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[-]For women who had their first baby in their early 30s, how long did it take you TTC?
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33 yo DF PG on first try. 36 yo SIL on 2nd try. 37 yo DF on 2nd try (used kit). Realize not early 30s but, FWIW, the people i know either got it soon, or had a lot of trouble. So I err on side of recommending checking stuff out, esp if you want to have more than 1, and life-wise makes sense to have DB sooner. If you've been trying for 6 months, go ahead and get a work-up from an RE. If you've been using the predictors, I wouldn't wait the full 6 months. I know woman who pulled goalie at 31, ended up using DEs at 38. I also have good friend who had a couple miscarriages, went to RE, two failed IUIs, ended up getting pg on their own at 40.
[ Reply | More ]One night. Had sex once (I remember the date and time--lol!) in a six week period. I was nearly 33. Same thing the other two times, fwiw. I was 36 and 41. I've never really had to TTC. My mother charmingly told me she got pg with me the first time she had sex; we're very fertile, apparently.
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[-]Considering sperm spinning for number three, already have 2 boys. heard there is a doc in scarsdale who does it. can anyone comfirm and please share his name and contact info? thanks.
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Moregood for you! I wish I had done it, I am pregnant with my 3rd boy and miserable over the fact that I will never have a girl. I wish I had looked into it. I did not know Cornell did it, or I would have been there.
[ Reply | More ]please don't post about being miserable over the fact you will never have a girl...some people who desperately want one child...can't even make that happen and you are on your third. seriously...be so thankful for any healthy child your are lucky enough to receive.
[ Reply | More ]Guess what, I want a girl and I will NEVER have one. So, if you don't like it, too bad. I can post about it all I want. I am MISERABLE that I am having a 3rd boy.
[ Reply | More ]Sounds like you need some therapy. You best go now and start learning how you are going to cope and give this child a decent life...this child that already has made you miserable and perhaps in the future you should take more precautions not to allow yourself to get into this position.
[ Reply | More ]The whole point of our third try was to get a girl. I wish I had known about the sperm spinning. I would have done it. As I said, I will NEVER have a girl. 3 kids are all we can afford. Hence, the misery. It doesn't mean I don't love my kids or I won;t love this one. But, I want a girl. I will ALWAYS want a girl. There will be a hole in my life forever since I won't have a daughter. I have to deal with it.
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[-]TTC 2 years. Been seeing RE at NYU, 3 failed IUIs. Can anyone recommend an RE in NYC who takes a more holistic approach to diagnosis? I feel I'm being pushed towards IVF without my doc really trying to figure out the root of the problem...Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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What testing have you had? Have they detected anything with you or your husband. btw you are very young and you will definitely have a baby :)
[ Reply | More ]I've had all the tests, so has my husband. All appears fine. I just think something may have been overlooked and don't feel like I'm getting very personalized care. Wondering if an RE that's not at one of the big clinics might be a better fit?
[ Reply | More ]IVF is diagnostic as well as a treatment if that makes sense. I was in a similar situation. No polyps, uterine lining OK, sperm OK, FSH acceptable, OK responder etc etc. When they did the first retreival they found out that even though I produced ample eggs they made kind of crappy embryos. Low quality. They may find that the "shells" of the eggs are too think. They can find out through PGD that your embryos have chromosomal problems. Just curious, not being snarky, but what type of problem do you think they might find using a holistic approach? I have to be honest, if you want more than one child, I would just go for the IVF. I have two kids now through three rounds of IVF and I wish we didn't screw around TTC so long and before ...
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I was in your situation a few years ago but I was 37. Same thing, absolutely nothing wrong found. I ended up doing IVF (2nd one worked) after 2 failed IUI's. I may have gotten pg naturally eventually, but I chose the aggressive route since I was in my late 30's. Had I been a few years younger, I'd continue to try naturally a little longer. Sometimes nothing is wrong, it just takes some people a long time.
[ Reply | More ]I was exactly you. 3 failed iuis at NYU. Unexplained infertility. 33 years old. 1 ivf cycle = 1 healthy amazing dc, the love of our lives. Best choice I ever made. If you cannot afford look into Nys fertility demonstration project. How have you responded so far. Do you make a lot of eggs. Ivf may actually do the trick.
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NYU participates in the Nys fertility demonstration project. Check their website. Whose your doctor? I saw Licciardi...love him. Was never pushed to do ivf. I actually over-stimed my first iui cycle and was told by grief that I was perfect candidate for ivf. Although, he was probably right, i just wasnt ready for ivf. Licciardi suggested I wait because he knew my insurance would pick up iuis and he said he thought I wasn't emotionally ready as I hadn't exhausted my other options. I felt like he totally "got me" and what I was going through. He recommended three injectible iui before ivf. Good luck to you!!!!!
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I met with an RE (multiple miscarriages) and he admitted sometimes they can't figure out why things aren't happening. (They did find an issue with me and it was treatable, thank god.) I have a few friends that gave up after a few IUI tries and went to IVF. I would not bother with a "holistic" approach excpet of course to take care of yourself, get the support you need emotionally, make sure you and your dh are caring for each other, etc. Otherwise though I would love the idea of being able to cure myself with fresh berries, sometimes invasive western medicine is the way to go.
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[-]I am starting my third IVF cycle and exhausted all my insurance coverage. If anyone has any left over, non-expired ganerelix they would like to donate or sell, I am very interested!! I can meet in NYC.
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[-]IVF moms: first IVF failed. Chemical pregnancy (5 weeks). Need encouragement. Any advice from BTDT?
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[-]Anyone do back to back fresh IVF cycles? My RE allows it. Any advice?
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | MoreI did 4 cycles with a month off between each. Not ideal but I was 37 and didn't want to waste time.
[ Reply | More ]What about using the period after the end of one cycle to start the next cycle (no month off in between)? Any thoughts? Hopefully your 4th cycle worked?
[ Reply | More ]yes, 4th cycle was twins! well worth it. as for back-to-back cycles as you describe, I don't know if I would want to do that. It was hard enough trying to regroup mentally and physically after a month, but to start right up again with the meds and the monitoring would be tough. A month is not a long time to wait; personally, I would take a month to recover and start again after that. GL!
[ Reply | More ]PS Just saw your post below; I would wait until September as, as poster below recommends, take that time to get as healthy and relaxed as possible. Acupuncture, eat good foods, take a mini-vacation, just indulge yourself in ways you will not be able to once you are pregnant. That wait, which seems like forever now, is really just a blip of time and will pass quickly if you keep yourself busy.
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Why rush? I was in a blazing hurry to keep trying and ultimately was forced to take a few months off. In retrospect the few months gave me time to mentally pull it together. Our 4th worked. Good luck to you!
[ Reply | More ]My clinic is closed in August, so if I dont do another fresh right away I will have to wait until September. I think some people need time to mentally take a break, and others feel more proactive trying again because waiting causes anxiety. I guess it's a personal decision, but I think I would feel better being proactive?
[ Reply | More ]I was the same. Couldn't start soon enough to feel like I was actually "doing" something about it. But the mandatory break let me do some yoga, some accupuncture and feel like my body was in the best possible shape to do it again. We also took that time to start down the adoption road which also gave me hope that somehow or another we were going to be parents. Now adoption is not for everyone, but for us it was a reasonable explanation.
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[-]Has anyone on thise site had the horrible, tragic experience of a still birth. I had one a few weeks ago and feel so alone and singled out and miserable. I went to a support group, but they had all delivered preemies that died and one had a late abortion because the amnio showed Down Syndrome. No one like me. I hate everyone and everything on this planet right now.
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | MoreI, too, lost a baby and went to a support group and my situation was quite different than everyone else. Yes, I felt like an outsider at first because of my story, but they helped me tremendously. Stay with the support group, even if your situation is different. The thing about grief support groups is that everyone will have different stories, but you do grow to really help one another. I'm really sorry for your loss.
[ Reply | More ]not personally, no. but, my cousin did. she was in a bad place for a while. she went to a therapist and it helped her. she delivered vaginally at 8 months knowing her baby had died. another cousin delivered a baby who died within an hour. she also went to a therapist. you need a good one, if you're going to go that route. i think support groups are good for many, but this is such an individual loss, i believe it is best to go for one on one. i'm so sorry. i wish you the best.
[ Reply | More ]I'm so sorry and hope you find someone else soon who has BTDT, nothing like that. I now 2 people this happened to and one went on to have 6 children and the other had 2 children. You will have a happy ending but you need to take time and grieve now, the fact you are feeling awful means you're doing a great job emotionally of processing the pain rather than numbing out on it.
[ Reply | More ]OP -- you might try searching "stillborn" on this site so you can read past posts. There are probably only 50 people who see these posts before they sink low on the list and odds of stillborn is 1 in 160. If your post could stay at the top I'm sure you'd have several BTDTs within a day or two. Hang in there, you will find someone to talk to and I'm sure it will be a great comfort.
[ Reply | More ]I'm so sorry, OP. It must feel like you are in hell right now. I know that INCIID (an infertility information and support board) used to have a forum for child loss. You might google and see if you can find it. The women there were dealing with very raw emotions--sadness, rage, you name it. Here is a hug from cyberspace. I'm so sorry for your loss.
[ Reply | More ]^^^Here is a link: http://www.inciid.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=29 It says miscarriage and pregnancy loss, but the subhead includes stillbirth. GL, OP.
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I'm very sorry for your loss. It's possible that you just aren't up for connecting with other people right now, but I would stick with the support group until you find something better. Even if you don't talk at all, even if you sit there hating them all, I think that sooner or later you might find common ground, maybe with the parents who lost their preemies. Consider giving it a couple more weeks. GL.
[ Reply | More ]I am sorry. I am grieving someone in a different situation and yet feel very alone and look around at everyone else not going through this and am sad and bitter, so I understand, death is horrible and isolating and your longed-for baby has died. Every grief is different and don't know why some of us have to endure such unfair crap and loss. I do have a friend that had a still birth, she had a normal pregnancy and then at the very end found out (undiagnosed clotting disorder had caused a clot, so sad, so many if onlues), had to go through labor and delivery of a full-term but deceased baby. It took her a while to feel okay, of course it took a while. It is a huge loss. She needed to really memoriale her baby, had a name bracelet made,...
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[-]I just had an IVF cycle cancelled at CWRC. My RE prescribed the lowest dosages of bravelle and menopur, despite a high FSH result and advanced age. When I returned for monitoring on Day 6, I had only developed one follicle, but the doctor did not adjust my dosage, and told me to come back in two days for an ultrasound and expect the cycle to be cancelled. Has anyone had any similar experience regarding dosage/non-adjustment of dosage, or is this a case of the RE just prescribing a baseline dosage and not putting more thought into what might be needed. My question is also prompted by the fact that my RE, after cancelling the IVF cycle, asked if my fallopian tubes had ever been checked- I thought she should have read enough of my chart to...
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Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, you are right, it might be time to look at other clinics-- the RE was in such a hurry to move on to the next ultrasound, that she basicly refused to answer any of my questions, including "what do I do next"? She told me to book an appointment with her to discuss; the next available appointment will delay us another month. As an FYI, we were previously delayed a month because CWRC "lost" my blood that was drawn for the MIS test.
[ Reply | More ]Change. Your mental state of mind is critical to your success. You need to feel like you are getting the best care you can get. The stakes are too emotionally high to screw around. FWIW, we had wonderful care/success with Colorado's CCRM. Yes, it required travel, but it was worth it. Small office, great statistics and success rates.
[ Reply | More ]ccrm is an awesome option if you don't mind traveling out of state to cycle, but you dont have to with so many great options in NYC. did you check out ivfconnections.net, the locations board for NYC? there isn't anyone on there with a good thing to say about cwrc, the REs only work there cos they wouldnt get hired anywhere else.
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Everyone's experience is different, you should really see for yourself who you feel the most comfortable with, it can vary with the individual. I had a very positive experience at the CWRC so cannot agree with the comments below...not to say that those people are "wrong" but its their personal opinions. just remember that!
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cwrc is a dump, get your records and get out, run don't walk. consider this a lucky escape as they make so many mistakes at that place who knows whos embryo they may have transferred into you. try drew tortoriello at the sher institute in midtown, or cornell, or nyu - though ask up front if they'll cxl a low responder. the clinics do that to preserve their success rate stats, tks REs. what an idiot RE to be asking these questions after the fact, but of course at cwrc they don't give a shxt about their patients so just find another RE, so much upside after a cycle there! sorry you went through this.
[ Reply | More ]My RE who saw me thru IUIs told me I should move on to IVF. CWRC was covered by my ins at that time. RE said when I was deciding not to fall for the name for a place but to check stats. I interpreted that as don't go to CWRC. I ended up going to Cooper Center in NJ which deals with high fsh. It's 1.5 hours away. I went for my initial consult and retrieval and transfer. I had all my monitoring done locally. And since it's in NJ, you're not paying Manhattan prices.
[ Reply | More ]She should have changed your protocol mid cycle. My RE started checking after 4 days of stims and adjusted my dose each of my cycles (I've done 5). I would be ticked if they just let me low stim and ride it out. Those meds aren't cheap!!! As for the fallopian tubes, that's an odd question because working fallopian tubes are totally irrelevant to a successful IVF cycle. Hang in there. Our 5th fresh cycle was the winner for us.
[ Reply | More ]ita. but the simpleton REs at cwrc just follow cookie cutter protocols. plus you rarely get to see the RE through the cycle as you get whatever stray is on the beat that am. it's like being a battery farm hen. OP - get on ivfc, post your age/history/dx etc, you'll get the best direction there and then make your decision. but DO NOT cycle at cwrc again.
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Odd. RE should absolutely be adjusting your dosage if you're not responding well. You should also have done an HSG before starting and she should have been well aware if you have tube issues. Go for a consultation at Cornell (CRMI). I'm a poor responder to stims and at my first clinic, only two eggs were retrieved, but using an estrogen-priming protocol, I had eight retrieved at my last IVF at Cornell.
[ Reply | More ]I am the above NYFI poster and they blew this off with me too- I think some of the smaller places do- NYU insisted on the HSG before the 1st cycle.
[ Reply | More ]Thanks to everyone for the helpful responses. Unfortuantely I read some not so good stuff about CWRC, AFTER, I was all set up there so to say and convinced myself to give it a try. It seemed logical that my drugs should have changed mid-cycle when I was not responding, but since I had a chance to get about two words out before the RE ran out of the ultrasound room (after the first monitoring) I did not ask, and just figured that things were hopeless. I will look into Cornell and NYU. Also, has anyone had experience with IVF NJ- specifically, the Hamilton, NJ location? Thanks!
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Sorry to hear about your experience. The one upside to being cxled is that you don't get charged for the full cycle. I had my first and worst cycle at CWRC with Dr Choi, truly awful experience, I went on to cycle with Dr T at SIRM NY which I would highly recommend - small, intimate clinic, great personal service and I'm pg!!
[ Reply | More ]I would switch - I used CWRC and switched docs there (from one of the 2 females - both were actually awful, one more so than the other) to another doctor there - but I wound up getting PG on my first medicated IUI cycle, so I didn't need IVF. I would switch if I needed IVF and probably wouldn't go back for baby #2.
[ Reply | More ]CWRC is Awful!!! Hi-realize this response is late-but just joined urban baby and yes, have had numerous horrible experiences with CWRC-and we were going there for nearly 4 years! They are so disorganized, unprofessional and generally an uncaring practice. I have heard so many complaints while going here-that I should have left a long time ago, but just due to being busy etc. Our main RE was supposed to be DR. Sauer-but since he's always out of town etc. and constantly cancels appointments with little or no(yes I said no notice-I found out accidentally once that he was to be out of town, after we painstakingly re-arranged our schedules to meet.) The staff is generally lacking in so much I do not know where to begin. They make mistake after m...
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I wish I could help. Failed Clomid for 4 months. 2 failed IUIs with injectibles. 1 failed IVF with supposedly perfect embryos. Got pregnant the "regular way" on the break I was forced to take until the next IVF. It's sort of encouraging, but I know it's the last thing someone wants to hear while going through ART.
[ Reply | More ]not what you're asking but close, so i'll post. our first cycle cancelled after retrieval bec of lining--we froze the few we got. next cycle--first full cycle-- was a success. hadn't done anything prior. local clinic had rec'd IUI but second opinion (ccrm) was to go straight to IVF. GL
[ Reply | More ]yup! got lucky on my first round of IVF.. transferred 3 embryos and yesterday i had my 12 week ultrasound and saw my baby squirming around in there! I went to Columbia and have nothing but good things to say about the experience. My sister tried 2 different REs before finally going to Columbia, had her first appointment with Dr Park and ended up pregnant naturally a week later! I told her Dr Park is my good luck charm!
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[-](m/c mentioned) Hi folks. Just looking for some gentle support here. I'm in 2WW following my first DE cycle. We've had 3 natural conceptions, followed by m/c, then 3 failed IVFs and 2 failed IUIs. I'll be 43 on Sunday. We did CGH (genetic testing) on our embryos and transferred a day 5 blast on Saturday. The little girl embryo was already hatching when transferred, so in my mind, it would have implanted by now and First Response should at least have a faint second line by now, but that isn't the case. Today is 4dp5dt (or 9dp retrieval/ovulation). Namaste.
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | MoreI'm sorry that I can't understand all of this post but I do get that you're hoping to have a positive PG test and I just wanted to say good luck! I'm thinking positive thoughts.
[ Reply | More ]Good luck! I'm assuming you're using the early responder test? Maybe ask your RE to do a blood test?
[ Reply | More ]Yes, indeed I am using the early responder/super sensitive one. RE won't do Beta blood test until a week from today. sigh...I just have to wait. I could use a really hard run or a really intense yoga class right about now (or a really large glass of Malbec, for that matter). But I can't do any of those things.
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Good Luck to you OP! It is too early to test accurately (either + or -), I'd test again at 11dpo/r (at the earliest). Keeping my fingers crossed... I was in the same boat 8 years ago and now I've got twin soon-to-be-3rd graders. Meditation worked wonders for me to get me through all the waiting.
[ Reply | More ]honestly, with my twins (IUI) I got a NEG pg test. I was like, ok, another neg and drank 3 glasses of wine. And lo and behold, they are 7 now. And w/ my oopsie baby, the pg test showed positive almost immediately. Go figure. Good luck, hang in there. I know it's so hard.
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[-]Any suggestions on a fertility specialist in NYC? Only been TTC for 5 months, but all 5 were with taking temperature every day, accupuncture and lately herbal meds from accupuncturist to help fertility. Have a 2.5 year old who was conceived with no problem. Advice?? I really don't want to keep trying for another 6 mos, since I had medical issues the first time around that I will most likely have again next time, and want to do this sooner rather than later. Thanks!
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ITTTTTD. Know many many happy successful patients of Drs. Sultan & Fateh including very dear friends.
[ Reply | More ]They were great for us so I disagree with this. I never had any issues with their practice - they were always professional and helpful. I did connect more with Dr. Sultan and he was my lead MD. The small office atmosphere was relaxing and I liked it more than the larger practices around NYC.
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Do tell. He gave me my little boy, who cares what he does with his personal life....
[ Reply | More ]and by the way CCRM is the best and I've been to every clinic. One shot of PGS with microarray and your odds go way up....if you have normals. Or you can waste your time and money just cycling for the hell of it. Better to do two cycles, take saizen, follow Schoolcraft's advice and you will get pregnant if you have normals. I'm 43 and about to put back 2 normals. My odds are 85 percent really but lower because of my age....which means nothing since they can get the uterus of a 70 year old woman to get pregnant - mine should be a cakewalk. Good luck to anyone in this boat - my advice after 10 cycles is to head straight to CCRM, don't walk - run and get it all done in one shot with genetic testing so you know you aren't putting back mis...
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I saw Dr. Wang but you will basically see all doctors at the monitoring appts. Agree with the other poster that they do not have the stats of Cornell and NYU--but I believe stats are only for IVF. Many people get pregnant before IVF is necessary. If I had needed IVF, I would have switched to Cornell.
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WITHOUT A DOUBT.. CORNELL. Dr. Spandorfer.. I'm 41 and just got pregnant on first IVF try.. but I had been to two other clinics and can tell you the difference with Cornell and others is a million miles apart.. no guarantee it will work, but they are the best in class, wihtout any doubt.
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[-]I saw Goldschlag at Cornell and now want to switch to Spandorfer (had a bad experience--didn't get the results of any lab tests and was told to just do IVF, it was a rushed apt).. does anyone know if this is allowed?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | MoreDid you eventually see the results? Do you think it's too soon for IVF? Consider contacting ccrm for a consult. You give them whatever info you have and they do a phone appt. Get a second opinion that way before leaving Cornell. from what I read a few years ago, if you're borderline IVF is the best bet. Likeliest to get you PG. 2d opinion may help you decide how to proceed.
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[-]We are looking for a donor egg agency. Anyone have any experience with "Giving Hope Egg Donation" or "Giving Hope LLC"?
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Morewe used Angela at eggceptional and she was terrific, we had a lot of false starts with bad agencies who lied about the donors so be careful. are you familiar with this site, lots of supportive DE moms - http://www.network54.com/Forum/57451/. also there's another www that reviews the donor agencies, i'll see if i can find it. GL
[ Reply | More ]here it is - http://www.greateggs.com/
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[-]IVF question: Any elective single blastocyst transfer success stories? Chose to transfer 1, need encouragement.
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I didn't get to choose - only had one - but was successful, and I am 37 with DOR. At your age with no history of chromosomal issues, SET seems like a good choice; there are tons of healthy twins but there's no denying itit is more complicated
[ Reply | More ]why can I not type...no denying it is potentially more complicated, and SET is very standard practice outside the US. FWIW since I had 1 kid on my own w/no help, RE would not have allowed me to do more than 2 even with my age and diagnosis. GL, many women have no symptoms in 2WW and often not until 6-10 weeks pg.
[ Reply | More ]Thanks, since it was my first IVF and we had a couple good quality blasts and dont want twins, I figured I'd try for 1. if it doesnt work, esp. multiple failures, I may reassess. doc quoted 50% chance of twins w/ my age & blast quality. if I got pregnant with twins on my first try, I'd regret not having tried for 1. if it doesnt work, we'll see.
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[-]Anyone do acupuncture during fertility treatments and if so, how often and do you recommend?
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If you know ahead of time, starting acupuncture 3 months ahead of time will really help make the difference in your hormone levels and prep your body for IVF. I started with Angela Le 3 months before and we worked on hormones, diet and my emotional state before IVF. It truly made a difference going into fertility treatments with her support.
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[-]IVF moms: had upset stomach (diarrhea) night of transfer (about 9 or 10 hours later). worried that the intestinal cramps caused embryo to be expelled or caused uterine contractions? any advice?
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I had the same thing, though maybe it was 1 day after transfer, and was convinced I had some kind of flu or food poisoning that would ruin any hope of success. I'm now 21 weeks pg. What day did you do the transfer on? Mine was a 6-day, and my acupuncturist thought the tummy upset may have been related to implantation cramping. (P.S., a medicinal glass of wine will help w/ cramping and will not harm embryo at this stage.)
[ Reply | More ]Congrats! I had a 5 day transfer in the morning, and the diarrhea was around 9/10 pm, an our or so after dinner. I am pretty sure the stomach upset was gas/food upset, esp. because I had diarrhea. I read embryos dont implant until day 7/8 or so, right, so I am hoping that all the cramping didnt expel the embryo which hadnt had a chance to implant yet. Also good to read that it didnt affect yours! Did you have a lot of abdominal cramping with the tummy upset? I am SURE I am being a lunatic to worry, I just didnt want anything to hurt my chances.
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[-]I'm really unsatisfied with my RE at Cornell and desperately want to switch within the facility to someone better. Does anyone know if this is permissible?
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | MoreWhy? Don't they caucus together on your test results and protocol? We (not nyc or we'd have gone to cornell) spoke with ours (ccrm) once on the phone, met with him when we travelled out there for 1 day workup and didn't see him again. Someone else did retrieval, another doc did transfers. We did talk to him once on phone re doing fet or full ivf for 2d attempt.
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My husband and I have been married for 7 years. Two months after we got married in 2004 I was diagnosed with a large benign ovarian tumor on my left ovary... I recovered fine and got to keep most of my left ovary but carried infertility fear with me.. Fast forward today. My hubby and I started TTC this past Jan. After noticing that I was spotting for 7 days before my period I consulted my cornell gyn and he recommended I see an RE, preferably one at Cornell. While he iniitally recommended steve spadafore, my insurance would only cover dan goldschlag. I heard good things about Goldschlag so I made an apt. I had the initial 10 vial blood panel, the ovarian 3 day reserve test, an ultrasound and HSG. THe HSG was painful but Dr. G immediatly ...
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