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By David Pugliese

Ottawa Citizen

 

The Canadian Air Force’s timetable to obtain a Next Generation Fighter in time for replacement of the CF-18 fleet by 2015/2016 requires a competition to be run no later than next year, according to Air Force documents obtained by Defence Watch.

 

According to a Sept. 25, 2008 Air Force briefing on the Next Generation Fighter Capability, the timetable for the purchase calls for a competition to be run next year and a contract with the winning aircraft manufacturer to be signed by 2012.

 

The timetable has prompted some in the Canadian Forces to push for a sole source deal with Lockheed Martin on the purchase of the Joint Strike Fighter. Those supporting such a process are worried that if a competition is held there would be delays and a Next Generation Fighter would not be procured to coincide with the phasing out of the CF-18 fleet.

 

According to the timetable obtained by Defence Watch, initial deliveries of the Next Generation Fighter would take place in 2015/2016 with the initial operating capability in 2018. Full operating capability would be achieved by 2023.

 

Representatives with U.S. aerospace firm Boeing are arguing that it makes more sense to hold a competition and let the best aircraft win. It has been involved in meetings with Defence Department officials to promote that idea. In addition, Canadian industry representatives who support Boeing have approached government officials to question the idea of a sole source deal.

 

Boeing makes the Super Hornet, an improved variant of the F-18. It notes it can provide industrial benefits to various Canadian firms in exchange for any Canadian government purchase of the Super Hornet.

 

Canada has already invested $150 million (U.S.) in JSF. The government has also decided to take part in the next phase of the aircraft’s development, agreeing to invest around $500 million (U.S.) over the next 45 years. But according to government officials that investment does not automatically mean Canada will buy the plane.

 

That is enough for Boeing, BAE Systems and Saab Aerospace to begin marketing their aircraft to Canada. Over the last several months the firms have made presentations or provided information on their aircraft to Canada’s Defence Department. Boeing is offering Canada the F-18 Super Hornet, BAE is marketing the Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab is highlighting the Gripen.

 

Ian Malin, head of Typhoon business development for BAE Systems, has said the firm is looking to discuss teaming arrangements with Canadian firms who are not involved in JSF.

 

Defence Department spokeswoman Lianne LeBel has said no decision has been made by the government on the choice of a new fighter or on how the procurement will be handled.

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 

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So no-one is talking sole-source this time ? Thats strange......

November 06, 2009
 
4:14 PM
 
 
Watcher

There is a possibility of a good deal on Eurofighters as the British are experiencing trouble paying for new Tranche 3 Eurofighters, and are looking for opportunities to defer delivery of new Eurofighters.

November 06, 2009
 
12:04 AM
 
 

I agree with Jimmy.  The Grippen is the better choice. It was designed to be refueled and rearmed out of the back of a truck.  It was also designed to land on public roads.  The Grippen is Nato capbatible.  We could deploy it to the North or other parts of Canada or the world with minimal infrastructure.  All the other choices seem to be over priced for the amount of flying hours we would get out of them.  

November 05, 2009
 
6:19 PM
 
 
Jimmy

The so-called stealth technology need much too much time to maintain and repair. The F-22 have also some internal and external corrosion but also a glitch inside the 1980s computer. In fact the combat computer was designed 1980s and IBM don't create brand new computers and pieces. The F-22 is a garbage at 200 million dollars unit designed during the cold war. The F-35 is the same thing but the problem is the price tag per unit and the quality of the fighter against 4th generation or 4.5th generation. The F-35 is a modern fighter but with a doctrine from cold war and the F-35 is vulnerable against Russian S-400 and S-500 (modernized variants of the S-300).  The Grippen NG is the best choice between quality and quality but also price per unit. The Eurofighter batch two is also a good alternative but the price per unit is overprices , similar to a brand new F-35.

November 05, 2009
 
5:31 PM
 
 
Another David P

Certain other allies are pushing for an F-22X model, for export - were we to join that chorus I suspect some allies could be found in Congress to support an extended production line.

That being said, the endless desire of the Air Force for the latest and greatest all tricked out fighter jets is not supportable or sustainable; a country our size needs more transport and SAR aircraft first.

November 05, 2009
 
11:34 AM
 
 
achiever

What commonalities do the F 18 Hornet and Super Hornet have? Would purchasing the Super hornet do anything to assist life-extension of the existing F 18 fleet or are the F 18s all too fatigued to spend $ on?

Boeing is pushing SH sales with a $50 mil flat rate to attempt to stop the JSF from commanding the market but both aircraft are yesterday's plane. The JSF advertises itself as a fifth gen fighter but its only a third gen platform with some fifth gen bells and whistles. It may be cost effective but buying old platforms like F 15 and F 18 with advancements may not be in our best interests when the technology of the future is considered.

From my perspective, Canada should be purchasing fifth gen technology and paying the costs associated with such a bold move rather than spending a lot of money on yesterday's platforms. This doesn't necessarily mean JSF, but perhaps stretching the Hornets out a little longer to receive the best technology available to make this expensive purchase relevant well into the 21st century.

November 05, 2009
 
9:13 AM
 
 
Jim U

I whole heartedly agree with ACpilot, the number of aircrafy purchased needs to be at least 100 due to the size of the country, mx and the inevitable losses, in fact a 1 to 1 replacement based on the original F-18 purchase number of 138 is what should be looked at. And the idea of a fly off makes perfect sense as Boeing is also offering an improved version of the F-15 along with F-18 Super Hornet.

November 04, 2009
 
11:54 PM
 
 
Watcher

Glen,

I agree. An open competition is the best way to go. All of the proposed candidates have many advantages and disadvantages to them that would warrant close examination.

November 04, 2009
 
8:19 PM
 
 
Glen

The JSF is significantly behind in flight testing.  The way things are progressing with that program, it would be highly optimistic to think they would be able to participate in a competition next year.  It also looks to be getting more expensive by the day.

The Super Hornet's underlying design is a bit long in the tooth for an aircraft that Canada would be fielding for 25+ years.   That doesn't seem to be stopping the USN from buying it though.  The Eurofighter is intriguing as a fighter but I understand it is lacking on the ground attack side of things.  Don't know much about the Rafale.  

An open competition is clearly the way to go, lets see what the best fit is for Canada.

November 04, 2009
 
7:31 PM
 
 
ACpilot

Competition can only have positive results for both the Air Force and the Department of Finance.  However, with only 65 examples to be purchased, Canada has sunk to Banana Republic status in my opinion.

November 04, 2009
 
9:10 AM
 
 

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