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[edit] Homosexuality in Batman
What the blue blazes is this section?! Talk about undue emphasis in an article. This section is made up of taking small offhand comments from a few people and blowing them all out of proportion. It should be deleted as it's got nothing to do with Batman and seems like some sort of homosexual obsession. JettaMann (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- You could probably argue undue weight but surprisingly I do think this has come up a lot and there are people who see a gay subtext in all kinds of places (see also Kirk and Spock in Star Trek). If you want to push people to provide more citations to prove notability then do ask but I expect people will be able to find all kinds of sources. Undue weight might be reason to keep the section short but I do think there is reason enough for it to exist. Also it is kind of funny. -- Horkana (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
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- I can understand giving it a mention but I don't think it works very well in the article. Perhaps it could be reduced to a smaller section or given it's own article that could be linked to. ZODtheReaper (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
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- People have accused Batman of having all sorts of different undertones, not simply homosexual ones. There's no reason for this section, and it conflicts with the rest of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.9.146 (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
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- I have no problem with the special section about this, since it has been a subject of conversation for decades now. With that said, I would like to see more of an emphasis in regard to the sillines of the allegation. None of the writers and artists that worked on Batman stories during the Forties and Fifties have given it any credence. AFAIAC, that should end the debate. jtmatbat (talk) 01:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Bruce Wayne - His Own Article?
Now that Bruce Wayne is no longer the Batman, and ergo not just a sercret identity, combined with the fact that Clark Kent is a different article to Superman, I think that Bruce Wayne deserves his own article. I thought about restoring [1], but I decided to get some conseus first. What does everyone think of the idea? At the very least I believe he deserves his own article, if not the old revision I linked to. Harry Blue5 (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, although it seems like a lot of work. Perhaps we could just base it on the Clark Kent article? I think if you want to make it you should do it soon because when he inevitably becomes batman again people will be more likely to fight you on it.ZODtheReaper (talk) 02:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
- While I would like to, I thought that if I just did it by myself, it could instantly be reverted, for good reason too. That's why I decided to get some support first or to see if someone could prove me wrong. After all, I'm not ALWAYS right. Just most of the time ;D Harry Blue5 (talk) 14:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
- Due to lack of objections, I am restoring the page. If anyone objects, they can just revert the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 11:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- Looking at what you put up, it needs a hell of a lost of sourcing. And the mulk of that is going to need to be showing that the two aspects should be treated as separate characters, more or less the reason for the Superman and Clark Kent articles. Lacking that, it gets folded back into here. - J Greb (talk) 22:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm working on it now. ArtistScientist (talk) 02:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- The biggest concerns are going to be not duplicating this article and not providing a plot dump page. - J Greb (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
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- Bruce Wayne now has his own article and it's terrible. It's a story summary and saying who played him in movies. Should be re-merged.129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Wayne returning in Return of Bruce Wayne
The Intro says "Wayne will return as Batman in Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne". This is unconfirmed. Although I'm sure he will return as Batman, we don't know that that will actually happen in this series. All we know is that Bruce Wayne will return to current time. Gonna re-word it unless somebody finds a source saying that he will become Batman again this soon. ZODtheReaper (talk) 02:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Damian Wayne
This article basically glosses over the notion of The Batman having a son. How/when did this happen? Essentially a non-canon story, where the Batman married Talia and she became pregnant, somehow wound up as canon. In the storyline Talia concluded that she would never be able to keep Batman, she faked a miscarriage, and the marriage was dissolved. Now however at least a part of this storyline is canon. This kind of back-and-forth disruption of the timeline, which seems based on whoever the writer/artist team is at the time, renders a coherent background of any character in any part of the DC Universe impossible and irrelevant.--143.250.2.10 (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article
A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Edit request from Frankm.russo, 3 July 2010
{{editsemiprotected}} Okay, look I just want to change one thing okay. But if it doesn't go the way you like it. Then, I won't do it again.
Frankm.russo (talk) 23:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC) That's it.
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 00:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
[edit] WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH U THINKING BATMAN IS GAY
He is NOT gay, what the heck, he a been involved with so many chicks and bob kane never created him as gay. he is also the most sacrificial superhero and saved millions of heroes including supes himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.41.15 (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
- We're not exactly saying he is. We're taking both sides of the story. It has been sort of common to speculate Batman of homosexuality probably with his relationship with Robin in the past. So that's probably why the section is there. I do believe the article mentioned what you said about Bob Kane mentioning that so calm down. This discussion might be better in the Homosexuality in the Batman franchise article though. Jhenderson777 (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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- He sure did love to slide down the bat-pole.129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Non-free content
I notice that there are a large number of non-free images in this article, and, basically, I'm asking if the regular editors could review their use if possible- ensure that every image is required. Ideally, we should use as little non-free content as possible. I'm yet to look through it with a fine-toothed comb myself, but I am concerned there may be some unwarranted images. J Milburn (talk) 20:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- Looking over what is in place:
- Batman Lee.png - Works well for the infobox
- Detective Comics 27.jpg - Also worke well where it is and for what it is.
- Batman227.jpg - Doesn't work. If it's supposed to peovide an example of the late 60s/early70s revampted look of the character, it falls well short and essentially duplicates the reason for the infobox image.
- Dark knight returns.jpg - Does work to a degree since it is some what illustrating a major point in the section it's in.
- Detective-33-Bat.png - Works about as well. Though it is something the text can clearly convey.
- DetectiveComics327NewLook.jpg - Adds nothing beyond "We have a comic book cover here."
- Bane-breaks-Batman-497pg21.png - While it is pointed as a pivotal/important plot moment, like the Detective Comics 33 panel, this is something that can be conveyed in the text.
- Black Lantern Batman.jpg - Really doesn't seem to be needed here - "And the zombie-Batman looked like..."
- DC Batman.jpg - Duplicates the function of the infobox. And in a less engaging way.
- Dick Grayson as Batman.jpg - Also duplicates the infobox. And if we have to spell out that it's Grayson, which we have to, it is less useful than text making the point.
- USD205998.png - Is free to use IIUC.
- BatmanRobin.jpg - Is illustrative of the section it's in.
- Batmanfoes.jpg - Likewise.
- Batman keaton 89.jpg - Is appropriate within the context of the section.
- Batmananimated32.png - Likewise.
- Batbed.png - As much as the section is loathed, this is a dead on example of its content an the topic it covers.
- So... of 16 images, 1 is free, 8 seem to be solid for fair use, 2 are border line, and 5 are just decoration.
- - J Greb (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with many of your thoughts here. I have removed the five decorative uses, as well as the "borderline" uses- as you say, they are very much replaceable with text. This is a good start. J Milburn (talk) 12:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Bill Finger's inspiration
Will Murray tracked down the Shadow novel Bill Finger used as inspiration for the first Batman story, "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" in Detective Comics #27. It's "Partners of Peril" from 1936. I wonder if this should be added to the article? Thanks! Darci (talk) 18:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Darknight Detective
I see that my edit that stated that Batman was also known as the Darknight Detective has been changed, even though he was known as that throughout the Seventies and Eighties. I am requesting it be changed back, since a Google search will show that I am right. jtmatbat (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- I decided to add it again in reedited form, since I have to admit that my previous effort was a little clunky. However, if the moderators decide to remove it once again, I won't post anything more on the subject.jtmatbat (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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- Actually, leafing through a few comics from my youth, Batman was referred to as the Darknight Detective, not the Dark Knight Detective. Therefore, I have made the proper correction. jtmatbat (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- VasOling, that's the second time that you have removed my addition regarding the fact that Batman is known as the Darknight Detective. It would be nice if you would make your case here as to why it shouldn't be included. If I need to add a reference, I will do so. jtmatbat (talk) 10:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Characterization: Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne
I think we should at least mention Damian Wayne in this section because he has been referenced to becoming Batman after Bruce dies (he appeared as Batman in Batman #666 and #700, Superman/Batman #75, a vague reference in Teen Titans Vol. 3 #18, and DC One Million). JulezNossy (talk) 17:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
