Square Enix has apparently revealed that the 360 version of its latest RPG epic, Final Fantasy XIII, will feature compressed audio and video, presumably to help squeeze its considerable heft onto the DVD format.
Despite this, the game will still ship on multiple discs on 360. The PS3 version, however, will come completely uncompressed on a single dual-layer Blu-ray disc, according to a report.
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A dual-layer DVD holds just under 9GBs of data. A dual-layer Blu-ray disc can swallow up to 50GBs worth of 1s and 0s.
The actual differences to your eyes and ears will hopefully be near unnoticeable, but we know what some of you are like with your magnifying glasses. If you're one to nit-pick you may lean towards getting the PS3 one.
I don't think it is nit-picking when choosing the PS3 version, CVG.
The fact that you won't have to swap discs during gameplay is a fair positive.
Also, the cutscenes are apparently in 1080p on the PS3, whereas I'd be surprised if the 360 ones were any better than 720p. Minor? Sure, but it is still another positive for PS3.
Same with the superior audio, that will obviously be more apparent if using a decent surround sound set-up.
It's a no-brainer, though I am sure somebody will prove me wrong.
so 5 dvd's, however with compression they can probably lose a whole DVD, if they did it like the gods they are. So my guess is 4. Takes you back to the old school days (not flaming, just simply stating a nostalgic feeling amongst the FF games)
so 5 dvd's, however with compression they can probably lose a whole DVD, if they did it like the gods they are. So my guess is 4. Takes you back to the old school days (not flaming, just simply stating a nostalgic feeling amongst the FF games)
Ahhh! Just like the fourth "Wing Commander" game on the PC. That was a beast back then!
so 5 dvd's, however with compression they can probably lose a whole DVD, if they did it like the gods they are. So my guess is 4. Takes you back to the old school days (not flaming, just simply stating a nostalgic feeling amongst the FF games)
The game is only 25gb, so my guess is 3 discs. Not a disaster, by any stretch. Still, if you owned both machines, you'd have to be pretty dumb to buy the 360 version.
Nice to see a game originally developed on PS3 showing signs of strain on Xbox 360. If only more talented developers exploited the capabilities of the PS3 hardware, such as disc space, then the world would be a much nicer little place.
I'm sure anyone who has the choice will go with the PS3 version. Why wouldn't they?
I'll have a PS3 when this drops, which I want for its exclusives and not multi-plats (unless they are proven to perform better). The advantages for this particular game don't strike me as that important personally, so I'll still get the 360 version.
I've only got a 360 at the moment (will get a PS3... at some point), so I'll be getting FFXIII for that. Looking forward to this game anyway. There hasn't been a JRPG which has attracted me since FFXII.
I got both machines, but will get the PS3 version of this and especially Versus exclusive...However, the 360 wont be chucking out 720p as it usually upsales and does 1080p, most PS3 games I got are native res of 720p. I dont mind but the power of PS3, why the hell isnt this sorted? I have to uncheck boxes to upscale to 1080p on PS3 in settings and then I pop in demon's Souls and it downscales to 480p! So I leave all display boxes checked so I get ps3 games in 720p as that is what it does whereas the 360 upscales or whatever to 1080p without mucking about with settings...also, GT5 Prologue is full 1080p without changing settings, so I hope the PS3 version does the same as it can be done!
I'm sure anyone who has the choice will go with the PS3 version. Why wouldn't they?
I'll have a PS3 when this drops, which I want for its exclusives and not multi-plats (unless they are proven to perform better). The advantages for this particular game don't strike me as that important personally, so I'll still get the 360 version.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of something that you have invested in? Why not choose the better option?
I got both machines, but will get the PS3 version of this and especially Versus exclusive...However, the 360 wont be chucking out 720p as it usually upsales and does 1080p, most PS3 games I got are native res of 720p. I dont mind but the power of PS3, why the hell isnt this sorted? I have to uncheck boxes to upscale to 1080p on PS3 in settings and then I pop in demon's Souls and it downscales to 480p! So I leave all display boxes checked so I get ps3 games in 720p as that is what it does whereas the 360 upscales or whatever to 1080p without mucking about with settings...also, GT5 Prologue is full 1080p without changing settings, so I hope the PS3 version does the same as it can be done!
just cause your brain sees '1080p' doesnt make it better quality. if its 720p, its 720p. upscaling is crap.
My general rule of thumb, is what ever is going cheapest. (I often find when shopping around you can get slight variations in price for multiple format games). For example at the moment in my local Sainsbury's Pro Evolution 2010 is going for Ł35 on PS3 and Ł25 on Xbox.
We should be encouraging a price war between PS3 and Xbox rather emphasisng attentions on minor detail, which tbh I would never notice and honestly wouldn't care.
I mean really swapping a disc over once every X amount of hours is no big deal unless you have a particular obesity issue and struggle to get up from the Sofa. It wouldn't even cross my mind that this was somehow a positive factor to have less discs. I was the same when PCs offered the option of CD-Roms and DVD for certain games. This was never a buying decision for me.
I'm sure anyone who has the choice will go with the PS3 version. Why wouldn't they?
I'll have a PS3 when this drops, which I want for its exclusives and not multi-plats (unless they are proven to perform better). The advantages for this particular game don't strike me as that important personally, so I'll still get the 360 version.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of something that you have invested in? Why not choose the better option?
Answers on a stamp, please...
Technically, my tv is 32 inch and does 1080i. My "surround sound" system is 2:1, although it's one of the fancy LG ones that had "technical input" from some conducter (if that makes a difference!). Pretty certain given my tv specs, I won't really notice a difference in the cut-scenes.
Not so technical, my gamerscore and 360 joypad preference. What I would consider important and something that would make me get the PS3 version, is if having it on PS3 would engage a link between XIII and Versus. But there is no info on that, so 360 it is.
I'm getting the PS3 edition. Why? Because I only have a PS3. No brainer really.
At least the 360 get the "Nostalgia" edition where you get to change discs. I always used to aim to get a disc done in a certain time (or used to race with my friends). Bit harder to do that when it's just one disc. Now I've got to remember every bit of the story so I can compare with them. Maybe I'll choose random points to turn the game off, take the disc out, put the disc away, take it back out and put it back in again. Won't be the same though.
think im gonna go with the ps3 version, the differences didnt really seam like too much of a deal to me, but seing as i have both i see no reason to not get the the (even if ever so slightly) superior version. besides, im probably getting versus as well.
I'm sure anyone who has the choice will go with the PS3 version. Why wouldn't they?
I'll have a PS3 when this drops, which I want for its exclusives and not multi-plats (unless they are proven to perform better). The advantages for this particular game don't strike me as that important personally, so I'll still get the 360 version.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of something that you have invested in? Why not choose the better option?
Answers on a stamp, please...
Technically, my tv is 32 inch and does 1080i. My "surround sound" system is 2:1, although it's one of the fancy LG ones that had "technical input" from some conducter (if that makes a difference!). Pretty certain given my tv specs, I won't really notice a difference in the cut-scenes.
Not so technical, my gamerscore and 360 joypad preference. What I would consider important and something that would make me get the PS3 version, is if having it on PS3 would engage a link between XIII and Versus. But there is no info on that, so 360 it is.
stop pretending youre gonna buy a ps3 then, thanks.
It really depends what version you want...If the PS3 version turns out to be the polished turd Bayonetta did on that platform then I might have to plump for the Xbox version.
oh but i thought blu ray wasent needed according too so many people?
Depends on your definition of "need" I suppose. Do we "need" BR in order to play this game? No. Would it involve less disc switching. Probably. Flamebait sorted and burried.
I bet there's hardly any difference when they get released
Never-the-less, if the game's any good(i'm not confident)i'll get the ps3 version. I've been disappointed in the FF series of games for quite a while now.
Owning both consoles, I have to say I'll be getting it on the 360 (no matter how many disks it's on). All multi-format releases are purchased on my Xbox, simply because its my favoured console and it also enables me to keep in touch with all my other mates via Live.
PS3 exclusives like, Uncharted 2 and Little big planet obviously meant I had to turn the Playstation on, but those times are few and far between.
My general rule of thumb, is what ever is going cheapest. (I often find when shopping around you can get slight variations in price for multiple format games). For example at the moment in my local Sainsbury's Pro Evolution 2010 is going for Ł35 on PS3 and Ł25 on Xbox.
We should be encouraging a price war between PS3 and Xbox rather emphasisng attentions on minor detail, which tbh I would never notice and honestly wouldn't care.
I mean really swapping a disc over once every X amount of hours is no big deal unless you have a particular obesity issue and struggle to get up from the Sofa. It wouldn't even cross my mind that this was somehow a positive factor to have less discs. I was the same when PCs offered the option of CD-Roms and DVD for certain games. This was never a buying decision for me.
I concur to a large extent yet I also use a gaming PC which the consoles do not even come close to touching resolution wise. Thus my expectations may be affected. Like you I'm not consciously thinking about "Ouh! It's only 720 instead of 1080!" when playing a game or watching a movie that is entertaining and looks good. It's a similar story with FPS; some PC gamers moan at anything below 100 FPS and yet for the most part the unaided human eye will not register a difference once you pass 40 FPS.
I'm sure anyone who has the choice will go with the PS3 version. Why wouldn't they?
I'll have a PS3 when this drops, which I want for its exclusives and not multi-plats (unless they are proven to perform better). The advantages for this particular game don't strike me as that important personally, so I'll still get the 360 version.
Why wouldn't you take advantage of something that you have invested in? Why not choose the better option?
Answers on a stamp, please...
Technically, my tv is 32 inch and does 1080i. My "surround sound" system is 2:1, although it's one of the fancy LG ones that had "technical input" from some conducter (if that makes a difference!). Pretty certain given my tv specs, I won't really notice a difference in the cut-scenes.
Not so technical, my gamerscore and 360 joypad preference. What I would consider important and something that would make me get the PS3 version, is if having it on PS3 would engage a link between XIII and Versus. But there is no info on that, so 360 it is.
stop pretending youre gonna buy a ps3 then, thanks.
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
oh but i thought blu ray wasent needed according too so many people?
Depends on your definition of "need" I suppose. Do we "need" BR in order to play this game? No. Would it involve less disc switching. Probably. Flamebait sorted and burried.
if you want to call it that, just some people saying how its not needed and the countless devs who have praised it allowing them more space and to add more
I've got both consoles and ill be getting this game for the PS3 because I had pre-ordered the game before they announced that it was coming for the Xbox 360 and didn't really see the need to change it.
I'm just glad that a lot of my 360 friends will be able to play the game as well. There will be nothing to stop this game from selling well.
oh but i thought blu ray wasent needed according too so many people?
Depends on your definition of "need" I suppose. Do we "need" BR in order to play this game? No. Would it involve less disc switching. Probably. Flamebait sorted and burried.
if you want to call it that, just some people saying how its not needed and the countless devs who have praised it allowing them more space and to add more
space that not even the exclusive games use, but we still pay for all 50 GB.
BR as far as i see it is a fail. sure, the next xbox will probably have it, but as long as the 360 uses 9GB discs, the BR is utterly useless.
oh but i thought blu ray wasent needed according too so many people?
Depends on your definition of "need" I suppose. Do we "need" BR in order to play this game? No. Would it involve less disc switching. Probably. Flamebait sorted and burried.
if you want to call it that, just some people saying how its not needed and the countless devs who have praised it allowing them more space and to add more
Well then it isn't actually a need, so much as a desire. It's like so many other times in the human history of storage space (and many other things besides): once you can get more of it you will use it even if there isn't an actual acute need to do so (ironically this may eventually lead to more storage space becoming a need, thus driving the market). This does allow for new ways of packaging things and can in turn lead to new creative expressions/methods.
I liken it to the waterheater; I would be worse off not being able to take a warm shower in the cold morning but I don't technically need one to function.
P.S. As Cernunnos has pointed out, as long as a platform that doesn't use BR holds enough market share it negates the effective advancement of BR since developers still have to cater to it if they want to make money from that market segment (and given the market share of the Xbox 360 they limit their potential profit by doing so). BR has not been the commercial success that DVD was back in the 1990's. Granted, DVD went up against VHS and the differences were massive. BR is technically more advanced than DVD yet it's also quite a bit more expensive and for many people - including myself - the quality of a DVD movie is still very appealing. Even more so when comparing prices with BR material.
I thought you could install games onto the HDD on the 360 so wouldn't this render the disc swapping problem redundant?
Blu-ray, on the PS3, is no great advantage for large games because of the slow access speed. A lot of games need a partial install on the HDD to cut down on the bad loading times.
but on a 20" monitor, it doesnt even come close to a 720p (not even 1080p) ps3 game on the panasonic 50".
on the tv, the effect is ten times better. the monitor doesnt come close to producing colours as good.
The sharpness of the resolution on my 26 inch LCD monitor puts my Xbox 360 on a 42" LCD TV to shame. Both look fantastic (pending the quality of the programming) though. The large screen TVs have the "in-your-face" effect. The PC monitors have the crispness/sharpness of view enhanced by sitting closer to the screen.
I seriously doubt this is going to make many people change their minds.
Those who wanted it on PS3 will still buy it on PS3, and those who wanted it on 360 will still buy it on 360.
There are however, some people who will be swayed by the game being slightly shinier on one console than another, and they aren't worth bothering with as they are usually the dregs of the gaming community...
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
thats right, stop trying to add weight to your hollow arguements...
stick with your budget console - swapping discs like a mad monkey, listening through your tinny speakers.
My budget console? You currently don't even own any console, you even admitted you bought your dead PS3 on credit. You're probably maxed out, which is why you can't get another one.
Screw the unocmpressed audio and video, a visual comparison is what I'd like to see. Both machines have their strengths and weaknesses. See if the PS3 version has been "Bayonetta'd"
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
thats right, stop trying to add weight to your hollow arguements...
stick with your budget console - swapping discs like a mad monkey, listening through your tinny speakers.
My budget console? You currently don't even own any console, you even admitted you bought your dead PS3 on credit. You're probably maxed out, which is why you can't get another one.
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
thats right, stop trying to add weight to your hollow arguements...
stick with your budget console - swapping discs like a mad monkey, listening through your tinny speakers.
oh shut up. you cant call the 360 a "budget console" in one minute and bash it for an "expensive paid-for online service" the next.
the expensive paid-for online service, is for loads of severs many miles away. the servers arent 360's, and are good quality computers.
the 360 is a budget console. what it connects to online, probably at the other end of the country, has nothing to do with it.
whats that got to do with anything? you say the 360 is cheap, and then you bash it for being costlier in the long run than the ps3. which isnt true. ive had 2 360s, none of which has broken and even gained money on selling one of them, yet i have had 2 ps3s at a total cost of Ł600.
you say one thing one minute and turn round and say something completely contrary the next, and still try to defend it. you are grasping at straws svd, face it.
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
thats right, stop trying to add weight to your hollow arguements...
stick with your budget console - swapping discs like a mad monkey, listening through your tinny speakers.
My budget console? You currently don't even own any console, you even admitted you bought your dead PS3 on credit. You're probably maxed out, which is why you can't get another one.
How would I know that Grasshopper would be in the mix of a heated debate in this kind of thread. You're too predictable, Grasshopper. You need to change it up abit, you're becoming stale.
whats that got to do with anything? you say the 360 is cheap, and then you bash it for being costlier in the long run than the ps3. which isnt true. ive had 2 360s, none of which has broken and even gained money on selling one of them, yet i have had 2 ps3s at a total cost of Ł600.
you say one thing one minute and turn round and say something completely contrary the next, and still try to defend it. you are grasping at straws svd, face it.
your personal misadventures, has nothing to do with bare bones fact.
it doesnt even have anything to do with systems breaking down or your wheeling and dealing.
using the two consoles for their lifespan, the ps3 is cheaper on the wallet, and you get a higher quality peice of equipment.
why would you buy this on either system. The Final Fantasy series is b******s!
Thanks for posting in this thread, your comments I am sure will be duly noted. By nobody.
the 360 is a budget console.
That's retarded. Come on, at least put a decent argument forward. Losing your edge?
Let's all get real here. Who didn't know Blu-Ray has much larger storage capacity than normal DVD? Who didn't know PS3 has a Blu-Ray player, and 360 doesn't? Therefore only a complete oaf wouldn't come to the conclusion that 360 will suffer next to PS3 in terms of storage for a game this size.
Would Square Enix put out a radically different, severly hampered version for 360? Very doubtful. It cuts both way, Bayonetta is better on 360, as are a large number of cross platform titles. PS3 also has the advantage in certain areas.
I have both. I'll buy it on PS3 because A: it'll be nice to have a cross platform title optimised for that console for a change, and B: because I'm lazy and don't want to be swapping discs. Doesn't make the 360 version any less enjoyable as a game though, does it.
Sound quality is alway way better on PS3 - graphics will all depend on what platform it is being developed on...
I plug my 360 through my amplifier 5.1 sound system (I use the component cable), however, I have not found away to do that on PS3 - anyone know if you can?
whats that got to do with anything? you say the 360 is cheap, and then you bash it for being costlier in the long run than the ps3. which isnt true. ive had 2 360s, none of which has broken and even gained money on selling one of them, yet i have had 2 ps3s at a total cost of Ł600.
you say one thing one minute and turn round and say something completely contrary the next, and still try to defend it. you are grasping at straws svd, face it.
your personal misadventures, has nothing to do with bare bones fact.
it doesnt even have anything to do with systems breaking down or your wheeling and dealing.
using the two consoles for their lifespan, the ps3 is cheaper on the wallet, and you get a higher quality peice of equipment.
you have no "bare bones facts," its all opinions with you, why should i reply with anything else? you are about as objective as Fox "news."
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
thats right, stop trying to add weight to your hollow arguements...
stick with your budget console - swapping discs like a mad monkey, listening through your tinny speakers.
My budget console? You currently don't even own any console, you even admitted you bought your dead PS3 on credit. You're probably maxed out, which is why you can't get another one.
wrong, once again.
got a new slim on saturday.
playing wipeout fury in 1080p.
And I should believe you because?
I'd understand you not believing my intent on getting a PS3 if I was a troll like Dorian or yourself. Fact is, I'm getting a PS3 and unless there is connectivity between XIII and Versus, I'll get a copy for my 360. Deal with it.
I'd understand you not believing my intent on getting a PS3 if I was a troll like Dorian or yourself. Fact is, I'm getting a PS3 and unless there is connectivity between XIII and Versus, I'll get a copy for my 360. Deal with it.
cause there are predated posts confirming that, look them up if your that petty.
why buy a ps3 at all, if you arent going to take advantage of it?!
so you can "talk to your friends".
bollocks, add them, or new people to the ps3. it aint hard.
and you STILL fail to say why the 360 is "budget" and how the ps3 is higher quality equipment. the 360 being cheaper does not in any way concievable make it a budget console, because its success isnt on the basis of its price.
I'd understand you not believing my intent on getting a PS3 if I was a troll like Dorian or yourself. Fact is, I'm getting a PS3 and unless there is connectivity between XIII and Versus, I'll get a copy for my 360. Deal with it.
cause there are predated posts confirming that, look them up if your that petty.
why buy a ps3 at all, if you arent going to take advantage of it?!
so you can "talk to your friends".
bollocks, add them, or new people to the ps3. it aint hard.
It isn't petty, I simply haven't seen any news that the two are linked by game saves like Mass Effect 1 & 2. If there has been confirmation, quit being a bitch and provide a link.
I only use real life friends on the 360 and none of them have a PS3. This has nothing to do with me choosing the 360 version however, just that the advantages for this game won't really make a difference to me. Deal with it.
and you STILL fail to say why the 360 is "budget" and how the ps3 is higher quality equipment. the 360 being cheaper does not in any way concievable make it a budget console, because its success isnt on the basis of its price.
when you buy tescos chocolate digestives, you buy them cause they do almost the same thing as mcvities, but are cheaper.
the 360 isnt priced on the basis of its success, thats for sure.
people wanting a cheap HD console will buy a 360. making it the budget console.
The ps3 may be more expensive, but it doesn't perform like a more expensive console.
Look at all the problems people are having syncing their bloody trophies of late because of the lack of bandwidth. The only time i can do it is 7-8am otherwise you get the dreaded error message(been like that for 5 weeks). There's loads of messages on the playstation forums about it, i even posted there to complain myself. I'd gladly pay a fee for superior online performance if it was like the 360.
There's never as many quality games on the psn service to download either, certainly compared to the run of games the 360 had over the summer period. You get what you pay for imo, the 360 has a better weekly run of downloadable games(it has some turkey's as well).
Just when i start to fall in love with my ps3, there's little niggles that start to annoy me about the machine.
It isn't petty, I simply haven't seen any news that the two are linked by game saves like Mass Effect 1 & 2. If there has been confirmation, quit being a bitch and provide a link.
I only use real life friends on the 360 and none of them have a PS3. This has nothing to do with me choosing the 360 version however, just that the advantages for this game won't really make a difference to me. Deal with it.
ok...
so you just like the stink of inferiority? is that it?
there has to be a deciding factor, and since you claim there isnt one (with you owning both consoles and the ps3 version being superior), its fanboyism.
Rather than argue about it now, as no one has seen a finished copy here and is therefore completely in the dark about how either platforms copy will perform, why not wait until it comes out, then you could possibly have basis to an argument, imagine that!
and you STILL fail to say why the 360 is "budget" and how the ps3 is higher quality equipment. the 360 being cheaper does not in any way concievable make it a budget console, because its success isnt on the basis of its price.
when you buy tescos chocolate digestives, you buy them cause they do almost the same thing as mcvities, but are cheaper.
the 360 isnt priced on the basis of its success, thats for sure.
people wanting a cheap HD console will buy a 360. making it the budget console.
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
It isn't petty, I simply haven't seen any news that the two are linked by game saves like Mass Effect 1 & 2. If there has been confirmation, quit being a bitch and provide a link.
I only use real life friends on the 360 and none of them have a PS3. This has nothing to do with me choosing the 360 version however, just that the advantages for this game won't really make a difference to me. Deal with it.
ok...
so you just like the stink of inferiority? is that it?
there has to be a deciding factor, and since you claim there isnt one (with you owning both consoles and the ps3 version being superior), its fanboyism.
deal with that.
there IS a deciding factor, damnit. his friends. and he DOESNT own both consoles (yet). reading comprehension ftw.
so 5 dvd's, however with compression they can probably lose a whole DVD, if they did it like the gods they are. So my guess is 4. Takes you back to the old school days (not flaming, just simply stating a nostalgic feeling amongst the FF games)
A single layer of a Blu ray is 25Gb, dual layer is 50Gb http://www.blu-ray.com/info/
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
things that break down more than others, are lower quality.
that 1980's cd drawer that pops out and scratches your cd's OOZES quality.
and the horrendous racket it makes when you use it, that too is a sure fire mark of class.
the ps3, producers MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time using LESS electricity.
space that not even the exclusive games use, but we still pay for all 50 GB.
BR as far as i see it is a fail. sure, the next xbox will probably have it, but as long as the 360 uses 9GB discs, the BR is utterly useless.
A very short sighted way of looking at the situation if you ask me. So 3 years into the PS3's life cycle and the first game comes out that slighty looks better on the PS3 over the 360 becuase of BR. Ok, its probably only going to be noticable for those who have 50" screens and full 9.1 sound systems but there is a difference even if it is only minor. But what starts here as a minor difference is very well going to start increase. Today its low quality textures and sound encoded at a lower bit rate but a year down the line and its very likely that this hardware difference between the machine is going to increase. First people say that BR is not needed, now people are going to say BR only adds a little bit extra, but do you think that could be down to developers just getting used to be able to use this extra space? DVD has been around in consoles since the PS2 back in 2000 so developers have been used to it for many years and old habits die hard. I think what we have here is the turning point. Up until now BR had no extra benifits, but now a minor benifit has appeared. Next a greater benifit will appear. Thats the way dev's get used to using new tech.
It isn't petty, I simply haven't seen any news that the two are linked by game saves like Mass Effect 1 & 2. If there has been confirmation, quit being a bitch and provide a link.
I only use real life friends on the 360 and none of them have a PS3. This has nothing to do with me choosing the 360 version however, just that the advantages for this game won't really make a difference to me. Deal with it.
ok...
so you just like the stink of inferiority? is that it?
there has to be a deciding factor, and since you claim there isnt one (with you owning both consoles and the ps3 version being superior), its fanboyism.
deal with that.
As Cernunnos has pointed out, you seem to lack reading comprehension as I never stated there were no differences, or that I own a PS3 at this moment in time. Yes there are advantages in the PS3 version, we all know this, however these advantages aren't high on the list for me.
As I've said before, if XIII and Versus are linked via game save, I'll be getting it on PS3. That is a major advantage in my eyes and another one would be me getting hold of the FFXIII white PS3 bundle. Doubtful though.
I'll be getting it on the PS3. Disc swaps, sounds, imagery or any of that advertising jargon mean nothing.
I've played FF games on a Sony Console since 1997. Multiple discs, SD tellys confusing stories are a staple I like to enjoy with a PS pad in hand. PS games on the 360 don't feel right to me. It's like drinking tea by the pool on a holiday in Cyprus. It's still tasty but just doesn't 'feel right'.
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
things that break down more than others, are lower quality.
that 1980's cd drawer that pops out and scratches your cd's OOZES quality.
and the horrendous racket it makes when you use it, that too is a sure fire mark of class.
the ps3, produces MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time, being smaller, packed with more features – WITHOUT a power brick and using LESS electricity.
I've got both consoles myself I'm still rather undecided on which platform to get it for. PS3 probably has the edge with one disc, but then 360 will have the edge with load times due to the slow read speed of the Blu-ray drive and the lack of manditory HDD install for PS3. The compressed audio/video is not really a big deal, since basically every game uses compression these days. So yeah, while people may think it's an easy decision to just get the PS3 version, it's rather even in terms of my thinking. Probably going to wait until the reviews drop and see what's what.
things that break down more than others, are lower quality.
ps3s are breaking left and right, and sony wont even make the numbers public. MS admitted their fault, extended the warranty and almost completely eliminated the problem. youre probably one of the people who think that the 360 has a 40% failure rate, when it was at 14 at the worst.
that 1980's cd drawer that pops out and scratches your cd's OOZES quality.
that slip of velvet or whatever it is that protects your CDs on the ps3 wears down, and starts scratching the discs. there is not a single in scratch in any of my 360 games, mostly because im not a gorrila with downs syndrome who cant place a disc in a tray without rubbing it against the edge of it for a minute first. any scratching from the tray is entirely the fault of the user.
and the horrendous racket it makes when you use it, that too is a sure fire mark of class.
my slim is quieter than my ps3, but the old 40GB was much louder. and my 360 is a old model, with the original launch chipset.
the ps3, producers MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time using LESS electricity.
it doesnt make less noise, but then again, you dont have a 360, so everything you say is based on biased anecdotal BS. it doesnt produce less heat either, the ps3 just has a better way of dispersing it.
1) SVD- please don't refer to anyone as a fanboy or that they chose their console through 'fanboyism' without taking a long, hard look in the mirror. You seem to think that those that own a PS3 are regarded with a higher status equivilent to royalty. What does that make those of us with both consoles? Honestly dude, you sound like a kind of hybrid between an angry chav and a snob... Unfortunate.
2) Never mind about cutscenes and sound quality- I want to know if the game will be any good. Going on the past 5 Final Fantasy games I've played- probably not.
3) If it DOES happen to be good and I decide to buy it I'll be getting it for the Xbox due to the better pad and achievements.
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
the ps3, produces MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time, being smaller, packed with more features – WITHOUT a power brick and using LESS electricity.
still think the 360 is of equal quality?
oh yeah... one is american, and one is japanese.
now, shut up.
People will buy consoles because it can run mad action games like Bayonetta properly at good framerates, they won't buy them because they use less electricity or don't use a power brick
1) SVD- please don't refer to anyone as a fanboy or that they chose their console through 'fanboyism' without taking a long, hard look in the mirror. You seem to think that those that own a PS3 are regarded with a higher status equivilent to royalty. What does that make those of us with both consoles? Honestly dude, you sound like a kind of hybrid between an angry chav and a snob... Unfortunate.
2) Never mind about cutscenes and sound quality- I want to know if the game will be any good. Going on the past 5 Final Fantasy games I've played- probably not.
3) If it DOES happen to be good and I decide to buy it I'll be getting it for the Xbox due to the better pad and achievements.
(50+ hour game x PS3 game pad = crippled hands)
who said i wasnt a ps3 fanboy?
are you stupid or something?
people with both ps3 and 360 are akin to the olden days regal mob who used to dip into societies low life hookers - when they have class acts - just for the buzz.
A very short sighted way of looking at the situation if you ask me. So 3 years into the PS3's life cycle and the first game comes out that slighty looks better on the PS3 over the 360 becuase of BR. Ok, its probably only going to be noticable for those who have 50" screens and full 9.1 sound systems but there is a difference even if it is only minor. But what starts here as a minor difference is very well going to start increase. Today its low quality textures and sound encoded at a lower bit rate but a year down the line and its very likely that this hardware difference between the machine is going to increase. First people say that BR is not needed, now people are going to say BR only adds a little bit extra, but do you think that could be down to developers just getting used to be able to use this extra space? DVD has been around in consoles since the PS2 back in 2000 so developers have been used to it for many years and old habits die hard. I think what we have here is the turning point. Up until now BR had no extra benifits, but now a minor benifit has appeared. Next a greater benifit will appear. Thats the way dev's get used to using new tech.
BR isnt completely new tech, its basically just the storage space that is extra, and still even most exclusives dont go over 9GB. its not a matter of learning the tech. in the future it wil be needed, but seing as the 360 is dominating the HD market, games will still be produced with that 9GB barrier in mind.
its sad to see that developers developing a game exclusively for ps3 dont think "hey guys, 50GB!" the only exclusive actually using the space is MG4.
50GB, "superior cell processing unit," and KZ2 still sucked balls. what gives?
new consoles will be in the making by 2012 i think, and by then, no real progression will have been made with ps3 exclusives.
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
the ps3, produces MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time, being smaller, packed with more features – WITHOUT a power brick and using LESS electricity.
still think the 360 is of equal quality?
oh yeah... one is american, and one is japanese.
now, shut up.
People will buy consoles because it can run mad action games like Bayonetta properly at good framerates, they won't buy them because they use less electricity or don't use a power brick
Took me 2 hours to update my PS3 before I could play LBP. That didn't exactly scream 'quality' at me. Never waited that long to do anything on my 360... that doesn't mean I've purchased a budget console have I!? Oh no's!
Good thing I use my consoles for gaming and not for social acceptance issues.
(It is a bit quieter though... but that's a moot point when I whack the surround sound on anyways )
people with both ps3 and 360 are akin to the olden days regal mob who used to dip into societies low life hookers - when they have class acts - just for the buzz.
SVD doesn't rate anything that doesn't require a loan/credit. Is the PS3 better build quality? Yes, IMO. Is it a better games console than the 360? No.
Oh these troubles times... if only I still lived with my parents. Then maybe, just maybe, I could have it all.
1) SVD- please don't refer to anyone as a fanboy or that they chose their console through 'fanboyism' without taking a long, hard look in the mirror. You seem to think that those that own a PS3 are regarded with a higher status equivilent to royalty. What does that make those of us with both consoles? Honestly dude, you sound like a kind of hybrid between an angry chav and a snob... Unfortunate.
2) Never mind about cutscenes and sound quality- I want to know if the game will be any good. Going on the past 5 Final Fantasy games I've played- probably not.
3) If it DOES happen to be good and I decide to buy it I'll be getting it for the Xbox due to the better pad and achievements.
(50+ hour game x PS3 game pad = crippled hands)
who said i wasnt a ps3 fanboy?
are you stupid or something?
people with both ps3 and 360 are akin to the olden days regal mob who used to dip into societies low life hookers - when they have class acts - just for the buzz.
I think you're an idiot, but I have to give credit to you for this comparison!
1) SVD- please don't refer to anyone as a fanboy or that they chose their console through 'fanboyism' without taking a long, hard look in the mirror. You seem to think that those that own a PS3 are regarded with a higher status equivilent to royalty. What does that make those of us with both consoles? Honestly dude, you sound like a kind of hybrid between an angry chav and a snob... Unfortunate.
2) Never mind about cutscenes and sound quality- I want to know if the game will be any good. Going on the past 5 Final Fantasy games I've played- probably not.
3) If it DOES happen to be good and I decide to buy it I'll be getting it for the Xbox due to the better pad and achievements.
(50+ hour game x PS3 game pad = crippled hands)
who said i wasnt a ps3 fanboy?
are you stupid or something?
people with both ps3 and 360 are akin to the olden days regal mob who used to dip into societies low life hookers - when they have class acts - just for the buzz.
I think you're an idiot, but I have to give credit to you for this comparison!
He's always good for a metaphor, no doubt about that!
I've got a 360 and I can play the new FF! Yay! What? I have to CHANGE DISCS? And the video is going to look a bit different?! And the SOUND ISN'T AS GOOD?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I'm not going to buy it all, it'll be rubbish, unplayable, not like the PS3 version which will be like Nirvana.
Sound quality is alway way better on PS3 - graphics will all depend on what platform it is being developed on...
I plug my 360 through my amplifier 5.1 sound system (I use the component cable), however, I have not found away to do that on PS3 - anyone know if you can?
I have both my 360 and PS3 plugged into my 5.1 system via optical cables, you get a much better sound out of it that way. I always find the PS3 sound far crisper, even when playing music
but on a 20" monitor, it doesnt even come close to a 720p (not even 1080p) ps3 game on the panasonic 50".
on the tv, the effect is ten times better. the monitor doesnt come close to producing colours as good.
The sharpness of the resolution on my 26 inch LCD monitor puts my Xbox 360 on a 42" LCD TV to shame. Both look fantastic (pending the quality of the programming) though. The large screen TVs have the "in-your-face" effect. The PC monitors have the crispness/sharpness of view enhanced by sitting closer to the screen.
Same here KFD. I guess it all depends on whether one has a good monitor or not. I splurged on a Samsung 20"; the colour reproduction, level of detail, sharpness and black levels are all much better than my Pioneer plasma. As a matter of fact the image on my monitor is much better than anything I've seen when running a PS3 or Xbox through my TV. Even when watching movies.
50GB, "superior cell processing unit," and KZ2 still sucked balls. what gives?
Well thats a matter of opinion really isin't it. I, and plenty other people thought KZ2 was quite good fun. Anyway the processor has nothing to do with fun, a had fun games on my Spectrum and that only had a Z80 processor.
new consoles will be in the making by 2012 i think, and by then, no real progression will have been made with ps3 exclusives.
I would really love to know how on earth you came to this consulsion! Already what is in the pipeline that the press have been previewing looks great. Also I think there have been enough exclusives for the machine to buy it twice over!
I don't think it is nit-picking when choosing the PS3 version, CVG.
The fact that you won't have to swap discs during gameplay is a fair positive.
Also, the cutscenes are apparently in 1080p on the PS3, whereas I'd be surprised if the 360 ones were any better than 720p. Minor? Sure, but it is still another positive for PS3.
Same with the superior audio, that will obviously be more apparent if using a decent surround sound set-up.
It's a no-brainer, though I am sure somebody will prove me wrong.
as i think others have pointed out there is more to gaming than resolution - if i had the choice i would get the cheapest game.
also, you do a lot of guessing as to how the 360 will display the cutscenes.
Well thats a matter of opinion really isin't it. I, and plenty other people thought KZ2 was quite good fun. Anyway the processor has nothing to do with fun, a had fun games on my Spectrum and that only had a Z80 processor.
sure, i concede that some people liked KZ2, but my point was more towards that Sony and PS3 fanboys are screaming about "superior tech" and have nothing to show for it. they justify the price with 7 cell processors, and yet they are a means to no apparent end. ps3 exclusives dont look better, they dont play better, they dont even last longer. and ive bought and traded in nearly all of them.
I would really love to know how on earth you came to this consulsion! Already what is in the pipeline that the press have been previewing looks great. Also I think there have been enough exclusives for the machine to buy it twice over!
games are becoming more and more demanding, and everything is starting to occupy more and more digital storage. MS will soon (enough) want to upgrade to BR as well, and by the time they do, their console will have several years of technological progress over the ps3, so Sony will want to do the same. so gut feeling more or less, but we wont know who is right for another 2 years. whatever Nintendo wants to do i stopped caring about a long time ago.
How would I know that Grasshopper would be in the mix of a heated debate in this kind of thread. You're too predictable, Grasshopper. You need to change it up abit, you're becoming stale.
In all fairness, SVD has actually been unusually constructive in a number of threads lately. It's...unexpected.
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna buy that piece of s**t. 360 FTW. There you go, feel better?!
thats right, stop trying to add weight to your hollow arguements...
stick with your budget console - swapping discs like a mad monkey, listening through your tinny speakers.
My budget console? You currently don't even own any console, you even admitted you bought your dead PS3 on credit. You're probably maxed out, which is why you can't get another one.
wrong, once again.
got a new slim on saturday.
playing wipeout fury in 1080p.
And I should believe you because?
I'd understand you not believing my intent on getting a PS3 if I was a troll like Dorian or yourself. Fact is, I'm getting a PS3 and unless there is connectivity between XIII and Versus, I'll get a copy for my 360. Deal with it.
Say it ain't so, Blacky?! Don't join the dark side!
It isn't petty, I simply haven't seen any news that the two are linked by game saves like Mass Effect 1 & 2. If there has been confirmation, quit being a bitch and provide a link.
I only use real life friends on the 360 and none of them have a PS3. This has nothing to do with me choosing the 360 version however, just that the advantages for this game won't really make a difference to me. Deal with it.
ok...
so you just like the stink of inferiority? is that it?
there has to be a deciding factor, and since you claim there isnt one (with you owning both consoles and the ps3 version being superior), its fanboyism.
deal with that.
Going by that logic an awful lot of console owners - including PS3 owners - qualify as fanboys when viewed from the perspective of a PC. Are you sure that is the argument you wish to put forth?
Rather than argue about it now, as no one has seen a finished copy here and is therefore completely in the dark about how either platforms copy will perform, why not wait until it comes out, then you could possibly have basis to an argument, imagine that!
Hush man! Don't confuse the monkeys after their cages have been successfully rattled with idle banana waving. Personally I'm hoping for a poo flinging fight!
Does this constitute news? Everyone knows that DVDs and Blu-Rays are completely different so of course the PS3 version will be superior. It's the same game after all, but is compressed on 360 and uncompressed on PS3, because of Blu-Ray. If you already have a HDTV and surround sound, this probably won't affect you if you own a 360 at all. Get it for whatever console you want, it doesn't matter.
Now, excuse me while I pull these splinters out my arse.
space that not even the exclusive games use, but we still pay for all 50 GB.
BR as far as i see it is a fail. sure, the next xbox will probably have it, but as long as the 360 uses 9GB discs, the BR is utterly useless.
A very short sighted way of looking at the situation if you ask me. So 3 years into the PS3's life cycle and the first game comes out that slighty looks better on the PS3 over the 360 becuase of BR. Ok, its probably only going to be noticable for those who have 50" screens and full 9.1 sound systems but there is a difference even if it is only minor. But what starts here as a minor difference is very well going to start increase. Today its low quality textures and sound encoded at a lower bit rate but a year down the line and its very likely that this hardware difference between the machine is going to increase. First people say that BR is not needed, now people are going to say BR only adds a little bit extra, but do you think that could be down to developers just getting used to be able to use this extra space? DVD has been around in consoles since the PS2 back in 2000 so developers have been used to it for many years and old habits die hard. I think what we have here is the turning point. Up until now BR had no extra benifits, but now a minor benifit has appeared. Next a greater benifit will appear. Thats the way dev's get used to using new tech.
Maybe. A far larger issue, IMO, for BR is the lackluster adoption rate of it in the home movie market (it seems likely that there are far more movies sold than games, and with BR not being the dominant force in either market surely doesn't help). If the US market statistics are anything to by BR has a loooong way to go yet and it raises the question as to whether or not alternative data storage technologies may arise before BR hits its full stride, if it ever does? That too is a possibility, though by no means a foregone conclusion just as BR's potential future dominance isn't a foregone conclusion either. Better tech doesn't always win since there are a other factors that come in to play.
Trust me to have loads on when CVG put up articles like this one .
On the topic of Final Fantasy and disc swapping, who cares?
The people who are moaning about disc swapping are probably new to Gaming either this gen or late in the last one, this is the first generation ive played in that hasnt required disc swapping for big titles. PS3 owners will get to play this Game and 360 owners can also play the same Game, there is far to much animosity on this site what with it being the season of goodwill and all that.
Lets put down our wooden sword and shields and lets all look forward to 2010, what should be a great great Gaming year for everyone (probably better odds in getting Dorian and grasshopper meeting up for a coffee )?
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
things that break down more than others, are lower quality.
that 1980's cd drawer that pops out and scratches your cd's OOZES quality.
and the horrendous racket it makes when you use it, that too is a sure fire mark of class.
the ps3, produces MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time, being smaller, packed with more features – WITHOUT a power brick and using LESS electricity.
still think the 360 is of equal quality?
oh yeah... one is american, and one is japanese.
now, shut up.
Oh dear. American? Japanese? If we're going to descend to that level (considering that both are highly advanced countries), then we might as well do the full monty and add: Which of them soundly beat the other during WWII? And which of them started an aid package worth billions of dollars at WWII levels (take inflation in to account for comparable figures today) which helped rebuild Japanese society and turn it in to the economic powerhouse it is today? Granted, that's the light version of history but it will suffice for the purpose at hand.
Besides, where do the various parts for each of the consoles come from? Japan does manufacture excellent transistors, or so I've read, but what about all the other bits and pieces? I wager the waffers for the GPUs and CPUs are likely produced in labs in places such as Taiwan and Germany, but perhaps some of the wiring was outsourced to factories in Vietnam or China - the great bastions of quality control and human rights that they are....
I plug my 360 through my amplifier 5.1 sound system (I use the component cable), however, I have not found away to do that on PS3 - anyone know if you can?
You can use the cable that came with it, or a PS2/PS1 AV cable. Just plug it into the PS3 AV port and plug the red and white jacks into your receiver, leave any others unplugged. Then set your PS3 to output audio via the AV port. Leave whatever cable you're currently using for video plugged in.
You won't get 5.1 via component though mate, the audio jacks only give you left and right analog stereo. You're better off going with Optical (Toslink) cables if your amp supports them - it's totally digital so much better sound, and it'll give you Dolby 5.1, DTS, etc.
Trust me to have loads on when CVG put up articles like this one .
On the topic of Final Fantasy and disc swapping, who cares?
The people who are moaning about disc swapping are probably new to Gaming either this gen or late in the last one, this is the first generation ive played in that hasnt required disc swapping for big titles. PS3 owners will get to play this Game and 360 owners can also play the same Game, there is far to much animosity on this site what with it being the season of goodwill and all that.
Lets put down our wooden sword and shields and lets all look forward to 2010, what should be a great great Gaming year for everyone (probably better odds in getting Dorian and grasshopper meeting up for a coffee )?
Heh. It seems to me the forum has been less volatile these past few weeks. That and I feel more relaxed too.
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
things that break down more than others, are lower quality.
that 1980's cd drawer that pops out and scratches your cd's OOZES quality.
and the horrendous racket it makes when you use it, that too is a sure fire mark of class.
the ps3, produces MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time, being smaller, packed with more features – WITHOUT a power brick and using LESS electricity.
still think the 360 is of equal quality?
oh yeah... one is american, and one is japanese.
now, shut up.
Oh dear. American? Japanese? If we're going to descend to that level (considering that both are highly advanced countries), then we might as well do the full monty and add: Which of them soundly beat the other during WWII? And which of them started an aid package worth billions of dollars at WWII levels (take inflation in to account for comparable figures today) which helped rebuild Japanese society and turn it in to the economic powerhouse it is today? Granted, that's the light version of history but it will suffice for the purpose at hand.
Besdies, where do the various parts for each of the consoles come from? Japan does manufacture excellent transistors, or so I've read, but what about all the other bits and pieces?
japan makes the best quality electronic goods - known fact. where do all the widescreen tv makers come from?
look at the engineering of japanese performance cars. mitsubishi, subaru, honda, nissan etc.
they are all vastly superior in engineering terms to american equivalents... chevrolet, err etc..
they handle disgracefully in comparison, and have far less performance tweaked out a much larger engine... which is just plain ineffecient.
japan just engineer better, no xenophobe shit, its a fact. and its well known.
british engineering cant keep up with japans, so america has no chance. (xenophobe shit) (true though)
the 360 parts may come from japan but it was built with american ethos - slap it together and fire it out the door. problems arise, sweep it under the carpet. snowballs, costs them billions.
ps3 is a higher quality unit. you just need to pick both of them up to realise this. its put together better and feels like it.
re 'Blu-ray, on the PS3, is no great advantage for large games because of the slow access speed. A lot of games need a partial install on the HDD to cut down on the bad loading times.'
How do you explain Uncharted 2 then? No install, amazing visuals....
I think it's more a case of developers not spending enough time or money (or from simply not having enough experience!) to make the best use of the BluRay/PS3 architecture.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
japan makes the best quality electronic goods - known fact. where do all the widescreen tv makers come from?
look at the engineering of japanese performance cars. mitsubishi, subaru, honda, nissan etc.
they are all vastly superior in engineering terms to american equivalents... chevrolet, err etc..
they handle disgracefully in comparison, and have far less performance tweaked out a much larger engine... which is just plain ineffecient.
japan just engineer better, no xenophobe shit, its a fact. and its well known.
british engineering cant keep up with japans, so america has no chance. (xenophobe shit) (true though)
the 360 parts may come from japan but it was built with american ethos - slap it together and fire it out the door. problems arise, sweep it under the carpet. snowballs, costs them billions.
ps3 is a higher quality unit. you just need to pick both of them up to realise this. its put together better and feels like it.
er, the cell processor from IBM and the nvidia graphics chip in the ps3 are american, right? same as the IBM processor in the 360 and ati graphics chip, right?
you can harp on about quality all you like about japanese cars being reliable but they can be expensive to fix as a result of less parts on the market. also, they are pretty soulless things, i'd much rather have a european made car.
also, the main european honda plant is in swindon - makes all (may have designed also) the civics so britain obviously has good engineers.
and you keep being persistent in failing to provide any proof, or even indication that the ps3 is a higher quality equipment. lack of proof is proof of lack?
and no, people buy the 360 because of its superior exclusives, online service and gamepad, you troll.
i could also say that the ps3 is just a budget BR player, no more.
things that break down more than others, are lower quality.
that 1980's cd drawer that pops out and scratches your cd's OOZES quality.
and the horrendous racket it makes when you use it, that too is a sure fire mark of class.
the ps3, produces MUCH less noise and heat, while at the same time, being smaller, packed with more features – WITHOUT a power brick and using LESS electricity.
still think the 360 is of equal quality?
oh yeah... one is american, and one is japanese.
now, shut up.
Oh dear. American? Japanese? If we're going to descend to that level (considering that both are highly advanced countries), then we might as well do the full monty and add: Which of them soundly beat the other during WWII? And which of them started an aid package worth billions of dollars at WWII levels (take inflation in to account for comparable figures today) which helped rebuild Japanese society and turn it in to the economic powerhouse it is today? Granted, that's the light version of history but it will suffice for the purpose at hand.
Besdies, where do the various parts for each of the consoles come from? Japan does manufacture excellent transistors, or so I've read, but what about all the other bits and pieces?
japan makes the best quality electronic goods - known fact. where do all the widescreen tv makers come from?
look at the engineering of japanese performance cars. mitsubishi, subaru, honda, nissan etc.
they are all vastly superior in engineering terms to american equivalents... chevrolet, err etc..
they handle like crap, and have far less performance tweaked out a much larger engine... which are just ineffecient.
japan just engineer better, no xenophobe shit, its a fact. and its well known.
british engineering cant keep up with japans, so america has no chance. (xenophobe shit) (true though)
the 360 parts may come from japan but it was built with american ethos - slap it together and fire it out the door. problems arise, sweep it under the carpet. snowballs, costs them billions.
ps3 is a higher quality unit. you just need to pick both of them up to realise this. its put together better and feels like it.
Ahhh! But see, the Japanese would appear to be inferior where it comes to generating new ideas. They excel at taking existing ideas and technology and improving upon them (now that we are speaking in gross generalisations). Teutonic (aka. German) engineering is outstanding and often ingenious. All that said, no one company nor group of people are infallible regardless of which giant's shoulders they stand on.
The example of US cars is an interesting one, I find. It has confounded me why they have taken so long to optimize their cars. They have the technological know-how and the engineering skills to do so if they applied themselves. Complacency seems as much a culprit as anything else on that matter. Can't really fault their ability to produce armaments and other high tech military gear though. America sure does know how to build bombs and high tech military equipment; indeed, they are roughly two generations ahead of other nations in some areas - it's gotten to the point that during the invasion of Iraq in 2003 UK planes had trouble carrying US ordinance for bombing runs because the UK planes lacked the tech to properly utilise certain types of US munitions and they are close allies! Business these days is so interwoven on the international scene that if often has more to do with the people - irrespective of nationality - that are on the paylist of a given company and organisation than the actual nationality of the company (which really doesn't owe loyalty to anyone or anything except money).
Incidentally, the last time I checked both LG and Samsung were/are Korean and not Japanese. Also, some of Sony's TV screens are manufactured by Samsung...And then there's the matter of which manufacturing plants the parts are produced from. You will likely find that many manufacturing sites are located in poorer regions of the world, such as Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, etc. The local labour impacts quality, so if the quality is good they should get some of the credit and if it's bad likewise. These things are hardly "black or white", as is the case with much of life.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
i realise its a wednesday and therfore technically a half day but does nobody have any work to? and if your a school kid do some homework or you'll end up commenting in forums about complete crap when you grow up!
japan makes the best quality electronic goods - known fact. where do all the widescreen tv makers come from?
look at the engineering of japanese performance cars. mitsubishi, subaru, honda, nissan etc.
they are all vastly superior in engineering terms to american equivalents... chevrolet, err etc..
they handle disgracefully in comparison, and have far less performance tweaked out a much larger engine... which is just plain ineffecient.
japan just engineer better, no xenophobe shit, its a fact. and its well known.
british engineering cant keep up with japans, so america has no chance. (xenophobe shit) (true though)
the 360 parts may come from japan but it was built with american ethos - slap it together and fire it out the door. problems arise, sweep it under the carpet. snowballs, costs them billions.
ps3 is a higher quality unit. you just need to pick both of them up to realise this. its put together better and feels like it.
er, the cell processor from IBM and the nvidia graphics chip in the ps3 are american, right? same as the IBM processor in the 360 and ati graphics chip, right?
you can harp on about quality all you like about japanese cars being reliable but they can be expensive to fix as a result of less parts on the market. also, they are pretty soulless things, i'd much rather have a european made car.
soulless? err... dont think you have driven one.
they are the leading cars when it comes to handling and 'feel'.
perhaps you equate soul to fancy heated seats etc.
cars are for driving. the japs make then as such.
its the european cars aka german, that are soulless. technically excellent. just a bit clinical.
japanese cars are raw and you can feel every bit of every corner you drive round.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
you must have been unlucky then, only one of the 360s i have handled had been shaky, and that one had been dropped on the floor.
and even if it had loads of moving parts it wouldnt be much of a problem, as consoles tend to be stationary.
i dont believe you though, i find it hard to believe you would ever refer to someone with a 360 as "mate."
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
If you're picking up a console and shaking it to see what happens, then you're an even bigger idiot than I gave you credit for.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
I owned an American car once (who knows? Maybe it was built in one of the American company's Canadian plants). It was an economy car, got decent gas mileage and it handled well. I still have fond memories of that car thinking back upon it now.
they are the leading cars when it comes to handling and 'feel'.
perhaps you equate soul to fancy heated seats etc.
cars are for driving. the japs make then as such.
come off it, the new civic doesnt even have independent rear suspension and is way behind the golf and focus.
also, cars like aston martin, ferrari, alfa have much more soul than japanese cars. japanese cars can be excellent but they are all based on fancy electronics so lack soul. dont get me wrong lack of soul doesnt equal bad but i could never buy one, at least not what they sell now.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
you must have been unlucky then, only one of the 360s i have handled had been shaky, and that one had been dropped on the floor.
and even if it had loads of moving parts it wouldnt be much of a problem, as consoles tend to be stationary.
i dont believe you though, i find it hard to believe you would ever refer to someone with a 360 as "mate."
he was only a mate cause he took that heap off my hands
it was a replacement for his old one, but i left my music on the HDD, so i get to fire it up when im round there. \o/
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
I owned an American car once (who knows? Maybe it was built in Canada). It was an economy car, got decent gas mileage and it handled well. I still ahve fond memories of that car thinking back upon it now.
an american car with a decent gas mileage? do tell!
people tend to get attached to their cars though, no matter how bad they are, same thing with poodles.
they are the leading cars when it comes to handling and 'feel'.
perhaps you equate soul to fancy heated seats etc.
cars are for driving. the japs make then as such.
come off it, the new civic doesnt even have independent rear suspension and is way behind the golf and focus.
also, cars like aston martin, ferrari, alfa have much more soul than japanese cars. japanese cars can be excellent but they are all based on fancy electronics so lack soul. dont get me wrong lack of soul doesnt equal bad but i could never buy one, at least not what they sell now.
not to turn this into a car thread, but what exactly do you mean by soul? i would think "soul" would denote different things to different people, and cant be measured in any way, shape or form.
Top Gear seems to think Alfa Romeos have "soul," i disagree, as one does. but no one can argue against that japanese sports car handle the best and break less frequently.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
I owned an American car once (who knows? Maybe it was built in Canada). It was an economy car, got decent gas mileage and it handled well. I still ahve fond memories of that car thinking back upon it now.
an american car with a decent gas mileage? do tell!
people tend to get attached to their cars though, no matter how bad they are, same thing with poodles.
I tend to find the worse a car is the more people tend to be quite attached to it or have fond memories of it, my mate had a very dodgy heap of trash that seemed to break down quite a lot, the heaters didn’t work, nor most of the windows, and yet he loved that beast.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
you must have been unlucky then, only one of the 360s i have handled had been shaky, and that one had been dropped on the floor.
and even if it had loads of moving parts it wouldnt be much of a problem, as consoles tend to be stationary.
i dont believe you though, i find it hard to believe you would ever refer to someone with a 360 as "mate."
he was only a mate cause he took that heap off my hands
it was a replacement for his old one, but i left my music on the HDD, so i get to fire it up when im round there. \o/
so it still works then? you should see to get that fixed, you know, to help your statistics along.
they are the leading cars when it comes to handling and 'feel'.
perhaps you equate soul to fancy heated seats etc.
cars are for driving. the japs make then as such.
come off it, the new civic doesnt even have independent rear suspension and is way behind the golf and focus.
also, cars like aston martin, ferrari, alfa have much more soul than japanese cars. japanese cars can be excellent but they are all based on fancy electronics so lack soul. dont get me wrong lack of soul doesnt equal bad but i could never buy one, at least not what they sell now.
cars. and performance cars.
civic is a car. (hot hatch if were talking type R)
and the old one had independant suspension... so its not like they dont have the know-how or skills. they just sold out. older model was much better i hear.
my jap car has all gimmicks ripped out, its a stripped out, track day car that is one if the best handling cars you get get. that was its purpose. the steering picks up the embossed white lines on the road, thats how sensitive it is. pot holes feel like craters though, thats an acceptable trade-off.
not all jap cars are totally computerised. even if they are, they are renowned for handling.
i was nailed to an R8's bumper the other day as he shot off trying acting smart. he must have felt ripped off, his Ł80k car not being able to shake me.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
My Xbox 360 feels solid. Then again I'm not in the habit of shaking it vigorously over my head...Shocking, I know.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
My Xbox 360 feels solid. Then again I'm not in the habit of shaking it vigorously over my head...Shocking, I know.
no need to shake it, the process of lifting it itself makes noise.
Again, the similarities in the arguments between a cheaper stripped down car that performs the same as it's more expensive counterparts with all mode cons, and the difference between a 360 and PS3 as games machines are lost on svd!
Again, the similarities in the arguments between a cheaper stripped down car that performs the same as it's more expensive counterparts with all mode cons, and the difference between a 360 and PS3 as games machines are lost on svd!
not entirely...
japanese cars are the most reliable you can get.
the supercar equivelant is nowhere near as reliable. they are renowned for falling apart and endless problems. lambos, ferrari, aston etc.
Again, the similarities in the arguments between a cheaper stripped down car that performs the same as it's more expensive counterparts with all mode cons, and the difference between a 360 and PS3 as games machines are lost on svd!
How did this descend into some ridiculous argument about cars?!? - of course SVD will spout all this nonsense about Japanese cars and the PS3, because he owns one - that's literally all it is. Likewise, it's the same as his argument about EDM and rock music - he'll descend into this whole 'mine is better than yours' nonsense when he's backed himself into a corner.
Again, the similarities in the arguments between a cheaper stripped down car that performs the same as it's more expensive counterparts with all mode cons, and the difference between a 360 and PS3 as games machines are lost on svd!
How did this descend into some ridiculous argument about cars?!? - of course SVD will spout all this nonsense about Japanese cars and the PS3, because he owns one - that's literally all it is. Likewise, it's the same as his argument about EDM and rock music - he'll descend into this whole 'mine is better than yours' nonsense when he's backed himself into a corner.
Has no-one ever noticed this pattern before?
thing is, i own one because of the quality... not the other way around. the quality on both were established before i owned any of them...
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
I owned an American car once (who knows? Maybe it was built in Canada). It was an economy car, got decent gas mileage and it handled well. I still ahve fond memories of that car thinking back upon it now.
an american car with a decent gas mileage? do tell!
people tend to get attached to their cars though, no matter how bad they are, same thing with poodles.
Hahahah! Poodles... I have a disposition for detesting small, yappy dogs in general.
I think it's awesome how quickly these fights start between the hardcore fanboys
Obviously SE design their games with the Playstation in mind since that's their starting platform. They may have gone multiplatform these days but I bet they start on the PS and work backwards rather than starting on 360 and working backwards like a lot of companies do.
And obviously when something is designed for one platform it doesn't work as well when you change it. Since cars have been brought up, lets use that as an example. Hatchbacks tend to handle well and look like they were designed with a particular function in mind. The estate versions of hatches always look like a bit has been tacked on as an afterthought - because it has. The lines don't work as well and the handling tends to suffer.
This specific case obviously depends how bad the compressed textures are. It might be a negligible difference, like a jpg going from 100% quality to 80% quality. The audio won't be noticable unless you're playing the game through Exigy's.
They have different gfx cards, different palettes and rendering methods. The PS3 sometimes looks washed out, the 360 sometimes has trouble with transparency. But fanboys will always claim to think theirs looks better.
space that not even the exclusive games use, but we still pay for all 50 GB.
BR as far as i see it is a fail. sure, the next xbox will probably have it, but as long as the 360 uses 9GB discs, the BR is utterly useless.
A very short sighted way of looking at the situation if you ask me. So 3 years into the PS3's life cycle and the first game comes out that slighty looks better on the PS3 over the 360 becuase of BR. Ok, its probably only going to be noticable for those who have 50" screens and full 9.1 sound systems but there is a difference even if it is only minor. But what starts here as a minor difference is very well going to start increase. Today its low quality textures and sound encoded at a lower bit rate but a year down the line and its very likely that this hardware difference between the machine is going to increase. First people say that BR is not needed, now people are going to say BR only adds a little bit extra, but do you think that could be down to developers just getting used to be able to use this extra space? DVD has been around in consoles since the PS2 back in 2000 so developers have been used to it for many years and old habits die hard. I think what we have here is the turning point. Up until now BR had no extra benifits, but now a minor benifit has appeared. Next a greater benifit will appear. Thats the way dev's get used to using new tech.
The fact is that as we are able to look at everything Kojima has said in the aftermath of the release of MGS4 that had he been given 100gb instead of 50gb he'd have used it.
Sure Valve aren't going to do anything that isn't releasable on 1 DVD but for those devs that are determined to push things to the limit why is it a bad thing if they are able to?
50gb is more than 9 gb. I think that a lot of people on this site need to admit that and move on.
Blu Ray doesn't guarantee better games but it makes it possible.
OK, so you buy based on build quality, rather than which is the best at doing what you bought it to do?
Others don't. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Because I can guarantee there are better made versions of pretty much every single thing you own available.
And yes, EDM can be fantastic. So can rock music. That's the point.
Sound quality is alway way better on PS3 - graphics will all depend on what platform it is being developed on...
I plug my 360 through my amplifier 5.1 sound system (I use the component cable), however, I have not found away to do that on PS3 - anyone know if you can?
I have both my 360 and PS3 plugged into my 5.1 system via optical cables, you get a much better sound out of it that way. I always find the PS3 sound far crisper, even when playing music
Nice one thanks. I've just checked and it has that port. Also I've noticed my PS3 automatically recongises my Wireless Music system, which if I can get the sound sorted out, would save a Ł200 on having to buy one of those additional music receivers for the living room.
OK, so you buy based on build quality, rather than which is the best at doing what you bought it to do?
Others don't. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Because I can guarantee there are better made versions of pretty much every single thing you own available.
And yes, EDM can be fantastic. So can rock music. That's the point.
overall quality. build quality obviously... you dont want to buy a peice of shit. i bought my car for performance. for the cash, it probably cant be out-done solid performance wise. its also very reliable. my car laps the 'ring 17 seconds faster than an audi R8. which is three times the price, that speaks volumes of the engineering... as it isnt even as powerful.
ps3 has many qualities, outside of being a quality product. and EDM has the best sound quality. so much more layer and stuff going on than in rock. thats why its such good brain food. no way rock can match it spiritually. not intricate or blissful enough.
there is no better console than the ps3, otherwise i'd own it, and there is definatley no better music than EDM, otherwise i'd listen to it... so youre wrong, bud.
EDM sucks. its made by pre-pubescent tweens with no musical skills in the hope of getting laid.
try some real music, made by real musicians that have a passion for what they do, that puts a part of themselves in their product, that have struggled for years to get as good as they are. listen to Opeth.
Too ambiguous. I hate the term EDM. So many genres, then genres in those genres, you can't surely group it all together.
he never specified sub-genre etc, so i just have to go by the general term he used. i still stand by what i said. music is made with instruments, edm isnt, therefore not music.
And with that... The thread lost itself to cars, music, and no small amount of flaming between fanboys.
ahh, the joys of the internet.
When do we start talking baked goods?
if you want to discuss spacecake youve gotta to the "wii fastest selling console" thread.
Too ambiguous. I hate the term EDM. So many genres, then genres in those genres, you can't surely group it all together.
he never specified sub-genre etc, so i just have to go by the general term he used. i still stand by what i said. music is made with instruments, edm isnt, therefore not music.
And with that... The thread lost itself to cars, music, and no small amount of flaming between fanboys.
ahh, the joys of the internet.
When do we start talking baked goods?
if you want to discuss spacecake youve gotta to the "wii fastest selling console" thread.
Too ambiguous. I hate the term EDM. So many genres, then genres in those genres, you can't surely group it all together.
he never specified sub-genre etc, so i just have to go by the general term he used. i still stand by what i said. music is made with instruments, edm isnt, therefore not music.
And with that... The thread lost itself to cars, music, and no small amount of flaming between fanboys.
ahh, the joys of the internet.
When do we start talking baked goods?
if you want to discuss spacecake youve gotta to the "wii fastest selling console" thread.
TRANSLATED INTO REALITY WE ARE HYPING PS3 AS ITS JAPANEESE LIKE US AND WE ARE HYPING TO HELP PS3 OUT A BIT AND BECAUSE IT WILL BE ARE BIGGEST FORMAT IN JAPAN
STOP TALKING BULLL BLURAY MAGIC BS DUAL LAYERED DVD WITH CLEVER COMPRESSION WILL EASY HOLD THIS GAME
DROP THE SONY PAYED FOR MARKETING NO DOUT HARDLY CORES FULL FOR THIS BS
Like most people are going to notice the compressed graphics (in cut scenes) and audio, only time people go on about it is when it is pointed out to them.
Both versions will look,sound and play fantastic thats all there is to it.
EDM sucks. its made by pre-pubescent tweens with no musical skills in the hope of getting laid.
try some real music, made by real musicians that have a passion for what they do, that puts a part of themselves in their product, that have struggled for years to get as good as they are. listen to Opeth.
idiot. you never heard of EDM producers like hybrid. they used a 90-peice russian orchestra for their first album and peter hook (from new order) on the bass.
many electronic artists use instruments live and in recording.
SVD doesn't rate anything that doesn't require a loan/credit. Is the PS3 better build quality? Yes, IMO. Is it a better games console than the 360? No.
Oh these troubles times... if only I still lived with my parents. Then maybe, just maybe, I could have it all.
Don't go using logic... you know he won't grasp the concept.
OK, so you buy based on build quality, rather than which is the best at doing what you bought it to do?
Others don't. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Because I can guarantee there are better made versions of pretty much every single thing you own available.
And yes, EDM can be fantastic. So can rock music. That's the point.
overall quality. build quality obviously... you dont want to buy a peice of shit. i bought my car for performance. for the cash, it probably cant be out-done solid performance wise. its also very reliable. my car laps the 'ring 17 seconds faster than an audi R8. which is three times the price, that speaks volumes of the engineering... as it isnt even as powerful.
ps3 has many qualities, outside of being a quality product. and EDM has the best sound quality. so much more layer and stuff going on than in rock. thats why its such good brain food. no way rock can match it spiritually. not intricate or blissful enough.
there is no better console than the ps3, otherwise i'd own it, and there is definatley no better music than EDM, otherwise i'd listen to it... so youre wrong, bud.
No - you bought your car because you are a chav. p**s off into the Max Power forums if you want to talk about your s**tty motor.
You are a budget gamer, hence why you buy and sell consoles when you obviously need the money.
I know plenty of people that would disagree with your PS3 quality statement. Mine has gone wrong twice. My friend has just taken the PS3 slim he got last week to replace a yellow light original back as its now not reading Bluray discs....quality indeed.
The myth that the PS3 is reliable will soon end. Now people are playing them more, rather than watching movies - they will eventually start to break more and more. Of course, the majority of people buy Xbox for games. There are many many owners of PS3 that simply got it as part of a package deal with their TV to watch movies and will be lucky to ever use it for anything other than say Sing Star or the game(s) they got with it. I know plenty of people like this too.
I do agree with one thing though, the PS3 does have many qualities. I love it for Bluray and the exclusives like Uncharted 2 and Killzone. But as an overall gaming 'experience'?? not a chance this is better than Xbox. Xbox isnt cheaper because its any less a game console. Its cheaper because it doesnt have Bluray.
As for the Final Fantasy crap - I am sure this game is loved by many but not me, so I could not care less if its better on one or the other. A tip for you Grasshopper baby. Get a better job or stop wasting money on air filters and exhausts and get all three....best of all worlds then.
No - you bought your car because you are a chav. p**s off into the Max Power forums if you want to talk about your s**tty motor.
You are a budget gamer, hence why you buy and sell consoles when you obviously need the money.
I know plenty of people that would disagree with your PS3 quality statement. Mine has gone wrong twice. My friend has just taken the PS3 slim he got last week to replace a yellow light original back as its now not reading Bluray discs....quality indeed.
The myth that the PS3 is reliable will soon end. Now people are playing them more, rather than watching movies - they will eventually start to break more and more. Of course, the majority of people buy Xbox for games. There are many many owners of PS3 that simply got it as part of a package deal with their TV to watch movies and will be lucky to ever use it for anything other than say Sing Star or the game(s) they got with it. I know plenty of people like this too.
I do agree with one thing though, the PS3 does have many qualities. I love it for Bluray and the exclusives like Uncharted 2 and Killzone. But as an overall gaming 'experience'?? not a chance this is better than Xbox. Xbox isnt cheaper because its any less a game console. Its cheaper because it doesnt have Bluray.
As for the Final Fantasy crap - I am sure this game is loved by many but not me, so I could not care less if its better on one or the other. A tip for you Grasshopper baby. Get a better job or stop wasting money on air filters and exhausts and get all three....best of all worlds then.
get back in your corsa, you A-B lemming.
i sold the 360 within the 30 day money back window. could have got all my money back, not half. was just glad to get rid of the pile of shite. stupid kiddies console. it was both a noise pollution and a waste of space.
yes, american cars suck, but how exactly is that even slightly relevant?
you havent ever picked up a 360, so how would you know? youve never given the 360 a fair chance, you try to slag it for every little fault, and ignore those of the ps3. had you actually had both consoles and a well formed opinion on either, your comments would carry more weight, but you will never take of that Sony Blindfold, and thats a "well known fact."
i have owned two. also a known fact. one broke and the last one i 'picked up', i handed to my mate, who i sold it to for Ł70.
feels loose, you shake it and allsorts of stuff is going on.
ps3 is solid to hold.
My Xbox 360 feels solid. Then again I'm not in the habit of shaking it vigorously over my head...Shocking, I know.
no need to shake it, the process of lifting it itself makes noise.
think its the clunky cd drive.
I do not recall mine making noises when lifted. Then again I tend not to move it around unless it's turned off (and generally without a disc in it). I see little reason to knowingly engage in a potentially risky behaviour if I don't believe the perceived reward is worth it to me.
No - you bought your car because you are a chav. p**s off into the Max Power forums if you want to talk about your s**tty motor.
You are a budget gamer, hence why you buy and sell consoles when you obviously need the money.
I know plenty of people that would disagree with your PS3 quality statement. Mine has gone wrong twice. My friend has just taken the PS3 slim he got last week to replace a yellow light original back as its now not reading Bluray discs....quality indeed.
The myth that the PS3 is reliable will soon end. Now people are playing them more, rather than watching movies - they will eventually start to break more and more. Of course, the majority of people buy Xbox for games. There are many many owners of PS3 that simply got it as part of a package deal with their TV to watch movies and will be lucky to ever use it for anything other than say Sing Star or the game(s) they got with it. I know plenty of people like this too.
I do agree with one thing though, the PS3 does have many qualities. I love it for Bluray and the exclusives like Uncharted 2 and Killzone. But as an overall gaming 'experience'?? not a chance this is better than Xbox. Xbox isnt cheaper because its any less a game console. Its cheaper because it doesnt have Bluray.
As for the Final Fantasy crap - I am sure this game is loved by many but not me, so I could not care less if its better on one or the other. A tip for you Grasshopper baby. Get a better job or stop wasting money on air filters and exhausts and get all three....best of all worlds then.
get back in your corsa, you A-B lemming.
i sold the 360 within the 30 day money back window. could have got all my money back, not half. was just glad to get rid of the pile of shite. stupid kiddies console. it was both a noise pollution and a waste of space.
Would there be anything wrong with a Corsa? It's a car at the end of the day. IF you ever find a woman, you wont care about cars...
I suggest we start a fund for you. The Grasshopper fund..save up all those money off petrol vouchers and send them to you. That way you can then afford to keep a console.
Again, the similarities in the arguments between a cheaper stripped down car that performs the same as it's more expensive counterparts with all mode cons, and the difference between a 360 and PS3 as games machines are lost on svd!
not entirely...
japanese cars are the most reliable you can get.
the supercar equivelant is nowhere near as reliable. they are renowned for falling apart and endless problems. lambos, ferrari, aston etc.
if anything the analogy holds up.
Not really. The analogy would only hold up if the Xbox 360 were the more expensive console. It isn't and thus your analogy ends up unintentionally implying that the cheaper Xbox 360, in spite of being "cheap", manages to perform at a comparable level to the often touted "superiority" of the PS3. It is highly ironic.
Like most people are going to notice the compressed graphics (in cut scenes) and audio, only time people go on about it is when it is pointed out to them.
Both versions will look,sound and play fantastic thats all there is to it.
This.
It doesn't matter which console people buy the game for, you're only going to notice the difference if you buy it for both consoles anyway, or have friends whom you visit that own the game for the opposing console - I'm told that Bayonetta is superior on the 360, this doesn't affect me even remotely because I'll never play the 360 version, and frankly the game looks just fine to me on the PS3. The differences between formats will be negligible and, probably, will go unoticed by pretty much everyone that buys the game.
As for the massive, strenuous effort that is disc swapping... Just how f**king lazy do you have to be for that to bother you?
No - you bought your car because you are a chav. p**s off into the Max Power forums if you want to talk about your s**tty motor.
You are a budget gamer, hence why you buy and sell consoles when you obviously need the money.
I know plenty of people that would disagree with your PS3 quality statement. Mine has gone wrong twice. My friend has just taken the PS3 slim he got last week to replace a yellow light original back as its now not reading Bluray discs....quality indeed.
The myth that the PS3 is reliable will soon end. Now people are playing them more, rather than watching movies - they will eventually start to break more and more. Of course, the majority of people buy Xbox for games. There are many many owners of PS3 that simply got it as part of a package deal with their TV to watch movies and will be lucky to ever use it for anything other than say Sing Star or the game(s) they got with it. I know plenty of people like this too.
I do agree with one thing though, the PS3 does have many qualities. I love it for Bluray and the exclusives like Uncharted 2 and Killzone. But as an overall gaming 'experience'?? not a chance this is better than Xbox. Xbox isnt cheaper because its any less a game console. Its cheaper because it doesnt have Bluray.
As for the Final Fantasy crap - I am sure this game is loved by many but not me, so I could not care less if its better on one or the other. A tip for you Grasshopper baby. Get a better job or stop wasting money on air filters and exhausts and get all three....best of all worlds then.
get back in your corsa, you A-B lemming.
i sold the 360 within the 30 day money back window. could have got all my money back, not half. was just glad to get rid of the pile of shite. stupid kiddies console. it was both a noise pollution and a waste of space.
Would there be anything wrong with a Corsa? It's a car at the end of the day. IF you ever find a woman, you wont care about cars...
I suggest we start a fund for you. The Grasshopper fund..save up all those money off petrol vouchers and send them to you. That way you can then afford to keep a console.
not everyone with a decent motor get told to sell it to fund their girlfriends hair extensions.
a corsa is a car, like a 360 is a console - yes.
i like to go that extra bit further though. its worth it. not everyone equates extra cash to happiness. except for your bird.
spend a little (extra) live a lot.
miser.
the money you see as "saving" on buying a corsa type car, i see as money lost - with a crap car thats no fun to drive to boot.
No - you bought your car because you are a chav. p**s off into the Max Power forums if you want to talk about your s**tty motor.
You are a budget gamer, hence why you buy and sell consoles when you obviously need the money.
I know plenty of people that would disagree with your PS3 quality statement. Mine has gone wrong twice. My friend has just taken the PS3 slim he got last week to replace a yellow light original back as its now not reading Bluray discs....quality indeed.
The myth that the PS3 is reliable will soon end. Now people are playing them more, rather than watching movies - they will eventually start to break more and more. Of course, the majority of people buy Xbox for games. There are many many owners of PS3 that simply got it as part of a package deal with their TV to watch movies and will be lucky to ever use it for anything other than say Sing Star or the game(s) they got with it. I know plenty of people like this too.
I do agree with one thing though, the PS3 does have many qualities. I love it for Bluray and the exclusives like Uncharted 2 and Killzone. But as an overall gaming 'experience'?? not a chance this is better than Xbox. Xbox isnt cheaper because its any less a game console. Its cheaper because it doesnt have Bluray.
As for the Final Fantasy crap - I am sure this game is loved by many but not me, so I could not care less if its better on one or the other. A tip for you Grasshopper baby. Get a better job or stop wasting money on air filters and exhausts and get all three....best of all worlds then.
get back in your corsa, you A-B lemming.
i sold the 360 within the 30 day money back window. could have got all my money back, not half. was just glad to get rid of the pile of shite. stupid kiddies console. it was both a noise pollution and a waste of space.
Would there be anything wrong with a Corsa? It's a car at the end of the day. IF you ever find a woman, you wont care about cars...
I suggest we start a fund for you. The Grasshopper fund..save up all those money off petrol vouchers and send them to you. That way you can then afford to keep a console.
not everyone with a decent motor get told to sell it to fund their girlfriends hair extensions.
a corsa is a car, like a 360 is a console - yes.
i like to go that extra bit further though. its worth it. not everyone equates extra cash to happiness. except for your bird.
spend a little (extra) live a lot.
miser.
the money you see as "saving" on buying a corsa type car, i see as money lost - with a crap car thats no fun to drive to boot.
your better off with a bus pass.
Saving? I never said I own a Corsa or saved money?? Im just not a child and look down my nose at someone that did. It is a car....not important in the grand scheme of things. This is a games forum and we are talking about games...not cars. I hope you find a woman one day. It will do you the world of good.
No - you bought your car because you are a chav. p**s off into the Max Power forums if you want to talk about your s**tty motor.
You are a budget gamer, hence why you buy and sell consoles when you obviously need the money.
I know plenty of people that would disagree with your PS3 quality statement. Mine has gone wrong twice. My friend has just taken the PS3 slim he got last week to replace a yellow light original back as its now not reading Bluray discs....quality indeed.
The myth that the PS3 is reliable will soon end. Now people are playing them more, rather than watching movies - they will eventually start to break more and more. Of course, the majority of people buy Xbox for games. There are many many owners of PS3 that simply got it as part of a package deal with their TV to watch movies and will be lucky to ever use it for anything other than say Sing Star or the game(s) they got with it. I know plenty of people like this too.
I do agree with one thing though, the PS3 does have many qualities. I love it for Bluray and the exclusives like Uncharted 2 and Killzone. But as an overall gaming 'experience'?? not a chance this is better than Xbox. Xbox isnt cheaper because its any less a game console. Its cheaper because it doesnt have Bluray.
As for the Final Fantasy crap - I am sure this game is loved by many but not me, so I could not care less if its better on one or the other. A tip for you Grasshopper baby. Get a better job or stop wasting money on air filters and exhausts and get all three....best of all worlds then.
get back in your corsa, you A-B lemming.
i sold the 360 within the 30 day money back window. could have got all my money back, not half. was just glad to get rid of the pile of shite. stupid kiddies console. it was both a noise pollution and a waste of space.
Would there be anything wrong with a Corsa? It's a car at the end of the day. IF you ever find a woman, you wont care about cars...
I suggest we start a fund for you. The Grasshopper fund..save up all those money off petrol vouchers and send them to you. That way you can then afford to keep a console.
not everyone with a decent motor get told to sell it to fund their girlfriends hair extensions.
a corsa is a car, like a 360 is a console - yes.
i like to go that extra bit further though. its worth it. not everyone equates extra cash to happiness. except for your bird.
spend a little (extra) live a lot.
miser.
the money you see as "saving" on buying a corsa type car, i see as money lost - with a crap car thats no fun to drive to boot.
your better off with a bus pass.
Saving? I never said I own a Corsa or saved money?? Im just not a child and look down my nose at someone that did. It is a car....not important in the grand scheme of things. This is a games forum and we are talking about games...not cars. I hope you find a woman one day. It will do you the world of good.
freak. im sure cars are more important than games consoles. i think its you thats needs a bird. at least get out more.
On the topic of Final Fantasy and disc swapping, who cares?
Looking at the number of comments, quite a few people. Then again saying a large percentage of the comments are from KFC spouting the normal s**te and thinking the comment sections are chatrooms you might have a point.
This English commentator is typically brainless. When will they learn that Rugby style physical football has been failing for over 40 YEARS f*ck me you have to be really thick if it doesn't sink in
Tell me what technically deficient side has ever won a major trophy, international or club football, in the last 40 years???
You could write them down on a stamp. Greece...that's it.
I couldn't care less because I hate the whole FF series....massively overrated.
I hope for the Sony fans it is released on the PS3 first though because if it's a simultaneous release, the 360 fans will have completed it before it's finished installing on the PS3.
OMG!! Is anyone loving the messages between svd_grasshopper and Cenunnos? LOL LOL I love it!! The fact is guys that both consoles are good in their own way. Xbox has a better online experience and Playstation has its blu ray and (dare i say it) longer life span. It up to the companies to make sure that they produce quality games, applications and acsessories for thier machines! I hate playstion to be honest...I have never been able to get into the whole hype thing. I love my xbox360. It does what I want it too and thats what I am happy with. People like to stick up for the console that they feel passionate about and I thing it makes for good reading!! LOL
OK, so you buy based on build quality, rather than which is the best at doing what you bought it to do?
Others don't. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Because I can guarantee there are better made versions of pretty much every single thing you own available.
And yes, EDM can be fantastic. So can rock music. That's the point.
overall quality. build quality obviously... you dont want to buy a peice of shit. i bought my car for performance. for the cash, it probably cant be out-done solid performance wise. its also very reliable. my car laps the 'ring 17 seconds faster than an audi R8. which is three times the price, that speaks volumes of the engineering... as it isnt even as powerful.
ps3 has many qualities, outside of being a quality product. and EDM has the best sound quality. so much more layer and stuff going on than in rock. thats why its such good brain food. no way rock can match it spiritually. not intricate or blissful enough.
there is no better console than the ps3, otherwise i'd own it, and there is definatley no better music than EDM, otherwise i'd listen to it... so youre wrong, bud.
That last part in particular is a mighty big claim. How do you wish to measure it? One way would be to look at the complexity of the actual composition (pitch, tone, rhythm, beats, notes etc). You could then include how difficult it is to master a piece of music...which in turn would then have to factor in the skill of the participants which would then tie in time spent practicing along with natural talent (which will be a tough one to nail down) along with the instrument used (ex. the oboe is notoriously difficult to master, would a set of drums be equally difficult overlooking the fact that drums don't play notes but rather play beats? How about a hundred stringed harp vs. a simple block flute?). Another way to measure a music's worth would be to measure it's financial success although I personally do not think this actually indicates any inherent value a piece of music might have, but more what tastes people at the time of measuring have coupled with how effective the hype marketing machine has been (or not). You could also measure it by determining how often a piece of music is played and for how long (ex. many classical pieces of music are still being played centuries after being composed - I wonder how many songs and/or pieces of music created today will be able to boast the same 3-4 hundred years from now?). That's just for starters.
Sometimes CVG's "Submit" function seems to stall, so naturally many people - myself included - click "Submit" again since it appears not to have registered the command first time around....Pristo presto! Multiple posts.
I couldn't care less because I hate the whole FF series....massively overrated.
I hope for the Sony fans it is released on the PS3 first though because if it's a simultaneous release, the 360 fans will have completed it before it's finished installing on the PS3.
On the topic of Final Fantasy and disc swapping, who cares?
Looking at the number of comments, quite a few people. Then again saying a large percentage of the comments are from KFC spouting the normal s**te and thinking the comment sections are chatrooms you might have a point.
So I see being miserable isn't going to stay in the empty hole inside of you, eh Voodoo? Now we can add obsession to the list. I suppose it could be taken as a sign of flattery but quite frankly whether you live or die means not one whit to me. You are...irrelevant..in the equation I operate under.
have we ever heard of a game conversion better than the Xbox 360 because of Bluray?....(nope)....ok that what I thought. if memory serves me most games are better converted on the Xbox 360. so this means nothing at all now that developers have had time to work on both consoles. it wasn't a big deal with the 360's ports were better, and it won't change if its the other way around.
I'm expecting square to put out a statement in the next day or 2 saying 'We'd just like to confirm that both versions will run exactly the same and the differences will be minimal' 'The ps3 version will not be any better'
You know it's gonna happen, just to please the frenzied 360 fanboys that'll appear on some messageboards refusing to buy the 360 version because of weaker looking textures. It's what happens when sony fanboys moan, the game publishers tend to put out a slightly altered statement a few days later
Yawn...All this 'my Xbox is better than you PS3' (and vice versa) is getting a bit boring now... Does it REALLY ruin a game if it is running a few frames less, displaying a few less colours or showing a few more pixels?!? Why do some people need to slag everything off and nit pick to justify thier purchase? Does Bayonetta ABSOLUTELY get ruined just because theres a tiny bit of slowdown or is FF TOTALLY GIMPED because a bit of programming is compressed and you need to swap a disc or 2?! Get a grip people!!!
BR isnt completely new tech, its basically just the storage space that is extra, and still even most exclusives dont go over 9GB. its not a matter of learning the tech. in the future it wil be needed, but seing as the 360 is dominating the HD market, games will still be produced with that 9GB barrier in mind.
its sad to see that developers developing a game exclusively for ps3 dont think "hey guys, 50GB!" the only exclusive actually using the space is MG4.
50GB, "superior cell processing unit," and KZ2 still sucked balls. what gives?
new consoles will be in the making by 2012 i think, and by then, no real progression will have been made with ps3 exclusives.
Beep! Wrong ! Blu Ray isnt only about storage you misinformed friend.It also doesnt divide the data in data blocks ,so it has instant access to any line of the disc at any given moment.In fact the transfer speed is constant in the whole disc ,unlike the DVD that is much slower in the inner circles and specially if its dual layered.That ,combined with best transfer rates etc means its possible to do a lot more of things ,specifically with streaming data.Combine that with a mandatory HDD and you have way better possibilities.
But ,I give it to you ,as long as the developers have to take in count the lower specced machines that use DVD they wont desing the games for the Blu Ray.Good thing theres quite a number of exclusive PS3 games and Sony first and second party developers and their output is so abundant.
Killzone 2 sucked balls you say?Tsk tsk ,guess you havent played it ....you should clean your mouth a bit before speaking of the best FPS of the generation thus far.
Like most people are going to notice the compressed graphics (in cut scenes) and audio, only time people go on about it is when it is pointed out to them.
Both versions will look,sound and play fantastic thats all there is to it.
This.
It doesn't matter which console people buy the game for, you're only going to notice the difference if you buy it for both consoles anyway, or have friends whom you visit that own the game for the opposing console - I'm told that Bayonetta is superior on the 360, this doesn't affect me even remotely because I'll never play the 360 version, and frankly the game looks just fine to me on the PS3. The differences between formats will be negligible and, probably, will go unoticed by pretty much everyone that buys the game.
As for the massive, strenuous effort that is disc swapping... Just how f**king lazy do you have to be for that to bother you?
Judging by how much people go on about the 360's storage I would say it is quite a bother for a few of the posters here. Who knows you might even be able to install all the discs (god knows why you would want to seeing how much msoft charge for storage) and not worry about it at all.
forkin hell there's a lot of hot air blowing in this thread.
As to what version to get . I'm gonna sit on the fence untill i see some kind of proper comparison between the two.
Considering i've been a gamer since the days of the spectrum and have fond memories of playing Mortal Kobat 2 on an amiga inwhich you had the change the discs twice before each fight, and then there was the likes of monkey island on 12 discs. Having to swap them is NOT an issue.
pfft. you sony era era kids. You don't know how good you've got it.
Was someone on here actually trying to argue that Electronic Dance Music is the best music - using the fact that some Dance Music uses an Ochestra?
That is pretty bonkers.
From a musical point of view (on the basic of 'real' music being the fusion of both the art and science) you cannot really see past the great classical composers. Although recently saw the modernist composer Steve Reich and his orchestra was unbelivable. I mean my favourite music is Blues and Jazz, but even I know that technically it could never reach the levels of say Mozart or Beethoven et al.
But still even on the most subjectivised categories - it would be difficult to argue that Electronic Dance Music is the greatest music as fact.
Of course this is not to suggest I didn't realise the facetiousness of the original comment.
Getting this for my 360 as I'm slightly addicted to bumping up my gamerscore.
My PS3 will continue to collect dust.
I have a PS1, a Gamecube, a Wii, a Dreamcast, an original XBox (well, I actually own 2 - a normal one and a crystal one) and - usually (it's off getting repaired) a 360...none of them collect dust.
My tip - Mr. Sheen.
Actually, I tell a lie - my Saturn collects dust, it's been in the loft for nearly 10 years.
Just want to point out to all you flameboys out there that the source of this article merely states that the 360 version has compressed audio and video and the ps3 version doesn't. The interpretation that this means the ps3 version is superior is pure C&VG editorial spin.
music is all about the end product and how it makes you feel. some brains are just wired differently.
i am dumbfounded when my rocker mate doesnt seem to enjoy most of my music. but i know exactly how he feels at his gaff, as soon as a rock tune comes on after a dance tune, the buzz is instantly killed, even though i know its a good rock song.
i love anything electronic (except rave) its much more blissfull and uplifting. its more about the music. it takes you to a different place even though there isnt any vocals, you feel what it is about. each good tune has a different message with its effects and sublime key changes.
with rock i feel its mostly someone wailing into the microphone. certainly isnt refreshing or heavenly.
classic compositions are heavily borrowed in dance. synthesized and live strings are among my favourite sounds. you also cant beat a good barrage of percussion, thats what gets you going.
While I agree with you, SVD, that it's difficult to nail down the specific value a type of music has for each individual due to personal tastes (i.e. it's subjective), there is both a science and an art to music as Neon pointed out.
It is possible to declare that a certain musical composition is in fact more harmonious. Harmony as a concept in physics is measured by the wavelengths of the sound produced; if they align with each other, or are in sync, then they are harmonious and incidentally tend to be more pleasing to the human ear than when they are unharmonious which is classified as noise. It is also possible to measure the complexity/difficulty of a composition in technical terms.
Sometimes CVG's "Submit" function seems to stall, so naturally many people - myself included - click "Submit" again since it appears not to have registered the command first time around....Pristo presto! Multiple posts.
i might have pressed submit... more than once... but i'll never tell.
SVD: youtube "opeth - Godheads Lament" and see how many fake drums and guitars there are. listen to the whole song, mind you, dont be prejudiced. and some brains just arent wired at all.
also, Mozart is overrated. his only good piece is "lick me in the ass." yes, thats a mozart piece, believe it or not.
While I agree with you, SVD, that it's difficult to nail down the specific value a type of music has for each individual due to personal tastes (i.e. it's subjective), there is both a science and an art to music as Neon pointed out.
It is possible to declare that a certain musical composition is in fact more harmonious. Harmony as a concept in physics is measured by the wavelengths of the sound produced; if they align with each other, or are in sync, then they are harmonious and incidentally tend to be more pleasing to the human ear than when they are unharmonious which is classified as noise. It is also possible to measure the complexity/difficulty of a composition in technical terms.
^this.
people who say music is purely subjective, is the same as ugly chicks saying "beauty is on the inside."
This discussion has really taken another turn since the last time I looked!
Harmony is an interesting concept - what you are talking about is resonant harmony, which is indeed a physical truth, but perceived harmony is another thing. Both are used heavily in music, and both work. For instance, octaves in the western scale are determined using physical harmony (that is, when the frequency doubles, the note is one octave higher) but the notes in between are not (F, as a note, is not pitched where maths would have it). Other scales around the world are determined in different ways, using both methods.
Cernunnos- what are you on about. different genres exist because it is a style in itself, that has enough following.
if the style was no good, it wouldnt be a genre. there are good examples of every genre out there - there has to be, even if you dont agree with it.
i hunt my music down for my taylored likes. most people sadly listen to whatever gets pumped out in uk media. charts, popular bands, tv, radio.
almost none of my music features in the media over here. although scanning through my one radio station, inbetween minidiscs, terry wogan did play cerrone supernature on the way to work today
This discussion has really taken another turn since the last time I looked!
Harmony is an interesting concept - what you are talking about is resonant harmony, which is indeed a physical truth, but perceived harmony is another thing. Both are used heavily in music, and both work. For instance, octaves in the western scale are determined using physical harmony (that is, when the frequency doubles, the note is one octave higher) but the notes in between are not (F, as a note, is not pitched where maths would have it). Other scales around the world are determined in different ways, using both methods.
Cernunnos- what are you on about. different genres exist because it is a style in itself, that has enough following.
if the style was no good, it wouldnt be a genre. there are good examples of every genre out there - there has to be, even if you dont agree with it.
i hunt my music down for my taylored likes. most people sadly listen to whatever gets pumped out in uk media. charts, popular bands, tv, radio.
almost none of my music features in the media over here. although scanning through my one radio station, inbetween minidiscs, terry wogan did play cerrone supernature on the way to work today
music doesnt have to be good to be succesfull, just look at all the mindless crap simon cowell keeps churning out.
cant really say any of my favourite bands are in the media here either, but then again i dont really listen to radio or watch so-called "music" channels.
to me in order for something to be good, it needs to have been made simply for the purpose of its own existance, not with ulterior motives. it has to be something not every joe on the street can do. it has to challenge the listener into thinking, so the lyrics matter. and preferably the music should mean something to the artist who created it. im not locked into genres, i can listen to a whole variety of music, but it has to meet certain criteria. i listen to Mayhem and Anaal Nathrakh one minute, and Vamp and Queen in the next.
Limbonic Art uses some electronic sounds in their music, but manages to incorporate it beautifully, you might like it. try: Venomous Kiss of Profane Grace.
now-a-days artists neither write nor compose their own music, they buy them from songwriters, their voices are heavily altered to make them sound better. all live performances are playback.
who cares about off topic, its all in the name of fun.
dance is all about the music. its the least paid when you compare to rockers, who are basically leading celebrity lifestyles, dressing up in stupid clothes on stage. its usually an act more than anything.
dance producers engineer the track from the ground up. lyrics dont matter i think, i prefer instrumentals with strong substance.
and the progressional style of dance building and building, means the eventual key change is much more profound and meaningful.
the way it mixes seamlessly into the next track, and at the same time taking it in a slightly different direction makes it a true journey. hours long sets can span a whole range of styles and moods.
you dont need vocals at all to make it meaningful.
Cernunnos- what are you on about. different genres exist because it is a style in itself, that has enough following.
if the style was no good, it wouldnt be a genre. there are good examples of every genre out there - there has to be, even if you dont agree with it.
i hunt my music down for my taylored likes. most people sadly listen to whatever gets pumped out in uk media. charts, popular bands, tv, radio.
almost none of my music features in the media over here. although scanning through my one radio station, inbetween minidiscs, terry wogan did play cerrone supernature on the way to work today
Finally!!!
I can't say most of the music to I listen to is played on the radio/TV. Some older classic rock, but most contemporary stuff I like isn't. Most of the rock that is played on the radio - your Oasis's, Kaiser Chiefs etc, IMO is crap. But then they put on some real awful cheesy dance tune, and I don't think "All EDM is s**te"!!
And I'm more into alt rock, americana, country influenced stuff nowadays, but still love something heavy like Slint, QOTSA, Royal Trux etc. Still rock, just sub genres I suppose.
Actually, to be honest I've been listening more to hip hop and Brian Eno over the last few months.
dance is all about the music. its the least paid when you compare to rockers, who are basically leading celebrity lifestyles, dressing up in stupid clothes on stage. its usually an act more than anything.
dance producers engineer the track from the ground up. lyrics dont matter i think, i prefer instrumentals with strong substance.
and the progressional style of dance building and building, means the eventual key change is much more profound and meaningful.
the way it mixes seamlessly into the next track, and at the same time taking it in a slightly different direction makes it a true journey. hours long sets can span a whole range of styles and moods.
you dont need vocals at all to make it meaningful.
I totally get what you're saying dude. And that is something that you get from EDM etc. But then you can't get that sheer blast/release that you can get in a rock song that lasts 90 seconds. That's why we are all free to listen to different types of music depending on what we feel like. If you limit yourself musically, you are only hurting yourself!
Without sounding patronising, as you get older, nothing really goes away, you just add more and more music that you like. Sure, some of it will fall by the wayside (and rightly so - my Reef CDs and some awful big beat are stuffed away in a shoebox somewhere!)
Although some of my favourite songs are less than 3 minutes long. And not all rock artists are massively paid, private jet flying snooker cues. There are a lot of small (often american) bands who are just about self sufficient, maybe earning enough to buy a house and have a decent standard of living.
With lyrics, you get poetry, which is equally as beautiful and artistically viable as classical/instrumentation.
But repeating parts over and over doesn't automatically make a key change etc more meaningful. If you're a skilled songwriter and really know you're craft (which 99% of them, me included, do not), you can get that effect without minutes of repetition. It's cheesy, but think of the change on Hey Jude by the Beatles, something about it chokes me every time and I don't like the song apart from that bit!
EDM isnt just repetition. a true common misconception.
subtle layers get added, new percussion and effects come in. elements drop out, get reintroduced again. it swells and swells, the key change gets teased for many bars until it eventually turns.
it makes it far more satisfying than balls out radio edit versions.
"dance is all about the music" you dont see anything wrong with that statement? no?
older Black metal also have that "journey," Burzum would be a great example of that.
why do you keep bringing up rock?
EDM is in many cases ctrl-v ctrl-c, and im not saying thats a bad thing, but it requires little skill to produce. and it can be taught, theres no need for a musical predisposition.
Yeah I know, I shoulda made that clearer. But it's still the basic "groove", beat, riff, or whatever you want to call it that gives it that effect. Otherwise it would be all different and, well you wouldn't get the build up.
"dance is all about the music" you dont see anything wrong with that statement? no?
older Black metal also have that "journey," Burzum would be a great example of that.
why do you keep bringing up rock?
EDM is in many cases ctrl-v ctrl-c, and im not saying thats a bad thing, but it requires little skill to produce. and it can be taught, theres no need for a musical predisposition.
yes its loops... but an instrument player is just repeating themselves also - thats music. the repetition is essential.
in EDM its about finding the perfect elements. going through hundreds of different hihats to find the one that fits perfectly in what youre trying to achieve.
a musical ear is either there, or it isnt... guitar playing "can be taught" also. such snobbery.
building a track is like reverse engineering inside your own brain. its very difficult.
you know what you want it to sound like, but need to spend hours manipulating your equipment to get that sound. its very unintuitive especially on a computer. dead unnatural. thats where the skill comes in.
and knowing chords, keys etc are just as important.
at the end of the day its still MUSIC. it cant just be flung together hastily no matter what you think.
Stop calling it EDM!! Jesus, there are so many genres and sub genres within dance music that categorising it with one blanket acronym doesn’t serve any purpose whatsoever. Orbital at Glastonbury was one of my all time greatest musical moments though, they were f**king awesome.
Grasshopper, you’re surprisingly lucid and amiable when you’re talking about something you clearly love, you should try it more often, you’ve even allowed other peoples views to be partly taken on board and recognised. This is a momentous day.
Music is music no matter the taste, as KFD pointed out, it's objective. How you listen to it can make a big difference though and compressed output is vastly different than lossless digital output, try comparing them with the proper equipment (although, there'd be little difference played via television speakers).
The game also comes on one PS3 disc, no losing the spare discs at the wrong moment or fears of disc 2 or 3 being corrupt and not loading.
"dance is all about the music" you dont see anything wrong with that statement? no?
older Black metal also have that "journey," Burzum would be a great example of that.
why do you keep bringing up rock?
EDM is in many cases ctrl-v ctrl-c, and im not saying thats a bad thing, but it requires little skill to produce. and it can be taught, theres no need for a musical predisposition.
yes its loops... but an instrument player is just repeating themselves also - thats music. the repetition is essential.
in EDM its about finding the perfect elements. going through hundreds of different hihats to find the one that fits perfectly in what youre trying to achieve.
a musical ear is either there, or it isnt... guitar playing "can be taught" also. such snobbery.
building a track is like reverse engineering inside your own brain. its very difficult.
you know what you want it to sound like, but need to spend hours manipulating your equipment to get that sound. its very unintuitive especially on a computer. dead unnatural. thats where the skill comes in.
and knowing chords, keys etc are just as important.
at the end of the day its still MUSIC. it cant just be flung together hastily no matter what you think.
sure, guitar can be taught, but not the mastery of it. if you give a step-by-step guide to anyone, on how to create a certain computer-generated song, it will come out the same, time after time. give some shmuck with a guitar the tabs to a Steve Vai piece and he wont stand a chance. tell someone who owns a drumset to recreate Deliverance, even set his drumset up to perfectly match the original, and give him a sheet saying exactly what drum to hit, and exactly when to hit them, it would still be a no-go.
electronic music removes the human aspect of it, and makes it impersonal. it doesnt matter who made it, no difference can be heard, because at the end of the day, this button press makes this sound, and that slider lowers that pitch. sure, some people are more ingenious in their compsition, but once composed, anyone can recreate it perfectly, the only skill lies in the creation of it, not in the performance.
Music is music no matter the taste, as KFD pointed out, it's objective. How you listen to it can make a big difference though and compressed output is vastly different than lossless digital output, try comparing them with the proper equipment (although, there'd be little difference played via television speakers).
The game also comes on one PS3 disc, no losing the spare discs at the wrong moment or fears of disc 2 or 3 being corrupt and not loading.
So you definately cannot install all the FF XIII discs on the 360 or are you guessing?
"dance is all about the music" you dont see anything wrong with that statement? no?
older Black metal also have that "journey," Burzum would be a great example of that.
why do you keep bringing up rock?
EDM is in many cases ctrl-v ctrl-c, and im not saying thats a bad thing, but it requires little skill to produce. and it can be taught, theres no need for a musical predisposition.
yes its loops... but an instrument player is just repeating themselves also - thats music. the repetition is essential.
in EDM its about finding the perfect elements. going through hundreds of different hihats to find the one that fits perfectly in what youre trying to achieve.
a musical ear is either there, or it isnt... guitar playing "can be taught" also. such snobbery.
building a track is like reverse engineering inside your own brain. its very difficult.
you know what you want it to sound like, but need to spend hours manipulating your equipment to get that sound. its very unintuitive especially on a computer. dead unnatural. thats where the skill comes in.
and knowing chords, keys etc are just as important.
at the end of the day its still MUSIC. it cant just be flung together hastily no matter what you think.
sure, guitar can be taught, but not the mastery of it. if you give a step-by-step guide to anyone, on how to create a certain computer-generated song, it will come out the same, time after time. give some shmuck with a guitar the tabs to a Steve Vai piece and he wont stand a chance. tell someone who owns a drumset to recreate Deliverance, even set his drumset up to perfectly match the original, and give him a sheet saying exactly what drum to hit, and exactly when to hit them, it would still be a no-go.
electronic music removes the human aspect of it, and makes it impersonal. it doesnt matter who made it, no difference can be heard, because at the end of the day, this button press makes this sound, and that slider lowers that pitch. sure, some people are more ingenious in their compsition, but once composed, anyone can recreate it perfectly, the only skill lies in the creation of it, not in the performance.
you calling people a snob? thats rich.
/facepalm.
entirely expect comments like that from people like you.
you have no clue, truly.
your statement couldnt be more false.
creating music isnt a skill thats why you have some of the biggest names in music raking in millions, from an album they never produced - and wouldnt have the first clue to how produce...
Stop calling it EDM!! Jesus, there are so many genres and sub genres within dance music that categorising it with one blanket acronym doesn’t serve any purpose whatsoever. Orbital at Glastonbury was one of my all time greatest musical moments though, they were f**king awesome.
Orbital = Amazing. Saw them at Global. Blew my socks off, been a fan since forever and I never thought I would get to see them live. Seriously immense.
electronic music removes the human aspect of it, and makes it impersonal. it doesnt matter who made it, no difference can be heard, because at the end of the day, this button press makes this sound, and that slider lowers that pitch.
As someone who actually produces electronic music, this comment is ignorant and offensive. It also completely invalidates whatever point you were trying to put across. Seriously, I'm not going to dignify it with a response, apart from to delare that you sir, are an imbecile.
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