Still on a hiding

I’m sad and amazed too that the figures are not even lower.  I cannot believe some people are so blind to what this incompetent government is doing to this country.

you have to wonder how the hell Labor can still manage to get 45% of the 2PP.

Maybe some of the (more faultier than most) Climate Change models have had a change of career.

Nothing Ant. I know people who love Labor no matter what. It is sad, very sad.

If this government cannot see the damage they have done and continue to do to Australia and its people then we the public
have a very very serious problem on our hands.
Is the trashing, squandering poor judgement in fact deliberate
from a government which in fact hates this country and the
majority of its people, its history, culture, traditions ..it would
seem so.

Still, you have to wonder how the hell Labor can still manage to get 45% of the 2PP.

“Vote early and vote often”.

An old A.L.P. motto.

What is interesting is that NONE of the people I speak to support the ALP. ???? where do they get their figures ???? Altona?

Unfortunately those 45% have their unthinking reasons to vote ALP.

Here’s a line in The Age on that poll:

”If the Coalition wanted insurance, it could replace Tony Abbott with Malcolm Turnbull, a move which the poll says would push the Coalition’s vote even higher than it is now.”

They’re pathetic, aren’t they?  I almost feel sorry for them.

25% of australian’s are not born here and 10% of the work force are public servants and the rest of the true believers are victims of heavy drug and alcohol abuse so there’s your 45%.

Much the same as the Greens giving Lee Rhiannon the policy of democracy !!  What a joke two communists running our democracy - what democracy??  You will do as I say not as I do.

Well the children (the voters) are spitting the vegetables back in her face - metaphorically speaking of course.

Eat your greens! Gillard is getting eaten by her greens!

Did Oakeshott sink in this mud as well. Hope so.

Yeah Jack....

Maybe we should change the constitution so the polls decide when we go to an election. Especially Newspoll’s.

I particularly like the poll that asked the question, would you pay to help abbait climate change.... with NO mention of course, that the government has a compensation package.. That was a “goodin”.

Maybe we could use that poll to go by. That’s Fair and Balanced.

Is’nt it...??

Ok fair and balanced - so the government is taxing the big polluters right? and we are to naively believe that these big polluters will just absorb this tax and all associated costs and not pass it on to the consumer right?

and if they do (which they will) the government will compensate us all right?

So a tax will be imposed on polluters who will merely pass it on to consumers (who are polluters and keep the ‘big polluters’ in business) - so we all pay the tax and then all the money raised from this tax will be repaid back to us as compensation??

Why?

How will this punish these so called big polluters and change our evil polluting behaviour and why would the government put this huge costly tax on us only to give it back to us??

how will this combat climate change??

How will this stop the currently non-existant global warming??

If Gizzard is going to give all the tax money back to us as compensation where will funding come from for investment in this wonderful, mystical renewable engery??

Are you really that simple to not see a blatant wealth redistribution and tax grab right in your face??.....

Er, Fair and Balanced that would be abate and isn’t.

What is it with trolls & illiteracy?

Right Jack..Just shows there is around 45% unfair unbalanced people around getting paid directly or indirectly by this gov. for unproductive work ....otherwise why would you try to defend...the ineptitude of them???

Bzzzt!, wrong again Livid.
Jack said no such thing about polls being a constutional trigger for an election.
Gee, talk about warped interpretations. Jack was implying that a 65/35 poll result would be so devastating that it would probably cause a seismic shift within the ranks of the ALP and lead to the knifing of the PM, this would in turn would create a poltical climate that would lead to an election.

Federal Labor could then hold the second Sorry Day (during their election campaign), sorry for wasting tens of billions of dollars of BORROWED tax payers money, sorry for plunging Australia from $22Bill surplus to $195 Billion in debt, sorry for lying about the carbon tax, imposing Green totalitarianism and recklessness. Then maybe they could get their 35% 2PP

As for leading poll questions! ha!, the Green groups are experts at it and now YOU want to have a whinge?

Fair and Balanced replied to Jack
Tue 28 Jun 11 (09:12am)

Yeah Jack....

Maybe we should change the constitution so the polls decide when we go to an election. Especially Newspoll’s.

And you say skeptics are in denial. This is a classic case.

The ALP are finished and you know it.

Maybe we should change the constitution so the polls decide when we go to an election. Especially Newspoll’s.

Or maybe F&B;we could ask a lying PM to uphold the results of the last democratic election where Australian’s said an emphatic NO to any price on Co2…

That’s Fair and Balanced. Is’nt it...??

Your stupidity is beyond the pale…

Yes, but it’s the year of decision and delivery...

“...the year of decision and ‘delivery’...”

No matter how one looks at it - the hollow woman. 

Does stillborn count as a delivery, SBS?

Labor went to the election with a Policy of “No Carbon Tax”.

No one voted for a new “sin” tax. Denied Once.

A plebiscite would have provided an opportunity to vote on a major new and totally unnecessary “sin” tax.
Denied Twice.

The ruling elites claim that they know what is best for us.

We will have to remind them that they do not.

The press gallery are desperately scratching around to create a narrative that sticks, and nothing is working.

I think people have stopped listening to them as well.

What a shame this polling wasn’t available until just after Q&A;last night. It would have made Albanese suck eggs.
Hockey was brutally good, confirming the coalition would sack at least 20,000 public servants in Canberra when they were re-elected. This makes the rest of Australia feel good without changing anything in Canberra because it is still a Labor town whatever happens.

Tony and his team know what the people want and indeed
demand.
Tony also knows the people have had a gutfull of Labors
games, mind and otherwise and demand a return to mature
responsible prudent fiscal conservative and patriotic government.The government they infact voted for in 2010
and would have got but for the treachery of Oakeshott and
Windsor.
There is also the not inconsiderable matter of the continued
assault from the PCs on our freedom of speech - every
Australians democratic right and for which so many have
fought and fallen over the decades.An increasing concern
to all ordinary Australians.
We demand the election we have to have as we can no longer
afford this mendacious, amoral ‘what Julia wants, Juliar gets”
worst ever Prime Minister and her ship of fool government.
Nor will the people tolerate another round of musical chairs
with the Office of the Prime Minister of Australia by played by
cyncial and despicable ALP “king makers”.

Yes for sure Bennoba....

Especially the Newslimited press, the centre right press that has is 66% of print media in Australia...and is the largest in the world.

Anybody with their eyes wide shut can see they are really bagging Abbott at every turn. It’s relentless I tell you. I don’t know how he managed to crawl from the bottom of the polls with such media bias against him..

A true champion....

Nah, keep her on. It’ll be fun to see how low this can go, still room for extra depth.

When the next Labor government comes in and surpasses even Julia’s ineptitude, the ALP will lionise her. They will sing the praises of Australia’s first female PM to prove how great they are - and gloss over the ruin she has visited upon us.

Interesting that the person to beat in the unpopularity stakes was Keating, another Labor icon. Chifley is revered, but was swept from office and Labor languished in opposition.

The deal she struck with the independents last year to form Government, was always going to be a poisoned chalice, and so it has proven so far to be.

Unfortunately, the only issue getting airplay at the moment is the Carbon Tax, but there are other important issues which simply are not on the Government’s Agenda, which are being neglected to the detriment of the people.

Come Back Sir John Kerr - We Need you

Chris M, you realise that Gillard turning up in China,covered in dirt and with a shovel in hand will legitimately allow China to declare war on us for crimes against humanity, right?

One can surmise that the Lib voters are polling for Rudd and the Labor voters are polling for Turnbull.  Just a little mischief on behalf of the Press and Pollsters.

No way do you jump off a winning horse. Tony is safe!  Unfortunately someone seems to have hobbled Julia.  Rudd is also doing a wonderful job of tightening the saddle strap?

Why would you ask if people would vote conservative if a non-conservative was the leader? 

The only people who want Malcolm Turnbull to be leader are people who would never in truth vote Liberal.

People should be asked if Turnbull doesn’t lead the conservatives, will you vote Labor

Why the hell would you pose a question like that. Don’t you remember the polls when Turnbull was leader?

It’s pretty obvious that your ‘question’ has already been answered by the current polls. Abbott is the preferred PM, end of story.

Likewise, was at a ‘tradies’ pub and heard the same sort of thing.

IMO it comes down to money, people feel like they pay too much tax, and then they see Julia spending our money like it’s going out of fashion, then with a straight face, telling us that prices have to go up, that’s part of the plan!

Oh, and a new tax.....

Good Harry, but it might be if the greens don’t finish you.

“No Soup for You!”

Remember this Seinfeld episode.

This formed the basis of Labor “Climate Change” policy.

If we do not line up to get something that is supposed to make us all feel “warm inside”, then its ”No Soup for You” (ie cheques in the mail).

But the current Greens arnt the healthy ones.

Somehow, 90% of us will remain happy and healthy without
eating our greens.
It’s just the other recalcitrant 10%, the ones who produce power,
jobs, industry etc..  It’s a Marxist thing

21% undecided! One could surmise that these people wont go to the Greens and are Labor supporters just parking their vote.

If so, Gillard better not make ONE MORE mistake!  These are the rusted on voters who if they cross the divide, will never come back!

I agree Treeman, if voter intentions today were truly reflected in this poll it would be even more disastrous for Labor.

What is missing is a true assessment of preferences as things stand now, not as counted in the August poll. Who in their right mind would now preference the Greens or any Independents?

These poll questions should include first and second preference intentions. We would then see the true picture.

Too true Treeman but only if people actually study who or what they vote for.

I was at a mates place last Friday night and was speaking with his mum about the pathetic government we have. She has always been conservative with her voting so she told me she wanted to vote for the Greens so that the people in the bush would be looked after.

Nice sentiment to be sure but that’s what happens when people who know nothing about politics are forced to vote. She was outraged over the Co2 tax and Labor for lying about it so when I informed her that this was the policy of the Greens she was shocked.

Now this will change her vote in the next election but that’s still a few years away and people like her are the reason we are in this mess at the moment.

The French Dumped their proposed “carbon” Tax.

It took at hiding at the elections to do it.

Gosh. Someone still listens to Philip Adams?

Philip who?

Yeah, judy from the ridge etc: Labor politicians crossing the floor, in both our dreams…

We live in hope!

And risk having their houses burned down, toes removed or knees belted with a baseball bat, etc?  Anybody in Labor who crosses the floor risks something along these lines.  Democracy reigns in that party - not!