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Who would Jesus Vote For? (wwjvf)

I believe that Jesus was one of our most profound and successful philosophers. Using the anvil of love and the hammer of forgiveness, he helped 100's of millions of people take more responsibility for their own lives and thus was a major force in human cultural evolution.

If Jesus was alive today, would he vote for the current POTUS or would he vote for a replacement. Please try not to be humorless in your answer.

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  • Jesus wouldn't vote. His focus was not on this world, but on the next. His admonitions, stated in various ways over the time of his ministry, were to accept the conditions of this world and pray for forgiveness in the next.

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    We have freedom of religion, all faiths are welcome here, but we have separation of church and state to keep the government out of moral issues. That is how our founders set things up based on Jesus' teachings.

    Our Declaration of Independence is the most important of all our documents. Along with the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, it is one of the three greatest documents of the English-speaking world. The fifty-six Signers mutually pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor in the cause of liberty. The Declaration was inspired by a higher purpose for humanity. No other patriotic document has ever produced such successful, beneficial and far-reaching results.

    They were good Christian men led by the holy spirit but the love of money, the root of all evil, was part of it. They wanted to create the land of abundance. They knew ethics would have to rule for it to work. The Spirit of '76 was the Holy Spirit and is our true north.

    Abraham Lincoln said, "Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as a heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors. " Lincoln thought, we should pray and worry earnestly whether we are on God's side, on the side of good over evil. Jesus would agree.

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  • Colleen, it is inaccurate to suggest that the Founders set up "separation of church and state." What they set up was a mechanism to prevent the state from establishing an official religion. It was only in the 20th Century that the notion of abolute intolerance for any religion in public affairs took hold.

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    • I am glad to see that someone else understands this. Great Britian had ONE official church and the King's subjects were taxed to support this church. People that wanted to worship in a church other than the Church of England were persecuted. Many of those people immigrated to the colonies (recall the Pilgrims). The Founding Fathers did not want of Church of America; hence, separation of church and state. There are numerous references in Declaration of Independeance and other documents embracing a Judeo Christian basis for the country. I whole heartedly embrace everyone's freedom of religion - Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc. BUT, legal religious intolerance in the name of separation of church and state is a 20th century rewrite of history that mocks the roots of this country.

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      You cannot have freedom of religion without the separation of church and state.

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      • This is an absolutist position. For 150 years, this country welcomed people of many faiths without having the ACLU sue to remove every Christmas tree from every town center. The values of this country, of Western Civilization, are Judeo-Christian. Without those values, we do not have a civilization. The state has never forced a religion on anybody in this country, and that is what the Constitution protects.

        This other nonsense, about insisting on anti-Christianity in all things, has led to gay marriage, Marxists in the White House, and support for the mosque at the site of 9/11. These are all inferior value systems.

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      @Johnathan

      "This is an absolutist position."

      Yes it is.

      "For 150 years, this country welcomed people of many faiths without having the ACLU sue to remove every Christmas tree from every town center."

      Just like we do today, except for the fact that the ACLU doesn't go around trying to remove Christmas trees.

      "The values of this country, of Western Civilization, are Judeo-Christian. Without those values, we do not have a civilization."

      Can you please enumerate some "Judeo-Christian" values that are not ubiquitous throughout the world, and are actually good?

      "The state has never forced a religion on anybody in this country, and that is what the Constitution protects."

      See your next statement for attempts at forcing religion on people in this country.

      "This other nonsense, about insisting on anti-Christianity in all things, has led to gay marriage, Marxists in the White House, and support for the mosque at the site of 9/11. These are all inferior value systems."

      You don't even have the most minuscule sense of irony when you write that, do you?

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      • Randy, there is a difference between values and religion. Opposition to Marxism does not require one to be a Christian, just to have a brain. Opposition to gay marriage does not require one to be a Christian, just to respect all of human history for all of time. Opposition to Islam and sharia law does not require one to be a Christian, just to have eyes wide open about the totalitarian nature of that political system masquerading as a religion.

        Here is a Judeo-Christian value that is good, and is not ubiquitous throughout the world: you shalt not murder.

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      @Johnathan

      "Randy, there is a difference between values and religion."

      And if your values can be explained without resorting to, "Because God said so" then by all means do so. But the ones you are defending generally have no other basis.

      "Opposition to Marxism does not require one to be a Christian, just to have a brain."

      Don't see what that has to do with anything.

      "Opposition to gay marriage does not require one to be a Christian, just to respect all of human history for all of time."

      1) That makes no sense. I'm pretty sure you know that, though.
      2) I thought you said you were against sharia law?

      "Opposition to Islam and sharia law does not require one to be a Christian, just to have eyes wide open about the totalitarian nature of that political system masquerading as a religion."

      If only you were capable of seeing the irony.

      "Here is a Judeo-Christian value that is good, and is not ubiquitous throughout the world: you shalt not murder."

      Nope, pretty much everybody has that one. Even most mammals.

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    @Rick

    "I whole heartedly embrace everyone's freedom of religion - Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc. BUT, legal religious intolerance in the name of separation of church and state is a 20th century rewrite of history that mocks the roots of this country."

    Please provide an example of "legal religious intolerance in the name of separation of church and state" that:
    1) Actually happened, with credible documentation.
    2) Cannot be described as a lack of public funding or official approval for a particular religion or set of religions.
    3) Didn't result in consequences for the person who did it on First Amendment grounds.

    While it is certainly possible that a few examples may exist, I still haven't even gotten one from anyone I've asked this to. Note that a lack of enforcement of separation of some other church you don't like and state is a pretty bad example, as it actually supports my argument.

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    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

    http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

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