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Stephen Hawking Enters U.S. Health Care Debate


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- Oortcloud I'm a Fan of Oortcloud 5 fans permalink
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Stephen Hawking is the smartest man alive; and alive largely due to Socialized medicine. How many theories have been developed and discoveries facilitated by this man's intelligence over the past twenty years when he should have been (would have been) a victim of the private health care system "death panels" had he not been a US resident rather than a UK resident?

ALS is not even researched much in the US due to its scarcity (thank goodness for its rarity); there isn't enough money in developing a cure, in other words; should profit be the sole motivation for health care and research? Of course not; but it is in the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 09/08/2009
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WHEN PEOPLE ARE ASKED IF THEY WANT THE "PUBLIC OPTION" 43% SAY YES

WHEN PEOPLE ARE ASKED IF THEY WANT THE "PUBLIC CHOICE" 77% SAY YES

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY WERE ASKED IF THEY WANT A "MEDICARE CHOICE?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 09/07/2009
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 44 fans permalink
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But when people are asked if they support "the Obama health care plan," a majority say no.

But in reality THERE IS NO OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN. There is a mish-mash of proposed plans drifting around in Congress.

If there is no "Obama health care plan," why are a majority against it? Because they against what the right-wing screamers have TOLD THEM is the "Obama health care plan," complete with "death panels" and other imaginary horrors.

Obama has made a serious, probably fatal, strategic mistake: Instead of putting together his own plan, explaining it clearly to the public and using his still-considerable personal popularity and prestige to rally support for it before taking it to Congress, he uttered vague platitudes about "reform" and left it to Congress to work out the details. This allowed the Republicans to define "the Obama plan" and put him on the defensive before the game even began.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 09/08/2009
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37 Trillion Reasons 0BAMA/AXELROD /GIBBS/ EMANUEL ARE WRONG!

WE NEED STRONGEST PUBLIC OPTION = Medicare for ALL WHO want it and OPT OUT for those who DON’T!

HEALTH CARE COSTS = $37 TRILLION / 10 YEARS

Calculations (see table): ($5+$2.4)/2*10 = $37 Trillion

HEALTH CARE COSTS = THE #1 THREAT TO OUR FUTURE!

$2.4Trillion spent in 2008, 17% of OUR GDP
$3.1Trillion by 2012
$4.3Trillion by 2016
$5.0Trillion by 2018

And we are worried about $600 Billion, less than 2% or 1.6%! GIVE ME A BREAK!

The $1.3 Trillion in savings from non-emergency use of the ER will be saved by the States and Cities and therefore reduce funding from the Federal Government!
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[CURRENT 2008 Costs for 47 million uninsured= $87Billion =10 yr cost $870 Billion
2007 Medical uninsured bad debt=$25.4Billion, increased 9.5%/yr=10yr cost $433Billn

Adding $870 Billion+$443 Billion=$1.3 Trillion]
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100,000,000 people to ??? people in Medicare can negotiate "FAIR PRICING" for Health Care Services! Stops the FOR-PROFIT GOUGING!

Make #1 MAY0 C1inic the N0RM instead of the Exception! #37 USA Cuba Care!

Create Incentive for ER Doctors to convert to Family Practice Doctors!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 09/07/2009

Once again, the power of the "Liberal Media" is on full display! Try as I might, I can not find the suppressed footage of all the rioting in the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, etc. where the people are demanding the end of their particular health care systems and the immediate adoption of the American "private" system.
Who is silencing Beck and Hannity on this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 08/31/2009
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You've probably never been to Europe! The difference between Americans and Europeans is that Europeans usually get what they want from their governments. It's because they demand change, and once every 100 years, but everyday. Most Americans are too lazy to act on their convictions. I understand how those riots would impress you. But you have no knowledge of the European healthcare system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/05/2009
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I MEANT "NOT ONLY ONCE EVERY 100 YEARS"... SORRY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 09/05/2009
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 44 fans permalink
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I believe moto was being sarcastic.

It's very telling, I think, that NOT ONE country that has adopted "socialized medicine" has decided to scrap it in favor of a system like ours. If their systems are as horrible as the right wing makes them out to be, how do you explain that?

I've asked this question a dozen times and have NEVER gotten a serious answer from a conservative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 09/08/2009

As a US citizen who has lived in the UK for the last decade I can say that I have never seen, or heard of any type of rioting in the streets against healthcare. the British might complain about their NHS service and how it can be improved, but they also complain about the rain a lot. I have both private health insurance and NHS and I use NHS. I love the NHS. I've had two children under NHS, been to through the emergency system, made appointments on the day and got in to see my doctor a few hours later. NHS is fantastic. And the best thing is, the doctors are not arrogant. Or maybe the best thing is that I don't have to worry about my health. Or maybe the best thing is that my family's health is not dependent on a job. Or maybe its the lack of pre-existing conditions. Or maybe its the NHS direct phone service where if I am concerned about something such as a child's fever at 2AM, I can call this 24 hour line and speak to a nurse. That's pretty cool, too. Don''t believe the lies about the NHS. My personal experience with it has been nothing but postive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 09/08/2009
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I lived in Europe for three years. Most Europeans would love to have the quality of health care we get in America. Rationing, long delays for even basic tests and treatments and very low quality are the rule in Europe. President's Obama's fondest wishes for better care for all at lower cost will not make it so. Unicorns, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy all sound good, but are also just dreams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 09/09/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 75 fans permalink

Where in Europe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 09/11/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 75 fans permalink

*Giggling* You forgot Canada. As usual, darn it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 09/11/2009

I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis THIS YEAR. My injections cost over $2000 MONTHLY. Now that I have a PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, - will you, the PROTESTERS, PAY for the medicine I will NEED for the REST OF MY LIFE if I want to further my career at a different company?!!
Private insurance penalizes those with chronic health conditions!!! I pay taxes. Why should I not be able to get health insurance?!? If YOU will not help me pay for my lifelong medical condition, then you should keep your insurance as Obama has said SEVERAL TIMES, and I should be able to get help through the reform Obama is pushing.
YOU PROTESTERS are basically saying that anyone with a chronic condition has to stay at the job they currently are with. I shouldn't be punished into staying at my current job just because IF I LEAVE IT I WONT BE ABLE TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE NOW I HAVE A PRE-EXISTING CONDTION.
YOU PROTESTERS ARE SELFISH!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 08/29/2009
- Krisgi I'm a Fan of Krisgi 5 fans permalink

I am a US citizen and have lived in a European country with nationalized health care for the past two decades. I have been grateful every day for this and, of late, even more so given the precarious situation that so many Americans are living right now.

Call me silly, but I actually love the fact that my payments into the system help people conditions similar to yours. It makes me feel like I´m doing something productive for others -- something that we don´t often get to do in the hectic day-to-day.

"Selfish" is too lenient an adjective for those who turn their backs on their fellow citizens. But, then again, "disgusting" and "inhumane" are as well.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for you. Good luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 09/03/2009

I'm also a US citizen and have lived in the UK for the last 10 years. I completely agree with you! Not having a national health system is barbaric. Nothing less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 09/08/2009
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 44 fans permalink
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I am just infuriated by the goddamn senior citizens (columnist Fruma Harrop called them "greedy geezers") who denounce "socialized medicine" for anybody else but wouldn't give up one dime's worth of their own socialized medicine, aka Medicare.

BTW I'm only two years away from collecting Medicare myself, so not all us geezers are greedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 09/08/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 75 fans permalink

"Call me silly, but I actually love the fact that my payments into the system help people conditions similar to yours."

Not silly at all. I'm a long way from the highest tax level here in Canada, so I go in every couple of months to donate blood, and top up my contribution to the system, as it were. All blood used for transfusions here is donated, by the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 09/11/2009

I will confess that I have not been to a doctor in years. However, I do understand the position you have been put in (along with the rest of us).

It seems to me that the regulation of the insurance industry in the mid to late 40s or early 50s (my research can not provide a precise date) has led all of us into our current dilemma. Restricting coverage to a persons work (can't take it with you) and limiting it to an individual state has severely limited the commercial market. The solution seems to be to get the current regulation out of the way and allow insurance companies to provide plans nation wide that are "transportable". This may allow large groups in which to spread the costs of individuals like you and me.

The thought of government sponsored anything scares me. I would like to give one example of the results of a somewhat recent government department to support my view, and that is the Department of Energy. Brought to life in the energy crises of the 1970s, its mission "was" to free the united states from the dependency of foreign oil and other foreign resources. However, with a budget of $24B (my unverified estimate) it has totally failed in this mission.

Please, let us reform health care in our great country, but let us not go head long in lock step with the one story from the government, without consideration of other (and potentially better) options.

Thanks,

kev

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 09/05/2009

How old are you?

I suppose you will not need medicare when you are older either.

Name one proposal from the right that will work. And don't bother with the talking points about getting insurance from other states. That will not make any difference and will just open up the possibilities of more scams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 09/08/2009
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 44 fans permalink
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You can get a credit card issued by a bank in any state. Has this lowered interest rates on credit cards? Not that I've noticed.

Insurance companies, like all companies, are not philanthropic organizations. They are interested in maximizing their profits ... period. (Indeed, if they are publicly held corporations they are legally obligated to do this.) Maximizing profits means charging their customers as much as they can get and paying out as little as possible in return. Your supposed "reform" would not change that behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 09/08/2009
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