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(3 days ago)  #1 GenoZStriker

"We tried to beat them at their game" This is a life learning experience. NEVER DO THAT! Warcraft 3 forever

(3 days ago)  #2 N3on-

they could have done better in their group which wasnt a hard group.

(3 days ago)  #3 4KFmatthe

Just play gank style :D Good analyze kuro xD ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦

(3 days ago)  #4 j4ykee

no worries Kuro, still wp. but tbh, u should have stick to ur ganking style :)

(3 days ago)  #5 Danny89

sad to see their faces of disappointment :( btw, hope the video is perfect this time:)

(3 days ago)  #6 sniperzreborn

Danny @@ I thought Ftz was an old team. Haha not unknown lah tell them. >.<!

(2 days ago)  #43 Danny89 ya i told them during dinner just now..

(3 days ago)  #7 baked-dude

Lmao imagine the buttsecks MYM would face if they went on to play Kingsurf CD or Aeon, considering they got pwned by a seemingly useless team, who were beaten 39-8 by MYM themselves earlier. there are no bad heroes, only bad teammates !

(3 days ago)  #8 Pin3con3

should of sticked to the game style they were used to also can we see any PI interviews, i was amazed they made it so far i wana see their own reaction of it

(3 days ago)  #9 _Seph_

LOL... "Chineses are like robots, they play 12 hours a day" Really nice excuse, but in depth that's a little true...

(3 days ago)  #10 Arsalaan   Asian teams play more than 6-8 Hours per day, they basically dont have a life outside the game, and therefore they are way ahead of the euro teams. However, its not an excuse to lose in Groupstage (2 days ago)  #44 Danny89 that's what 1 of the Chinese manager told me.. 10+hours a day is true.. & btw, it's not like they have no life.. but they are actually earning salary by just playing.. not "working" nor studying but earning by PLAYING @_@ (yesterday)  #70 deMi_GoDs   lol danny, I think europe's gaming salary > Asian (yesterday)  #71 [SLO]Heldarion Since European salaries are more or less nonexistent, this statement is wrong.

(3 days ago)  #11 dtz

i wonder where this assumption came from.. in the ehome interview. they specifically said that they just started training since about 2/3 weeks ago. and that they didnt train for long hours everyday because they feel it is counter productive.. go read ehome gk's interview on this very site. and didnt ehome ( or other china teams) took like 4-5 months break from dota because of university within the past year or sumthing? if anything mym played an insane amount of games this past month. i remember a weekend in which there were 10 streamed mym matches. just in the space of 2 days. who knows how many non streamed games or pubs or idec/pride games the members played apart from that it is not hard to admit that they just played smart. and probably trained smart too. they had faith in their drafts and playstyle and that paid off..

(2 days ago)  #45 Danny89 they were inactive around 2months & played 10+hours for the past 2 weeks :)

(3 days ago)  #12 otaru

Nice interview.

(3 days ago)  #13 supa_fly

I really thought MYM had a chance. Too bad they don't perform as well on LAN as they do online. =/

(3 days ago)  #14 mandurang

Nice interview. It is, if nothing else, a huge learning experience for a team that comes together for the first time to play together in LAN! And yeah, I still think Kuro and MYM are one of the best players and teams ever, and they'll have a long way to go if they keep at it. Last edited by mandurang at 29.11.2009, 15:07

(3 days ago)  #15 Lena.sweet

don't worry my boy ! u still my best player in my mind ! fighting kuro ....

(3 days ago)  #16 TH4N4T0S

I think KuroKy is right. I believe MYM could have reached the semifinals had they not resorted to a new strategy which they barely knew how to execute. It was like a rapper trying to sing opera or a human trying to speak an alien language. MYM may actually be better than some of the top 8 or the Chinese, but they simply made a terrible mistake too early in the competition. At least PokerIdols stuck to the American style, the style which they are best at.

(3 days ago)  #17 hustleplay

mistakes and regrets are the best teachers in life. They will come back stronger! I hope... =) Let's make some highlights! :)

(3 days ago)  #18 ChippeD

They should attend that china tournament thingy to restore their glory

(3 days ago)  #19 Anfere

Its just stupid, how a team that have a certain playstyle, that have strategies that work just fine, and some key heroes they are the best with (exemple sk for mania, miggel with lion or puck, angel with storm). And when they travel to a very important tournement like that, they just choose to pick differently, change everything to something experimental during the official games, and just loose their way and playstyle after only 2 or 3 games. Its really sad, but its also a mistake due to lack of experience. Kuroky is a very skilled player, one of the best, but i don't think he have the experience needed to lead or pick for MYM. Maybe he is better player and in better shape than Maelk, but this defeat would of never happened if Maelk was leading the team, simple because he have more experience on bans and picks and as a leader. I think that this mistake isn't just due to lack of experience but due to over confidence, and cockyness. No pro team would of gone rogue trying strats and weird picks during official tournement. It was obviouse that those strats weren't well conducted, and its just sad they though so low of their opponent and played like they were playing vs pub noobs, and lost in the end. Each defeat brings new experience, and MYM will probably grow stronger, but it is still a big disapointment, and i just hope that they will get the chance to attend another asian tournement to clean their epic fail. Last edited by Anfere at 29.11.2009, 06:59

(3 days ago)  #21 ChippeD   +1 (2 days ago)  #27 IShotTheSheriff   Dude, Kuroky by no means picks and makes the decision by himself. (2 days ago)  #30 lishanglong They do "have a certain playstyle,that work just fine" but it just works fine in EU, they tried it in scrims but not good. their traditional way lost to EHOME in the scrim 1:4, kuroky said that, he said they prepared some secret stra, but can't afford to show them against EHOME in srims so they used EU way (they thought they could make it to meet EHOME in real deal, and show them secret stra), i think that what made them doubt about themselves and picked differently... and also in the last game against Ftz, it seems their secret stra didn't work, 1st cos they should ban SPE. 2nd also cos Ftz was hard to deal with, they seems on the same level with mym..... (2 days ago)  #47 Danny89 Spectre got the right 1st item & that turned the game quite alot :X (2 days ago)  #46 Danny89 he wasnt cocky, it's just that sometimes people makes bad decision.. (2 days ago)  #51 4KFmatthe He did 2 bad decisions with his team :D Last edited by matthe at 29.11.2009, 21:07 ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ (14 hours ago)  #73 Killing4joy very true. But all in all many great players and great teams missed this tour so I wouldnt put asians so much infront. I would've liked to see how would old ks.int manage in this tour.

(3 days ago)  #20 seacrac

The playstyle doesn't suit them at all. They could have gone much farther into the tournament had they go with their usual playstyle. However, this is definitely a huge learning experience for Kuroky. Good luck in the future, I still believe you are among the best player in the world.

(2 days ago)  #22 gnerogeem

Kuroky you're the best. I must say that this tourney teach you a lot about the game isn't it? Wish you a brighter future then!

(2 days ago)  #23 taunos

nice interview, MYM will come back stronger than ever... thats for sure I gank alone :D

(2 days ago)  #24 ichix_

just stick to your original gank style and picks..

(2 days ago)  #25 SharkMan

Just a tip for making these interviews: use a microphone what you can put close to your mouth, because the camera mic pics up a lot of noise since its not that close to you and sometimes it's really difficult to understand what you are saying.

(2 days ago)  #48 Danny89 Sorry, everything is in a rush & the equipments are our personal equipments & we are just volunteers :(.. (i actually took my dad's videocam & he couldnt bring it to Spain yesterday :S).. we do not have time for editting too as Internet connection isnt available in rooms & only until midnight so we basically have connection only during the tournament which runs the whole day till 1-2am, which we will be Busy running around taking Pictures, interviews & updating the Live ticker.. we'll try better in future if there's another tournament in Malaysia.. (SMM'10 prize will be RM50k, which is around 10k EUROs) thanks for the advice :) Last edited by Danny89 at 30.11.2009, 04:27 (2 days ago)  #54 mandurang   10 EUROS? OH MAN LET ME START PACKING ALREADY (2 days ago)  #57 Danny89 10K EUROs.. woops..

(2 days ago)  #26 N3on-

i still believe european > asian

(2 days ago)  #28 muyiboy

Kuroky u r the best dota player! Never give up ur dream! i

(2 days ago)  #29 Handsomic

NICE Excuse! Good luck fat boy

(2 days ago)  #31 iCicehsm

excuses excuses excuses why not just man up and admit that they beat you?

(2 days ago)  #32 EEDIwke

I think they learned alot from this and I belive they have the talent to be no.1 team again. GL in future bobs

(2 days ago)  #33 biome

kuroky seems so sad! sigh.. hope they learn from this and after this they should practise asian style dota on their own inhouse games at home too.. not in SMM!

(2 days ago)  #35 SharkMan   pls no more ricer games, especially not at home, they are so boring... i think smm is a good study for IceFrog too, so he can make dota less farm oriented once again, it is so boring to watch

(2 days ago)  #34 Kenz-

MYM definitely wasn't expecting a tough challenge I guess. The game against xLo should have been their wake-up call. Picking Obsidian Destroyer wasn't the best choice especially if you're planning to go farming all the way against a Spec and Medusa. Medusa didn't even drop to half HP when MYM threw everything at her. Ftz` aren't on the same level as MYM for sure, but MYM screwed up that game badly with picks and the way they wanted to play the game. That basically played into Ftz`'s favour. See the game where Ks played Ftz` in the next round. That's the difference in skill right there, people.

(2 days ago)  #36 ZexTar

why is this named JohnnyUtah interview on frontpage? :Q:Q

(2 days ago)  #37 Longzzzz

nice

(2 days ago)  #38 aWrnSS

Well, a truly disapointment. I can´t believe they made the trip of their gaming lives (at least till next year), reached there and gave up their playstyle to 'try to adapt to their and beat them at their own'. I feel sad for em, but the huge mistake they made was stupid and very unprofessional, MYM payed 5 tickets for the players, being the star of Europe, to show that MYM still is the big house of gaming, and they werent able to even play with the pros. I love the team, I love this site but I just can´t say 'Oh, pour Kuro&Co', I really hope that after such a fall, the team rise higher than ever and show that you learned from the mistake. But this will be in the head of all, the top EU team was beaten in an Asian groupstage. When will they redimit this? Who knows, SMM10 is faaar away. I really hope you guys show your potencial, I believe in MYM :)

(2 days ago)  #39 papucric

Don't worry man, i am one of the fans who will still be supporting u only even though u lost to a random team, whether it is Asian Malaysian or European! MYM would have learned a BIG lesson. Experience > skill, though all 5 players are skilled, the only thing missing was Maelk's extraordinary experience. Even if he didn't want to play, at least could have gone with them and guided them in such a big event. Their game against Sino(groupstage match No.2) depicted a sort of nervousness in the initial 15 minutes of the game and in the game they lost to ftz, they tried to beat Asia in their style, which of course failed, they tried to turtle where they could have picked SK(MaNia) and Storm Panda(Angel) and could have won it easily. But whats done cant be undone. Good luck in future tourneys, hope you don't get disappointed and disappoint your fans. No offense.

(2 days ago)  #40 shostakovich

Shit happens, Kuro.

(2 days ago)  #41 SHUTUPWOMANGETONMYHORSE

Didn't Maelk give any pointers to the team? I can only imagine how they felt. Maybe they should have gone to DH instead, a better choice for their 1st time LAN edit: but then again maybe this experience they gained will be useful for the future encounters Last edited by SHUTUPWOMANGETONMYHORSE at 29.11.2009, 18:19

(2 days ago)  #42 eulisia

kuroky why can't u just admit MYM's defeat? u did watch how easily Ks raped Ftz, and how Sgty took down Ks with 2 lanes down didnt u? if u don't admit the gap between MYM and asian teams u will never improve! be a man!

(2 days ago)  #49 mA-Paradise

Oh by the way, Ftz played MYM style :), although not MYM picks Last edited by mA-Paradise at 29.11.2009, 20:39 Love&war, for now

(2 days ago)  #50 LicHKinG

better luck next time : ()

(2 days ago)  #52 IShotTheSheriff

Asians are good, better than eropeans (due to more playing btw, it is NOT A RACIAL SKILL) no doubt. Most of their games are boring though, including 4-5 almost all time ricing heroes. Last edited by IShotTheSheriff at 29.11.2009, 23:15

(2 days ago)  #53 jackblack901

Last year, their excuse at ESWC is we used our common style but we didn't know a sh!t about Aisan style... This year, their excuse is we know Asian style and we tried to use their style but it went all wrong.... It's kind of funny if you add those 2 excuses together. Last edited by jackblack901 at 30.11.2009, 00:19

(2 days ago)  #55 theLightning   Yea I know man, they just get owned either way but can't admit anyway. Getting beaten in pre-tournament games can affect you big time, losing 4-1 to EHOME with I'm guessing their standard play was a big wakeup call for them. I understand that they tried to change their style because they got the idea that winning finals was not an option if nothing was changed, but seriously just admit that you got humiliated instead of giving us your excuses. I don't even want to imagine what they would say if they would have won, probably ''omg pshh it was easy''.

(2 days ago)  #56 hustleplay

I think asians are really more skilled than euros for many reasons: 1. Environment: I think this is the most important factor. Most euro tournaments are online while asians have more Lan. The experience of playing in Lan is so different coz you have more pressure, noise, etc... 2. Practice: "Practice makes perfect" they say. And if asians practice more than euros, what more could you expect? Skills doesn't just come to you when you feel like playing... 3. Dedication/professionalism: Most euro teams don't take dota that seriously as compared to asians. From clan-jumping to random stand-ins, they surely lack dedication to the game which brings down to number 4. 4. Competitiveness: I believe that MYM can improve a lot if they play with lots of "serious" top teams. They can't really test their skills or see if they are still have some room for improvement. Sometimes it has negative effect if you always win with "average" or not serious teams... Now that they know the skill gap between them and asians, they can see what parts of their game needs imporvement and also gave them new ideas on how to play the game. If the asians play 8-10 hrs, maybe they need to start adding some practice hours too. Anything can happen in Dota. You are winning at the beginning but simple mistake and you lose. Let's just hope that they go again at SMM (if there is) and expect more competitive matches between asians vs euros... Last edited by hustleplay at 30.11.2009, 03:29 Let's make some highlights! :)

(2 days ago)  #58 Danny89 nice points.. Asians get salary by just playing while most western teams are thrown around & even when they won, prizes were not paid.. FYI SMM paid cash for #4-8 ON THE SPOT immediately after the ceremony in front of every1, & Bank transfer for #1-3 only because afraid that they will get robbed with such large amount of cash(there's lunatics in Malaysia).. (yesterday)  #60 dtz   may i know who got paid salaries and if its not confidential how much they are paid? i always thought their sponsorships just entitled them to free use of the cybercafes, some gaming gears, and travels. i know ex ks-xiaogui said he can pay for his accomodation and meals just from dota earnings. not sure if he meant prize money or salaries. the future is bright for dota if these guys are indeed paid monthly. (yesterday)  #62 Danny89 >200 EUROs monthly for each player, 1 of the Chinese teams.. @_@ free use of CyberCafes, Gears & Travels are the basics for most team.. the Salary part, i only know 1 team as some1 asked the manager & i was the interpreter.. i did heard that KS do pay their player, but if i m unmistaken it wasnt as much.. (yesterday)  #64 dtz   nice. thanks for the info maybe mymym can try to do a little bit of research into that and make it into an article. im sure a lot of ppl are curious to know. and more people will be motivated too. (yesterday)  #65 Danny89 what's there to be motivated== unless you are a Chinese pro gamer.. lol :( (2 days ago)  #59 DNRandoyX WORD!!! +1 A world w/o walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?

(yesterday)  #61 sunR

:) The average salary for mouz.cs was about 3000 euro last year , I can imagine dota is way lower Lesson learned mym btw , I think they tried to shock with their picks , but somehow it seems that even when asians pull of those unreal picks , they have a clue what they want to do , mym didn't Last edited by sunR at 30.11.2009, 08:23 Today is that tomorrow you were worried about yesterday /x

(yesterday)  #63 dtz

expensive lesson indeed.. pro admirals proudmoore go lothars edge and intel treads.. cant believe kuroky did such a basic mistake and went for vanguard battlefury bkb. he has always had questionable item choices decision (agha refresher qop, 2xbutter potm)

(yesterday)  #66 Zest-

-_-

(yesterday)  #67 wRcDotAQUITLINE

u can only play as good as the opponent lets u .. one thing ppl dont see enough

(yesterday)  #68 mysassyelf

Everybody loves MYM dota and the so-called european gank style. But seriously not making out of the group stage is the worst thing that could happen, which in fact did happen. Considering that all teams had enough time to prepare, there is no justifiable excuse. Watching the 2 games where MYM got raped was very disturbing. I even thought those replays were fake; there's no way those guys could be MYM. So just wtf happened? Anyways, i'm sure you will figure it out. You learn more things when you lose. Defeat is shameless as long as the spirit is unconquered. I hope you'd improve your picks. There's a lot of games where you could have easily won had you chosen the right heroes. Anyways, gl in the future! Hope to see another asia-europe rivalry. Kuroky MYM fighting! friends may come and go, enemies accumulate... gg

(yesterday)  #69 deMi_GoDs

still, mym has not lost their fans at all =) I personally think, it just different play style.. while europe using gank, and asian using farm for their late heroes

(22 hours ago)  #72 DFCJLCoolFrenzy

Asians cant be better then european tbh! Why? Look, compare their boring turtling to the mym-style and you can calculate that mym and the asians play the exact same counts of games per day! Beside the joking, smm was one of the frightfully boring tournaments i ever watched... zzzZZZzzz If it bleeds i won't f*** it!

(9 hours ago)  #74 Zhaoyun241

Boring or not, one strategy works against another and it needs good execution. Even turtling strat if not executed well can be a double-edge sword for you. Dota is about multiple factors: 1) Hero matchups/lineups Balance between good early laning, ganking, 5v5 fight, etc. If you pick too 5v5 fight oriented heroes combination and sacrifice the laning phase of the game, you will lose. If you pick too many carries and resort to turtling strat, it is not a good idea as well. 2) Strat execution. Is one strat always >>> than others? Not necessarily. If somehow MYM ganking style can overcome the asians turtling strat, then why not? This has been proven several times in MYM past games where they beat turtling strat easily with their ganking style (In one of the F4F matches if I am not mistaken). Through the scrim againsts EHOME, somehow, their usual strat did not have strong enough execution to overcome EHOME strat whatever it was. 3) Individual skills (comprehensive understanding of the game mechanics, map awareness, last hit, fog utilization etc etc etc). 4) miscelanious factors that has been discussed in recent post such as mentality, luck, latency factor/lag etc. etc. If you can't handle the pressure from fans, and the magnimity of the event, then you would not perform 100%. Oh wait, I forgot, this is a LAN tournament, so no latency issue =p.