[-]Camp fairs coming up soon. Checked out the camps, they're all over-priced, all about sports, super competitive, and have no noteworthy philosphy. Where are the low-key, wholesome camp experience I had, where are those camps. My 8 yr old ds wants to go this summer, but I fo not want to send him to any of these campfair camps.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]OP: Well, I was more complaining about the sleepaway camps. He loved day camps as a kid, we did Yomi for a few years, then Oasis. Day camps there's quite a few options (and yet parents keep sending dc to Pierce, Rama, and Woodmont!), but there seems to be no wholesome sleepaway, at least not at camp fair in coming wks.
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[-]any jack & jill parents on? We had a really weird playdate there and just wondering if you like the school.
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]we actually LOVED the school during our interview and playdate this year! it's probably our FC, though we haven't really talked it through yet. but i can see Jean Leshaw probably isn't everyone's "type" ... she seems like a very strong personality, but we did happen to click with her and like her style (and her school, from what we've been able to see).
[ Reply | Options ]I'm a J&J parent, and I've absolutely loved the school (been there many years with my two kids). I'm a huge Jean fan, though I agree with the poster above who says that she isn't necessarily a personality match with everyone. However, she runs a great little school ... J&J is creative, warm, community-minded, down-to-earth, challenging, compassionate. No clue why she would have left in the middle of your playdate (and I agree, it's kind of rude) because she's VERY hands-on about admissions ... it's very out of character, actually.
[ Reply | Options ]op: thanks for your response. I thought she seemed good during our interview but the playdate was just odd. Good to hear you're happy there. Can I ask, are there many Jewish families there? We're Jewish, and Jean made a big deal about asking if we'd feel comfortable and we ended up talking with her for a while about religion, etc. I wonder how much diversity there is there.
[ Reply | Options ]Our experience a couple of years ago too. She is strange and unreadable. We had our son in their playgroup for an entire year, went through the admissions process, playdates and so on. Always had great vibes. Then nothing. Didn't even get wait listed. I have to admit, though you're not supposed to, I took it really personally. We have a second son who we are starting to look at schools for and aren't even applying there. No thanks. Baaaaad feeling.
[ Reply | Options ]Not. Much. It's kind of weird. A big deal is made of its being "non sectarian". Yeah. Right.
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its temp elsewehre but moving back. i heard from an education consultant i met at a bday party. she is in all the schools working with admin. she raved. i mention it because OP asked about 6 so assumed she is uptown.
[ Reply | Options ]P.S. 59 is FABULOUS and has the best early childhood teachers in any public school in Manhattan
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had alot of good features. i would not say lovely...but i see why people like it. for us, way too chaotic, loud, nutty
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people loitering in the stairwells, so many parents in the school hallways and classrooms, middle school kids yelling from the windows, like prisoners...
[ Reply | Options ]I have to defend 3 - we go there. It does get messier when you let parents into the school, but I like that. Not fond of the middle school but they do keep them pretty separate. We chose three because dc is very advanced in some ways and at grade level in others. I thought 3 would be better at dealing with that and we've been very happy. I think it's designed to be more child oriented than adult oriented.
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or: You should go where you feel is right for you. DH liked 41 better because it felt like his suburban elem. I liked 3 better but the deciding factors were 1) our psd's recommendation that 3 would be much better for our particular child, 2) the teachers like 3 and stay there and 3)It's a much smaller school. The academics at 3 are certainly as good as 41. DC is being challenged, scored 4s and is very happy so they must be doing something right. And as far as my referring to 3 as being child oriented that's even in the hand book. That's why they allow controlled noise and skipping in the halls. Adult oriented means a more controlled environment. Not necessarily a bad thing for some people. There are still plenty of rules at 3 btw....
[ Reply | Options ]OK. Please go to 41. I'm sure you'll be very happy there. It's a great school. Standardized testing is not the best measure but it's what we have, and it is used to determine what middle school you go to. Dc is still challenged and happy after 5+years there. That's what's really important to me.
[ Reply | Options ]Didn't you just state that the tests were "proof of nothing?" Or are you another poster? I don't think 41 has necessarily more academic rigor than 3, at least that's not what I've heard from the parents who have had kids at both. I do think that the teachers vary in their approaches at 3. Is that not true at 41? Teachers do have a lot of autonomy which is why many love it. There are definitely some with higher academic expectations than others.
[ Reply | Options ]Back at it, eh? And I know people who have left 41 for 3. Are we done now? They are both good schools we're luck to have the choice. Most kids do fine at either I think. I'm still happy with my choice 5 years later and I have no worries that my dc would have been "better prepared" for ms if dc had attended 41. I don't think there's been a comprehensive study. Both schools have many bright kids and good teachers. I'm sure both have some less bright kids and some not so great teachers also. Any prospective family need to talk to many people and tour before they decide to figure out what would be the best match for them. And good night.
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i have to agree. i love the idea of progressive education, of letting dcs learn through play and not getting bogged down with rules and discipline, but the reality is not pretty! and parents i know whose dcs are older are not so happy with the education dcs got there. but to each her own!
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can someone tell me about TAG? i did not go to open house. if dc tests for citywide, would you suggest this? looked at website and it had no info
[ Reply | Options ]if you don't have a good zoned option or district-wide. otherwise not worth it imho.
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anderson, definitely. it has a real track record. nest, not so much and i think it is an acquired taste. i personally think there are many schools just as good without the hassle of the commute and the excessive rigor, but many think it is the second-best in the city.
[ Reply | Options ]hmmmm. interesting. if dc got top score, would you put down #! Anderson, TAG as 2nd choice over NEST? people looove their NEST. impossible to get into now, so we hear.
[ Reply | Options ]NP: I have heard very, very positive things about the education at NEST. It might not have the track record of Anderson, but if it's closer to where you live, you should strongly consider it.
[ Reply | Options ]i think it's right for the right dc. if your dc is very focussed, task-oriented, etc., choose nest. otherwise you will be unhappy.
[ Reply | Options ]what if they need "structure" is better when engaged and goes off to la la land during free or choice time?
[ Reply | Options ]nest really doesn't tolerate going off into la-la land from what i understand. but i have no first-hand experience.
[ Reply | Options ]I know kids who are happy there but from what I know and what you say about your child I don't think it would be a good fit. Previous poster who said "dc's who are very focused and task-oriented" has it right. You can send your child to someplace that has structure but you don't want to grind him down. I think Nest while good for some kids is certainly not for all no matter how bright.
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you'll need a 99 to get into either a or n (high 99 for a). for tag you will only need a 90. so better to rank a, n, tag imo.
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ps9, ps87, msc, anderson. all our favorite picks for this year, not necessarily in that order
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I've returned to visit 173 since (perhaps) you posted it last year as a good school. I'm the Heights native who always remarks that this school isn't somewhere I send my kids, nor recommend to anyone. I'm glad there are people committed and working to make it better but it's nowhere NEAR commendable.
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that school seems to have problems these days. g&t being phased out, grumbling by some parents about the school in general, not great doe report card.
[ Reply | Options ]search "116 intimates" and in the first post someone listed the actual rankings by math scores (which you can easily look up and compare yourself on insideschools, but I'm not that motivated). You can see that 6 definitely is impressive as the only non G&T (though of course it started as a G&T to get that impressive). But 116 is right behind 6 and that's counting anderson and LL.
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I really liked 183.Check it out on insideschools. http://insideschools.org/index12.php?fs=54&str=P.S.%20183%20Robert%20Louis%20Stevenso...&formtype=name
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oh, then i dont really know. do you belong to a synagogue? is she in public or private?
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i would try partners in torah. they are an amazing organization that pairs people wanting to learn hebrew or other jewish subjects with volunteers who will tutor them 1x wk. i dont know if they work with kids as well, but would imagine they might! i know many people who've gotten matched up with them, and loved the experience. google it, if you cant find, i'll look up for you.
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[-]What are the odds I can find a nanny to work 2-7 or 1-6 instead of all day? Does anyone have this arrangement?
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]i can help you. i work for a boy i drop off at school at 1:30. i have been a nanny for 8 years & have excellnt refs. i am also a college grad & live on upw: nyc1sitter@hotmail.com
[ Reply | Options ]Hi my name is Abigail and I am availble to work for the times you have mentioned. I have 5 years experience working with children of all age groups. I am college educated and I have excellent references. Please email me at courtneyabigail@gmail.com for further information. Thanks
[ Reply | Options ]Thank you both. I am not looking until possibly September but it is good to know there are possibilities. What would a fair salary be for these hours? I was thinking $375/week for one 4 year old child with the hope that the person would be available to work the entire day if school was closed or DC was (mildly) sick. Does that seem reasonable?
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[-]depressed, out of work lawyer here, doubting all the choices I made that put me in this situation. 7 years ago, when I had my first child, I stepped off the partnership track and starting doing p/t work from home, 2 days a week. A few years ago, when my kids were a little older, I started "ramping up" again. Last year I took a job in a large firm, 3 days a week, in a field that I hoped would eventually lead to an in-house position. But then the economy tanked, my job ended, and I find myself virtually unemployable. I was just cleaning out some old files and found my tax returns pre-children. I had forgotten how much money I used to make! We can't afford our apartment if I don't eventually find work. I don't need the amount of money I...
65 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Please understand that it is a really bad time for everyone and no one saw this coming (okay, John Paulson maybe...). I know of FT lawyers that can't find new jobs, people that left firms for investment banks that are getting laid off, and a few women that think being PT at a firm SAVED their jobs. Slowing down to be with your kids and strategizing on how to get an in-house job was really thought out and made a lot of sense.
[ Reply | Options ]Thanks. At the time it really did seem like a good plan! I just hope we can pay our bills until the economy picks up. I think I will need to be open to any kind of job, even a 60 hour a week one, when the economy picks up, and that sucks, but at least I had this time with my kids.
[ Reply | Options ]I hear you and I am also trying to enjoy my kids, be thankful DH currently is working, and toying with the idea of leaving the city (I LOVE it) for somewhere cheaper outside the city. I was laid off from a 4 day a week job and I am pregnant. We have some savings but it's just so ugly out there!
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i stayed in the legal field, but ot at a big firm. it kills me to think of my earning potential some days too. i make about what a 2d year associate at biglaw makes. they know nothing and can do nothing.
[ Reply | Options ]OP here -- I would be thrilled to get a job paying what a 2nd year makes -- they make so much more now than when I was in it full-time, even first years make more than I made (at a big firm) when I left after 6 years! But there are just no jobs right now. There is nothing to even apply for. It's really scary out there!
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welcome to the new world. I left a successful architecture firm to take off 18 months with my son. The week I was making plans to return, the company lost it three top clients and has since has two rounds of layoffs. You can't blame your decisions, everyone is in a similar boat after making diverse decisions.
[ Reply | Options ]How about looking for a job with Lexis or Thomson Reuters? They love to hire JDs and you can do okay if the position is commission based.
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Count your blessings...you're much better off then people in finance that have been let go! Even if only being paid $30 an hour for document review, that's better than nothing!
[ Reply | Options ]actually, after paying taxes, baby sitter, and the general cost of working (dry cleaning, transportation, convenience meals etc.) it doesn't make sense to take a job like that. And if I did, I couldn't put it on my resume b/c it would hurt my chances of getting a regular associate job.
[ Reply | Options ]Sitting on your ass and being out of work is better for the resume than doing honest legal work?
[ Reply | Options ]legal head hunter here -- she is right. Doc review attornies are a whole separate group and once you have done that work, firms won't touch you for a regular associate job. Taking those jobs does make you unemployable for the type of work it sounds like this mom used to do.
[ Reply | Options ]That's just stupid. Honest work is honest work -- we all have to make a living. Would it be better for the law resume for her to be a hooker?
[ Reply | Options ]it may be stupid, but it's reality. a lot of the thinking of hiring partners at law firms is stupid, imho.
[ Reply | Options ]NP: I don't think it's unique to law either. Taking a job that's way below your experience and ability level will hurt your career prospects, even if the very reasonable explanation for you taking it was that you were desperate for cash.
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Why does it make you "unemployable"? Is it unethical work? Is it like how reporting for the National Enquirer will blackball you from ever working for the "legitimate" media? Or is it that somehow doing that kind of law work makes all of your previous law experience and education somehow leak out of your ass?
[ Reply | Options ]Those who do the hiring view it as work for people who just aren't very bright. It is just impossible to get them to see that there are varying reasons people chose to take these jobs. Most firms won't even look at the resume of someone who did temp work at all, even if it's high end temp work. If they see doc review on the resume, there isn't a chance in hell they will interview this mom. Honestly, in this economy, they won't look at the resume of anyone who took any time off at all, so this mom is totally screwed until the economy takes a drastic upturn.
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They certainly will not look at such a resume when it is presented to them by a headhunter who charges them a hefty amount and therefore should deliver candidates with spotless resumes. If she needs money, then she needs money. When this economic storm passes, she may not be able to avail herself of a headhunter's services, but she can network like hell, using her contacts from big firm days in order to get herself back into that life.
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OP posted that she is depressed about basically tanking her career and your advice is to take a job that is below the type of job she had over a decade ago when she graduated law school? Don't you think that will just make her more depressed?
[ Reply | Options ]I'm sorry, if I were on the verge of not being able to afford my apartment, I would take a job as a barista at Starbuck's if I had to! In this economy, I think people should give a little on their sense of entitlement. Eventually she might be forced to!
[ Reply | Options ]OP here -- if I take a job that won't leave me any money after paying taxes and babysitter, it won't help me keep my apartment. I will lose my apartment and never see my kids. I honestly don't see how that helps. If that's the only job I can get, we'll move to the burbs. Which is fine, btw. But it doesn't stop me from being depressed that I could easily be making $300K+ if I hadn't make the choices I made. Taking a job paying $60K, which is $40K after taxes, and then paying a nanny $32K just doesn't make any economic sense to me.
[ Reply | Options ]Oh boo hoo. I could be crying about not carrying through with my dream of being a baseball player making $35 million. But we make choices. Get over it.
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well, on YB MOM a lot of women talking about the benefits of the choices I made and about how even if I had stayed the course I may well find my self out of work now any way and how there aren't jobs even for those with perfect credentials. No one said take a really crappy job that won't pay the mortgage anyway, which, I'm sorry, is just really bad career advice.
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Unless you actually were a pro ball player, it's not the same as the OPs situation at all.
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Love you. And by the way, what ARE you looking for OP? You got fairly whiny down here, comparing us to YB and all. If you got such great advice already, seems you're just looking to vent. Kind of annoying when it is cloaked as something different, and when you are SO much better off than 99.9% if the world.
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Don't look back with regret, for you do not know what would have happened if you stayed on the partnership track in your old firm. What percentage of folks made partner and of that percentage, how many were female? Might want to downsize or start thinking about downsizing and/or changing your career altogether. Great book out there, "What you CAN do with a law degree," which will give you some ideas on how to use your skills as a lawyer in other avenues of work. And, if you can swing it financially, think about a career with the feds as an attorney, where the starting salaries are somewhat higher than state or local government, benefits greater, and salary increases at a steady pace. And, as many folks here have said, do what you can ...
[ Reply | Options ]I'm a govt lawyer, and I realize that these jobs are hard to get, but is there any way that you could position yourself for one? Look at where the fed govt is putting its money. If you have any kind of financial-services related expertise, maybe you could aggressively seek out those opportunities?
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[-]Here's an interesting article I came across called Challanging the Culture of Affluence. It gives one something to think about in these changing times. http://www.nais.org/publications/ismagazinearticle.cfm?ItemNumber=150274
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[-]So I've been reading up on advice on how to prepare your toddler for a new baby. I read that you should show your toddler pics of them as babies to get them to understand that they were once babies and that they needed special attention. My DS who is 2yrs and 3 mos hates looking at these pics. I don't think he understands that these pics are of him and, when he sees a pic of me holding him, he seems to get upset. Anyone else have that problem? If so, did you just stop showing him his baby pics.
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]There really is no way to prepare a 2 year old for a sibling in my opinion. There are some nice books for kids about to have siblings. And obviously you're talking about it. But other than that it's too big a concept for them to grasp. They don't even understand things happening in the future yet.
[ Reply | Options ]I never did anything, barely mentioned a new baby to dd. She had no trouble adapting
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[-]WWYD? I am Jewish, raising my son in the Jewish faith (he goes to a Hebrew pre-K). His nanny, a devout Christian is an excellent caregiver and has been with us two years. My ds was singing a Jesus song this morning, and I almost had a heart attack. I do not know how to approach this with her, as she has a right to sing whatever she wants, and I don't want to make her fell bad or wrong, but I don't want her teaching my son about Christ, thank you.
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What "Jesus" song? My Christian kid knows more "jewish" songs than some of our friends who keep kosher. It's New York!
[ Reply | Options ]something with violins? I don't know, I just heard Jesus come out of his mouth and that was it for me,
[ Reply | Options ]jesus and violins? ok, now i know you're just pulling our leg. nice try, cnet slob. aren't there some cool ranch doritos you need to rip into right about now?
[ Reply | Options ]no, I swear, he was saying, "vavavavav and then jesus" and I asked "wgat did you say" he said "the violins" and then I said "what came after that" and he said "jesus"
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that's exactly my conflict. I don't want to shelter him. I want him to be exposed to various cultures and religions, but I also want him to develop a strong identity with his heritage, and at this age, I don't want him becoming confused.
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I know that in his mind it is no different than singing "Old McDonald," but according to our religion, it isn't kosher, so to speak. but then, I've done other things that aren't kosher - I was hoping he'd have a clean start.
[ Reply | Options ]you sound just plain stupid. every year, my dc comes home singing the dreidel song. we are christian, but like that he gets exposure to other cultures/religions. I would never say "we don't believe what jewish people believe, and we don't believe in dreidels or sing jewish songs" You are just too feaky about all this. Religion is one thing. stupid interpretations of religious ideas is another.
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I don't think the fact that his baby sitter is a different religion than his family will confuse him. May I jump to a conclusion and guess she may be a different race too?
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Nothing wrong with his learning about Jesus. Jesus was indeed a great man with a great following who existed. The difference is that "we don't believe he was the savior", or something like that "while some people do". No big deal here! Good chance to begin enlightening him about differences.
[ Reply | Options ]that's pretty much what I said to him. that every one believes in different things, and we don't believe in jesus, and we don't sing jesus songs in our home.
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[ Reply | Options ]ITA. I was upset at first that the only holiday song DD seemed to have learned at preschool was "Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel, I made it out of clay . . ." (we're Christians). But after much thought, I decided to chalk it up to living in NYC -- we all have to learn to expose our kids to different cultures/faiths, while still instilling our own.
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Oh dear Lord. Don't you think that there is an innocent explanation here, that nanny was singing the song in the presence of your son, while performing her job duties, and he naturally picked up on it? Sheesh. I highly doubt that this is evidence of your nanny prosletyzing.
[ Reply | Options ]I am an educator. I know that a song needs to be repeated for a 3yo to pick it up. maybe not proselytizing, but he doesn't need to be exposed to that at home.
[ Reply | Options ]You are clearly very threatened by this. I am raising my dd Catholic, and yet she attended Jewish preschool. There was never any confusion that I could discern. When she asked if we could celebrate Passover, I just simply explained that we're not Jewish so we don't celebrate that, but it sure looks like a nice holiday, doesn't it? You really need to relax a little, and have some faith in your own ability to raise your dc.
[ Reply | Options ]you are right - I am threatened by it for some reason (that will be a conversation for my therapist, not UB. thanks for the advice. I do need to have more faith in myself.
[ Reply | Options ]Let me clarify: I can't really say that my dd was not confused. Maybe she was. The point I was trying to make was that she was able to somehow live with the inconsistency (her preschool had Jewish themes, yet occasionally when she asked about why we as a family didn't celebrate those holidays, I told her flatly that we're not Jewish). I think kids are capable of mroe than we give them credit for. At a young age, I just don't think it's an issue. When they're older, then that's a different situation and you would handle it differently.
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I don't think it's a big deal. My kid is obsessed with Hanukah and obviously I can't even spell it. One of the other Moms at her preschool came in over the holidays and did a Hanukah presentation and that really stuck! FWIW, they invite any/everyone to come in and present on various stuff. I promised her I would ask my jewish friends if we could come over to their houses during Hanukah for a "Hanukah Party" - her words.
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[-]DH told me that he does not want to keep putting money into his pension. I told him that he should continue, and that I am continuing, despite the paper losses in the last year. (FWIW, DH was a freelancer for several years, and during that time did not save a dime toward retirement, so he's already behind.) What are you all doing with your retirement accounts? Leaving alone? Ceasing contributions?
20 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Are you talking about a real PENSION, or just an IRA? There's a huge difference, and most of the time the employer funds the pension, not the employee, so it's not money out of your pocket.
[ Reply | Options ]^^^Or in my case, the employers I work for (I'm freelance) fund my UNION pension.
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[ Reply | Options ]OP: The issue is not whether we can afford it. The issue is DH is highly risk averse apparently. I personally am comfortable with the risk because I don't plan on needing this money for 27-35 yrs from now.
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NP: not true. $52MM was lost due to Madoff's handling of funds for 2 government pension plans (fairfield ct): http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN1552227920081216
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very few employers offer a traditional pension plan anymore - most companies offer a 401k or other profit sharing plan. sure, inflation erodes the value of savings which is why it needs to be invested and not just saved, but if you don't save for retirement, what do you live on when you aren't working any more?
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Here's some information: http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/retirement/typesofplans.htm
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np--It may be a 403-B (tax-advantaged savings plan for non-profits). Few, if any, non-profits can offer pensions outside of affiliated union pension plans (and the employer pays into this fund, as above poster notes). You really should find out. I work in a non-profit and am vested in a defined benefits pension plan through my union.
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[-]Entrepreneurial moms: I am registering a domain name for a new start-up. Any thoughts on which registrar to choose? I'm thinking Godaddy or NetworkSolutions? Any other?
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[-]We're about to sign on a new lease tomorrow - zoned for PS 11...still have time to back out. What do you know about the school? Thanks.
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]don't do it unless you are 100% sure dc will test into g&t. signed, mom who lived in chelsea for a dozen years.
[ Reply | Options ]I'm not sure he'll get in G&T. Is the school that bad? The apartment is great, reasonable and on the same block as the school; I heard good things about PS11 but still not 100% sure on it .... now I'm freaked out
[ Reply | Options ]it's not a good school. the principal is great, as is the parent coordinator, and it may well get better, but there's a reason the hardware stores in the neighborhood locked up their box cutters after they noticed they would all be missing at 3:30 on weekday afternoons. there's also a reason why every parent in the neighborhood got a variance to go to 3 or 41 until that well dried up.
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[-]Anybody experience a miscarriage AFTER having a confirmed heartbeat? I hear miscarriages rarely happen after a confirmed heartbeat - is that true?
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Okay, that's what my doc told me yesterday. I'm 7.5 weeks and had my first ultrasound yesterday and the heartbeat was 155 (he said they like it to be higher than 100). So perhaps I can relax a bit now? I was initially told that my miscarriage rate was 30% so I've been a bit stressed!
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If an ultrasound reveals that the baby has a heartbeat, the odds of miscarriage drop drastically. If a baby's heartbeat is detected on the ultrasound, the risk of miscarriage drops to 4.5% for moms younger than 36. Risk of miscarriage after finding a heartbeat is 10% for moms 36-39 years old and 29% for women 40 or older. Women with a history of recurrent pregnancy loss have a 22% risk of miscarriage across ages.
[ Reply | Options ]I am sad to say I did have a m/c after seeing hb on ultrasound (saw hb around 7 1/2 weeks, found out I had a m/c at 8 weeks -- I was switching drs so seriously only days after I saw hb we found out about the loss. I do think it is very unusual, as in less than 6 or 5%? But yeah, it does happen. I felt much more confident in my next pregnancy after about week 13, but that is me. Sounds like you're okay though and GL!!!
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[-]Okay, did anyone abstain from sex during the first trimester?
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