Gore Vidal: 'Polanski victim was a hooker' - Page 2 - Showbiz

JonJonB · 01-11-2009, 21:25

Nice dodge there.

lea_uk · 02-11-2009, 00:28

Hooker or not (I don't believe she was) she was still a kid and therefore a victim.

Ber · 02-11-2009, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Berties Assetts

Witchunt are you serious, he raped a 13 yr old child get real will you, and how do we know the beast has not indulged in his sick desire for underage kids since he raped the girl.

Natassja Kinski was only 15 when she started a relationship with Polanski...

DorisMorris · 02-11-2009, 08:58

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Originally Posted by JonJonB

Sounds like old Gore. Do people still take any notice?

Unfortunately they seem to have here. Vile little man

Berties Assetts · 02-11-2009, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Ber

Natassja Kinski was only 15 when she started a relationship with Polanski...

I never knew that

it proves the perverted beast has a lust for the underage then, Polanski is nothing but a sick beast who should just rot in a cell for his heinous acts against minors,

frasera · 02-11-2009, 23:42

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Originally Posted by Berties Assetts

I never knew that

it proves the perverted beast has a lust for the underage then, Polanski is nothing but a sick beast who should just rot in a cell for his heinous acts against minors,

no not really, it just proves things are not as simplistically black and white as some would like it when applying the law. jonathan ross met his wife when she was a teen for instance and has been with her ever since. same with bo derek who was a teen when she met her husband who was 30 years older, she stayed with him till he died many years later. people are trying to stretch the definition of pedophile with this hysteria. like it or not teens are not the same as prepubescent children. the real predators who are dangerous target that group, not teenagers who frankly have aged past their sexual preferences.

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Even if the 13 year old was a hooker, she was still only 13, and what's more, Polanski pleaded guilty to the charge before he went on the run.

in the us sometimes you plead if the deal is good enough. the case was they gave him an acceptable deal and then tried to change it on him which is why he ran. like it or not there were serious problems with that trial.

Yewtree · Yesterday, 00:16

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Originally Posted by frasera

no not really, it just proves things are not as simplistically black and white as some would like it when applying the law. jonathan ross met his wife when she was a teen for instance and has been with her ever since. same with bo derek who was a teen when she met her husband who was 30 years older, she stayed with him till he died many years later. people are trying to stretch the definition of pedophile with this hysteria. like it or not teens are not the same as prepubescent children. the real predators who are dangerous target that group, not teenagers who frankly have aged past their sexual preferences.

in the us sometimes you plead if the deal is good enough. the case was they gave him an acceptable deal and then tried to change it on him which is why he ran. like it or not there were serious problems with that trial.

He ran because he didn't want to be locked up for a crime he committed.

frasera · Yesterday, 00:57

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He ran because he didn't want to be locked up for a crime he committed.

no, actually according to the documentary he did agree to serve some time. he ran because the court was playing tricks. like it or not there was a bent judge in charge and it was a circus.

Mrs Spratt · Yesterday, 03:11

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Originally Posted by frasera

teens are not the same as prepubescent children. the real predators who are dangerous target that group, not teenagers who frankly have aged past their sexual preferences.

In most countries the age of consent is above the age when people usually reach puberty because people are not deemed to fully understand the implications of a sexual relationship below that age. Eg risk of pregnancy, STDs, etc.

The age of consent in the UK was set in response to child prostitution, child prostitutes are clearly not choosing to be prostitutes so saying she was a prostitute does not excuse having sex with her let alone raping her.

Whether the victim has 'got over' a crime is immaterial, the law has still been broken.

I have dealt with victims of child abuse, it really affects people very profoundly. Perpetrators would like to believe that it's something people 'get over' but it is devastating.

i4u · Yesterday, 10:37

So is Gore Vidal saying it's ok to rape hookers?

ayrshireman · Yesterday, 10:46

Gore Vidal.

Novelist, screenwriter, senile old fart.

kimindex · Yesterday, 10:49

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I cannot believe that these people who are defending Polanski think it is ok that an adult had sex with a 13 year old. No matter what the circumstances were. Makes you wonder where they would actually personally draw the line themselves. At least this has shown them up for the unpleasant people that they are and I hope many others have taken note too.

Completely agree wth you and others who've said the same. No moral compass at all with these people. I read an article recently in which Terry Gilliam defended him, too.

tauran_shammy · Yesterday, 11:21

I find it odd that he accuses the media of being anti-semitic when everybody knows Jews run the media.

Ber · Yesterday, 11:27

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Originally Posted by frasera

no, actually according to the documentary he did agree to serve some time. he ran because the court was playing tricks. like it or not there was a bent judge in charge and it was a circus.

Oh, that was nice of him

vidalia · Yesterday, 11:32

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I find it odd that he accuses the media of being anti-semitic when everybody knows Jews run the media.

In the US, the UK or globally?

Glaston · Yesterday, 11:36

So 13 is child abuse to many on here.

Yet age of consent in Spain is 13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

The whole situation should be about the flight from justice rather than all the retro visits of moral outrage to what happened years ago.

Ber · Yesterday, 11:39

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So 13 is child abuse to many on here.

When rape is involved, then yes.

The age of consent in Spain is irrelevant really as I believe that they have rules against raping someone regardless of how old they are?

tauran_shammy · Yesterday, 11:47

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Originally Posted by vidalia

In the US, the UK or globally?

In any "western influenced" countries. Obviously not Muslim nations or Asia.

Idiotgirle · Yesterday, 11:54

Okay, if we go with Vidal's accusation that she was a hooker, why was it necessary for Polanski to drug her with pills and alcohol in order to have sex with her? Why didn't Polanski use the fact that she was paid for her services in his defence 30 years ago? Because she wasn't paid... she was assaulted.

Another tiresome attempt to portray the rapist as the victim and a 13 year old girl as the sexual predator. Sick.

tauran_shammy · Yesterday, 12:03

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Okay, if we go with Vidal's accusation that she was a hooker, why was it necessary for Polanski to drug her with pills and alcohol in order to have sex with her? Why didn't Polanski use the fact that she was paid for her services in his defence 30 years ago? Because she wasn't paid... she was assaulted.

Another tiresome attempt to portray the rapist as the victim and a 13 year old girl as the sexual predator. Sick.

Gotta agree with you there. This is just a case of someone wealthy and well connected not being able to escape from punishment for a crime they commited for a change.

vidalia · Yesterday, 12:08

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Originally Posted by tauran_shammy

In any "western influenced" countries. Obviously not Muslim nations or Asia.

What about News International?

tauran_shammy · Yesterday, 12:13

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What about News International?

I learnt my lesson last week by getting a temp ban for saying something that offended someone. Digital spy is not the place for a fair two sided debate on this kind of thing because theres always someone who presses the report button on the flimsiest excuse.
Sorry but I'm not getting drawn into this issue further.

vidalia · Yesterday, 12:15

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Originally Posted by tauran_shammy

I learnt my lesson last week by getting a temp ban for saying something that offended someone. Digital spy is not the place for a fair two sided debate on this kind of thing because theres always someone who presses the report button on the flimsiest excuse.
Sorry but I'm not getting drawn into this issue further.

Fair enough

tauran_shammy · Yesterday, 12:16

If people want to do the research themselves regarding who owns and controls our media I say go ahead and draw your own conclusions.

vidalia · Yesterday, 12:19

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Originally Posted by tauran_shammy

If people want to do the research themselves regarding who owns and controls our media I say go ahead and draw your own conclusions.

Thank you for that helpful information.

01-11-2009, 21:25	#26
JonJonB Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,418	Nice dodge there.

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lea_uk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ashington, Northumberland Services: Sky internet, Sky+, Freeview, Nintendo Wii, PS2, Sony Ericsson k800i Posts: 327	Hooker or not (I don't believe she was) she was still a kid and therefore a victim.

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i4u Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,461	So is Gore Vidal saying it's ok to rape hookers?

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ayrshireman Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,736	Gore Vidal. Novelist, screenwriter, senile old fart.

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tauran_shammy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 967	I find it odd that he accuses the media of being anti-semitic when everybody knows Jews run the media.

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Glaston Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 274	So 13 is child abuse to many on here. Yet age of consent in Spain is 13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe The whole situation should be about the flight from justice rather than all the retro visits of moral outrage to what happened years ago.

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Idiotgirle Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: <------ Over there. Services: The Doctor... Doctor... Fun. Posts: 1,742	Okay, if we go with Vidal's accusation that she was a hooker, why was it necessary for Polanski to drug her with pills and alcohol in order to have sex with her? Why didn't Polanski use the fact that she was paid for her services in his defence 30 years ago? Because she wasn't paid... she was assaulted. Another tiresome attempt to portray the rapist as the victim and a 13 year old girl as the sexual predator. Sick.

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tauran_shammy Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 967	If people want to do the research themselves regarding who owns and controls our media I say go ahead and draw your own conclusions.