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12th November 2009, 22:40

Vortix - The Future of Europe

VortiX

Undefeated in solo matches in WC3L, won 80% of x6tences points, and led them to  a 2-0 record and 8 points total over two of the best teams in their group. Spain Juan ‘Vortix' Moreno Durán has put Spain x6tence in the driver's seat in their group in WC3L.

Part of the next generation of young gun European players, Vortix is 16 years old and the younger brother of Germany Meet Your Makers Superstar Spain Pedro Moreno ‘LucifroN' Durán. The two Spaniards live together, with LucifroN just turning 18 and also have an older brother and former semi-pro player Spain Jose Luis ‘Ryo_' Moreno Durán who was pretty good himself, who now does organizing for x6tence.

VortixVortix has brought a very aggressive and micro intensive way of playing Undead, following in the tradition of Russian Fede- Dmitriy 'Happy' Kostin and China Zhuo 'TeD' Zeng before him. When asked about whether he looked to the two top undeads he says while smiling, "You exactly guessed it. I used to watch reps of TeD and Happy, I still do it though..."

Of course living with his brother, one of the top Orc players in Europe, if not the world, he has gotten plenty of Undead v Orc experience and this has shaped his view of the game and the strength of his matchups. "Yes of course (I have a strong Orc matchup), to be honest I can't really see the big imbalance that many people are whining about. I guess it's because of training with him, but yes, my UD vs Orc is quite good." However, it doesn't always end up as a great thing. "We usually train a lot even though it's not really good, since we meet at almost every Spanish tournament final."

This is both Vortix and x6tence's first season in the WC3L and he admits it has given him a bit of a lift as he enjoys the new style. "I really think (the format) is good, I really like it. Old styles were starting to be a bit repetitive, and with this new system everyone, even the ‘lower' players have a chance to win to the against better ones."

He's now already helped to beat Millennium and now he has led them over Raptor in close matches. "I didn't expect that, even when I saw the lineups I thought it was pretty bad for us, because I didn't want to play versus psyko, but I relaxed myself and did the best I could, it turned up great." You have to raise doubts about the team somewhat as other than Vortix, Yange seems to be the only player capable of getting points, at least thus far, but Vortix doesn't seem to put pressure on them. "It's hard to say who are the strongest on our team, everyone is pretty good, it's hard to judge that, and I'm quite happy with them."

VortiXPerhaps even more impressive was the recent match against Raptor. "When I first saw the lineups I thought it was nice to meet Cash... The first game started pretty well when I killed his two grunts at the beginning, after that I got more confidence and I kept playing well, despite an error I did in mid game. I didn't like second game quite much as I did many mistakes, but a bad choice by him making exe kinda gave me the game."

The match came down once again to the Ace map where he would play one of Europes better Night Elf players, Sweden Daniel 'LiiLD.C' Claesson. "I kinda felt that it was such a weird game, I got a great beginning making his DH waste TP in early game, then I surrounded it again and killed him,  but as game went on I started to mess up with my gargs, I lost many of them, but then my wyrm came up and he decided to fight vs all my army under 50 food, so I took advantage of the situation."

He has used both ghouls and fiends with regularity without it affecting his aggressiveness or overall playstyle. "I prefer to play fiends, I feel safer using them, but it's quite hard to start with fiends versus Night Elf or Human so I normally switch to ghouls vs those races, also depending on my opponent or map I play one strat or another. But I guess I prefer the fiend wyrm destroyer stuff."

VortiXLucifroN and Happy made up the last generation of young guns in WC3L and it looks as if Vortix may be the next fast rising star. When I asked him if seeing his brother win huge events like ESWC Cheonan gave him confidence in performing internationally, he had this to say: "Well, I think he always had more talent than me to play videogames, so I've always thought it is quite hard to be as good as he is, but yes, it kinda gave me quite much confidence."

Having just defeated one of the best players of playday 1, the Russian Orc Cash 2-0, I guess he knew what he was talking about with his Orc matchup. Even so, there are a ton of top Orcs in WC3L such as Grubby, Lyn, WhO, Violet, Fly100% and his brother, but it seemed to bother him not the slightest. He said laughing "I think I am quite good vs Orc, I fear most those humans around with their sneaky towers." Somewhat surprising, Vortix fears Humans the most, "After (World Elite's 7-0), and having so many humans in their team, I am quite afraid of meeting WE, but anyways the style Chinese humans have is quite different from the European ones, but still I wouldn't like to meet Sky or Infi."

While sometimes up and coming professionals that rely on micro as a part of their strategy have trouble when they play against superior players, Vortix acknowledges the difficulty in playing against top micro players like Moon and Fly100%. Light natured as ever he said, "It will be tough for sure, I think it'll be possible anyways, I train quite much my surrounds and guess that it will work fine vs higher level players, except ThomasG possibly, I tried surrounding his demon hunter a hundred times and most of them were epic fails."

VortiXHe is obviously standing in his brother's footsteps and has huge shoes to fill. I asked him if one of his goals was to become a top professional player and he had this to say:
"That's hard to answer, I think that when you play you never look forward to becoming professional, it's just something that occurs while you are enjoying the game, suddenly you realize you're on a high level. I would like to become a professional player of course, but I have other things in mind at the moment, like studies and so on, unless I get very good in little time and I really see a high chance of becoming professional I guess I'll keep on with studies."

Now that x6tence has beaten 2 of the top 3 other teams in the group, Vortix is extremely confident about his team's chances. "I really think we have chances to qualify, even though it's gonna be very hard for sure, but anyways I considered one of the toughest [M] and we managed to win them. I think that we can beat everyone, considering how well our team is playing lately, I think we will have most troubles versus Mojawi, but I think we can manage to win the other teams if we play well."

When I asked him if x6tence could win WC3L?

"Yes, and we will!"

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(3 days ago)  #1 sOOnMaNiAc
sOOnMaNiAc
nice interview !
DonĀ“t wait for your luck. You need to Work for it!
(3 days ago)  #2 Tarujo
Tarujo
very nice interview
(3 days ago)  #3 heheLOL
 
nice interview, but to be honest, WE [7]-[0] x6tence
(3 days ago)  #4 lex36484
 
This comment has been deactivated by the admin crew due to its content.
(3 days ago)  #5 NaNiwa
 
This dude isn't even impressive when half of the scene is dead and when more people were playing ~ 1-1.5 years ago he was a god damn random. really nice job making me laugh with the "future of europe" when the only reason hes known is that almost every good / semi good player has quit the game already.

and STILL the only good thing he's done is to beat a out of shape remind and play in this new joke season of wc3l.

jesus christ.

edit. the only reason hes known is because of lucifron.
Last edited by NaNiwa at 16.11.2009, 20:59
(3 days ago)  #6 Mirhi
Mirhi
Out of shape ReMinD? According to what? Qualifying and getting top 8 in IEM?

You sir sound very bitter...
(3 days ago)  #8 Mirhi
Mirhi
Not to mention 2-0 Cash, 1-0 LiiL DC, 2-0 Focus, 2-0 Reign... Obviously I'm not saying he's a top pro yet, but it'd be dumb to say he isn't any good with the results he's had and if you watch the games, you'd see it.
(3 days ago)  #7 NaNiwa
 
top 8 is not a achievment for a player of reminds old caliber.
(3 days ago)  #9 Ryo_
 
#5 :O

"This dude isn't even impressive when half of the scene is dead". "[...] when the only reason hes known is that almost every good / semi good player has quit the game already."

You only have to take a look at the last WCG... everybody were just no-names... NO.

"1-1.5 years ago he was a god damn random".

What a stupid comment... when a player reaches top level for the first time he was obviously a random in the past... or do u think that pro players are well known players since the start? xD

"and STILL the only good thing he's done is to beat a out of shape remind and play in this new joke season of wc3l."

I guess FoCuS is out of shape too... and LiiLD.C, and Cash... right?

"edit. the only reason hes known is because of lucifron."

I can't deny that part of his fame comes from being Luci's brother, but no one can deny that he is a very good player too. and STILL, if that was the case, its still better than being known for being a flamer in games/forums like some guy I don't want to mention since he was nothing more than an average UD player and had to do something desperately to call for atention ;)
Last edited by Ryo_ at 16.11.2009, 21:34
(3 days ago)  #11 Mirhi
Mirhi
+1
(3 days ago)  #10 Cechi
 
Vortix is Europe Future of undead :-) And he is going to be very good. He'll be top ud in world as TeD )
(3 days ago)  #12 NaNiwa
 
Quoting Ryo_:

#5 :O

"This dude isn't even impressive when half of the scene is dead". "[...] when the only reason hes known is that almost every good / semi good player has quit the game already."

You only have to take a look at the last WCG... everybody were just no-names... NO.

"1-1.5 years ago he was a god damn random".

What a stupid comment... when a player reaches top level for the first time he was obviously a random in the past... or do u think that pro players are well known players since the start? xD

"and STILL the only good thing he's done is to beat a out of shape remind and play in this new joke season of wc3l."

I guess FoCuS is out of shape too... and LiiLD.C, and Cash... right?

Yes they are all out of shape, I know for a fact that LiilDC barely play warcraft anymore and i couldnt imagine Cash / Focus playing very much either.

"edit. the only reason hes known is because of lucifron."

I can't deny that part of his fame comes from being Luci's brother, but no one can deny that he is a very good player too. and STILL, if that was the case, its still better than being known for being a flamer in games/forums like some guy I don't want to mention since he was nothing more than an average UD player and had to do something desperately to call for atention ;)


im not going to comment on ur pathetic english because that would just be too easy, average ud?. Perhaps thats how it looks now. I am not gonna judge myself but i would hope there was a reason i was in good clans unlike this random Vortix who became known when almost every good player went inactive / stopped playing so much
(3 days ago)  #13 NaNiwa
 
Quoting Mirhi:

Not to mention 2-0 Cash, 1-0 LiiL DC, 2-0 Focus, 2-0 Reign... Obviously I'm not saying he's a top pro yet, but it'd be dumb to say he isn't any good with the results he's had and if you watch the games, you'd see it.


Reign ? reign the elf i suppose since the real reign has no clan, Focus semi-inactive, Liil DC semi-inactive if not totally inactive. Cash - meh. nothing special. just another orc.
(3 days ago)  #14 Nibelhem
 
Vortix & Lucifon the best!

go x6!
(3 days ago)  #15 Tarujo
Tarujo
lol focus semi active, please go on, oh and reign has retired
(3 days ago)  #16 Ryo_
 
"im not going to comment on ur pathetic english because that would just be too easy"

Whatever, nice arguments xD
Last edited by Ryo_ at 16.11.2009, 21:59
(3 days ago)  #17 NaNiwa
 
Quoting Ryo_:

"im not going to comment on ur pathetic english because that would just be too easy"

Whatever, nice arguments xD


wish i could say the same.
(3 days ago)  #18 MYM|DeMusliM
DeMusliM
"I guess FoCuS is out of shape too... and LiiLD.C, and Cash... right?"

Liild.c is close to inactive, Focus hasn't been himself for a while (if you watch the replays it just isn't standard.) and it was the same with Cash - he just made silly errors. As for the article being named the Future of Europe, i find it kinda funny that you only listed vortix. I could probaly name several players that are relatively new that have been doing better - Such as Thorzain or NightEnd. Sure beating names is an achievement, especially big names - but not when they are playing under par.

As for this seasons wc3l results, as far as i can tell, x6 haven't played a top team yet, and have only played teams they are supposed to beat. Totally biased article.
(3 days ago)  #19 Mirhi
Mirhi
Cash had just previously beat Yaws 2-0 in WC3L only less than 2 weeks ago and then 1-0 Nightend in Ace match giving Raptor 5-2 over mTw. Is this a case over mTw underachieving or Raptor overachieving? Because otherwise, I'm not sure how Vortix is just beating players he's "supposed to beat".

You could say Fly100% played sub-par v Infi in WCG final, does that make his accomplishment any less? The same with Sky playing sub-par v Happy, and Yaws before that, does that make Happy > Sky 2-0 less impressive?
Last edited by Mirhi at 17.11.2009, 01:15
(3 days ago)  #21 VF|IceDagger
 
For the most part Fly didnt play that bad at all, he did make a few mistakes but the main reason he lost was because infi played absolutely amazing (apart from his pathetic start) so I don't think that actually counts. Happy vs Sky, yes it does make it less impressive. Just think about it, how much more impressive would the win have been if Sky had been on form? Might want to rethink your arguments here because there are blatantly obvious flaws.
(3 days ago)  #22 Mirhi
Mirhi
I disagree. In the 2nd game Fly played terribly. 1 Witch Doctor would have won him the game.
(3 days ago)  #24 VF|IceDagger
 
He did get one.
(3 days ago)  #26 Mirhi
Mirhi
Like 15 minutes too late
(2 days ago)  #27 iCicehsm
icehsm
15 minutes sooner than you woulda got one you scrub
re-inventing re-invention
(2 days ago)  #28 VF|IceDagger
 
I wasn't the one that said "1 Witch Doctor would have won him the game". Being that only 1 mistake "lost" him the game, I think calling it terrible play is not warranted. If playing to the point of winning WCG but making 1 mistake is terrible then I don't know what is considered good. Fly had amazing moves, his harrass was good, buying tp staff so infi couldnt get out was genius, took down arcane vault about 4 times, his micro was good with good chain wave coordination, but the point is infi just played too good.

Also you haven't even addressed the other issue I brought up about a win being more impressive if the player they beat is on form. Imagine someone beating moon in his prime compared to beating moon in his slump? I think it speaks for itself since so many lesser players beat him in his slump and noone could beat him back in hi unbeatable days. If someone had beaten him then, then it would be way more impressive than beating him while he was in his slump.
(2 days ago)  #39 Mirhi
Mirhi
It's not that he didn't play overall well in the match, it is just so obvious that he should have done it, it becomes boneheaded. Maybe its because I played Archmage Beastmaster v Farseer TC so many times in semi-pro matches and have done the same trick Infi did, but most players will get true sight as soon as they notice you are using invisible tricks.

It's kind of like Vortix said above, and I made the point to him. He buys like 20+ dust v Orc every game and not many UD or professionals in general value seeing invisible that much.

Even Rotterdam who was casting the match said "I don't know why he isn't getting Witchdoctors", and when he did he said "He should have got one like 10 minutes ago". And he's right. A sentry ward on both choke points of Infi's base would have ended the game and it would be 2-0 Fly100%.
(2 days ago)  #41 Sun_Seeker
 
nice work, you can beat infi right? next article "Mirhi the future of warcraft"

stop defending the retard article, you're making a fool of yourself
(2 days ago)  #42 Mirhi
Mirhi
I'm not defending the article. I am saying it is a simple mistake that many people realized cost him the game. It doesn't make Infi's accomplishment any less.
(2 days ago)  #44 VF|IceDagger
 
Firstly, Rotterdam wasn't actually playing the game, so he wasn't microing or doing anything else so thinking of the solution would be easier for him, and also he was observer and could see infi using invis on the summons as opposed to fly who may not have realised because at the time it was very plausible that infi could have just been running them in so a witch doctor he may not have thought of it at the start. On top of that you did say he didn't play overall well in the match, I said "For the most part Fly didnt play that bad at all" and you replied "I disagree. In the 2nd game Fly played terribly." Now, in english this means you disagreed with me saying that Fly didn't play that bad at all and I'm pretty sure that means you think he did play bad. You need to read over your past comments to see the rubbish you've been saying and then you might realise how fail your argument is.

Also you still haven't addressed the other issue, dodge much?
(2 days ago)  #45 Mirhi
Mirhi
Even if he thought he was just running them in a weird pattern around the map, an observer ward in the choke points would solve the same problem, and Fly100% as smart as he is would have realized that as he was camping Infi's base and suddenly there were summons in his. There's no zepplyn and no other way out.

As for the other issue, it's hard to tell a player's form from one match as they are playing an opponent. It's not like swimming or track where you are playing independently of someone else. In football and other sports where you play directly against competition, their defensive play impacts your offensive play and visa versa.

Fly100%'s micro in game 2 was top notch, but his macro was awful. He continued to push towards 80 food while Infi hugged his base instead of mass expanding, which is the usual counter to Human base hugging; it's done all the time in Lost Temple.

You could say that it was because he simply was playing badly, or that it was because Infi frustrated him by changing strategies mid game. It'd be impossible to tell if Infi had just pushed out and attempted to fight 56 v 70 that Fly100% wouldn't have made more or less mistakes.

In Warcraft 3, what player A does affects player B, and so you cannot say that player A playing badly is not because of player B. You seem to think that Moon lost to Infi because he was in bad shape, and I disagree by watching the games, Moon played badly because Infi did not let Moon get into his comfort zone (if you watch the TS game, you would see that, Infi ran an exact counter strategy) and it made it look like Moon played badly, where as on Echo Isles, Moon played amazingly, Infi just played that much better, again running a good counter strategy.
(2 days ago)  #47 VF|IceDagger
 
Okay the page refreshed on me while I was writing so I'm gonna summarise what I had instead of writing it out in full.

I don't think you can claim that fly was smart enough to realise that (at least not straight away) considering you say he wasn't "smart enough" to get a witch doctor straight away. On top of that he was camping the right entrance for the most part and did move out of sight often so it would have been possible to get the summons out without invis. Fly's economy and burrows were getting hit hard too so recovering from both of those was something he also had to do at the time.

Determining a player's "form" is not what you're making it out to be. A player is said to be in good form if they have been playing well recently. Fly has been in good form because he has been playing well recently, as opposed to remind who has been less outstanding than when he is on form the past few games he's played. And beating someone while they are on form is obviously much more impressive than beating them when they are known to not be playing as good as when they are on form.

Also, I never said that moon played bad against infi, as a matter of fact I commented on the matchticker on SK implying that both played very well, go ahead and check it. The slump that I am referring to is the one a few years back where moon was losing against fairly unknown players regularly, as well as top players. You might want to be careful with making assumptions, especially when it's wrong and makes up half of your argument, it might just look like you're running out of ideas to defend yourself.
(3 days ago)  #20 MYM|DeMusliM
DeMusliM
your second paragraph isn't totally relevant, - as both players in the final had alot of "sub-par" moments. As for mentioning yaws, he's good in the german scene but internationally isn't known for being great, yes he's had some good lan performances, but that's it (as for the games vs cash, if you've watched the games, you would know why the result was as it is). The games you're taking into account are totally jibbed. If Vortix proves himself, then he will have good results for a while - you can't say "oh boys the future of Europe is here because he had a good fucking week!" doesn't work like that. EVEN when players such as lucifron had a good Lan finish - 3rd euro quallies - people were still going along the lines of (oh lucky 1 show blah blah). The thing that separates the top players is, how long you can stay at the top for. So far it's been what, a week? You can't justify anything that's written here with the results thus far. As for Vortix's record so far, yes - i'll accept he's had some nice results last 2 weeks in wc3l/zotac - But there's been players that have had equal/better results, over a longer period that go without mention? (thorzain pretty much beat every orc in wc3l, and won zotac not dropping a map). If you're gonna start talking about the future of Europe, let's just wait for every player to have a freak 1 off performance and say wow, next grubby !
But of course, that isn't the case. Instead of trying to defend what's been written in this article - move on.

As for next article title - "Future of America - OC (Because he beat grubby in a bo3!)
(3 days ago)  #23 Mirhi
Mirhi
The idea of the article is to give credit for a young player's rapid improvement and continuing improvement. I began work on this article 2 weeks ago because I had seen potential. As you said, Thorzain and Nightend are at about the same level, and have been playing at the semi-pro level for many more months than Vortix has. It makes his feat the more remarkable that he has improved so much in such a short period of time.

Of course I could write about them, just as I wrote about Happy and Lucifron last year almost in an identical article to this one. (Check if you don't believe me) But I wanted to do a further in depth editorial for one player who has been the most improved and biggest surprise thus far in this season.

I'm a huge supporter of ThomasG as well and wish him well, but his results haven't been nearly as impressive (thus far).
(2 days ago)  #33 MYM|DeMusliM
DeMusliM
Vortix has been playing for a while, same with any known player.
When i got active again what, 6 months ago or so - Sunny mentioned he's already been round for a year or so, and i met him at the Euro regionals.
It's not like he just came out of no where and bam it happened.
As Nightend states in #29, i think you got the title wrong - "a new hope for ud" woulda been better, " THE FUTURE OF EUROPE !!!!!!!!" Is just ridiculous, sorry.
(2 days ago)  #38 Mirhi
Mirhi
Fair point.
(3 days ago)  #25 gosubay
 
vortix and lucifron have the same face XD
(2 days ago)  #29 NightEnD
 
haha :D i think he did a nice job dont listen to naniwa nerd , the thing is mirhi or who wrote this article u cant say "vortix hope of europe " becouse ur not doing him a favor and u will atract hate over vortix like u just did , a better titel would have been a new hope for UD or somthing like this . anyway's he did a good job by winning alot of players so keep it up mate
(2 days ago)  #30 NaNiwa
 
Quoting NightEnD:

haha :D i think he did a nice job dont listen to naniwa nerd , the thing is mirhi or who wrote this article u cant say "vortix hope of europe " becouse ur not doing him a favor and u will atract hate over vortix like u just did , a better titel would have been a new hope for UD or somthing like this . anyway's he did a good job by winning alot of players so keep it up mate


ur an even better example of my description :). i think ur jealous that you didnt get picked for this article... There is a reason you played for 4-5 years and still was unknown.. Not untill recently have you ever been in a good clan. Why? because you never reached the skill level needed untill the other players stopped practising and fell down to urs.
(2 days ago)  #31 sOOnMaNiAc
sOOnMaNiAc
ofc there are much players who can become "the future of europe" but vortix did a great job @ zotac and its unfair to criticize him like naniwa is doing..
DonĀ“t wait for your luck. You need to Work for it!
(2 days ago)  #32 NaNiwa
 
Quoting sOOnMaNiAc:

ofc there are much players who can become "the future of europe" but vortix did a great job @ zotac and its unfair to criticize him like naniwa is doing..


please add why.
(2 days ago)  #34 NightEnD
 
naniwa it seems that everything u understand is rong
(2 days ago)  #35 GameSports|Dave
 
hoe naniwa ;
just requested my forgotten password to be able to send some word to you:

naniwa, you suck.

@demu: you still owe me 5 euro - bet debts are honorable debts ;) (i least we say so in germany)
(2 days ago)  #36 NaNiwa
 
you request ur pw to tell me i suck with no further argument?.. wow.. these germans really are a step behind...

nightend. take english classes instead of playing this game. even after 5 years of wc3 ur still horrible.
(2 days ago)  #37 Feddy
Feddy
Good interview Mirhi, keep on the work.

Oh... and, whos NaNiwa? He's fun Seems jealousy and keep talking trash about one boy that is rockin at moment.

Im not judgin you, just a impression that i had.

Cya
(2 days ago)  #40 Macken
 
Quoting NaNiwa:

you request ur pw to tell me i suck with no further argument?.. wow.. these germans really are a step behind...

nightend. take english classes instead of playing this game. even after 5 years of wc3 ur still horrible.


A word to describe yourself : envy.Otherwise tell me why u came posting here even tho u are not active and dont care about this community funny kid :DD

And @ DemusliM, i'm pretty sure you wouldn't say such things if the article was called ''Demuslim - The future of Europe'' would you?


Quoting NightEnD:

haha :D i think he did a nice job dont listen to naniwa nerd , the thing is mirhi or who wrote this article u cant say "vortix hope of europe " becouse ur not doing him a favor and u will atract hate over vortix like u just did , a better titel would have been a new hope for UD or somthing like this . anyway's he did a good job by winning alot of players so keep it up mate


Totally agreed. Go juan =)
(2 days ago)  #43 MYM|DeMusliM
DeMusliM
I'm Realistic, - Right now the only future of Europe we have are - Grubby/Lucifron and Happy.
(2 days ago)  #46 Feddy
Feddy
Grubby is past..
(yesterday)  #48 sOOnMaNiAc
sOOnMaNiAc
atm he is yeah :(
DonĀ“t wait for your luck. You need to Work for it!
(yesterday)  #49 Naamis
 
Actually he is the future of europe becouse he is probably the european player who will play as a progamer for longest.
(yesterday)  #50 Cechi
 
Maybe is title a little bit bad but "Who care" say GL for him and thats all :-) We'll see if he is or not :-)

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