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03rd November 2009, 16:35

Golden Five - you are not alone

On the 1st of November this year, Vitriolic announced that they have to release their players. Ahmed 'Nordy' Al Muhanna was the director of Vitriolic, and he was the person who gave the statement. As the director, he was the one holding the money. Vitriolic gained the attention of the media and the whole community earlier this year by recruiting the famous ‘Golden Five’ including Neo and co. from Poland. The news of this disbandment wouldn’t be interesting if it weren’t for two important problems. Firstly, the Poles have lost their team for the third time during the last 365 days. Secondly, it exposed why players should not depend on their sponsors.

Let’s try to focus on the first problem that has risen. For the last few months, or to be more precise, since the global financial crisis started, the vast majority of teams have had troubles keeping or conciliating sponsors. This has led to massive roster changes inside big teams like SK Gaming and Meet Your Makers (to just name the two biggest), which I personally see as really good examples. In fact, the financial crisis is a pretty good maxim that fits every announcement which is released together with team disbandment.


SK Gaming - not affected by the crisis?

The second problem looks merely the same as the first one: Sponsors - or the lack thereof. If the world’s top 10 teams are having hard times finding new teams with companies that want to put money into them must mean something. In Warcraft 3 this is even a bigger issue then in the CS world. And even though I’ve heard from the owner of Pink Zinic that the financial crisis really exists and plays a role in these decisions, I turn to SK Gaming and see that nothing has changed there - at least for people that don't have an inside view. Even though they lost some of their supporters, at the same time they’ve managed to get new ones and sign contracts on presumably even better terms. Although I’ve heard they are not paying their staff and players lately (which might have created some player changes - hello zet), SK Gaming seems still to be the only big brand in the Western eSports world that wasn’t hit by the crisis as hard as other organizations.

The thing that is actually much scarier than the crisis itself is the lack of proper attitude and professionalism shown by some players. Think realistic, if you put money into a world top team, send them over to Dubai and see their poor performance, are you still ready to pull money out of your pocket to see more of the same? I guess not. It’s not of paramount importance for professional teams only and I suggest semi-pros to have a look as well. If you can’t perform well (and you didn’t secure yourself with proper contracts) you will lose the support sooner or later. It’s inevitable. And don't get me wrong, yes, everyone can have a bad day.


Don’t sting your golden duck

You can’t flatter yourself. To present things which are not true to people you want to get financial support from is wrong. Bear in mind that team websites are giving you profits. The same story goes lately with popular community-based websites like Twitter, Facebook or Youtube. Try to be reasonable and don’t sting your golden duck because it might lose its entire worth in no time.
I’ll present you my theory on how this should work. When you’ve created a team which is better than average, the roster is very solid and you’re able to pull out some nice games against top teams, it’s the time for you to think about getting sponsorships. First of all, gather money and create a decent website. Yes, your money input is needed. Then play under this tag for some time. Make people to remember the name of the team - do branding and give the 'tag' a tradition (something SK has done very well).

When you’re done with that, now it’s time to create a presentation with goals, short history, and an achievements list and what’s more important, the benefits that potential sponsors might get after signing a deal with you. From these simple beginnings you’re set to go. One question may arise here: did Vitriolic have those goals? Did they really know what they want to do with that team - except sending it to events?


Can we still trust organisations?

I know the community has been dwelling on this subject for many years now, but still people don’t get the idea of making a team with sponsors and reaching the top. Before you’ll be famous you have to put hard work in it and if there is nobody to help you with making this dream come true, you should do it by yourself but don't rush it, things take time.

I really don’t want to slight the guys from ex-Vitriolic because here in Poland they are the icons of eSport but shouldn't they consider better before they join a team or even better: create a new one just like Pink Zinic did. Get sponsors by yourself and once again become the best team in the world. It requires a little bit of dedication and hard work but in the end it might be the solution. Don’t be reluctant and more importantly don’t be passive. If there is something in this world that you want to have, try your best to grab it and don’t let it go. But of course, there still are organisations that are trust worthy, but they have become rare.

 

 
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(2 days ago)  #1 The1Crow
The1Crow
Well, I don't see how players can have their own organizations where they have to travel and play and be businessmen as well. The second point is also, that most of them don't even want to do this. And if they get someone to do it for them then you could call it to be an organization again, even though it might be just a small one.
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
(2 days ago)  #2 Mirhi
Mirhi
I know sometimes people have a very short sighted view of E-sports. Get a team, get sponsors, send them to an event, win prize money, and hope that the sponsor money and prize money is enough to be self sustaining.

Unfortunately it is so much more complicated than that. This is what happens in many organizations where the false promises start happening. They expand their divisions, over estimate their cash flow and are unable to fulfill their promises, even if on paper they should have been able to.

Players seem to have short sightedness on this as well, thinking if they find an organization that will pay their price, what about the long term? Will this company be around to pay me?

Do I trust this company to be my sole financier? In my case, MYM. Do I trust FIO Systems AG to be a robust enough company to work hard and that they will be here to pay me?

Take compLexity for example - this would be a prime sponsor for many people because it's financial backing for a long time was a lawyer who had more than a modest salary. Even to his own admission, Jason Lake wasn't the best E-Sports manager, but because of his own income, he could afford to lose money with the team and still sustain it. This is not a normal situation where even if a team is not profitable, it can stay open.

In most cases, this happens. The organization closes, and someone is without a team again.

Note to ex MYM / Wicked / Vitriolic:

Find a good organization first, then talk about salary, or you will have another "ex" attached to your name.
(2 days ago)  #21 BA|frequency-
frequency-
This.

I love you Frank. Marry me.

<VisarkA> one night ended with me sleeping in jolies bed
(2 days ago)  #3 tomko1808
 
In Poland to find a good sponsor is a very big problem. I'm owner one of the esport organization (my digital enemy) and I coudn't find a "serious" sponsor.
In my country a lot of company don't think about esport serious, this is a problem...
(2 days ago)  #6 M1sio
M1sio
So how can you explain teams like Tempus Moriendi, PGS, Delta, BVG got sponsors? Maybe it's not hard to find a sponsor but you should re-think the way you're approaching them?
(2 days ago)  #13 The1Crow
The1Crow
Not every team can offer great players for example...
Some ppl come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay ever!
(2 days ago)  #14 M1sio
M1sio
But if you're thinking business and you know what's business you can make good PR and get sponsors even though your team might be average.
(2 days ago)  #19 tomko1808
 
Yeah I agree with you, but we can't comparing Poland with other countries, where many more teams has good sponsors. And only 2 from polish organizations can afford on one, sometimes two international LAN.
(2 days ago)  #20 M1sio
M1sio
Only one? Delta, FX, PGS, old UF Gaming
(yesterday)  #27 Siemys
 
how about CEFO? from nowhere, they came to eSports, took few promising rosters and begun their promotion from sending their CoD team to international LAN in Croatia.

it is not so hard to get sponsor, but u have to put a lot of effort it in
(2 days ago)  #4 MrSuperGamer
MrSuperGamer
The whole Vitriolic thing has nothing to do with the economic crisis. Nordy just decided to pull out because the owners were basically throwing his money away.

Secondly, players expect too much salary these days, therefore they don't get picked up. Thirdly, SK Gaming has been hit by the global crisis. The worlds number one gaming team, Fnatic, would have been a better example.
Last edited by MrSuperGamer at 03.11.2009, 18:18

irish bastards, go ira
(2 days ago)  #7 M1sio
M1sio
I don't consider fnatic to be 'worlds number one gaming team'.
(2 days ago)  #8 MrSuperGamer
MrSuperGamer
Why not, if I may ask? Actual arguments would be appreciated when you make a comment like this. I'll show you the way:

They have the best team in the most important game and their other squads dominate their game too. I would certainly consider them to be the worlds number one gaming team.
Last edited by MrSuperGamer at 03.11.2009, 18:25

irish bastards, go ira
(2 days ago)  #9 Mirhi
Mirhi
I don't think team strength is the sole determining factor with their strength as an organization. I think SK has been the best organization in Western E-sports.

For 10+ years they have had world class teams in multiple games, had a very active news site and reputable staff, had an active fan base, conducted themselves professionally, honored their contracts.

In addition, nearly every former player talks about how great things have been under SK.

In Fnatic, for example, they have had troubles with stabilizing every Warcraft 3 team they've had, most recently Clan Go, who are some of the nicest and respected professionals.

Now I am not saying Fnatic is not an outstanding organization, in fact they are definitely one of the best, and you could make that argument, but team strength does not have everything to do with what makes one a successful multi-gaming team in this market. Thinking like that is what helped to bankrupt ESNation.
(2 days ago)  #11 MrSuperGamer
MrSuperGamer
I think you can note all those things you have said about Fnatic too, just that it's from 2004. And ask Clan Go, they had a great time. Fnatic just released WC3 as they saw no more future in it.

Also, SK has been getting a lot of negative media lately. Some players want to leave the organization because they get treated bad, some already did because of this or because they didn't get their salaries. Another good example is the signing of a SC team without doing any research. Sorry, but that's not the best org.
Last edited by MrSuperGamer at 03.11.2009, 19:17

irish bastards, go ira
(2 days ago)  #18 DarthBotto
 
Let's put this into perspective. Fnatic has a star Counter-Strike team that is stellar, nobody denies it. But then they have a CS:S squad that continues to drop in rankings. They have a WoW team that is ranked far below SK Gaming's US team. Then they have a DotA team that continuously talks about wanting to leave, only bound by contract.

Now, if you judge the overall quality of the organization simply based upon their Counter-Strike team, then yes, they are more successful than SK. You cannot judge the overall quality of SK Gaming simply based upon an incident that was conducted by a scam artist called bugg_fr.
(2 days ago)  #10 M1sio
M1sio
They are not as famous though and say what you want but SK or the old MYM had way better PR and larger fan base. Also they have team in CS which is ATM top but can become top3 or top 5 in the next few months that's why having TOP players in other games like QL or World of Walking (which are actually less popular) than w3 or that lame-ass dota thing makes them just TOP but not the best. I hope you're getting my point.
(2 days ago)  #12 MrSuperGamer
MrSuperGamer
I think Fnatic and SK are as famous as the other. WC3 isn't as popular as you think anymore, WoW has a huge fanbase (just check WoW Riot) and QL at the moment has as much money tournaments as WC3 at the moment, while WC3 is shrinking and QL is growing.

DotA they dropped.

irish bastards, go ira
(2 days ago)  #15 M1sio
M1sio
don't care bout wow (it's not an esport game for me and it's never been one) QL is ok but still it's underrate.
(2 days ago)  #16 MrSuperGamer
MrSuperGamer
I don't say you have to care about WoW.
irish bastards, go ira
(2 days ago)  #17 M1sio
M1sio
Good we agree on this one;p
(2 days ago)  #5 MrSuperGamer
MrSuperGamer
double
Last edited by MrSuperGamer at 03.11.2009, 18:18

irish bastards, go ira
(2 days ago)  #22 hancu
hancu
dude ur a bit off, as simple as that, but although unrelated to anything during the material, I like the idea of the conclusion. minuses:

'For the last few months, or to be more precise, since the global financial crisis started, the vast majority of teams' - the crisis kicked off in 2007, so you're kinda covering a 2 years period; so is it a couple of months or two years?

'SK Gaming seems still to be the only big brand in the Western eSports world that wasn’t hit by the crisis as hard as other organizations.' - what about fnatic? did we change any spons? guess not

'If you can’t perform well (and you didn’t secure yourself with proper contracts) you will lose the support sooner or later.' - good that at least you used the brackets :)

'One question may arise here: did Vitriolic have those goals? Did they really know what they want to do with that team - except sending it to events?' - no m8, because everything was counted on nordy. nobody would have thought that a director of a team or co-director, whatever, will leave his own organisation. But that departure unmasked fatal errors from other sides of management, namely the sides which are still in the orga (but are useless without good teams or $$), nothing less, nothing more.

And btw this has nothing to do with the crisis, it's weird because I found myself at the end of the article wondering 'what was the link with the crisis all about'. US, DE, FR, soon UK, IT, all these countries are already out of the crisis, so its not really such a fashionable topic as it would have been say, one year ago.

Pluses:

'Get sponsors by yourself and once again become the best team in the world.' thumbs up for the idea
Last edited by hancu at 04.11.2009, 06:42

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(2 days ago)  #25 M1sio
M1sio
It may have started 2 years ago but really, it became visible like at the end of 2007 or something like that

I think the fnatic problems was discussed earlier in the comments.

Vitriolic - the problem is, these are not my words. Somebody has thought that it is a good idea to add it to my article.

I didn't talk about the crisis because it is fashionable, I've put here and there some facts but I'm not saying the crisis is still here but the fact is that I was talking to people linked with business and the crisis is still here. Nordic countries, US etc. The crisis was put there to show more or less when the whole situation has started. Oh and btw: Companies are still using the financial crisis as a reason to fire more and more people. Because of that the Golden Five is having problems with finding new team etc.
(2 days ago)  #23 KidemZ
 
Good read :) I wouldn't agree with you guys :D
(2 days ago)  #24 ryu_tw
ryu_tw
I AGREE WITH #1 Crow :D player's can't become businessman or agent's of any sort they need the support that something to give them the push to go ahead like pushing someone from the edge
I don't think of the Future, it comes soon enough!
(2 days ago)  #26 M1sio
M1sio
That's why they need new organization or some friends to help. I was talking with person closely connected with the guys here in Poland. ATM they have some offers and ideas of how to make it work.

They can't be businessman but they can try to find somebody who can deal with all this staff.
(19 hours ago)  #28 Feddy
Feddy
They want much money like Moon..

First they need to found a solid organization.. kidmove by then!

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