Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 18:44

Good for you MM. Also, keep an eye out for 'Everybody's got to learn sometime'. Out soon

Mark Sugrue (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 18:56

Watch the movie on http://www.seeloosechange.com/

(not on wikipedia!)

Edward Rynearson (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 19:57

Once you take this Neocon Cool-aide antidote, everything starts to make sense. In the end, it’s about power, wealth and humans symbolically trying to over-come their immortality by becoming walking gods. Our children who manage to survive the climatic holocaust will think us all great fools for believing such a silly story woven by statuesque men with expensive suits and no souls.

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 20:14

CRITICAL FLYERS

Sifting for Gold in Loose Change - 2 versions

link
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/downloads.htm
(http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pdf%20files/loosechange.pdf)

CRITICAL COMMENTARY

'What, Then, is Amiss With "Loose Change," the New 9/11 DVD Promoted by FOX?'
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php

Loose Change Wikipedia page - Criticism section
link

"Loose Change" An analysis by Michael B. Green, August 3, 2005
link

MAINSTREAM PRESS ATTACKS BASED ON LOOSE CHANGE

USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/
2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm?POE=TECISVA
"The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred," says Debra Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot of American Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon. They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."

CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/04/
cnn-covers-911-skeptics-and.html
CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer briefly covered 9/11 'conspiracy theory' websites this evening including references to Loose Change Second Edition . . . "..they want the government to release pentagon surveillance videos saying they think a cruise missile hit the pentagon instead of a plane."

PREVIOUS SIMILAR MEDIA COVERAGE OF "NO PLANE" THEORIES

The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory: Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics
link

QUESTIONS:

• Why do the most high-profile productions in the history of the 9/11 truth movement all profess "no-plane-at-the-Pentagon" and all draw extremely derogatory and exclusive press (eclipsing all other issues) on this position?
  (In Plane Site,' the Pentagon Strike flash and now 'Loose Change' all agree there was either no plane at the Pentagon, Shankesville or WTC)

• How many people do you think are actually being 'turned off' to our movement because of high-profile positions that assert that commercial jets did not hit the buildings and that passengers must have been dissapeared?

• Why do these films assert that a missile hit when not a single eye-witness in DC, of over 100 documented online accounts , ever say, "I saw a missile!"?

• Why was Steven Jones not easily dismissed during his prominent MSNBC coverage? What was different about the positions he put forth and the evidence he showed?

• Why does Loose Change mention "The American Free Press" on at least 4 occasions, as a reputable source, a publication that promotes White Supremacy events and organizations?

[edited to remove extra long links -ed.]

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 20:23

They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."

Loose Change guys are decent people, film is being distributed for free. The USA was founded by anti-government malcontents. And just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that USA Tody isn't owned by the CIA.

Me thinks the CIA is at war with its self. The publishing wing is trying to take out the crazies before they drop the bomb on Iran.

Imagination people. "They hate our freedom" - what dribble designed for sit-com saturated gray matter.

Panther (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 20:42

Follow this link for everything you need to know about Loose Change and the 911 conspiracy. This is the real 'stuff they're not telling you'... http://tinyurl.com/jnfp8

Vesa (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 20:48

The Observer reviewer writes that people believe in conspiracies "because, after all, conspiracies are comforting":

link

The guy doesn't know what he is writing about. I, for one, don't consider it comforting at all to not be able to believe the official story of 9/11.

I think the case of WTC 7 alone proves that it is not true. Here's my Finnish perspective on it:

link

If a skyscraper collapsed in 7 seconds into its footprint here in Helsinki, I don't think that all of its debris would be recycled until the very final report had been written...

[edited to remove extra-long links -ed.]

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 21:40

Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200 with a length of 155ft, weighing over 100 tons, and crashing 580mph* at nearly a 90-degree angle straight into the ground made a crater only 10ft deep?

See: http://killtown.911review.org/htb2.html
--

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 21:46

See what we're talking about.

Watch this video free at Google video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=LOOSE+CHANGE

This video will reaffirm the un-official story in the minds of the American public. Scholars, whistle blowers (at the highest and lowest level), business professionals, scientists, newspaper columnists, peace activists, people on the left and right of the political spectrum, military personal, intelligence personal, politicians from various countries, fireman, and policeman, families of the deceased, and the most important of all...the tax paying US citizens, in fact a Zogby poll in New York claims greater than 70% of people of New York city agree that not only did the government have prior knowledge but that they where involved in it.

seraph (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 21:58

The people who made LC2E are the real heroes, not the members of the 19 arab conspiracy theory brigade. The 19 arab theory is the worst conspiracy theory out there, except for the hologram crap.

Oh, and the so called debunking of LC2E is nothing of the sort, it is the opinions of a member of the 19 arab crew. One of the most obvious lies in the "debunking" is the claim that Bin Laden said he was behind the attacks, which he hasn't said, he has denied being behind 9/11.

There is a difference between being wrong and lying. The creators may have made a few mistakes in LC2E, but overall that does not matter, because it is a step in the right direction, the truth, and I can tell you, the offical conspiracy theory is one massive lie.

People who believe, for example, that damage to one corner of WTC 7 and some random fires could cause a perfect symmetrical 6 second free fall collapse are must be very stupid, it was a demolition, and the towers where demolished too.

Oh and the explanation for the squibs in the so called debunking of LC2E made me laugh. Those squibs appear 20 - 30 stories below the demolition wave, guess what causes them, yep, explosives.

Witnesses heard explosions, felt explosions, saw flashes inside the towers, so, pop pop pop flash flash flash bang bang bang total collapse.

If it looks and sounds like a duck...

Skaface (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 22:32

About time!

edeverett wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 22:39

Hi everyone.

There are some some topics here that are perhaps only marginally related to film-making. This is a website and thread that should be related to film-making, and so I'd ask everyone to make sure any further comments are on topic and are relavent to this website's community.

Thank you to 911blogger.com for highlighting our report and thanks to our visitors from there for contributing to UKFilm.org. I ask you to respect our community by making sure the discussion is on topic.

Thanks,

Ed.

Vesa (not verified) wrote: Thu, 11/05/2006 - 22:48

Of course, throughout history people have been terrorized to instill fear in them and to increase the power of certain groups.

Some time ago Daniel Finkelstein deplored in Times Online how centuries-old civil rights legislation is being quickly eroded under the pretext of the "war on terror". He ended his article by asking "Am I a nutter?"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2040625,00.html

Here's my response to him:

Hello Daniel,

I'm a Finn who just read your article on Times Online. No, I don't think you are a nutter.

To go right to the point, what I find nutty is that the media and politicians don't seem to be wondering about issues like these:

1) "The July 29 edition of FOX News Channel's Day Side programme revealed that the so called mastermind of the 7/7 London Bombings, Haroon Rashid Aswat, is a British Intelligence Asset."

link

Very soon after this revelation, the investigations took a different direction. It was established that the four young Muslims acted alone.

2) "On a BBC Radio 5 interview, Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, revealed that his firm had 1,000 people working on an "excercise" involving a bombing in the London underground at the same time that the actual terrorist attacks erupted. The exercise also involved simultaneous bomb blasts at the same locations that were actually struck."

For a transcript of Power's interview and a link to the audio
recording, please visit
link

Several statisticians have concluded that the probability for the exercises and the real events coinciding that way (independently of each other) temporally, spatially, and methodologically, is infinitesimally small.

And why on earth did the alleged bus bomber eat a hamburger at MacDonald's just before going to meet his Maker, as reported by The Independent? As someone asked, was he afraid that such Western delicacies would not be served in the Muslim heaven?

I also find it nutty that nobody is wondering why elsewhere, too, anti-terrorism exercises and real terrorist strikes seem to coincide, as in the USA on September 11th 2001 (Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, but no other politician, grilled the Defense Minister about these
exercises*) and in Moscow in 1999 (where one of the bombs that triggered and justified the Second Chechen War didn't explode and was finally, after a one-day terrorist hunt, declared to be just part of an antiterrorist exercise **).

* "Mr. Chairman, I have a question"
link

** "The Fifth Bomb"
http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/fifthbomb.htm

In this situation everyone who is worried about democracy (and everyone should be!) might do well to 1) read historian Daniele Ganser's new book "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe" -- see

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/collections/coll_gladio.htm

link

and 2) watch the following documentary by the 22-year-old Dylan Avery about the September 11 attacks:

"Loose Change 2nd Edition"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change
(the documentary can be viewed in full at the above site)

For the future of democracy and of humanity, I ask you to continue looking at all the evidence objectively and open-mindedly, and to go wherever that leads you. This is not about being a conspiracy theorist, but of choosing which conspiracy theory (the official or unofficial) to believe. The Orwellian future that may be in preparation is predicated on people not willing to question official truths.
[...]

[edited to remove the long links... I've really got to fix this layout. -ed]

Ian Neal (not verified) wrote: Fri, 12/05/2006 - 00:24

This is a hugely significant step by Michael Meacher and his courage to speak out on 9/11 and 7/7 is to be applauded. A politician of integrity. What a shock.

I would like to see this discussion continue but respect the message from the editor that discussion of the significance of 9/11 and Michael Meacher's action is not on topic. I would like to invite posters to discuss this screening on this site www.nineeleven.co.uk and join us in raising awareness of 9/11 truth in this country

Ian R. Crane (not verified) wrote: Fri, 12/05/2006 - 00:28

Within the past month, a copy of Loose Change II and a five page 9/11 fact sheet has been mailed to every MP & every Member of the Lords.

Courtesy of the Totnes Truth & Peace Group

It will be interesting to see how long it takes our illustrious elected representatives to acknowledge the truth about what really transpired on 9/11.

Ian R. Crane
Chair - UK 911 Truth Campaign (GB & Ireland)
www.911truthtotnes.com

dylan avery (not verified) wrote: Fri, 12/05/2006 - 00:32

ey, all these snide comments aside, you guys might want to take down that Freedom 1995 thing.
simply not true, I was 12 at the time, and was in a Visual Arts class. that's about it.
otherwise outstanding article, thanks for posting it guys.

Andrew Johnson (not verified) wrote: Fri, 12/05/2006 - 15:18

A far more neutral title would have been "9/11 Evidence Analysis Film".

These posts may be off topic, but with respect, this is the most important issue of our time - and as such overrides all other pleasantries and nicities. Please - all who are reading this - avail yourselves of the evidence. Thanks.

Rich (not verified) wrote: Fri, 12/05/2006 - 16:52

So is this a true event and it is DEFINATLEY gonna happen?

Randall (not verified) wrote: Fri, 12/05/2006 - 20:08

If the pentagon was truly hit by a commercial airliner, the government could prove their case by simply releasing the videos confiscated from the Citgo gas station and the Sheraton Hotel, but they won’t. See this link http://www.flight77.info documenting the FOIA legal process to obtain government-held video recordings related to Flight 77 on 9/11:

This link http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html shows the collapse of WTC-7. When Prof. Steven Jones was on MSNBC news to talk about his thesis of explosives fitting the cause of the WTC building collapses, he asked the interviewer a number of times to show this video. All they would show is a still picture of WTC-7 before the collapse. Most people I have talked to don’t even know about building 7, thanks to the main stream media withholding this information.

Along with the truths being exposed about 9-11 to help bring down the neo-con/pnac administration in America, the new movie “America: From Freedom to Fascism” www.freedomtofascism.com by Aaron Rusoo, should be of great help in awakening America and the world to the rapidly growing fascist government of America.

Carl Weis (not verified) wrote: Sat, 13/05/2006 - 11:36

There may be hundreds of websites now dedicated to 9/11 truth. One may have more reliability than the average: www.scholarsfor911truth.org. This group of scientists and scholars in many disciplines are very serious and if you read no other article, Steven Jones' piece on the collapse of the WTC towers -- all THREE of them -- is a "must read." "Loose Change" 2nd edition has some compelling arguments, maybe a few too many propositions to follow to a conclusion. But it is worth three viewings.

As 9/11 is so clearly a fraud and as so much that matters of policy has been built upon that flawed foundation, 9/11 truth is the overriding issue of our day.

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Sat, 13/05/2006 - 13:32

This is good news, but at the same time shows that the self proclaimed critical media is a slave to the official point of view. You can be 99% right on all the issues surrounding 9-11, but you will be slated a conspiracy nut UNTIL some official starts talking about it.This shows how the media's behaviour truly undermines DEMOCRACY, JUSTICE and FREE SPEECH. The media just proves how unconcerned they are about important issues, but they will propably "proclaim" (here is that word again) that they remain UNBIASED to all points of view. Well there NOT !!! They're complete fools and enough articles have proven so. They can not be erased as done to forum discussions on the 9-11 issue.
So this is not only a wake-up call to the general public, but to the media as well.

dr rdw (not verified) wrote: Sun, 14/05/2006 - 14:46

simply look at the evidence

watch the film

go to www.scholarsfor911truth.org

read, learn, get pissed off

if you want to stop fascism in UK and US you'd better get crackin. you ain't got much time. if any.

dr. rdw clin psy

Seabhcan (not verified) wrote: Tue, 16/05/2006 - 15:01

I got an e-mail from Meacher's office saying he'd changed his mind.

Dis Disinfo (not verified) wrote: Wed, 17/05/2006 - 19:00

It's so funny to see the counter intelligence running around trying desperately to put out fires.

Its like an elephant swatting at millions of swarming gnats...

Hey Guys? Your on the loosing side, you abilities have been overestimated.

We are winning.

Chip (not verified) wrote: Fri, 19/05/2006 - 01:40

I'm sick of all of the wingnuts perfroming oral on the preznit and choking on the vitriol that shoots out of his "body". I don't believe for one second that they are really as dumb as they sound. Most of them give me the impression that they are setting a trap. On a movie "set" (for example) when you walk into a production "prop", you sense what the producers of the "prop" are tryng to artistically capture. Likewise, I sense the fake rocks and prop like set up in the entirety of 9/11. In fact, it is so obviously fake that when I hear wingnuts proclaim that 19 arabs performed it: I suspect and sense the same feeling as one of those cruel jokes that your college buddies used to set up on you. Or, I feel like Ashton is going to come out from behind a bush and say "You've been punk'd". I don't know, I just can't believe that the wingnuts are really that stupid. Can you? Isn't it hard to believe? Because if they really are that stupid, we should find a way to sterilize them...and fast!

OzNadine (not verified) wrote: Sun, 21/05/2006 - 18:05

I hope this really does happen i will be keeping my eye on the news and buzz on the net! We need something like this in Australia to stop Howard sucking up to Bush. I wonder how much Dis-Info people get paid? And do they pay tax on it ?

Rufus Middleton (Reflecter of Scholars for Truth) (not verified) wrote: Sun, 21/05/2006 - 19:10

My apology to the editor who wished no more comments on this issue but I agree that it is far too important and presides over net formalities.

Michael Meacher is to be commended, he has been very vocal about this issue before and that takes guts.

He would however, be better showing either "Everybodys Gotta Learn Sometime", "The Truth and Lies of 911", or "911 Revisited : Were Explosions Used? examining the controlled demolition angle along with Steven E Jones lecture, or "Take Back 911". All available from the following

http://www.planetpox.com/media/everybody.mp4 (375mb download) or via google video :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8372366181300641663&q=everybodies+gotta+learn+sometime

An opening night speech here plus permission to freely distribute here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4538326218586362882&q=everybodies+
gotta+learn+sometime speech and ovation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&q=truth+lies+9
%2F11

http://www.911revisited.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=Steven+E+Jones

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6023596331085044923&q=Steven+E+Jones

http://www.archive.org/details/BrianMichelsTAKEBACK911 (download 270mb)

http://ia301118.us.archive.org/0/items/BrianMichelsTAKEBACK911/take_back_911.a.b.mp4 (Streamed Here)

Most are posted here too http://www.myspace.com/reflecter or on the Scholars for Truth site http://www.st911.org

These are all very hard to argue with films, whilst Loose Change is a good intro, it has now been attacked across the internet widely for aspects of innacuracy, these films are much more solid, some rock solid. Please take the time to write Mr Meacher and express support and better suggestions for his attention.

Regards

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Sun, 28/05/2006 - 21:52

Huge praise to Michael Meacher,

This film has to be seen... Shocking.

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Tue, 06/06/2006 - 19:09

When the stakes are this high, and so many innocent people have lost their lives in these atrocities, it takes brave individuals to expose the truth and then nail the people responsible. It's got to be life in prison for them, whoever they are and a wholesale change to the way news is reported in the so-called free world. The present system is totally corrupt

les raphael (not verified) wrote: Mon, 19/06/2006 - 14:38

I wish Michael Meacher would follow his idea to its logical conclusion : LIHOP makes no sense. If they knew so much about it in advance, (a) they could have reduced the death toll, and (b) maybe they didn't want to, because
it was them who organised it in the first place - and that's how they knew so much. When and how did they find out ? That's what the LIHOPers have to establish - or
guess.

Rufus Middleton (not verified) wrote: Thu, 05/07/2007 - 01:27

Of course sadly this film screening of any kind never occurred.

Michael ran for PM and then sat back, pointless as it was, being a rigged affair.

Respect to Mr Meacher regardless but you have been less vocal of late. So I hope to hear of you before you are silenced.

I kind of regret the prior post but to be honest many of those films can bear scrutiny today. Ultimately who cares which film says what about 9/11? Including the official ones. It's enough to say that if it wasnt an inside job for bog standard reasons of all war pretexts then it is the odd man out in history. Argue the toss if you wish, agendas legit or ortherwise roll ever onwards whilst we bicker in conquered division.

To think I may have actually felt that a film screening in Parliament would turn a few heads and make a difference however is laughable.

Fair enough though as few busy politicians may have encountered anything from the real world amidst their schedule.

So despite activists sending every MP materials and hard questions, the outcome was predictable.

Luckily I now know that none of you upon those seats, bar a very few, have a right beyond my own to be there. In fact I am sat prettier as I havent committed treason.

I hope most of you have, as the people of Britain are going to have a field day when they realise the extent of the deception.

regards

Anonymous (not verified) wrote: Sat, 14/07/2007 - 04:30

Funny how the media will never screen a 9/11 truth movie. They can't pretend it's because they think the arguments are unsound - after all they're happy to show any number of alien invasion documentaries.
If the truth does ever break through we must never forget the lessons learned. It will take a lot more than regime change to fix this.

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