Modern Warfare 2 players exploiting a recently discovered Javelin glitch will be suspended from Xbox Live, says online boss Stephen Toulouse.
Comminicating via his Twitter, Toulouse wrote: "While IW works on getting the MW2 glitch fixed, people we catch using it will receive suspensions from LIVE. Play fair everyone."
He added later:"Using a glitch in a game to get an advantage is explicitly called out in the ToU. It's not like people are doing it by accident.
"Wow some of you think cheating a glitch is ok. um.If I install my car stereo wrong and it disables my door locks, it's not ok to STEAL MY CAR." Indeed it isn't, Steve.
The Javelin glitch - though obviously we can't describe it in full - involves exploiting a bug with the equipment to turn yourself into some sort of exploding suicide bomber. It sounds fun, but if you use it you could be suspended from Live for up to 2 weeks... so better not.
How pathetic of MS. If a glitch exists, then it is the responsibility of the developer to fix it and this will only become clear by people abusing the glitch. Banning people because there is a fault in the game is nonsense.
Oh, and aren't people bored of COD online yet. It offers nothing substantially new from the last one. Move on!
COD Multiplayer is great fun, and there is more to this one than previous COD's. I guess your either not very good at it or your one of those fanboys who only play games for trophys then eh?
The Javelin glitch - though obviously we can't describe it in full - involves exploiting a bug with the equipment to turn yourself into some sort of exploding suicide bomber
Sounds interesting. Can this be done in the single player campaign? Would be interesting to try on the Airport level
How pathetic of MS. If a glitch exists, then it is the responsibility of the developer to fix it and this will only become clear by people abusing the glitch. Banning people because there is a fault in the game is nonsense.
Absolutely agree.
This is purely a fault with the game and - as such - down to Activision and Infinity Ward to resolve. There is literally no reason for MS to get involved here other than to put pressure on them to fix it.
Do they ban people who quit out of FIFA games early because they're losing? - no.
How pathetic of MS. If a glitch exists, then it is the responsibility of the developer to fix it and this will only become clear by people abusing the glitch. Banning people because there is a fault in the game is nonsense.
Oh, and aren't people bored of COD online yet. It offers nothing substantially new from the last one. Move on!
I couldn't agree more.
Yet another example of companies overreaching and punishing customers for faults caused by the developer. Sure, the gamers taking advantage of this glitch may hardly be contenders for sportsmanship awards but it is far from the same as stealing someone's car because they inadverdently left their doors unlocked. The two scenarios are not on the same level in terms of impact, value and severity so to make a direct comparison is not just meaningless, it's also ridiculous.
looking at that YouTube video, it looks SO simple to do that i'm pretty sure i could do it by accident. So, would Microsoft ban me for stumbling across a bug in their game? should i now fear playing MW2 online on the off chance i accidentally trigger it?
They've just turned a trivial little matter into something likely to p**s off a big chunk of paying fans.
Fix your game you lazy bastards, don't punish your players for finding what your play testers couldn't.
This happened to me the other day. Some yank was running round Rust with a javelin. I must have been killed by him 6-7 times with it exploding and killing me everytime I killed him. I couldn't understand it.Now I know.
How pathetic of MS. If a glitch exists, then it is the responsibility of the developer to fix it and this will only become clear by people abusing the glitch. Banning people because there is a fault in the game is nonsense.
Oh, and aren't people bored of COD online yet. It offers nothing substantially new from the last one. Move on!
I got bored after 4 online games. Nothing exciting. I went back to Uncharted 2 and KZ2 online which are a lot better.
looking at that YouTube video, it looks SO simple to do that i'm pretty sure i could do it by accident. So, would Microsoft ban me for stumbling across a bug in their game? should i now fear playing MW2 online on the off chance i accidentally trigger it?
They've just turned a trivial little matter into something likely to p**s off a big chunk of paying fans.
Fix your game you lazy bastards, don't punish your players for finding what your play testers couldn't.
@the truth. Just to confirm that I am indeed a trophy whore, although I'm pretty good at COD on-line. I just gave up when I realised that a number of other games deserved more attention.
This is stupid, expoloiting glitches is part of the fun of gaming. A very small part, but still a part. As everyone has said they're the developers responsisbility not ours.
maybe if it was in a tournament. or if you didnt pay a subscription.
wtf is this, shite IW quality control = live ban for you??
pretty sure a lot of people will do it by mistake - the way it was found out in the first place.
and worse, how do they know? are there losers ghosting games like big brother.
i knew MS liked to be all-controlling, but this borders on rights infringement. dont care if its in the contract, its a bug left in by the developers. its not the players fault.
Since I don't own a copy of the game I'm not sure exactly when it's used, but I'm assuming it's an online exploit.
And that means there's stats and tracking involved. Meaning it's as much MS' place to stop people using it as it is IW's. If it was just an annoyance then maybe they wouldn't bother but if you can enhance your own stats or upset other players then of course MS need to get involved because it's their online service that's being messed with.
Since I don't own a copy of the game I'm not sure exactly when it's used, but I'm assuming it's an online exploit.
And that means there's stats and tracking involved. Meaning it's as much MS' place to stop people using it as it is IW's. If it was just an annoyance then maybe they wouldn't bother but if you can enhance your own stats or upset other players then of course MS need to get involved because it's their online service that's being messed with.
Dajmin, are you earnestly stating that you consider a ban of private customers that are paying to play online due to an in-game glitch caused by a developer is an appropriate punishment? I'm presuming that the ban effectively bricks the Xbox 360 from all online gaming. If that is the case then MS's response strikes me as wholly disproportionate to the misdeed.
the terms of use clearly state that glitches arent to exploited. so the response is appropriate, and its just for 2 weeks.
if i knife a person, i shouldnt die, right? now if i do, then my stats are altered by some cheating bastard. that would p**s me off. and i would expect my service provider (i play it on my ps3, and wish sony would do the same), to make sure people arent cheating, which they agreed to NOT doing when signing up to the online service in the first place.
there are much worse glitches they need to deal with though. like the idiots hiding inside rocks.
the terms of use clearly state that glitches arent to exploited. so the response is appropriate, and its just for 2 weeks.
if i knife a person, i shouldnt die, right? now if i do, then my stats are altered by some cheating bastard. that would p**s me off. and i would expect my service provider (i play it on my ps3, and wish sony would do the same), to make sure people arent cheating, which they agreed to NOT doing when signing up to the online service in the first place.
there are much worse glitches they need to deal with though. like the idiots hiding inside rocks.
so, is it the players fault, or the developers fault you lose a stat?
bearing in mind, the other player dies too. its a pointless bit of fun or a mistake on the players part.
bottom line - its a glitch with the game. patch it fucking up. dont ban paying customers!
F!*k Microsoft. I was a loyal Xbox gamer until they started becoming imperial. I have now gotten rid of the damn thing (shame, as there were/are some good games on that platform).
If you have to cheat like this to get ahead in a game then your a loser. Why should I have to go into a game only to be killed by some sad 12 year old who's exploiting a glitch. Just as you cant say it's not IW's fault for leaving it in, it's unfair on real gamers who dont glitch to let these people play. Wall glitchers are the worst, but this would annoy me as well. At least with martyrdom, you get a chance to leg it before it explodes.
the terms of use clearly state that glitches arent to exploited. so the response is appropriate, and its just for 2 weeks.
if i knife a person, i shouldnt die, right? now if i do, then my stats are altered by some cheating bastard. that would p**s me off. and i would expect my service provider (i play it on my ps3, and wish sony would do the same), to make sure people arent cheating, which they agreed to NOT doing when signing up to the online service in the first place.
there are much worse glitches they need to deal with though. like the idiots hiding inside rocks.
so, is it the players fault, or the developers fault you lose a stat?
bearing in mind, the other player dies too. its a pointless bit of fun or a mistake on the players part.
bottom line - its a glitch with the game. patch it fucking up. dont ban paying customers!
its the players fault. yes, he dies as well, and probably has fun running around ruining everyone elses fun, but that doesnt make it ok to use. whether he hurts his own stats or not is irrelevant, because its his choice, but he also affects anyone he kills with it.
IW is working on the patch.
i really dont think people will do this by mistake, and besides, they probably only ban if reported several times by different players etc, so only the people who use it more than once.
ban paying customers? when they are breaking the contract they agreed to, of course.
Dajmin, are you earnestly stating that you consider a ban of private customers that are paying to play online due to an in-game glitch caused by a developer is an appropriate punishment?
Yes I am. You sign up to those T&Cs when you create the account. You cheat, that's the risk you take. It might be a disproportionate, but you've already told them it's okay to do it. It's like using someone's house without their knowledge. Using their cooker might not be as bad as throwing a house party and trashing the place, but it's still illegal
I agree that a console ban is probably a bit much, but if you can see someone has repeatedly exploited it then they did bring it on themselves. Someone who accidentally uses it once is a bit different.
If something is laid out in the terms and conditions and you knowingly, and voluntarily breach it, be it the fault of a glitch or not, MS are well within their right to do something about it.
People seem to be blowing this way out of proportion. The punishment for consistently exploiting the glitch is a min 24hour suspension. No one is going to receive a perma-ban at all and you will not get suspended for doing this once or twice either, it's those who go into a lobby then end with a 35/7 Kill/Death and procede to do it over and over.
Do they ban people who quit out of FIFA games early because they're losing? - no.
Exactly the same principle, as I see it.
That's not really the same though is it. If a person were to leave a game on FIFA, the game ends you get the win and they get a nice boost to their DNF percentage to warn future players.
If there were a glitch in FIFA that were allow one to instantly score anywhere from one to four goals once you had conceded a goal, that would be the same...ish.
Also who would have thought in testing to equip a Javelin, then cook a Semtex, switch back to the Javelin then procede to run around the map like a madman untill they got killed?
End of the day it is cheating,and cheating is against the Xbox LIVE T&C.
Dajmin, are you earnestly stating that you consider a ban of private customers that are paying to play online due to an in-game glitch caused by a developer is an appropriate punishment?
Yes I am. You sign up to those T&Cs when you create the account. You cheat, that's the risk you take. It might be a disproportionate, but you've already told them it's okay to do it. It's like using someone's house without their knowledge. Using their cooker might not be as bad as throwing a house party and trashing the place, but it's still illegal
I agree that a console ban is probably a bit much, but if you can see someone has repeatedly exploited it then they did bring it on themselves. Someone who accidentally uses it once is a bit different.
A few points:
1) Just because something is stated and signed off on in a T&C does not necessarily make it legal. For example, you and I could draft a contract that states that with my signature I accept that I become your property (i.e. slave). It doesn't matter how well written that contract is, it is still void because it violates national laws that supercede it. Rules and terms of conditions established by companies are at best guide lines and I do not accept them unless they are in full accordance with existing national laws that are deemed fair by relevant legal authorities and a government elected by the people which thus grants me a say in the process.
2) Last time I checked minors can not legally sign binding contracts of any sort. This includes T&C. I'm guessing a number of "MW2" players are under the age of 18 which is the age that would be applicable in most Western countries regarding the signing of contracts and agreements (there are a few exceptions and they usually involve the legal parents or guardians signing as well).
3) What ways are MS using to determine whether it was an accident or intentional that someone used this glitch?
In light of the three points above it would be far simpler, and more amicable, for everyone involved if MS leaned on IW to get its act together and solve a problem that originated with them. Ok. So that might mean that not everyone is happy - too bad for IW. Clean up after yourselves!
People seem to be blowing this way out of proportion. The punishment for consistently exploiting the glitch is a min 24hour suspension. No one is going to receive a perma-ban at all and you will not get suspended for doing this once or twice either, it's those who go into a lobby then end with a 35/7 Kill/Death and procede to do it over and over.
Do they ban people who quit out of FIFA games early because they're losing? - no.
Exactly the same principle, as I see it.
That's not really the same though is it. If a person were to leave a game on FIFA, the game ends you get the win and they get a nice boost to their DNF percentage to warn future players.
If there were a glitch in FIFA that were allow one to instantly score anywhere from one to four goals once you had conceded a goal, that would be the same...ish.
Also who would have thought in testing to equip a Javelin, then cook a Semtex, switch back to the Javelin then procede to run around the map like a madman untill they got killed?
End of the day it is cheating,and cheating is against the Xbox LIVE T&C.
Does that mean that those players who actually are good enough to get Kill-to-Death ratios of that nature may end up being banned? Lovely little system these asshats have cooked up.
Well i just think it's a bit over the top. You can talk terms and conditions all that you want, but come on, it's hardly as bad as playing copied games or modding your system. I can understand bans for that, but to ban players for exploiting a glitch that's in the game and can be sorted with a patch of some kind is just overkill.
Look...it's a few people running around, getting kills and maybe causing a few moments of frustration. It's not like they have a god mode code where you can't kill the player. They have to get close enough to do it. Frustrating on the smaller levels, but it shouldn't bother anyone really....just kill them before they get to you.
It's sad that people just can't play the game, that they have to resort to cheap tactics. I also think it's sad that people online play music as loud as they can into the earpiece, and people being generally ignorant and racist hang out online, but hey, people are people.
I get that if they are constantly exploiting the glitch that action should be taken against those players, but rather than ban them i would just drop their stats down to zero.
I think that would make most players who exploit the cheat think twice about doing it again.
Sorry, but you f**kers know full well it's a glitch, so don't just put the blame on IW, they're not perfect, the blame mostly lies with you. It's all fun and games until some f**ker does it to you. Seeing as it's not even a perma - ban, I don't see the problem and everyone who's anyone knows that if you glitch, you run some sort of risk of being banned, don't play stupid.
And ofcourse this isn't legal in terms of law. They just mean in the game/use of Playstation. If you're not abiding by their rules, they have every right to do what they need to to sort you out. Believe it or not, banning someone temporarily from PSN/XBL isn't illegal in a court of law. f**k me, eh?
This is the kind of thing that's quite fun/ny in a Private Match, but, if you're doing it online, then you're a nob. Please go and die in a corner. Prefferably queitly.
Sony has choosen the right thing to do. Yes its wrong to cheat, and you might think that MS are right to punnish those who cheat but here is the bottom line:
MS are taking the problem out of IW hands and putting it in gamers, so that means dev's can knock up shoddy games and its ok MS will punnish the gamers NOT the devs.
Sony see this (correctly) as a problem with the code that IW have written which will be patched VERY soon (if not already). If people dont play MW2 becuase IW cant write code right they'll play a differnt game, probably Uncharted 2. Sony don't lose IW does. If IW don't want to lose online users then they better get to work sorting out the problem sharpish.
MS are shooting themselves in the foot (again), they might ban people who done the glitch by accident, they might ban people who think this is some sort of secrect move. If these people get banned for something they didn't know, then both MS and IW loses becuase people will get pi$$ed off and might move to Sony for their gaming fix.
Yes cheating is wrong, but shoddy proggramming is even worse. MS have choosen to side with shoddy programming, Sony have choosen to give gamers the choice what they want to do.
So cheating becomes okay when the developers haven't found a way to stop it? That's ridiculous.
Of course it should be the players decision. Any game exploit is always in the hands of the player to decide whether to use it or not. I could use cheats like crazy in any game if I want to.
The flipside is the people who are actually using the product the way it was intended. If they're being hurt by using the game the way the developer intended (and shockingly enough, they might not have thought people would want to screw people over by cheating) then something needs to be done.
Until a patch can be programmed (which takes time), that means innocent players are being punished for following the rules, and that is blatantly unfair. Which means the only option is to punish those who break them. And they've already agreed to that.
One time I'd let you away with. Offline you can do what you like. But once you start screwing people over it's another matter entirely.
Why is there always one dick that thinks they know everything about everything?
A minor can enter a contract daily, when they purchase something from a shop for example they are forming a contract of purchase at point of sale by exchanging money for goods. This contract then becomes a contract of service and can be used to return faulty goods etc etc
Oh and Modern Warfare is an 18 rated game, they shouldn't be playing it in the first place but you carry on trying and failing to be a smart ass.
Sony has choosen the right thing to do. Yes its wrong to cheat, and you might think that MS are right to punnish those who cheat but here is the bottom line:
MS are taking the problem out of IW hands and putting it in gamers, so that means dev's can knock up shoddy games and its ok MS will punnish the gamers NOT the devs.
Sony see this (correctly) as a problem with the code that IW have written which will be patched VERY soon (if not already). If people dont play MW2 becuase IW cant write code right they'll play a differnt game, probably Uncharted 2. Sony don't lose IW does. If IW don't want to lose online users then they better get to work sorting out the problem sharpish.
MS are shooting themselves in the foot (again), they might ban people who done the glitch by accident, they might ban people who think this is some sort of secrect move. If these people get banned for something they didn't know, then both MS and IW loses becuase people will get pi$$ed off and might move to Sony for their gaming fix.
Yes cheating is wrong, but shoddy proggramming is even worse. MS have choosen to side with shoddy programming, Sony have choosen to give gamers the choice what they want to do.
would you please point me to a game, any game with online play that doesnt have glitches? glitches are everywhere and neednt be the result of shoddy programming. IW is working on fixing the problem, and im sure MS is trying to make them hurry up, but in the meantime are taking whatever steps they deem appropriate to keep the game fair for their paying customers. XBL is a paid service, so MS should always be on their toes when it comes to making sure its a good experience. glitchers ruin this experience for way more people than those who will be banned, so for the sake of the paying customers who play fair, this is the right thing to do.
Uncharted 2 was fantastic as a single player game, but i hardly think anyone accustomed to the standards of MW2, GoW2, Halo3 etc will bother with playing Uncharted 2 online, as its a big pile of bovine faeces.
they will mostly likely not ban people who did it by accident, but frequent users of the glitch.
MS are doing the right thing, and i wish sony would do the same as i bought MW2 for my ps3, not 360. and the same should be extended to those who glitch their way into rocks. no way in hell THAT happens by accident.
I'd ban anyone who constantly uses the glitch for 24hrs and if they still use it after that then hit them with 2 weeks. These kind of people seem to think it makes them great at the game when all it actually does is p**s people off. Its cheating whether its a fault with the game or not and the only way some idiots will ever learn not to use them is for some sort of punishment, cause you sure as hell can't shame them into not using it. They should have brought this in way back when people were exploiting the glitch's in the original GOW where you could go outside the map area and still shoot people but they couldn't shoot you. That put me right off playing that game (well that and the dive forward roll shotgunners).
Why is there always one dick that thinks they know everything about everything?
A minor can enter a contract daily, when they purchase something from a shop for example they are forming a contract of purchase at point of sale by exchanging money for goods. This contract then becomes a contract of service and can be used to return faulty goods etc etc
Oh and Modern Warfare is an 18 rated game, they shouldn't be playing it in the first place but you carry on trying and failing to be a smart ass.
1) You tell me.
2) Try brushing up on contract law and then get back to me.
3) Why thank you! Failing to be a smart ass implies that I do in fact have some knowledge. Now, as for being a dumbass...Well, you figure it out if you can.
@ Cernunnos "would you please point me to a game, any game with online play that doesnt have glitches?"
Sure, and by glitches we are talking about doing something that will generate an unfair advantage.
Gran Turismo PSP Motorstorm PR Final Fantasy XI
"glitches are everywhere and neednt be the result of shoddy programming." Ok, shoddy playtesting then.
" IW is working on fixing the problem, and im sure MS is trying to make them hurry up,"
It should not be MS's job to act as Quailty Control for 3rd party games. What if they had to do this with every game? It would be a HUGE drain on MS, they are only doing it for MW2 becuase it is so big.
Also I only said U2 as an alternative to MW2 as a random game off the top of my head.
I still stand by my comment of that this action gives the green light to other devs that if they drop the ball, its ok MS will pick up the pieces, and thats just not on.
Sure, and by glitches we are talking about doing something that will generate an unfair advantage.
Gran Turismo PSP Motorstorm PR Final Fantasy XI
i give. but you having to resort to a psp title says a lot.
Ok, shoddy playtesting then.
they cant possibly find every little glitch. we have no idea how many glitches were rooted out in their playtesting. they should have focused on the wall-breaches as those are very common, but this one? this glitch is just strange, and there can be no guarantee for finding it during a playtest, or even a public beta for that matter.
It should not be MS's job to act as Quailty Control for 3rd party games. What if they had to do this with every game? It would be a HUGE drain on MS, they are only doing it for MW2 becuase it is so big.
MS is not taking on the job of quality control either, not for IW at least, but for their own service. they are acting on behalf of XBL, and its paying customers to do right by them, not by IW.
Also I only said U2 as an alternative to MW2 as a random game off the top of my head.
its not an alternative as they are very different games, and random isnt the way to go.
I still stand by my comment of that this action gives the green light to other devs that if they drop the ball, its ok MS will pick up the pieces, and thats just not on.
of course it doesnt. if developers drop the ball and decide to rest on their laurels and hope MS will help them out they have another thing coming. shoddy developing will always be punished in terms of sale, just look at Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising.
but Sony's deciosion to do nothing gives the minority a green light to screw everything up for the majority. Sony is yet again giving a "meh" response and is rewarded for it.
Well, perhaps if IW hadn't decided to not put out a "MW2" MP beta in all their hubris, this brouhaha might have been avoided in part, if not entirely.
surely there would have been less glitches. but i strongly doubt this one would have been found. though of course we can never know. so pointing blame on them not having a Beta is pointless. patching a glitch is slightly harder and more time-consuming than, say, snapping your fingers. so who will protect the integrity of the people who play fairly while the patch is under work? not sony, thats for sure.
but i strongly doubt this one would have been found.
I do you base this doubt on?Also what was wrong with listing a PSP game in my last post? I picked it becuase I have been playing it online, same with Motorstorm and FFXI.
Also with playtesting in beta stages means trying every possable action that can be done in the game. This clearly has not been done, like the melee through walls trick, the playtesting on MW2 has been rubbish.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on the whole sony/microsoft way of dealing with this problem.
Well, perhaps if IW hadn't decided to not put out a "MW2" MP beta in all their hubris, this brouhaha might have been avoided in part, if not entirely.
surely there would have been less glitches. but i strongly doubt this one would have been found. though of course we can never know. so pointing blame on them not having a Beta is pointless. patching a glitch is slightly harder and more time-consuming than, say, snapping your fingers. so who will protect the integrity of the people who play fairly while the patch is under work? not sony, thats for sure.
It is only pointless in so far that it does not change the fact that the glitch still currently exists which further underscores the need for proper beta testing. It is far from pointless when pointing out that this is yet another link in the chain of IW apparently taking short cuts. It helps establish a pattern of IW not taking responsibility for it's own product. For shame!
on the fact that it took millions of gamers almost a month to find it, when a beta wouldnt have been so comprehensive, with maybe 300.000 players tops.
Also what was wrong with listing a PSP game in my last post? I picked it becuase I have been playing it online, same with Motorstorm and FFXI.
because a PSP game is so small in size compared to MW2, and that car games are much easier to playtest for as players only have a fraction of the possibilities of interaction etc that you have in a shooter.
and who says FFXI doesnt have glitches? http://www.squareinsider.com/forums/topic/27404-hundreds-banned-because-of-square-enix-ffxi-glitch/
Also with playtesting in beta stages means trying every possable action that can be done in the game. This clearly has not been done, like the melee through walls trick, the playtesting on MW2 has been rubbish.
no it hasnt. it has been up to standards compared to playtesting on basically all other online shooters. a public beta is just the developers way of saying "we cant be bothered to test it ourselves, you do it." if the playtesting was rubbish, the game would be riddled with glitches, and it isnt.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on the whole sony/microsoft way of dealing with this problem.
im fine with that. but nothing wrong with a bit of civilized debating. like nietszche said: "I never learned from a man that agreed with me."
It is only pointless in so far that it does not change the fact that the glitch still currently exists.
its pointless because its an unknown whether or not a beta would have fixed it.
It is far from pointless when pointing out that this is yet another link in the chain of IW apparently taking short cuts. It helps establish a pattern of IW not taking responsibility for it's own product
they are taking responsibility, they started working on the patch as sound as they were made aware, or so they say. we cant know, but'll just have to take their word for it.
Sony is also responsible for my experience with their product, and there are several 3. party products out there to enhance or improve, say, the gamepad. because the sixaxis/DS3, just isnt as good a gamepad as the 360's. Sony knows this, but has in that, just as now left gamers to their own devices. same with the YLOD. Sony doesnt give a s**t about their consumers, and their decision to do nothing with this is more towards their complete apathy than sense of justice. sony has a constant position of go "go f**k yourself!" and keep getting applauded for it?
yes, IW may have dropped the ball, and are the ones responsible for the glitch existing in the first place, but sony should take care that my experience on PSN, which is their service, isnt being ruined by cheaters. and yet again, they just give me the finger.
some guy was using this in my match he was 181 for 18 so nothing special, pretty bad glitch if you die as well. i thought it was cool not a glitch.
if he had a KDR of 181 for 18 because of the glitch, then how is it a bad glitch? i assume "181 for 18" wasnt exactly what you were going for?
no, it doesnt really give much of an advantage to the player using it, but big disadvantage to those killing him. so seing as people dont really profit from using it, they must be using it to p**s people off, making the offense even worse.
Cheating is cheating and I doubt MS will be banning for the odd occurance, just the people who are obviously exploiting it.
Exploiting glitches in online multiplayer can be incredibly annoying when you dont understand how you are being exploited. Like the people under the floor bug in World at War. Very annoying and little you could do about them.
Cheating is cheating and obvious cheats should be punished.
on the fact that it took millions of gamers almost a month to find it, when a beta wouldnt have been so comprehensive, with maybe 300.000 players tops.
Also what was wrong with listing a PSP game in my last post? I picked it becuase I have been playing it online, same with Motorstorm and FFXI.
because a PSP game is so small in size compared to MW2, and that car games are much easier to playtest for as players only have a fraction of the possibilities of interaction etc that you have in a shooter.
and who says FFXI doesnt have glitches? http://www.squareinsider.com/forums/topic/27404-hundreds-banned-because-of-square-enix-ffxi-glitch/
Also with playtesting in beta stages means trying every possable action that can be done in the game. This clearly has not been done, like the melee through walls trick, the playtesting on MW2 has been rubbish.
no it hasnt. it has been up to standards compared to playtesting on basically all other online shooters. a public beta is just the developers way of saying "we cant be bothered to test it ourselves, you do it." if the playtesting was rubbish, the game would be riddled with glitches, and it isnt.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on the whole sony/microsoft way of dealing with this problem.
im fine with that. but nothing wrong with a bit of civilized debating. like nietszche said: "I never learned from a man that agreed with me."
It is only pointless in so far that it does not change the fact that the glitch still currently exists.
its pointless because its an unknown whether or not a beta would have fixed it.
It is far from pointless when pointing out that this is yet another link in the chain of IW apparently taking short cuts. It helps establish a pattern of IW not taking responsibility for it's own product
they are taking responsibility, they started working on the patch as sound as they were made aware, or so they say. we cant know, but'll just have to take their word for it.
Sony is also responsible for my experience with their product, and there are several 3. party products out there to enhance or improve, say, the gamepad. because the sixaxis/DS3, just isnt as good a gamepad as the 360's. Sony knows this, but has in that, just as now left gamers to their own devices. same with the YLOD. Sony doesnt give a s**t about their consumers, and their decision to do nothing with this is more towards their complete apathy than sense of justice. sony has a constant position of go "go f**k yourself!" and keep getting applauded for it?
yes, IW may have dropped the ball, and are the ones responsible for the glitch existing in the first place, but sony should take care that my experience on PSN, which is their service, isnt being ruined by cheaters. and yet again, they just give me the finger.
All things being equal beta testing is clearly something "MW2" could have benefited from in its current form. That is readily apparent given some of the current issues. Whether this particular glitch would have been caught or not will remain unknown yet the precise reason of beta testing is for the testers to try everything that can possibly be thought of. Since someone clearly thought of/came across this glitch there is at least as good reason to think proper widespread beta testing could have caught it as opposed not to. If you wish to fall on the side of pessimism then so be it, I however will not join you.
Also, if IW are going to take responsibility for this mess by preparing a patch (the verdict is still out whether this will fix the glitch or not,) then what exactly is MS doing getting involved with its ban hammer? Either way defending the banning of gamers who are paying a LIVE subscription because of an in-game flaw that should have been caught to begin with is a losing battle. Indeed, preventing someone from using a paid for service (a real financial factor) because of taking advantage of a poor piece of software coding that has no real financial impact is deplorable. Cheating in a MP game session isn't great yet white-collar crime is hardly better and that seems to get a free pass time and again. Funny how that works...
If MS is going to use the ban hammer, and providing that it affects the relevant gamers' ability to play any other Xbox 360 games on LIVE, then MS should reimburse those gamers for the lost days of gaming with other games where they have yet to be proven guilty of violating a suspect set of T&C which may, or may not, be fully upheld in a court of law. Some companies will try to pull all sorts of crap if they think they can get away with it or if it nets them more money than they would have to pay out if caught on the losing side of a lawsuit. The reason why I applaud Sony's decision (one small bright spot in a sea of murky ones) is that they are not executing a disproportionate response to a rather frivolous in-game phenomenon. MS are overreaching on this occasion and IW have been caught with their trousers down. Poor form, IW and MS, poor form indeed.
Cheating is cheating and I doubt MS will be banning for the odd occurance, just the people who are obviously exploiting it.
Exploiting glitches in online multiplayer can be incredibly annoying when you dont understand how you are being exploited. Like the people under the floor bug in World at War. Very annoying and little you could do about them.
Cheating is cheating and obvious cheats should be punished.
So let the PC version have dedicated server support so that gaming communities can regulate their own. Clearly IW are not up to the task and thankfully MS doesn't have an iron grip on the PC internet side of things with its trigger happy "one-size-fits-all" carpet bombing approach. But of course in IW's and Activision's infinite greed...ahem! I mean "wisdom" IW.net was created because it would provide an "equal" experience. Nevermind that it takes a 10 year step back for PC online gaming. You couldn't make this crap up if you tried.
Yes i met em , played yesterday and there was at least 3 noobs using this glitch , they ended game on something like 45 kills 3 deaths.. and met several others through the course of the day .. all i can say is fix the glitch ..please
i dont understand what most of you noobs are complaining about? If you dont use the glitch it shouldnt bother you and if you do use it man up and play the game properly you dicks...its not like the glitch happens everytime you use the javelin,it happens because you choose to set things in motion to glitch the game to have an unfair advantage against other gamers...what is the point?? and why whine about this being the developers fault? no matter what the game is there will always be glitches that will always need to be fixed with patches,its part of life. hopefully they sort out the rock glitch too in afghan cause too many noobs use that also..camping is one thing but hiding in rocks,elevator glitches and javelin glitch users are just sad little tosspots who cant play the game properly and need mommys helping hand to get them through
Unknowingly blowing yourself up by doing the specific combination of acts necessary to accomplish the glitch and knowingly exploiting a glitch that ruins the overall experience of the game for others are two VERY different things.
Yes, IW should be responsible for fixing the glitch, which they are (taking their sweet time) doing. But, until it is fixed, anyone who exploits it (and it's rather obvious if you've ever played a game where it's been done) certainly deserves a brief involuntary hiatus from enjoying the benefits of his/her online gaming experience.
Considering the number of people that have had their games/stats screwed up because of these glitchers, a day to 2 week ban is hardly unjustified. If it's purely about having fun, as most glitchers use as a reason for doing it, why is it so difficult to round up a group of friends and do it in a private match? Because the glitch itself isn't what these retards enjoy, it's p**sing off others and ruining their experience that gets them off. I'd work for peanuts and hooker sweat to be responsible for kicking these d-bags offline.
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