someone with debating prowess such as yours can grasp.]
geckomon on September 11, 2008 at 7:07 PM
What you wrote had nothing to do with me, but it brought tears to my eyes. Thank you.
MissEm on September 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM
MissEm,
You’re welcome.
justincase on September 11, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Thank you justincase.
Not to go too deeply into the family skeleton closet, but the conditions you mentioned were present at the time. Really, I was the only one that knew in the family, even though I was but 14-15 at the time, I was her confidant and in retrospect, was much too young to be of any real support without enough life experience to realize what she would have been going through.
Thank you for keeping her in your thoughts and prayers.
Geministorm on September 11, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Adolph would be proud.
I wonder if Dr. Lalonde’s mother would have aborted him if she had had advanced notice that he would turn out to be such a bastard.
29Victor on September 11, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Senator Obama;
You have two young girls.
Do they have human rights?
When did they get human rights?
drjohn on September 11, 2008 at 10:55 PM
My father wanted to make sure my mother “took care of” me, right after she announced to him that I was coming into the world. No, I’m a “normal” human being. 35 years later, I still wonder what made him think I was “worthless” back then… and then changed his mind when he saw me at last.
I’m not someone who lets out curses, but this time, I’m making an exception.
May the sight of children and adults with Down Syndrome always become a nightmare for the idiot who dared to call them “retard”. May their look in this man’s eyes pierce him like a sharp knife that cuts into the soul as into ice. May he never have a day of peace in his life, especially if he ever makes a girlfriend or wife have an abortion.
newton on September 12, 2008 at 1:01 AM
My husband’s great-aunt had an abortion when she was young. It seemed to have given her a lot of grief, and I am not surprised if it did, since every time I saw her, I sensed an incurable sadness in her eyes. She eventually married a Lutheran minister, but never had any children. (We suspect the abortion caused her infertility.) Eventually, she had the chance to take good care of one little boy – my husband, who loved her dearly until the day she died a childless widow.
I don’t know if the pain never really goes away. It didn’t for her.
newton on September 12, 2008 at 1:07 AM
People,
Look, if you want to know what an abortion is, simply google “silent scream”. Watch it. I dare you. I watched it once, sobbed on and off for an hour and refuse to watch it ever again.
And yes, the baby IS trying to desparately escape the instruments. And yes, you can see what appears to be the baby screaming in terror.
Let’s know what it is first before we do all this discussion about it.
Sapwolf on September 12, 2008 at 1:09 AM
And don’t give me that shit about not supporting the mothers. I give to ChooseLife of Alabama.
Sapwolf on September 12, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Thank you for sharing your story. We have each been blessed in some way, but many of us seem unable to recognize the blessing. So, in this you are doubly blessed, for you have also have the joy of treasuring the blessing you know you have received.
Loxodonta on September 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM
“However, most have never mourned for the fertilized eggs that fail to implant on uterine walls–and perhaps more than a million do every year. Perhaps those cells possessed souls and some form of eternal life, but those views vary by religion.”
You’ve never heard of a young family mourning the loss of a child by miscarriage?
hawkdriver on September 12, 2008 at 6:32 AM
It’s tragic and awful to lose a baby due to miscarriage. My wife and I did and I assure you we mourned the loss of our child.
The Democrats and their minions have killed 50 million babies in America. That’s as many as died in WWII… and they’re not done yet. The abomination of abortion will end when people stop voting democrat and start voting for life.
Mojave Mark on September 12, 2008 at 8:16 AM
What the doctor really meant was that this threatened their Eugenics program. People not meeting their requirements are killed off. Black innercity kids for example. The spirit of Martha Sanger / Adolf Hitler lives on until we make it clear once and for all that abortion is never, under any circumstances acceptable, and neither is Eugenics. In Holland already exists legal assisted suicide and now the initiative can come from the doctor rather than the patient.
JC Silverberg on September 12, 2008 at 8:18 AM
The Republican party should make ads calling attention to the racially motivated genocide against blacks that the planned parenthood perpetrates. The irony of Barack Obama supporting this genocide must not be lost.
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Info: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html is one article among a multitude.
JC Silverberg on September 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Yes, if carried for more than a few weeks. However, not in the case of a fertilized egg that failed to implant, though I’ve known couples who have longed for children and been unable to have them.
dedalus on September 12, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Most Americans favor abortion some form of abortion rights. Are you implying that the majority of Americans are complicit in something equal in scale to history’s greatest genocides? What is the nature of America or Americans that they could favor the killing of so many? You point to the Democrats, but many Republican voters and a good number of Republican politicians support the practice.
dedalus on September 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Geministorm, I’m glad you were there for her. It might not have seemed like much, but her sharing that with you may have been the difference between her life now and some even worse outcomes.
Family life can be tough. There’s no such thing as a perfect family. We all bumble along the best we can. But I think you’ve been given a very special place in your sister’s life, and it may surprise you what a difference your love for her can make.
Thank you for sharing her story. Another poster told of her husband’s great-aunt. These are real people, and they’re hurting in a way the rest of us may not realize. Somewhere I read that four out of ten women walking America’s streets have had at least one abortion. That’s a lot of hurt right there where we live and breathe. Prison ministry leaders say anecdotally that about 80% of incarcerated women began their descent into crime after they had an abortion. Those are deep wounds.
When we do the Life Chain and hold the posters up, there are the honks of approval and the middle finger of derision, but the people I really worry about are the ones who stare straight ahead as they drive by. I have a feeling that they’ve already been through hell, and I’d give anything to be able to see them lifted back up.
Abortion = one dead, one wounded.
justincase on September 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM
dedalus at 9:51
We were awaiting the birth of our first child when Bill Clinton was elected the first time. A woman I worked with was gung-ho about Bill and was pro-choice. One time I told her I was troubled by something and asked if I could ask a question that she didn’t have to answer. My question was why she didn’t think my child deserved to be protected from the choice of abortion.
She told me that she was petrified that she could become pregnant and be forced to have the child. She was petrified because she believed it would be a mistake to bring a child into this world. It turns out that she was very depressed and had no hope for her world. Having a child would force her to try to have hope, and she didn’t think she could do that.
I understand what that’s like. But when a person is really sad, the best thing to get them out of it is to help somebody else who truly needs them. A baby is God’s vote that life should go on – not just for the baby, but for the other lives the child touches, including the mother.
Many a mother has found a strength, hope, and joy that she never thought she was capable of. That’s exactly what Sarah Palin and all these other posters here who have experienced it are saying about welcoming special-needs children: that we rise to the need and are ultimately blessed, even if we’re afraid.
I really wonder if the pro-choice numbers are related to depression and fear.
justincase on September 12, 2008 at 11:08 AM
For a parent about to have a child support from friends or family is very helpful. An first-time expecting parent should have some measure of fear, since raising a child isn’t an automated or inexpensive process. It is less difficult to raise a child if there are two parents rather than one and if the household has some stability.
There are a hundred other factors that contribute to a parent’s ability to manage their home and it sounds like your support contributes to the confidence a parent needs–since some days all the preparation in the world isn’t sufficient.
A baby may be God’s vote that life should go on, but it is the parent who is required to provide the continuous effort to nurture that life.
dedalus on September 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM
You libs, go ahead, keep aborting those all those precious little ones. You’re aborting yourself into extinction!
hopefloats on September 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I haven’t read any of the other remarks yet but I think the doctor’s thought process is their belief that it is more of a “drain” to their public healthcare system if these babies are brought to term. To them it’s all about the cost. Pretty sad to think about.
Aggie85 on September 12, 2008 at 12:29 PM
My exit questions: What is wrong with fewer lives lost to abortions? What is it about a doctor expressing concern over fewer abortions?
Wildcatter1980 on September 12, 2008 at 12:38 PM
If it wasn’t for fear, we wouldn’t look for God.
As far as children go, both of mine changed me when I already believed I knew it all.
I am the smartest man in the world because I lived long enough to know how much I don’t know.
platypus on September 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM
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